banned from Walmart?

Possible? Yes.
Likely? Probably not, unless thier loss prevention department can prove a pattern of fraud or theft, and then it would be a certainty.. along with the charges Walmart would press.
 
If you abuse it you deserve to be banned.

He was talking about charges if they can prove fraud or theft.
 
you know, technically you could do the same with kohl's and target, as they have alot of the same merchandise and on any given day one is probably cheaper than the other. but target takes your picture when you enter the store and keeps track of everything you buy, and return, so i wouldnt be too obvious about it.
 
I suppose people will try to rip off Walmart if they continue to allow people to return dozens of the same product with out a receipt.
 
[quote name='rfoster9']you know, technically you could do the same with kohl's and target, as they have alot of the same merchandise and on any given day one is probably cheaper than the other. but target takes your picture when you enter the store and keeps track of everything you buy, and return, so i wouldnt be too obvious about it.[/quote]

Do you have any kind of news article, etc about Target tracking every purchase and return along with pictures? Seems a bit far fetched/beyond current technology to me.

I'm just curious as to how they would be able to pull this off. (Reference it across all Targets / how would they catalog it so the info could be managably used.)
 
My friend buys PC games and returns them wihin a week or two after beating them for as long as I've known him (4 years). There's 2 WalMarts in our area, so he splits it up somehow. He hasn't been banned, but he told me he's limited on the price of items he can buy.
 
[quote name='JSweeney']Possible? Yes.
Likely? Probably not, unless thier loss prevention department can prove a pattern of fraud or theft, and then it would be a certainty.. along with the charges Walmart would press.[/quote]

JSweeny is just a scared pussy ass bitch. He's always saying these dumb things, he actually believes a company can press charges for returning something...man some people are just sad. :lol:
 
[quote name='rfoster9']you know, technically you could do the same with kohl's and target, as they have alot of the same merchandise and on any given day one is probably cheaper than the other. but target takes your picture when you enter the store and keeps track of everything you buy, and return, so i wouldnt be too obvious about it.[/quote]

That has to be BS. Sure they take you picture when you come in. Yes the put it on video tape. The video could then be used if you were trying to do an armed robbery of the place! I don't think it has much other value.
 
[quote name='optimolife'][quote name='JSweeney']Possible? Yes.
Likely? Probably not, unless thier loss prevention department can prove a pattern of fraud or theft, and then it would be a certainty.. along with the charges Walmart would press.[/quote]

JSweeny is just a scared pussy ass bitch. He's always saying these dumb things, he actually believes a company can press charges for returning something...man some people are just sad. :lol:[/quote]

If you're returning something that you didn't buy from that store in order to produce a profit, they can arrest you. That is illegal and they can easily press fraud or theft charges. It's not sad, what's sad is thinking it's somehow ok to participate in something like that.
 
[quote name='wubb'][quote name='rfoster9']you know, technically you could do the same with kohl's and target, as they have alot of the same merchandise and on any given day one is probably cheaper than the other. but target takes your picture when you enter the store and keeps track of everything you buy, and return, so i wouldnt be too obvious about it.[/quote]

Do you have any kind of news article, etc about Target tracking every purchase and return along with pictures? Seems a bit far fetched/beyond current technology to me.

I'm just curious as to how they would be able to pull this off. (Reference it across all Targets / how would they catalog it so the info could be managably used.)[/quote]

No kidding.. that would probably take zettabytes to store, and the bandwidth required to access it in a reasonable amount of time would be insane.
 
[quote name='optimolife'][quote name='JSweeney']Possible? Yes.
Likely? Probably not, unless thier loss prevention department can prove a pattern of fraud or theft, and then it would be a certainty.. along with the charges Walmart would press.[/quote]

JSweeny is just a scared pussy ass bitch. He's always saying these dumb things, he actually believes a company can press charges for returning something...man some people are just sad. :lol:[/quote]

I'm still wondering who this JSweeny guy is.
It's obviously not me.. my name is spelled J..S..W..E..E..N..E..Y.
:)
 
[quote name='JSweeney'][quote name='optimolife'][quote name='JSweeney']Possible? Yes.
Likely? Probably not, unless thier loss prevention department can prove a pattern of fraud or theft, and then it would be a certainty.. along with the charges Walmart would press.[/quote]

JSweeny is just a scared pussy ass bitch. He's always saying these dumb things, he actually believes a company can press charges for returning something...man some people are just sad. :lol:[/quote]

I'm still wondering who this JSweeny guy is.
It's obviously not me.. my name is spelled J..S..W..E..E..N..E..Y.
:)[/quote]

J, he gets emotionally distressed when you call him on his thieving, pointing out spelling mistakes is only going to make him cry harder and more girlishly.
 
Most of these stores probably still use video tape.
And with the advances going on in security cameras, and the acceptance society is showing toward having a camera film every aspect of their life, we're probably not too far down the road from video identification which could be used for returns or fraud or what have you.
I'm sure it *could* be done even now, but I highly doubt it is, for a couple reasons: cost, acceptance, technology, etc.

Cornfedwb: Do you have info as to an actual state or federal law about that? I'm not disbelieving you, I would like to read a reference if you have one. I know, and certainly agree, that the store can make whatever policy they want about it, but I am interested in any legal basis.

'Returning' something is certainly legal and legitimate, but I could definitely see a fraud argument in some scenarios.
 
Yea well what you guys said true, they got secruity cameras everywhere inside there stores plus secuirty cameras outside the parking lots, at least the ones I've seen.
 
[quote name='JSweeney'][quote name='wubb'][quote name='rfoster9']you know, technically you could do the same with kohl's and target, as they have alot of the same merchandise and on any given day one is probably cheaper than the other. but target takes your picture when you enter the store and keeps track of everything you buy, and return, so i wouldnt be too obvious about it.[/quote]

Do you have any kind of news article, etc about Target tracking every purchase and return along with pictures? Seems a bit far fetched/beyond current technology to me.

I'm just curious as to how they would be able to pull this off. (Reference it across all Targets / how would they catalog it so the info could be managably used.)[/quote]

No kidding.. that would probably take zettabytes to store, and the bandwidth required to access it in a reasonable amount of time would be insane.[/quote]

i dont have any specific information, just that i witnessed them able to pull up profiles of people and it listed everything they had bought there, along with pictures as they entered, bought, and left the store. the store was new though, so its not like at that time there was a huge amount of information for it to hold. it had only been open about 3 or 4 months. as far as how they keep/share the information, i have no ideal and have had questions about it myself. i do know that they sink alot of money into it though. we have had meetings with the head AP guy and he talks about being "20 years ahead of wal mart in security" and "cutting edge technology" but i just blow it off as a bunch of bull. we caught some guy stealing and they let him leave cause no AP personnel were in the building, some good all that technology did.
 
[quote name='dtcarson']Most of these stores probably still use video tape.
And with the advances going on in security cameras, and the acceptance society is showing toward having a camera film every aspect of their life, we're probably not too far down the road from video identification which could be used for returns or fraud or what have you.
I'm sure it *could* be done even now, but I highly doubt it is, for a couple reasons: cost, acceptance, technology, etc.

Cornfedwb: Do you have info as to an actual state or federal law about that? I'm not disbelieving you, I would like to read a reference if you have one. I know, and certainly agree, that the store can make whatever policy they want about it, but I am interested in any legal basis.

'Returning' something is certainly legal and legitimate, but I could definitely see a fraud argument in some scenarios.[/quote]

http://dictionary.lp.findlaw.com/sc...com&topic=30/30871e2ed1b1e92ab87cbd4c809d8c7c

There's the legal definition of fraud... if someone is performing an act to deceive a store to acquire money that is not rightfully theirs.. would be guilty of fraud.
 
Cameras are you kidding me. Don't you know how many privacy groups would sue the daylights out of them for all the privacy laws they would have violated. If they used any data for anything other than security without the people in the store giving consent you are going down. You CANNOT make a database of people with candid photography unless they are considered in the public eye like a moviestar or something.
 
[quote name='BULL_Ship']Cameras are you kidding me. Don't you know how many privacy groups would sue the daylights out of them for all the privacy laws they would have violated. If they used any data for anything other than security without the people in the store giving consent you are going down. You CANNOT make a database of people with candid photography unless they are considered in the public eye like a moviestar or something.[/quote]

Not true anymore.. after the debacle of using cameras to search the crowds for the superbowl 2? years ago and compare them to known fugitives/terrorists etc.. This has gone to the supreme court and basically it was decided that for interests of security, it is legal.
The legal definition of privacy has always been only where you would have an 'expectation of privacy'.. they can't keep videos of women in dressing rooms.. but they can easily keep a database of snapshots of people walking through the open store.

The pictures/articles of 'public eye' individuals only applies to publicly available media, not a proprietary database.
 
i don't know about you guys, but in my town, their's cameras at every traffic light now. Ugh. I'm sure if i looked in my shower i'd find some secreat cameras i nevre existed too.
 
When u do a return without a receipt - most stores ask for identification.

Target, BB, CC, and others actually have a databse of every purchase you ever made with them if u pay with checks or cards -- or give them your phone number (as they often request).

So, they know when u have returned too many items -- and if they have a 3 item per year limit, then you are stuck holding that 4th item. SOL.
 
Target does track all the stuff you buy with a credit card or debit. If you trty to return something without a receipt, they will offer to do a look-up for you on these cards.

They also track returns without a reiceipt. TRU, Wal-Mart, and Best Buy do this too.
 
[quote name='Cornfedwb'][quote name='BULL_Ship']Cameras are you kidding me. Don't you know how many privacy groups would sue the daylights out of them for all the privacy laws they would have violated. If they used any data for anything other than security without the people in the store giving consent you are going down. You CANNOT make a database of people with candid photography unless they are considered in the public eye like a moviestar or something.[/quote]

Not true anymore.. after the debacle of using cameras to search the crowds for the superbowl 2? years ago and compare them to known fugitives/terrorists etc.. This has gone to the supreme court and basically it was decided that for interests of security, it is legal.
The legal definition of privacy has always been only where you would have an 'expectation of privacy'.. they can't keep videos of women in dressing rooms.. but they can easily keep a database of snapshots of people walking through the open store.

The pictures/articles of 'public eye' individuals only applies to publicly available media, not a proprietary database.[/quote]

That still doesn't give them the right to create a video database. You can watch whats happening and use it for theft or something but you can't just keep videos of everyone whos ever been in the store just because of the possibility that they might return something from a different store in the future. I think your looking at this from the wrong angle this isn't counter terrorism here its petty theft. Are you somehow arguing that target could use terrorism to rationilize the keeping of a database of customers.
 
[quote name='rfoster9']its not just petty theft, credit card fraud, check fraud also have to be figured in.[/quote]

How are videos of people keeping track of that?
 
[quote name='BULL_Ship'][quote name='rfoster9']its not just petty theft, credit card fraud, check fraud also have to be figured in.[/quote]

How are videos of people keeping track of that?[/quote]

uh, the people write a bad check, they are put on a list of "to watch" people as they come in the store and they are arrested when they try to do it again.
 
[quote name='rfoster9'][quote name='BULL_Ship'][quote name='rfoster9']its not just petty theft, credit card fraud, check fraud also have to be figured in.[/quote]

How are videos of people keeping track of that?[/quote]

uh, the people write a bad check, they are put on a list of "to watch" people as they come in the store and they are arrested when they try to do it again.[/quote]

Thats still not backed up by cameras. When they are put on watch they just don't let him try to buy anything. If you think they have some badass facial recognition system that alerts them when they walk into the door you are sadly mistaken.
 
That's an interesting point--if they have the right to film shoppers in their store [which they do, as long as it's not like in the bathroom or whatever], how long are they allowed to keep the video, and what can do they do with it? I'd think they can keep it quite some time [if not as long as they want], and since they're security videos, as long as they can tie the usage thereof into 'security' or 'loss prevention', they can probably do what they want with them.

Cornfedwb: thanks for the link. Intersting. Although [and of course IANAL], and obviously it would ultimately come down to who has the better lawyer, but I don't necessarily see this return thing as fraud.
If I go into WalMart, and say "I bought this product, I don't have a [Walmart] receipt, and would like to return it", and the product was bought and is being returned new, there's nothing inherently 'misrepresented' or 'deceived' there. And if WalMart gives me 40 bucks credit, and they sell the product for 40 bucks, they haven't lost anything [although to be really anal, you could say 'The profit margin on the returned product was 10%, and that on the product you bought was 20%, so they did lose' but that's getting picky.]
 
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