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Love him or hate him John Cena has become the face of the WWE.​

I don't know if this guy is fellating Vince, Pat Patterson, or both, but he's known how played his cards into the main event spot, and at age 30 he doesn't look like he's leaving anytime soon.​

John Cena originally dominated the OVW as The Prototype and looked to have a promising career ahead of him. An excellent debut match with Kurt Angle showed that this Cena kid could go, but the fans just didn't get him.​

Not long after Cena would be sattled with what appeared to be a dead-end "rapper gimmick" a knock-off of Eminem that was five years too late. Yet for some reason, Cena found a way to make it work. Much like the Undertaker, John Cena took one of the most ridiculous gimmicks and made it more profitable than almost anything that came before him.​

Cena's rise to the top was quick, and Vince quickly turned him babyface. That's where the problems began. Instead of letting the fans truly take to Cena and push him to the moon, Vince had decided he'd seen enough and was going to shove John Cena down every fan's throat until they excepted him as their Lord and wrestling savior. The fans quickly told Vince that they'd Cena-nuff, but to no avail.​

Regardless of being boo'd out of the arena in both Chicago for Wrestlemania 22, and Detroit (yours truly started a huge fuck YOU CENA chant) for Wrestlemania 23, John Cena has won the 2008 Royal Rumble and will main event and inevitably win the WWE Title at WM 24.​

Wrestling's smarks have long clamored for a logical Cena heel turn, that will seemingly never happen. As a long-time WWE fan, I can't help but be annoyed by a guy who has prety much followed in Goldberg's footsteps to becoming an undeserving champion; however, I cannot fault John Cena the man for where he has is at. I've watching enough dvd's to know that John Cena has busted his ass off to get where he is at. I also know that John Cena will do anything and put his body on the line for the WWE, so for that I salute him. Sadly, John Cena the character I'd love to see done away with for good.​

Regardless, love it or not, you better learn to accept it, because Cena isn't going anywhere anytime soon.​
 
ZL's turning heel! :lol:

From the other thread:

[quote name='JaytheGamefan']Because Cena makes WWE a TON of money regardless of whether or not you like him/WISH DEATH UPON SOMEONE WHO RISKS HIS LIFE IN THE RING IN EVERY MATCH.[/QUOTE]

He risks his health and well being, not his life. Very few people genuinely harm themselves tremendously in a single match relative to the number of wrestlers there are. We can name Owen Hart, or Droz, or Hayabusa, or Alan Funk...but let's be honest; you could say the same thing about a number of professions. If you do things the right way, you'll stay healthy. If you screw up, you get hurt. That's as true of a fry cook as it is of a professional wrestler.

I'd like to know more about who you are as a result of your perpetual optimism and defense of the current wrestling product. Are you just a longtime fan or do you have more history than that?

Cena represents the kind of person who says "Yes, sir," "No, sir," and "how high would you like me to jump, sir" in the face of a corporation. He doesn't rock the boat, he settles for mediocrity and capitulation. It's the same reason people despise, say, The Pussycat Dolls and respect Radiohead, or despise Rachel Ray and adore Anthony Bourdain or Gordon Ramsay. People who are individuals and pioneers, and not paperthin representatives of what corporations decide is best for us. It's the very same reason Tomko looks like a million bucks on "Global Impact," yet the actual "Impact" product and characters are so sickening. I think even you can see that. (it's also the reason Samoa Joe's work/shoot character is so mundane - you can see how contrived it is - and why the Matt Hardy/Edge feud was so hot, at least for a minute - and also why it went cold so fuckin' quickly).
 
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Now that i think about it.. a friend had told me he spotted cena in ny earlier in the week.... but i would of never guessed he was returning already
 
Cena hate is sad and yet also very amusing. I'd say that Cena (and every other wrestler, for that matter) risks their life - look at the ones that have ended in the ring, and suffered career-ending injuries. NO ONE deserves death wished upon them, especially when they're part of such a death-filled profession like pro wrestling.

guyver's post reminded me that WM is in Orlando - perhaps WWE's worried about 'Mania not selling out, so they had Cena come back as a "sure thing" to sell it out.
 
[quote name='Poor2More']I cant believe he is back already and he won the Royal Rumble tonight, man I cant stand him[/quote]

Don't worry...huge heel turn tomorrow









hopefully
 
I'm guessing Big Show didn't show up at the Rumble like I thought he would?

Other than Cena, who else randomly showed up that wasn't previously announced?
 
[quote name='xcoax']Other than Cena, who else randomly showed up that wasn't previously announced?[/quote]

Piper and Snuka... you can ask why, and I cannot tell you.
 
[quote name='xcoax']I'm guessing Big Show didn't show up at the Rumble like I thought he would?

Other than Cena, who else randomly showed up that wasn't previously announced?[/quote]

No Big Show. The surprises this year was Snuka and then Piper came out right after him. Cena at number 30 was also a surprise.
 
[quote name='JJSP']For the love of God, I pray that Cena tears a quad.[/quote]

i hope you tear a quad, this is basic thuganomics
 
[quote name='mykevermin']He risks his health and well being, not his life. Very few people genuinely harm themselves tremendously in a single match relative to the number of wrestlers there are. We can name Owen Hart, or Droz, or Hayabusa, or Alan Funk...but let's be honest; you could say the same thing about a number of professions. If you do things the right way, you'll stay healthy. If you screw up, you get hurt. That's as true of a fry cook as it is of a professional wrestler.[/quote]

Mango? Or Kiwi, or whatever he was. What'd he do?
 
[quote name='mykevermin']

He risks his health and well being, not his life. Very few people genuinely harm themselves tremendously in a single match relative to the number of wrestlers there are. We can name Owen Hart, or Droz, or Hayabusa, or Alan Funk...but let's be honest; you could say the same thing about a number of professions. If you do things the right way, you'll stay healthy. If you screw up, you get hurt. That's as true of a fry cook as it is of a professional wrestler.

Cena represents the kind of person who says "Yes, sir," "No, sir," and "how high would you like me to jump, sir" in the face of a corporation. He doesn't rock the boat, he settles for mediocrity and capitulation. It's the same reason people despise, say, The Pussycat Dolls and respect Radiohead, or despise Rachel Ray and adore Anthony Bourdain or Gordon Ramsay. People who are individuals and pioneers, and not paperthin representatives of what corporations decide is best for us. It's the very same reason Tomko looks like a million bucks on "Global Impact," yet the actual "Impact" product and characters are so sickening. I think even you can see that. (it's also the reason Samoa Joe's work/shoot character is so mundane - you can see how contrived it is - and why the Matt Hardy/Edge feud was so hot, at least for a minute - and also why it went cold so fuckin' quickly).[/QUOTE]

So basically, a fry cook has the same wear and tear on their body as a professional wrestler? Of course you can get hurt doing anything, but I've never seen a fry cook break their neck while just doing their job.

To the second point, Cena only represents money to the McMahon family. He's doing his job correctly I'd assume.

Right now it's just cool to hate Cena. Just like in 2002 it was cool to hate HHH, and believe me if Cena hadn't won tonight, it would've been an all-HHH 2008. At least Cena isn't the one calling his own shots. It's funny because the egomaniacs like HBK and HHH are the ones that get cheered while guys who just do their jobs get unwarranted hate.

To take it so seriously to the point where you say you want Cena to die is completely stupid. This is the same business where a naked man dances in the middle of the ring and a guy called The Boogeyman eats worms and spits them on people.
 
[quote name='ItsTrueItsTrue92']So basically, a fry cook has the same wear and tear on their body as a professional wrestler? Of course you can get hurt doing anything, but I've never seen a fry cook break their neck while just doing their job. [/quote]

Completely non-wrestling related, and it's probably pointless for me to explain this to you because you seem like an idiot, but have you ever even worked in a kitchen? I'm guessing not...

If you make a mistake, there's a good chance you're going to get burned, literally, and those burns can be really nasty. The obvious analogy that you missed here, is likewise in wrestling if you're not doing what you're supposed to and you screw up there's a good chance of getting an injury.

ZL side story/rant -
I worked in a kitchen a long time ago, and a lot of the guys there had nasty burns up and down their arms, from either their own mistakes or some other moron not paying attention. I got grazed once with a hot pan, and soon after quit because I wasn't going to get scarred by some retard that wasn't doing their job right. Didn't help that the majority of people the owner hired called English their second language (at best) so communication and avoiding accidents was even more difficult.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']


He risks his health and well being, not his life. Very few people genuinely harm themselves tremendously in a single match relative to the number of wrestlers there are. We can name Owen Hart, or Droz, or Hayabusa, or Alan Funk...but let's be honest; you could say the same thing about a number of professions. If you do things the right way, you'll stay healthy. If you screw up, you get hurt. That's as true of a fry cook as it is of a professional wrestler.



Cena represents the kind of person who says "Yes, sir," "No, sir," and "how high would you like me to jump, sir" in the face of a corporation. He doesn't rock the boat, he settles for mediocrity and capitulation. It's the same reason people despise, say, The Pussycat Dolls and respect Radiohead, or despise Rachel Ray and adore Anthony Bourdain or Gordon Ramsay. People who are individuals and pioneers, and not paperthin representatives of what corporations decide is best for us. It's the very same reason Tomko looks like a million bucks on "Global Impact," yet the actual "Impact" product and characters are so sickening. I think even you can see that. (it's also the reason Samoa Joe's work/shoot character is so mundane - you can see how contrived it is - and why the Matt Hardy/Edge feud was so hot, at least for a minute - and also why it went cold so fuckin' quickly).[/QUOTE]


A wrestler is only as good as his opponent. You can do things by the book in the ring but if the guy you work with fucks up, you get fucked up. Fry cooks don't normally work in pairs.

Now this is coming from someone who absolutely hates the Cena character but mediocrity? What you do on these boards and in real life is mediocrity. What he's doing is making sure he's set for life. Why should he rock the boat and miss out on all the money to be made to please a few fans who don't really give a shit about him to begin with? Will the fans be by his side if he becomes paralyzed? What if he happens to die in the ring? Will they support his family? Hell no.

Like I said I can't stand his character(I don't know the guy personally so i can't comment on him outside the ring)but if he was to rock the boat to please the vocal minority that would be dumb. Make millions headlining or struggle wrestling on the mid-card not making nearly as much to satisfy the nerd committee? Hmm...tough choice.
 
Oh geez, Cena won the Rumble, thats horrible. Thank common sense that I didn't waste any time or money on that pile of crap.

Well Raw had gotten not bad (it's all relative) over the last couple of weeks, guess I'll stop watching it again now.
 
[quote name='Blitz']A wrestler is only as good as his opponent. You can do things by the book in the ring but if the guy you work with fucks up, you get fucked up. Fry cooks don't normally work in pairs.

Now this is coming from someone who absolutely hates the Cena character but mediocrity? What you do on these boards and in real life is mediocrity. What he's doing is making sure he's set for life. Why should he rock the boat and miss out on all the money to be made to please a few fans who don't really give a shit about him to begin with? Will the fans be by his side if he becomes paralyzed? What if he happens to die in the ring? Will they support his family? Hell no.

Like I said I can't stand his character(I don't know the guy personally so i can't comment on him outside the ring)but if he was to rock the boat to please the vocal minority that would be dumb. Make millions headlining or struggle wrestling on the mid-card not making nearly as much to satisfy the nerd committee? Hmm...tough choice.[/QUOTE]

Name me a main event guy who didn't "rock the boat," either in their unwillingness to work with a certain wrestler, make another wrestler look good, not wanting to drop the belt, not wanting to job, or fill in the blank with your own primadonna behavior. Cena "rocking the boat" does not equal him going to the midcard; after all, look at Randy Orton's behavior over the past year, and what does he get rewarded with? A title run!

[quote name='Iron Clad Burrito']Mango? Or Kiwi, or whatever he was. What'd he do?[/QUOTE]

Sonny Siaki screwed up a moonsault and landed knee-first on Funk's face, severely injuring him. Turns out Funk made a recovery and has wrestled since, so that's nice.

I just think the "oh, they put their lives on the line every night" shit is overrated and for some strange reason strictly relegated to wrestlers (and soldiers when talking politically, but that's neither here nor there). We don't defend Tom Brady when people wish death upon him by saying "oh, he puts his life on the line every night (well, Sunday)." We don't say that about pro Basketball players, or figure skaters, gymnasts, and other athletes. Why does it suddenly mean something for wrestlers, though? I'm not buying it.

Even the Tyler Black/Brian Danielson match I watched the other night, in person, didn't convince me that anyone's life was on the line; and that was the hardest-hitting match I've seen in a year or more.

I respect what wrestlers are trained to do, but I don't engage in the sort of naive hyperbole that makes me believe this people are risking life and death more than anyone else out there.
 
I didn't like Cena at the beginning, but you gotta have respect for this guy.

Him winning the Rumble was a complete surprise. I had read an interview and he was saying that he wasn't gonna be ready for WrestleMania because of his injury. He came out of nowhere at the Rumble.


This 2 wrestling thread thing is gonna be confusing. I hope people post news and spoilers on both threads., and I hope the guy with the annoying roh posts keeps those in the orton thread.
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']Completely non-wrestling related, and it's probably pointless for me to explain this to you because you seem like an idiot, but have you ever even worked in a kitchen? I'm guessing not...
[/QUOTE]

How civil. No I've never worked in a kitchen, but I do understand the risk of getting burned.


[quote name='Zenithian Legend']If you make a mistake, there's a good chance you're going to get burned, literally, and those burns can be really nasty. The obvious analogy that you missed here, is likewise in wrestling if you're not doing what you're supposed to and you screw up there's a good chance of getting an injury.
[/QUOTE]

However, the point I was trying to make was that the risk of injury is much higher in professional wrestling than any "normal" profession. To discount that to make a point is idiotic.
 
while the rumble was awesome.. i totally expect raw to start to get totally annoying again tonight with a long cena promo.

furthermore the road to wrestlemania is going to be horrible.. there goes out wishes for a cena-less rumble.

So i wonder what they will do at no way out? where will triple h fit in the mania? even though i hate triple threat matches, i can see atleast one of the mania main events being one
 
[quote name='D_Icon']and I hope the guy with the annoying roh posts keeps those in the orton thread.[/quote]

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[quote name='Zen Davis']People need to start, "Die Cena Die!", chants. That'll force a heel turn for sure.[/quote]

That was the idea conveyed by the "fuck cena" chants heard so heavily at events such as WM23 and WM22, yet Vince has his mind made up.

Where exactly do you wear the Hogan bandana to? Church? or the gym when you're feeding the pythons? :lol:
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I wear it whenever I want to look as ridiculous as possible. Generally, this is saved for parties, or if I go to a bar/club on 80's night. Brother.
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']That was the idea conveyed by the "fuck cena" chants heard so heavily at events such as WM23 and WM22, yet Vince has his mind made up. [/quote]

I think "Die Cena Die!" will be harder to put off as just simply controversial.
 
I'm a little disappointed that "Bullet Bob" and BG James didn't win the TNA tag titles tonight.

At least if they did, then I would have concrete evidence that TNA was fuckin' up their shows on purpose.
 
Well..
1. Cena can't wrestle.
2. Orton is gonna lose at No Way Out unfortunately.
3. Orton won't be in the WM24 main event.
4. I voted Orton anyways..
 
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