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most ps4 exclusvies talked about at e3 was not ps4 only games it was just exclusive dlc and what not



Exactly and I honestly don't know how anyone can be excited about another Killzone game when the last one was nothing to write home about.
 
Exactly and I honestly don't know how anyone can be excited about another Killzone game when the last one was nothing to write home about.
That can be said about Dead Rising and the Deadly Premonition followup (blanking on name) and even to an extent, Halo.

And Timbo, you realize that dlc stuff didnt count towards the exclusive number on the PS4, right?
 
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That can be said about Dead Rising and the Deadly Premonition followup (blanking on name) and even to an extent, Halo.

And Timbo, you realize that dlc stuff didnt count towards the exclusive number on the PS4, right?
um it did rewatch the e3 press conf they said the number included games and ps4 only exclusive items for big 3rd party games

to be honest ps4 or xbox one has a system seller launch title seeing most of the better games are coming to pc,360,ps3

 
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That can be said about Dead Rising and the Deadly Premonition followup (blanking on name) and even to an extent, Halo.

And Timbo, you realize that dlc stuff didnt count towards the exclusive number on the PS4, right?



No way Killzone can ever even come close to be compared to Halo :lol:
 
When discussing games its really all subjective anyways so there is no right or wrong.

Killzone is a fine game in its own right. People just keep wanting to compare it to Halo when they arent much alike other than both being shooters.

 
Halo, Gears, Uncharted, God of War etc. are all stale as fuck. It all comes down to which console can get good, new IPs as exclusives next gen for me as I'm pretty tired of all the current franchises. I have more faith in Sony on that front personally, simply for Naughty Dog if nothing else.

Kind of moot anyway since exclusives don't matter that much anymore anyway since 95% of great games are multiplatform these days anyway.  And I'd rather play those on PS4 where I can be sure I don't have to make gestures or talk to my fucking console since there's no camera/always on mic packed in the box.

 
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^ Bingo... (Referring to the first part that is. I don't mind the motion stuff as much as you though I agree with you on voice commands).

oh I can't wait to see the avalanche of Japanese titles and indie games that will fill up the PS4 "exclusives" list
You say that like it is a bad thing. To me that is a major and clear advantage for the PS4. But I realize that is just a matter of personal preferences. I still have my X1 preordered but I could very well see the first game I get for it being Destiny (and only because my son is a Microsoft fanboy and wants it on the X1 instead of the PS4). Given that it isn't coming out until, what, April 2014 (?), I'm not sure why I need one at launch. Probably all I would buy before that are XBL arcade-type titles. I know those don't exist any more, so I guess I'm talking about "downloadbale-only titles $20 and under". MS really should have kept the "arcade" designation around :roll:. But anyway, that Plants vs. Zombies shooter game looks interesting. That is a possibility for me. And that's only because I got a bunch of cheap MS points during that 1200 points for $5 thing several weeks back.

 
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looks like the day one is sold out at amazon. Its still number 6 YTD compared to the launch PS4 at 3, which has been sold out for nearly a month. Gives a bit of credence to a lot less XB1's being produced for the holidays.

 
looks like the day one is sold out at amazon. Its still number 6 YTD compared to the launch PS4 at 3, which has been sold out for nearly a month. Gives a bit of credence to a lot less XB1's being produced for the holidays.
I wonder if they are trying to (MSFT) drum up demand with lower release numbers? Would seem to be a shortsighted strategy. Or maybe Amazon is just being conservative with pre-orders. Any other retailers sold out of X1 launch bundles?

 
I wonder if they are trying to (MSFT) drum up demand with lower release numbers? Would seem to be a shortsighted strategy. Or maybe Amazon is just being conservative with pre-orders. Any other retailers sold out of X1 launch bundles?



Or maybe they are being more realistic that Sony who said the preorder list for the PS4 was endless. We won't know until November.
 
^ Bingo... (Referring to the first part that is. I don't mind the motion stuff as much as you though I agree with you on voice commands).


You say that like it is a bad thing. To me that is a major and clear advantage for the PS4. But I realize that is just a matter of personal preferences. I still have my X1 preordered but I could very well see the first game I get for it being Destiny (and only because my son is a Microsoft fanboy and wants it on the X1 instead of the PS4). Given that it isn't coming out until, what, April 2014 (?), I'm not sure why I need one at launch. Probably all I would buy before that are XBL arcade-type titles. I know those don't exist any more, so I guess I'm talking about "downloadbale-only titles $20 and under". MS really should have kept the "arcade" designation around :roll:. But anyway, that Plants vs. Zombies shooter game looks interesting. That is a possibility for me. And that's only because I got a bunch of cheap MS points during that 1200 points for $5 thing several weeks back.



Not everyone likes those Japanese games and the indie games.

That is the clear division I think from Xbox players and PS players. Xbox is more western focused when it comes to their game selection where you get all the Japanese focused JRPGs and such on the PS. Some call the Xbox selection the "dudebro" selection but many enjoy that selection over the PS lineup.

That's why I'm continuing with Xbox and picking up the PS4 in about 4-5 years like I did the PS3.
 
Exactly and I honestly don't know how anyone can be excited about another Killzone game when the last one was nothing to write home about.
I like how you cherry pick one title - Killzone - and leave out the heavy hitters such as:

Uncharted

God of War

Resistance

Ratchet & Clank

Little Big Planet

Infamous

Gran Turismo

Outside of FORZA, Fable, Halo and Gears, there are no other good exclusive franchises on the 360. I think Sony has the upper hand for exclusives.

 
Not everyone likes those Japanese games and the indie games.

That is the clear division I think from Xbox players and PS players. Xbox is more western focused when it comes to their game selection where you get all the Japanese focused JRPGs and such on the PS. Some call the Xbox selection the "dudebro" selection but many enjoy that selection over the PS lineup.

That's why I'm continuing with Xbox and picking up the PS4 in about 4-5 years like I did the PS3.
Consider that for a moment though, the line up that is more attractive to western audiences is what, a bunch of shooters staring personality free muscle bound army guy? Am I the only one who finds that a little sad?

You said before you've never played an indie game you enjoyed, and I'm wondering, have you actually played any? Not even something like bastion or mine craft? I wonder if you're not realizing how much will be missing by shutting out indie devs.
 
Consider that for a moment though, the line up that is more attractive to western audiences is what, a bunch of shooters staring personality free muscle bound army guy? Am I the only one who finds that a little sad?

You said before you've never played an indie game you enjoyed, and I'm wondering, have you actually played any? Not even something like bastion or mine craft? I wonder if you're not realizing how much will be missing by shutting out indie devs.



Minecraft is coming to the X1

And I have never even visited the indie section.
 
I like how you cherry pick one title - Killzone - and leave out the heavy hitters such as:

Uncharted
God of War
Resistance
Ratchet & Clank
Little Big Planet
Infamous
Gran Turismo

Outside of FORZA, Fable, Halo and Gears, there are no other good exclusive franchises on the 360. I think Sony has the upper hand for exclusives.



Name a R&C game that was made this gen?

We all saw how awesome the AI is going to be in GT6 :lol:

Resistance was one of the weakest Sony exclusive I played.

I didn't like Infamous at all but that's me.

God of War was great...on the PS2.

Uncharted was terrible 2 was great and 3 was so rushed it barely lived up to 1.

And I think you know by reading my posts that LBP is not something I'm into even though I tried it.

Halo
Gears 1-3 (Judgement was bad)
Fable
Forza
Alan Wake
Kinect Sports
Crackdown
Left 4 Dead
Minecraft (even though I didn't play it)
State of Decay

Just to name a few

I don't really know why this is even a battle. Folks are going to buy the console that has the games they like the best. If your theory of the better exclusives were true then the PS3 would have crushed the X360 and we all know that didn't happen. So I don't know why everyone fights with the list of exclusives when PS3 certainly didn't win this generation with their lineup.
 
So WV is in "Marketing" according to his profile page, and pleads the 5th as to whether or not he is an MS shill. Pretty interesting.
Never been a fan of the ignore feature but that makes it an easier choice. Now if someone could come up with a similar theory for the $1700 on Christmas person. rofl Who the fuck spends that? Jesus the logic, and ensuing math post, in that is just astoundingly stupid.

you can say the same thing about the kinect camera, its going to be on top of your tv/xbox/media center its not like you have to wind it up to turn on the xbox, people who are still making a deal of the kinect camera really should just back away from the keyboard
Projector. Why do I need to run a 30' cable for a device that supposedly can have every feature turned off? Cut the cable. Million dollar idea: dongle that tricks the Xbone into thinking the Kinect is plugged in.

How is a camera with a persistent connection pointed at the busiest room in the house(or even some people's bedrooms) even remotely similar to a closed laptop? In a laptop bag in a non-busy room of the house? How about the camera facing down when a smartphone is sitting on a table or in my pocket? Never mind that neither device are always listening for something. Someone else ran down all the differences, but they are apples and oranges despite the loyalists trying their best to make them comparable for net arguments.

As for the disclaimer, it seems necessary in this thread since any slight complaint equals = PS f4nb0y110101!!!

So yeah, prior to the Xbone announcement I was ready to drop whatever on the X720 on day 1, but MS has bungled this worse than Sony ever did last gen. The fact that they can flip a switch at will to activate all kinds of anti-consumer DRM is telling enough. Add onto that the persistent camera, $100 more and what's bound to be a record number of ads on the dash(in a $500 box and $60 for a service I'm paying for, mind you), and MS has willingly put many Xbox fans on the fence ready to hop to the other side. I love Halo & Gears as much as the next guy, but none of that is worth it just to play those two games.

 
Name a R&C game that was made this gen?

We all saw how awesome the AI is going to be in GT6 :lol:

Resistance was one of the weakest Sony exclusive I played.

I didn't like Infamous at all but that's me.

God of War was great...on the PS2.

Uncharted was terrible 2 was great and 3 was so rushed it barely lived up to 1.

And I think you know by reading my posts that LBP is not something I'm into even though I tried it.

Halo
Gears 1-3 (Judgement was bad)
Fable
Forza
Alan Wake
Kinect Sports
Crackdown
Left 4 Dead
Minecraft (even though I didn't play it)
State of Decay

Just to name a few
Ratchet & Clank? is that a joke?

Tools of Destruction

Crack in Time

Quest for Booty

All 4 one

Full Frontal Assault

That series has been raped more this gen than Mario.

And anyone who cites Crackdown as a heavy hitter for Xbox never played #2. MS took a giant shit on that series. Including that is stretching to say the least. Minecraft can be played on pretty much any other platform even if you don't have a console.

 
I like how you cherry pick one title - Killzone - and leave out the heavy hitters such as:

Uncharted

God of War

Resistance

Ratchet & Clank

Little Big Planet

Infamous

Gran Turismo

Outside of FORZA, Fable, Halo and Gears, there are no other good exclusive franchises on the 360. I think Sony has the upper hand for exclusives.
I would add Alan wake to the 360 list it was pretty awesome, but I always thought Sony had the better exclusives. Just my opinion of course :razz:.

And why does everyone think all of Sonys upcoming exclusives will all be japanese/indies?, Sure we'll get those but Sony has a ton of other big studios (Media Molecule, Guerilla Games supposed fantasy RPG, Naughty God's second team, Sony Santa Monica ect ect) that we havent heard shit from and I'm sure they're cooking up something. Sony did not blow their load at E3, I'm not worried about Sony exclusives one bit.

 
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Again....

I don't really know why this is even a battle. Folks are going to buy the console that has the games they like the best. If your theory of the better exclusives were true then the PS3 would have crushed the X360 and we all know that didn't happen. So I don't know why everyone fights with the list of exclusives when PS3 certainly didn't win this generation with their lineup.[
 
Name a R&C game that was made this gen?

We all saw how awesome the AI is going to be in GT6 :lol:

Resistance was one of the weakest Sony exclusive I played.

I didn't like Infamous at all but that's me.

God of War was great...on the PS2.

Uncharted was terrible 2 was great and 3 was so rushed it barely lived up to 1.

And I think you know by reading my posts that LBP is not something I'm into even though I tried it.

Halo
Gears 1-3 (Judgement was bad)
Fable
Forza
Alan Wake
Kinect Sports
Crackdown
Left 4 Dead
Minecraft (even though I didn't play it)
State of Decay

Just to name a few

I don't really know why this is even a battle. Folks are going to buy the console that has the games they like the best. If your theory of the better exclusives were true then the PS3 would have crushed the X360 and we all know that didn't happen. So I don't know why everyone fights with the list of exclusives when PS3 certainly didn't win this generation with their lineup.
Your first statement alone discredits your post. To make that statement out of pure ignorance or stupidity is very revealing. As already posted, there have been at least 5 R&C releases on the PS3.

Also, opinions aside you cannot dispute that those series are big sellers as exclusives. I am not going to nitpick each release as that is nonsensical as each series has its own dog (Halo ODST for example).

Alan Wake and Left for Dead are not exclusives as they are available on the PC. If anything, I should not have included Fable either for that very same reason. Moreover, Alan Wake is not a franchise release. That would be the equivalent of saying Heavy Rain is an exclusive franchise release. I included Halo and Gears despite PC releases as those series are both dead on the PC.

Minecraft is not an exclusive either.

Crackdown is dead in its current state unless it can be revived, but if you want to include that, then add SOCOM to the list for the PS3.

i didn't include XBL/PSN games. Besides State of Decay is not a series, at least not yet. But if you want to include that, then add the PixelJunk series to the list for the PS3.

Don't give me Kinect sports as an exclusive franchise, please. If anything, I left out MotorStorm for the PS3. And notice I left out all the niche titles like Disgaea, Atelier, Ar Tonelico, etc.

The bottom line is that the PS3 has/had the 360 beat at quality exclusive franchise releases at about 2 games to 1.

 
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Then the PS3 should have blown away the 360 which it clearly did not do.

I get so much shit for being excited for the X1 in the X1 - Xbox 360 forum yet you guys are in here. I don't understand it? I have gone over and posted a few articles in the other forum but I don't watch over it like a hawk like you guys do to fight every single thing.

The X1 or as you awesome people call it the XBone has been talked about plenty over there as well but I didn't jump in there to defend. So why not go over there and let us discuss the X1. If you are not getting one why do you even care what MS does? I don't get the point.

Leave Timbo Ashane myself and others alone and go enjoy the PS4 circle jerk.

Enjoy all over your amazing exclusives and your awesome indies and your lightbar that will add the awesome ambiance to your room and I will enjoy my X1 with my Kinect and entertainment features behind my paywall that I don't care about.

I really don't see the need for this fight to continue in this thread. I have said numerous times folks will buy whatever they think they will enjoy the best and what's the point of fighting about it?

Does it anger you that I like the X1 Don't mind the $500 price point and the Kinect? So much that you need to fight and discredit me? What's the point? The Departed is my favorite movie does that anger you to? I drive a foreign car...still pissed? I just bought a diet coke are you a Pepsi person and that just pissed you off?

What's the point? And why does it matter what I buy or value for the money that I make?

Don't really understand what the point is that if you buy an X1 you are an idiot and hate gamers and gaming and if you buy a PS4 you are "cool" and are supporting gamers and everything that is right with the industry.

You don't think Sony wants to make money off of you just as bad as MS?

And what's it matter what I do for a living. There is no way that is ever getting disclosed in an open forum.
 
VW Matsui, its perfectly fine being excited for the Xbox 1. The problem is you seem to do more bashing of PS4/PS3 then actually talking about what excites you about the new system.

You and Timbo really seem to love bringing up the PS4 in this thread for whatever reason. Just stop and talk about Xbox 1 stuff and then you won't get this crap going on in here.

 
I wouldn't call it crushed, but you do realize PS3 has sold more units than 360 right?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22556805

"About 76 million Xbox 360s had been shipped by the end of March, according to research firm IDC. By contrast Nintendo's Wii had shipped 99.4 million units and the PS3 78 million."
That's true, but you're talking worldwide. In the US the 360 is way ahead and has been the entire time (it's been the top selling console in the U.S. now for 29 consecutive months and is supposed to pass the Wii in total sales by year's end).

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Not everyone likes those Japanese games and the indie games.

That is the clear division I think from Xbox players and PS players. Xbox is more western focused when it comes to their game selection where you get all the Japanese focused JRPGs and such on the PS. Some call the Xbox selection the "dudebro" selection but many enjoy that selection over the PS lineup.

That's why I'm continuing with Xbox and picking up the PS4 in about 4-5 years like I did the PS3.
Journey, Flower, and Unfinished Swan all by Santa Monica studio, all artsy games, nothing like that coming out on Xbox 360 and especially from 1st party studios.

That's worldwide. In the US the 360 is way ahead and has been the entire time (it's been the top selling console in the U.S. now for 29 consecutive months). Their focus is on the U.S. market with the XB1 for that reason.

consolewar1-640x360.png
It's true that it's far ahead in the US. Will it be able to maintain it's US dominance with a console that's $100 more expensive and doesn't have a year head start?

 
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That's true, but you're talking worldwide. In the US the 360 is way ahead and has been the entire time (it's been the top selling console in the U.S. now for 29 consecutive months and is supposed to pass the Wii in total sales by year's end).

consolewar1-640x360.png
Yes, I'm talking worldwide total sales, because that's what counts. You can't go,"But it's winning in this country, thus it has won the console war!" and just dismiss the sales everywhere else.

 
Again....

I don't really know why this is even a battle. Folks are going to buy the console that has the games they like the best. If your theory of the better exclusives were true then the PS3 would have crushed the X360 and we all know that didn't happen. So I don't know why everyone fights with the list of exclusives when PS3 certainly didn't win this generation with their lineup.[
It didn't crush the 360, but it has passed it a tad in worldwide sales now despite launching a year later, having a higher initial price and a terrible launch overall.

Again, well behind the 360 in the US sales, and that's all that really matters to people who just like shooters, sports games, racers etc. like you, and the X1 will be the console for you. The PS4 will be better for hardcore gamers who want more variety in genres with the better Japanese and Indie developer support, just like the PS3 this gen.

Only time will tell how sales pan out this gen, as we have to see whether the X1 price, DRM issues with the reveal and back track, Kinect etc. allow Sony to get back on top in the US. It's pretty clear they'll remain ahead in worldwide sales as MS has done nothing to improve sales in Asia. The US will be interesting to watch, and Europe where Sony was also ahead this gen.

And that's all really most are discussing here. Just speculating on how sales will go. Other than you, Timbo and Ashane I don't think there's much fanboy ranting going on. I couldn't care less who wins the sales race next generation, or any generation. I just buy the console(s) that fit my interests, gaming time and budget and like following the industry as a hobby. I have no loyalty to any of these companies and my most played console has gone back and forth from Nintendo to Sony to MS etc. over the generations I've gamed.

 
VW Matsui, its perfectly fine being excited for the Xbox 1. The problem is you seem to do more bashing of PS4/PS3 then actually talking about what excites you about the new system.

You and Timbo really seem to love bringing up the PS4 in this thread for whatever reason. Just stop and talk about Xbox 1 stuff and then you won't get this crap going on in here.
I agree with this. Such an example is the ps4 controller light or lightbar or whatever it is.

Anyways, on topic, I'm still undecided if I will purchase the xbox one at launch or possibly wait for a while.

 
as much as i love my xbox, most our exclusives have either flat-lined or are currently being run into the ground so that's no longer really a selling point for me

 
It's true that it's far ahead in the US. Will it be able to maintain it's US dominance with a console that's $100 more expensive and doesn't have a year head start?
That's the big question, obviously...but they've got an advantage in user base and Xbox Live that Sony will have to overcome. The $100 price tag difference will help, but MS must feel confident they can go with $500 at least at launch and not take a massive hit on that end.

 
I agree with this. Such an example is the ps4 controller light or lightbar or whatever it is.

Anyways, on topic, I'm still undecided if I will purchase the xbox one at launch or possibly wait for a while.
I think I am going to wait for a price drop or a Halo bundle Xbox one console. Right now there is no games on the Xbox one where I have to get it at launch.

 
Then the PS3 should have blown away the 360 which it clearly did not do.

I get so much shit for being excited for the X1 in the X1 - Xbox 360 forum yet you guys are in here. I don't understand it? I have gone over and posted a few articles in the other forum but I don't watch over it like a hawk like you guys do to fight every single thing.

The X1 or as you awesome people call it the XBone has been talked about plenty over there as well but I didn't jump in there to defend. So why not go over there and let us discuss the X1. If you are not getting one why do you even care what MS does? I don't get the point.

Leave Timbo Ashane myself and others alone and go enjoy the PS4 circle jerk.

Enjoy all over your amazing exclusives and your awesome indies and your lightbar that will add the awesome ambiance to your room and I will enjoy my X1 with my Kinect and entertainment features behind my paywall that I don't care about.

I really don't see the need for this fight to continue in this thread. I have said numerous times folks will buy whatever they think they will enjoy the best and what's the point of fighting about it?
As you said earlier, this is really now a next gen discussion thread. So the point is to discuss the next gen machines, how we see sales, exclusives etc. going. For most of us, following and discussing the game industry is as much our hobby as playing games, ore we wouldn't spend so much time on game forums.

Additionally, there is the future owner's thread that's devoid of this kind of discussion where those of you who are excited for the X1 can discuss it to your hearts' content, and a mod (IO) agreed to make sure it stayed on topic and free of bashing.

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/topic/313133-the-xbox-one-future-owners-discussion-thread-no-drm-debates-etc/

Of course, it didn't take off as hardcore gamers on forums like this just aren't excited for the X1. Be it here on CAG (that was a very 360 fan heavy site--see how much more active threads for games like COD, BL2 etc. are in this forum vs. the PS3 forum), or sites like GAF that lean more Sony.

If MS is going to win in the US again, they'll do it by being this generations Wii and selling to casual and non-gamers with Kinect, the TV stuff etc. Time will tell if that works with a $500 launch price, vs. the Wii's $250 launch price.... But they won't win with hardcore gamers as they've put off that market with the DRM stuff, Kinect, the price, shunning indies, ensured continued lack of Japanese developer support etc.

VW Matsui, its perfectly fine being excited for the Xbox 1. The problem is you seem to do more bashing of PS4/PS3 then actually talking about what excites you about the new system.

You and Timbo really seem to love bringing up the PS4 in this thread for whatever reason. Just stop and talk about Xbox 1 stuff and then you won't get this crap going on in here.
Exactly. And again, the thread linked above is mod approved to stay on topic for positive X1 discussion--they just have chosen not to use it. And I can't blame them as it was slow as shit as those two and Ashane seem to be the only regulars truly exicted for the X1 and wanting to discuss it. Which seems the norm on all the gaming forums I frequent. MS has really botched the X1 reveal and have a LOT of ground to make up to get hardcore gamers back on board in mass this generation. It can be done though, Sony bounced back from a terrible PS3 launch to move ahead of the 360 in worldwide sales.

 
as much as i love my xbox, most our exclusives have either flat-lined or are currently being run into the ground so that's no longer really a selling point for me
They shouldn't have made that terrible 4th Gears game. I loved the first three and thought that 4th one was not good. At best it should have been an XBLA game.

 
as much as i love my xbox, most our exclusives have either flat-lined or are currently being run into the ground so that's no longer really a selling point for me



This can be said for both sides though I believe
 
Alan Wake and Left for Dead are not exclusives as they are available on the PC. If anything, I should not have included Fable either for that very same reason. Moreover, Alan Wake is not a franchise release. That would be the equivalent of saying Heavy Rain is an exclusive franchise release. I included Halo and Gears despite PC releases as those series are both dead on the PC.
In a discussion about which *console* you prefer, if a title is coming out to one *console* and not another *console*, that makes it *console exclusive* and does indeed count sir.

While I understand attempting to downplay X1's exclusives is par for the course here, let's not be bonkers about it shall we?

Again, well behind the 360 in the US sales, and that's all that really matters to people who just like shooters, sports games, racers etc. like you, and the X1 will be the console for you. The PS4 will be better for hardcore gamers who want more variety in genres with the better Japanese and Indie developer support, just like the PS3 this gen.
I'd love to hear your definition of a "hard core" gamer please?

Why, pray tell, is the PS4 better for one? From your above quote, it seems you think a hard core gamer is one who plays a variety of titles. Something usually associated with a "casual" gamer, in that they dabble in a bunch of titles.. where as a hardcore gamer masters a few titles and puts a exhaustive number of hours into said titles.

One could also look to the MLG, which is by definition "hard core gamers", and find very few.... indie titles? Japanese RPG's? Ok, I really cant continue with a straight face. We all know what games MLG play's.

 
The X1 or as you awesome people call it the XBone has been talked about plenty over there as well but I didn't jump in there to defend. So why not go over there and let us discuss the X1. If you are not getting one why do you even care what MS does? I don't get the point.

Leave Timbo Ashane myself and others alone
You have an entire thread for discussing the wonders of Kinect and every other great feature of the Xbone, yet none of you post there. The thread died of boredom and you came back to this one. There are many valid criticisms of the Xbone and how Microsoft has handled this whole launch. That is what this thread is for.
 
That's the big question, obviously...but they've got an advantage in user base and Xbox Live that Sony will have to overcome. The $100 price tag difference will help, but MS must feel confident they can go with $500 at least at launch and not take a massive hit on that end.
Atari felt confident to let all kinds of licensed shovelware on their system....

And Nintendo felt confident after the NES and SNES that they could tell Sony to fuck off and stick with cartridges that they could charge developers big licensing fees to use.....

Sony felt confident after the PS1 and PS2 to use the PS3 to help Bluray win and that people would work 2 jobs to afford it.....

If anything, history has shown that gamers are a fickle bunch, and for all the fanboyism online, people regularly shift companies and go where the best games and experiences are. So I don't think MS's current advantages really mean much. I have friends I play on 360 with, and none on PS3 (don't even have a headset). But that was no issue for me in switching as most of the people I play with are switching (or at least getting PS4 at launch and waiting and seeing on the X1). Just anecdotal of course, and only time will tell how much that happens (or doesn't) across the board.

 
You have an entire thread for discussing the wonders of Kinect and every other great feature of the Xbone, yet none of you post there. The thread died of boredom and you came back to this one. There are many valid criticisms of the Xbone and how Microsoft has handled this whole launch. That is what this thread is for.
I would not say it died of boredom. There were far more people then just VW, Timbo and I posting in it. If that's what you think, you need to really go recheck it.

However, you still had idiots polluting that thread with "not buying a X1, Microsoft did nothing for me" crap... because god forbid they do not open up their mouth for one second on a thread not even designed for them.

Yet you wonder why some of us stay on this thread? It's to show those who *are* excited for it, which is far more then you think even on this forum, that people will defend the system and not let a bunch of wanna-be trolls attempt to destroy it out of nothing but sheer spite that Microsoft pissed in their kiddie pool.

If you'd like to see what a real moderated forum looks like, http://www.reddit.com/r/xboxone/ that is how it's done right, and is a extremely good place to have a actual discussion.

I've seen more then a few of those excited for the X1 on Reddit over there lately, and it's no surprise why.

 
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I would add Alan wake to the 360 list it was pretty awesome, but I always thought Sony had the better exclusives. Just my opinion of course :razz:.

And why does everyone think all of Sonys upcoming exclusives will all be japanese/indies?, Sure we'll get those but Sony has a ton of other big studios (Media Molecule, Guerilla Games supposed fantasy RPG, Naughty God's second team, Sony Santa Monica ect ect) that we havent heard shit from and I'm sure they're cooking up something. Sony did not blow their load at E3, I'm not worried about Sony exclusives one bit.
So is The Last of Us a Japanese title or an indie?
 
So wait, you should only post in this thread if you are excited for the Xbox one? People shouldnt come in  here and discuss anything negative about it?*

*While keeping it on topic of the Xbox One and not going into this Sony vs Microsoft crap that you guys have made this thread into.

 
So wait, you should only post in this thread if you are excited for the Xbox one? People shouldnt come in here and discuss anything negative about it?*

*While keeping it on topic of the Xbox One and not going into this Sony vs Microsoft crap that you guys have made this thread into.
The issue is, it's down to opinions. One side certainly does not respect the others opinions in anyway, shape, or form.

Example:

Better exclusives. One side gives a opinion that X1 has better. The other side proceeds to troll the living shit out of the person that said it.

Even to the point of saying no hardcore gamer would want a X1, which is utterly laughable and completely idiotic, but it was said.

 
This can be said for both sides though I believe
I made this in the PS4 thread last month, so some of these have released I do believe. But:

XBOX:

Released Later This Year:

Charlie Murder (I think exclusive)

Deadfall Adventures

Fable Anniversary

Lococycle

Max: The Curse of Brotherhood

World of Tanks

2012/2013 (Bolding the Kinect Games to distinguish those also)

Akai Katana

Alan Wake's American Nightmare

Battleblock Theater

Bloodforge

Country Dance All-Stars

Dance Central 3

Double Dragon II: Wander of the Dragons

Dragon Ball Z for Kinect

Fable: The Journey

Fez

Forza Horizon

Gears of War: Judgement

Halo 4

Harry Potter for Kinect

Hybrid

Kinect Nat Geo TV

Kinect Rush: A Disney-Pixar Adventure

Kinect Sesame Street TV

Kinect Star Wars

Mark of the Ninja

Minecraft Xbox 360 Edition

Monaco: What's Yours is Mine

NBA Baller Beats

Nike+ Kinect Training

Skulls of the Shogun

Spelunky

State of Decay

Steel Battalion: Heavy Armor

Trials Evolution

The WItcher 2: Assassins of Kings

Wreckateer

PS3

Released Later This Year

Beyond: Two Souls

Disgaea D2: A Brighter Darkness

Dragon’s Crown

Final Fantasy X | X-2 HD

Gran Turismo 6

Guided Fate Paradox

Kingdom Hearts HD 1.5 Remix

One Piece: Pirate Warriors 2

Puppeteer

Rain

Tales of Xillia

Time and Eternity

Until Dawn

Witch and the Hundred Knights

2012/2013 (Bolding the Move games to distinguish those also)

Atelier Meruru: The Apprentice of Arland

Atelier Ayesha: The Alchemist of Dusk

Closure

Datura

Doctor Who: The Eternity Clock

Dust 514

God of War: Ascension

Guacamelee!

Hyperdimension Neptunia Mk2

Hyperdimension Neptunia Victory

Journey

Legasista

LittleBigPlanet Karting

MLB '13: The Show

Mobile Suit Gundam Unicorn

Mugen Souls

Ni No Kuni: Wrath of the White Witch

One Piece: Pirate Warriors

Papo & Yo

Pixeljunk 4am

Playstation All Stars: Battle Royale

Ratchet & Clank: Full Frontal Assault

Ratchet & Clank Collection

Resident Evil: Chronicles HD Collection

Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time

Sorcery

Sports Champions 2

Starhawk

Tales of Xillia 2

The Last of Us

Tokyo Jungle

Twisted Metal

Wonderbook: Book of Spells

Yakuza: Dead Souls

 
So is The Last of Us a Japanese title or an indie?
That's kind of the point. With Sony you can still get a good fix of western style games, shooters etc., and also get a great variety of Japanese and Indie developed games.

With MS, you get a better (IMO) selection of shooters and other western dominated genres, but not nearly as much in the Japanese/Indie camp.

So just a matter of what type of games you like playing. If you don't care about Japanese or Indie games, then the X1 will be the way to go as it will likely continue having the better selection of shooters etc. unless the sales really tip toward Sony in the US this time which could up developer support, lead to more active online communities on PS4 etc.. But I don't see that happening. I think it will be close to a split in US sells this generation, and games like CoD will continue to have much more active communities on Xbox and make the X1 the system to go to for people into those types of games.

 
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