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Release Date: November 15th, 2013​
Playstation 4: $399​
Playstation Camera: $59.99​
Dualshock 4 Controller (Black, Red and Blue): $59.99​
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Playstation Plus:​
  • Dust: An Elysian Tail (Coming 10/7)
  • Spelunky (Coming 10/7)
  • Driveclub: PS+ Edition (Coming 10/7)
  • Pix the Cat (Coming 10/7)
  • Velocity 2X (Last Chance: Leaves 10/7)
  • Sportsfriends (Last Chance: Leaves 10/7)
Former Playstation Plus:

Recent Releases:

  • Tomb Raider: Definitive Edition (1/28/14), IGN Review 9.1
  • The Lego Movie Video Game (2/7/14)
Released Games:
  • Angry Birds: Star Wars
  • Assassin's Creeed IV: Black Flag
  • Backgammon Blitz
  • Battlefield 4
  • Blacklight: Retribution
  • Call of Duty: Ghosts
  • Contrast
  • DC Universe Online
  • Doki-Doki Universe
  • Don't Starve
  • Escape Plan
  • FIFA 14
  • flOw
  • flower
  • Injustice: Gods Among Us (Ultimate Edition)
  • Just Dance 2014
  • Killzone: Shadowfall
  • Knack
  • LEGO Marvel Super Heroes
  • Madden NFL 25
  • NBA 2K14
  • NBA Live 14
  • Need for Speed: Rivals
  • Putty Squad
  • Resogun
  • Skylanders: Swapforce
  • Sound Shapes
  • Super Motherload
  • The Pinball Arcade
  • Tiny Brains
  • Tomb Raider: Definitive Edition
  • Trine 2: Complete Story
  • War Thunder
  • Warframe
  • ZEN Pinball 2

Upcoming Releases:
  • Rayman Legends (2/25/14)
  • Thief (2/25/14)
  • Infamous: Second Son (3/2014)
  • Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes (3/2014)
  • Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn (4/18/14)
  • Elder Scrolls Online (June 2014)
  • Destiny (9/9/14)
  • DriveClub (Spring 2014)
  • MLB 14: The Show
  • Dying Light (2014)
  • Watchdogs (2014)
  • The Crew (2014)
  • Minecraft (2014)
  • Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain
  • The Order: 1886
  • Wolfenstein: New Order
  • The Evil Within
  • Uncharted
  • UFC
  • Kingdom Hearts 3
  • Mad Max
  • Final Fantasy XV
  • The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
  • The Amazing Spider-Man 2
  • Tom Clancy's: The Division
  • Mighty No 9

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Release Date: November 15th, 2013
Playstation 4: $399​
Playstation Camera: $59.99​
Dualshock 4 Controller (Black, Red and Blue): $59.99​
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Playstation Plus Games for November:​
  • Contrast
  • ResoGun
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Retail Launch Titles:​
  • NBA 2K14
  • Call of Duty: Ghosts (Standard Edition, Hardened Edition, Prestige Edition) 
  • Skylanders Swap Force
  • Need for Speed: Rivals
  • Battlefield 4
  • Madden 25
  • FIFA 14
  • NBA Live
  • Killzone: Shadow Fall
  • Knack
  • Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag
  • Just Dance 2014
  • Lego Marvel Superheroes
Digital Launch Titles​
  • Basement Crawl
  • Pool Nation Extreme
  • Contrast
  • Warframe
  • Pinball Arcade
  • War Thunder
  • N++
  • Minecraft
  • DC Universe
  • Planetside 2
  • ResoGun
  • Flower
  • Doki-Doki Universe
  • Hohokum
  • Tiny Brains
  • Super Motherload
  • Blacklight
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PS4 Games @ Pax Prime​
  • Killzone: Shadow Fall
  • inFAMOUS Second Son
  • #DRIVECLUB
  • Knack
  • Octodad: Dadliest Catch
  • Hohokum
  • Warframe
  • Contrast
  • Blacklight: Retribution
  • Res0gun
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Gamescom 2013​
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Full Gamescom 2013 Press Conference (1 hr 54 mins)​
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http://youtu.be/NCkC6NGkS0Y​
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Full Gamescom 2013 QA ( 1 hr 14 mins)​
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http://youtu.be/BOA7Cx2yNyg​
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Playstation 4 UI (Gamescom)​
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http://youtu.be/EaPoLJyDZmM​
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Knack Gamescom Trailer​
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http://youtu.be/aNiG9osRHc4​
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N++ Gamescom Trailer​
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http://youtu.be/-qECwcwKy68​
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Killzone Shadowfall Gamescom Multiplayer Trailer​
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http://youtu.be/w3F7GFs0i5A​
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Helldivers Gamescom Trailer​
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http://youtu.be/Y6C_gxlDpPE​
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inFAMOUS Second Son Gamescom Trailer​
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http://youtu.be/o-B40rzJHOY​
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Watchdogs Gamescom Trailer​
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http://youtu.be/aybTvTi5AiE​
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Driveclub Pre-Order Trailers​
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http://youtu.be/JVDw12pn75Y​
http://youtu.be/GafoIbvfN0I​
http://youtu.be/UHF-xV3juZU​
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Full E3 2013 Press Conference (2 hrs 45 mins)​
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http://youtu.be/DmoZAPDV3ew​
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E3 2013 PS4 Trailers​
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http://youtu.be/ezTaAExI-FU​
http://youtu.be/MlNfJvFnzc8​
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http://youtu.be/zsdcRgY4U8E​
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http://youtu.be/qGtBr4Dyuos​
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PlayStation 4 Preliminary Specs​
Main Processor​
  • Single-chip custom processor
  • CPU : x86-64 AMD “Jaguar”, 8 cores
GPU

  • 1.84 TFLOPS, AMD next-generation Radeon™ based graphics engine
Memory
 

  • GDDR5 8GB
Hard Disk Drive

  • Built-in
Optical Drive (read only)​



  • BD 6xCAV
  • DVD 8xCAV
I/O

  • Super-Speed USB (USB 3.0) 、AUX
Communication

  • Ethernet (10BASE-T, 100BASE-TX, 1000BASE-T)
  • IEEE 802.11 b/g/n
  • Bluetooth® 2.1 (EDR)
AV Output

  • HDMI
  • Analog-AV out
  • Digital Output (optical)

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DualShock 4 (Black, Red, Blue)​
 

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PlayStation Eye​
 

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Live Demo​

 

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PlayStation Meeting 2013 Trailers​

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fMRYPZ4Jek

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hjx2Sd52U4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7QhUL8NUK4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUZJTjns6Qg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHSeyPl--Fw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q59tHyhDMkI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Brd0F7rlXCI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u541wKmf0UU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9UmHm9HA3c

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PlayStation Evolution Promos​

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-3GMHIgR-U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7w5i_YCFmQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hvcps5dFzfc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XF2pu-4rXc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_W1JQ5ubWQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKi7qlDdXxs
 

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Guess that would make some of the rumors true about announcing it before E3 so theres more focus on it once e3 arrives.

But damn if it doesnt seem like a random date to do it so far ahead of e3. I was thinking maybe the next iteration of Home...
 
HYPE! I imagine we'll just get some very vague details but this is awesome regardless. It pretty much confirms it's coming this year, at least in my head. I don't think they'd have an announcement this soon but not release until 2014. People would be pretty upset I think.

Your move MS. Better make it count.
 
[quote name='ShockandAww']HYPE! I imagine we'll just get some very vague details but this is awesome regardless. It pretty much confirms it's coming this year, at least in my head. I don't think they'd have an announcement this soon but not release until 2014. People would be pretty upset I think.

Your move MS. Better make it count.[/QUOTE]
These are supposed to be Apple type events. There's going to be consoles there and tech demos. Expect game announcements at E3 though.
 
So they announce it to investors in February, details leak, unofficial specs are released (that are pretty much official...) and Sony says nothing from Feb 20th - E3. Then they reveal a playable version on the floor at E3 plus launch games. Then a Summer full of PS4 hype before a Fall release.

Either way, Sony NEEDS to come out before MS. I honestly think a September release would be perfect. It gives the system 1-2 months before MS releases, which is just enough time for the initial hype to die down before Sony and retailers start pushing holiday bundles.
 
[quote name='SynGamer']So they announce it to investors in February, details leak, unofficial specs are released (that are pretty much official...) and Sony says nothing from Feb 20th - E3. Then they reveal a playable version on the floor at E3 plus launch games. Then a Summer full of PS4 hype before a Fall release.

Either way, Sony NEEDS to come out before MS. I honestly think a September release would be perfect. It gives the system 1-2 months before MS releases, which is just enough time for the initial hype to die down before Sony and retailers start pushing holiday bundles.[/QUOTE]
It's not just investors. It's the press. The press is there because it's a real full fledged announcement. And yes, I think they launch before the Xbox.
 
[quote name='Blaster man']It's not just investors. It's the press. The press is there because it's a real full fledged announcement. And yes, I think they launch before the Xbox.[/QUOTE]

Ah, I thought it was just investors. Well, if that's the case, it makes me wonder if Sony will actually show them the console itself, or just specs, pricing, cover art templates, etc.?

It would only be February 20th, they cant' give away too much information...unless they intend to have a Summer launch?! I could only imagine a Summer launch (July?). Show it off over the next few months. Have playable units at E3. And then announce that it will go on sale sometime in July or August for (hopefully) $499 or less. Considering the rumored specs, I think they could sell it for $499 (with 1 game perhaps?) and the PSEye 2.0 (
 
[quote name='SynGamer']Ah, I thought it was just investors. Well, if that's the case, it makes me wonder if Sony will actually show them the console itself, or just specs, pricing, cover art templates, etc.?

It would only be February 20th, they cant' give away too much information...unless they intend to have a Summer launch?! I could only imagine a Summer launch (July?). Show it off over the next few months. Have playable units at E3. And then announce that it will go on sale sometime in July or August for (hopefully) $499 or less. Considering the rumored specs, I think they could sell it for $499 (with 1 game perhaps?) and the PSEye 2.0 (
 
[quote name='SynGamer']Ah, I thought it was just investors. Well, if that's the case, it makes me wonder if Sony will actually show them the console itself, or just specs, pricing, cover art templates, etc.?

It would only be February 20th, they cant' give away too much information...unless they intend to have a Summer launch?! I could only imagine a Summer launch (July?). Show it off over the next few months. Have playable units at E3. And then announce that it will go on sale sometime in July or August for (hopefully) $499 or less. Considering the rumored specs, I think they could sell it for $499 (with 1 game perhaps?) and the PSEye 2.0 (
 
If they leave out BC, they'd better have something awesome in the launch lineup.

If the stars align, they might intercept my intent to purchase the Wii U this holiday season. It's unlikely that Microsoft could. They've never had exclusives I care about.

Can't wait to find out more.
 
So the WSJ is confirming that Sony will announce the PS4 on the 20th and that Sony will not ditch the disk drive like previously stated. They also confirmed that it will release later this year. Anxious to see Microsoft's move now.

Exciting stuff for sure.
 
All the momentum is on Sony's side right now it's ridiculous. I'm usually mad at Sony for being stupid, but lately it's been mostly MS.

Absolutely killer PS3 exclusives (Ni No Kuni, God Of War, Last Of Us) Rumors of the PS4 being more powerful, people complaining very vocally about MS and it's pay for play and pay walls, and now Sony beating MS to the next gen announcement...

Frankly being more of a Sony fan I'm glad but I really hope MS sees how things are going and at least makes things like online play and Netflix free from Gold (and not just for 3 days :roll: ). They've almost got to imo if Sony keeps their own model of free to play and such the same.
 
[quote name='ID2006']If they leave out BC, they'd better have something awesome in the launch lineup.

If the stars align, they might intercept my intent to purchase the Wii U this holiday season. It's unlikely that Microsoft could. They've never had exclusives I care about.

Can't wait to find out more.[/QUOTE]

No chance of BC since the hardware is so different.
 
Console announcement for sure! also hopefully price cut announcements for ps3 and vita. That would be awesome!

they need to release it before september to get ahead on sales before the holiday season begins.
 
The future, Conan?

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With Playstation profits nowhere to be found, Sony's debt downgraded to junk status and the company selling off their New York headquarters, that PS4 better be something. Where's fuckedCompany when you need them? Oh, right, that asshole couldn't make any money either.
 
[quote name='ShockandAww']HYPE! I imagine we'll just get some very vague details but this is awesome regardless. It pretty much confirms it's coming this year, at least in my head. I don't think they'd have an announcement this soon but not release until 2014. People would be pretty upset I think.

Your move MS. Better make it count.[/QUOTE]

This announcment will not mean the system is coming out this year. If anything, (imo) it will come out in December or early 2014. They want to just give the basics probably to what the system is like and get audience feedback, then adjust accordingly.
 
Sony has to act agressively. With the wiiu having a dry spell right now, sony has to get this thing out this year to get a head of the market. Once the exlusives from the wiiu comes out, consumers will have to decide which is more favorable to buy. And sony definitely release earlier than microsoft this time around. that one year gap hit sony bad. Imagining release line up... Last guardian, Agent, Watch Dogs!!! That would be killer!
 
[quote name='highoffcoffee496']This announcment will not mean the system is coming out this year. If anything, (imo) it will come out in December or early 2014. They want to just give the basics probably to what the system is like and get audience feedback, then adjust accordingly.[/QUOTE]

This will be out by November, theres no way they would release it after the holiday season. Even if they couldnt meet initial demand, theres zero chance they would let the new xbox be "the holiday gift" and once again, start playing catch up from the get go.
 
It was being first that probably gave Xbox 360 this generation anyway, and people are jonesing for a new console more than ever.
 
[quote name='Blaster man']No chance of BC since the hardware is so different.[/QUOTE]

I have a strong feeling there will be BC with at least the downloadable PSN games.
 
To be honest, I'm not sure what Sony can do to convince me to buy a new console. As it stands right now, the PS3 meets my needs. I doubt a PS4 will be more powerful than my PC and the gains that can be had on my TV are limited.

Personally, I think this is the challenge that both Sony and Microsoft have in the next generation. Nintendo decided to answer this with their gamepad, and it is unknown how well that ultimately will work out for them. What will the other guys do to convince us we need a new console?
 
[quote name='willardhaven']I have a strong feeling there will be BC with at least the downloadable PSN games.[/QUOTE]

Downloadable PSN games are indistinguishable from those on disc. The same hurdles still exist.
 
Possibilities: PS4, Slim Vita or price cut to commenmorate its birthday :D, Cloud Gaming Gaikai which Sony acquired recently, new IPs maybe.
 
[quote name='TheLongshot']To be honest, I'm not sure what Sony can do to convince me to buy a new console. As it stands right now, the PS3 meets my needs. I doubt a PS4 will be more powerful than my PC and the gains that can be had on my TV are limited.

Personally, I think this is the challenge that both Sony and Microsoft have in the next generation. Nintendo decided to answer this with their gamepad, and it is unknown how well that ultimately will work out for them. What will the other guys do to convince us we need a new console?[/QUOTE]

Agreed. Better graphics are nice but the big 3 are starting to be victims of their own success. My gaming experience on the PS3 and 360 are more than satisfying and the library is so big I could play 3 years at least without another game release.
 
You're all way off! They're going to announce the Super Super Slim PS3.

But for real though, I'm convinced that this is the PS4 announcement. With the announcement coming so early in 2013 I believe we will see playable consoles and a launch lineup at E3 and pricing and release date well before holiday 2013. I'm also wondering if they'll have Vita announcements as this event nearly falls on the Vita's launch anniversary. I think Sony took play out of Apples book, they certainly have the industry buzzing.
 
[quote name='Spokker']It was being first that probably gave Xbox 360 this generation anyway, and people are jonesing for a new console more than ever.[/QUOTE]

Well... That's not exactly true. The Xbox 360 had a clear advantage over the PS3 in the US, but the PS3 has over taken the Xbox 360 in World Wide sales. http://www.destructoid.com/ps3-exceeds-xbox-360-in-units-shipped-worldwide-says-idc-242222.phtml

When you look at the sales of the Xbox 360 and PS3 they seem to do better/worse in different regions. The Xbox 360 did much better in the US. The PS3 did much better in Japan and the PS3 did slightly better in Europe and Canada.

Although, the Wii still dominated them all. :lol:

[quote name='TheLongshot']To be honest, I'm not sure what Sony can do to convince me to buy a new console. As it stands right now, the PS3 meets my needs. I doubt a PS4 will be more powerful than my PC and the gains that can be had on my TV are limited.

Personally, I think this is the challenge that both Sony and Microsoft have in the next generation. Nintendo decided to answer this with their gamepad, and it is unknown how well that ultimately will work out for them. What will the other guys do to convince us we need a new console?[/QUOTE]

Yeah, my biggest fear is that the PS4 and 3rd Xbox are going to be too similar. The PS3 and Xbox 360 are virtually the same in terms of their capabilities and games. They are going to have to do something to distinguish themselves from the competition.

The Wii U is the family console, the OUYA is the indie console and it's going to be interesting how the 3rd Xbox and PS4 market themselves.
 
[quote name='CAGkrazy']Sony has to act agressively. With the wiiu having a dry spell right now, sony has to get this thing out this year to get a head of the market. Once the exlusives from the wiiu comes out, consumers will have to decide which is more favorable to buy.[/QUOTE]
Sony's and Microsoft's launch lineups will most likely follow the same pattern: titles that were rushed to meet the system's launch with one or two gems, followed by a dry spell of new content for several months thereafter. Devs are going to need some time to become learn how to make the most out of the new platforms (at least they won't have to struggle with the Cell architecture anymore). We probably won't see much in the way of quality exclusives until a year after each system's release.

I can't wait to see to see the PS4 & 720! :)
 
[quote name='TheLongshot']To be honest, I'm not sure what Sony can do to convince me to buy a new console. As it stands right now, the PS3 meets my needs. I doubt a PS4 will be more powerful than my PC and the gains that can be had on my TV are limited.

Personally, I think this is the challenge that both Sony and Microsoft have in the next generation. Nintendo decided to answer this with their gamepad, and it is unknown how well that ultimately will work out for them. What will the other guys do to convince us we need a new console?[/QUOTE]

To be honest, I think we reached a point in gaming where the benefits of the new console might not be as huge of a leap as before. Sure the game will look better, but I mean I don't know how much more gameplay elements they could add that a PS3 or 360 could not do. Especially with a game like Call of Duty, realistically I don't see what more they could add besides more graphical effects. I hope to be proven wrong.
 
[quote name='Sir_Fragalot']To be honest, I think we reached a point in gaming where the benefits of the new console might not be as huge of a leap as before. Sure the game will look better, but I mean I don't know how much more gameplay elements they could add that a PS3 or 360 could not do. Especially with a game like Call of Duty, realistically I don't see what more they could add besides more graphical effects. I hope to be proven wrong.[/QUOTE]

The biggest problem that I see with the Xbox 360 and PS3 right now and the reason why we probably need new consoles soon is that they have insufficient ram to really do much more. I think the next consoles will definitely have better textures and allow for more things on the screen. Hopefully this will also mean larger scale maps and more players being able to play multiplayer games at the same time. I think the games in the next generation will be clearer and pretty much all games will support 1080p and 3DTVs. They will probably also support HDMI version 2.

If I had to guess, I think there will be an even bigger focus on community and I think Sony will probably do a better job with integrating their operating system into everything. I'm also hopeful that they open up their apps a bit more so we can get more internet tv channels.
 
[quote name='Blaster man']No chance of BC since the hardware is so different.[/QUOTE]
I'm curious how this will impact this generation due to PS+ and the store. Throwing out years of free content and purchases could be harmful to sales of new hardware, considering it might not motivate people to make the move right away. It also kills the current catalog of content on the store for any new customers to the brand. Sony really didn't plan well using proprietary hardware and M$ won't face these issues, so it's going to be interesting for sure.
[quote name='Spokker']It was being first that probably gave Xbox 360 this generation anyway, and people are jonesing for a new console more than ever.[/QUOTE]I think price played a much larger factor than being first.
 
Kind of exciting, but no way I'll be buying a $400+ console, so I'll likely be waiting a few years. Unless they find some way to make it $199. One option would be a subsidy thing, like Microsoft has done. So buy the console for $199 with an X year PS+ contract at $50 a year. Of course I suppose it's more likely the price would be $299 or $399 with an X year contract. That would be less appealing.
 
[quote name='edson13']This will be out by November, theres no way they would release it after the holiday season. Even if they couldnt meet initial demand, theres zero chance they would let the new xbox be "the holiday gift" and once again, start playing catch up from the get go.[/QUOTE]

Sony has so many games coming out though this yr...isn't that going to be confusing with a new system launch?
 
[quote name='TheLongshot']To be honest, I'm not sure what Sony can do to convince me to buy a new console. As it stands right now, the PS3 meets my needs. I doubt a PS4 will be more powerful than my PC and the gains that can be had on my TV are limited.

Personally, I think this is the challenge that both Sony and Microsoft have in the next generation. Nintendo decided to answer this with their gamepad, and it is unknown how well that ultimately will work out for them. What will the other guys do to convince us we need a new console?[/QUOTE]

How does this convince you, 2014 very few PS3 games come out. 2015 only crappy ports or sports games come out on it. Convincing?


[quote name='highoffcoffee496']Sony has so many games coming out though this yr...isn't that going to be confusing with a new system launch?[/QUOTE]
Eh...how many come out this holiday? Also, are you sure none will have a better version on the new consoles?
 
[quote name='Blaster man']How does this convince you, 2014 very few PS3 games come out. 2015 only crappy ports or sports games come out on it. Convincing?



Eh...how many come out this holiday? Also, are you sure none will have a better version on the new consoles?[/QUOTE]

Unfortunately both of these. I can see Sony finally releasing The Last Guardian, on the PS4 only. Also, Metal Gear Solid 5/The Phantom Pain, and big games that have been announced/hinted at but not tied directly to this gen consoles will be probably be PS4/NextBox only games.
 
[quote name='waldo21212']Unfortunately both of these. I can see Sony finally releasing The Last Guardian, on the PS4 only.[/QUOTE]
Now that you mention it, this makes me sad. It would mean they skipped an entire generation of consoles without a game. :(
 
[quote name='Jodou']Now that you mention it, this makes me sad. It would mean they skipped an entire generation of consoles without a game. :([/QUOTE]

I've got another one for you. Final Fantasy Vs 13. Announced before the console even launched.
 
[quote name='Blaster man']I've got another one for you. Final Fantasy Vs 13. Announced before the console even launched.[/QUOTE]
Well, IF you count FFXIII as a proper sequel then at least PS3 got three games.
 
I don't particularly care about better graphics, but like someone said, the memory increase will be a big deal to what they can do with games, especially online multiplayer.

Mass Effect 3, for instance, was gimped by the 360 and PS3's low memory. They'd have been able to do more if only they'd had twice as much to work with. Also looking forward to better framerates (hopefully). I'd love to see some series return to 60 FPS (looking at you, Insomniac)
 
PS3 still GOOD enough for me. Why release PS4! Not looking to spend extra $400 - $500 on new system. Release more GOOD GAMES :)
 
I'm very anxious to see this announcement and what the next generation has to offer us. I'll probably not purchase a new system until a deal or first price drop, but it doesn't lessen my excitement or curiousity any! :)
 
[quote name='ID2006']I don't particularly care about better graphics, but like someone said, the memory increase will be a big deal to what they can do with games, especially online multiplayer.

Mass Effect 3, for instance, was gimped by the 360 and PS3's low memory. They'd have been able to do more if only they'd had twice as much to work with. Also looking forward to better framerates (hopefully). I'd love to see some series return to 60 FPS (looking at you, Insomniac)[/QUOTE]

I don't know about you but I want 60 FPS in 1080P. That IS graphics.
 
smart for them to annouce before MS & they should release 1st as well. be on shevles 1-2 weeks before black friday w/some heavy hitter software GTV5 would be a killer launch title along with a real metal gear, GT, AC...
 
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