Transcript of School Speech by Obama

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"The President: Hello everyone – how’s everybody doing today? I’m here with students at Wakefield High School in Arlington, Virginia. And we’ve got students tuning in from all across America, kindergarten through twelfth grade. I’m glad you all could join us today.
I know that for many of you, today is the first day of school. And for those of you in kindergarten, or starting middle or high school, it’s your first day in a new school, so it’s understandable if you’re a little nervous. I imagine there are some seniors out there who are feeling pretty good right now, with just one more year to go. And no matter what grade you’re in, some of you are probably wishing it were still summer, and you could’ve stayed in bed just a little longer this morning.
I know that feeling. When I was young, my family lived in Indonesia for a few years, and my mother didn’t have the money to send me where all the American kids went to school. So she decided to teach me extra lessons herself, Monday through Friday – at 4:30 in the morning.
Now I wasn’t too happy about getting up that early. A lot of times, I’d fall asleep right there at the kitchen table. But whenever I’d complain, my mother would just give me one of those looks and say, "This is no picnic for me either, buster."
So I know some of you are still adjusting to being back at school. But I’m here today because I have something important to discuss with you. I’m here because I want to talk with you about your education and what’s expected of all of you in this new school year.
Now I’ve given a lot of speeches about education. And I’ve talked a lot about responsibility.
I’ve talked about your teachers’ responsibility for inspiring you, and pushing you to learn.
I’ve talked about your parents’ responsibility for making sure you stay on track, and get your homework done, and don’t spend every waking hour in front of the TV or with that Xbox.
I’ve talked a lot about your government’s responsibility for setting high standards, supporting teachers and principals, and turning around schools that aren’t working where students aren’t getting the opportunities they deserve.
But at the end of the day, we can have the most dedicated teachers, the most supportive parents, and the best schools in the world – and none of it will matter unless all of you fulfill your responsibilities. Unless you show up to those schools; pay attention to those teachers; listen to your parents, grandparents and other adults; and put in the hard work it takes to succeed.
And that’s what I want to focus on today: the responsibility each of you has for your education. I want to start with the responsibility you have to yourself.
Every single one of you has something you’re good at. Every single one of you has something to offer. And you have a responsibility to yourself to discover what that is. That’s the opportunity an education can provide.
Maybe you could be a good writer – maybe even good enough to write a book or articles in a newspaper – but you might not know it until you write a paper for your English class. Maybe you could be an innovator or an inventor – maybe even good enough to come up with the next iPhone or a new medicine or vaccine – but you might not know it until you do a project for your science class. Maybe you could be a mayor or a Senator or a Supreme Court Justice, but you might not know that until you join student government or the debate team.
And no matter what you want to do with your life – I guarantee that you’ll need an education to do it. You want to be a doctor, or a teacher, or a police officer? You want to be a nurse or an architect, a lawyer or a member of our military? You’re going to need a good education for every single one of those careers. You can’t drop out of school and just drop into a good job. You’ve got to work for it and train for it and learn for it.
And this isn’t just important for your own life and your own future. What you make of your education will decide nothing less than the future of this country. What you’re learning in school today will determine whether we as a nation can meet our greatest challenges in the future.
You’ll need the knowledge and problem-solving skills you learn in science and math to cure diseases like cancer and AIDS, and to develop new energy technologies and protect our environment. You’ll need the insights and critical thinking skills you gain in history and social studies to fight poverty and homelessness, crime and discrimination, and make our nation more fair and more free. You’ll need the creativity and ingenuity you develop in all your classes to build new companies that will create new jobs and boost our economy.
We need every single one of you to develop your talents, skills and intellect so you can help solve our most difficult problems. If you don’t do that – if you quit on school – you’re not just quitting on yourself, you’re quitting on your country.
Now I know it’s not always easy to do well in school. I know a lot of you have challenges in your lives right now that can make it hard to focus on your schoolwork.
I get it. I know what that’s like. My father left my family when I was two years old, and I was raised by a single mother who struggled at times to pay the bills and wasn’t always able to give us things the other kids had. There were times when I missed having a father in my life. There were times when I was lonely and felt like I didn’t fit in.
So I wasn’t always as focused as I should have been. I did some things I’m not proud of, and got in more trouble than I should have. And my life could have easily taken a turn for the worse.
But I was fortunate. I got a lot of second chances and had the opportunity to go to college, and law school, and follow my dreams. My wife, our First Lady Michelle Obama, has a similar story. Neither of her parents had gone to college, and they didn’t have much. But they worked hard, and she worked hard, so that she could go to the best schools in this country.
Some of you might not have those advantages. Maybe you don’t have adults in your life who give you the support that you need. Maybe someone in your family has lost their job, and there’s not enough money to go around. Maybe you live in a neighborhood where you don’t feel safe, or have friends who are pressuring you to do things you know aren’t right.
But at the end of the day, the circumstances of your life – what you look like, where you come from, how much money you have, what you’ve got going on at home – that’s no excuse for neglecting your homework or having a bad attitude. That’s no excuse for talking back to your teacher, or cutting class, or dropping out of school. That’s no excuse for not trying.
Where you are right now doesn’t have to determine where you’ll end up. No one’s written your destiny for you. Here in America, you write your own destiny. You make your own future.
That’s what young people like you are doing every day, all across America.
Young people like Jazmin Perez, from Roma, Texas. Jazmin didn’t speak English when she first started school. Hardly anyone in her hometown went to college, and neither of her parents had gone either. But she worked hard, earned good grades, got a scholarship to Brown University, and is now in graduate school, studying public health, on her way to being Dr. Jazmin Perez.
I’m thinking about Andoni Schultz, from Los Altos, California, who’s fought brain cancer since he was three. He’s endured all sorts of treatments and surgeries, one of which affected his memory, so it took him much longer – hundreds of extra hours – to do his schoolwork. But he never fell behind, and he’s headed to college this fall.
And then there’s Shantell Steve, from my hometown of Chicago, Illinois. Even when bouncing from foster home to foster home in the toughest neighborhoods, she managed to get a job at a local health center; start a program to keep young people out of gangs; and she’s on track to graduate high school with honors and go on to college.
Jazmin, Andoni and Shantell aren’t any different from any of you. They faced challenges in their lives just like you do. But they refused to give up. They chose to take responsibility for their education and set goals for themselves. And I expect all of you to do the same.
That’s why today, I’m calling on each of you to set your own goals for your education – and to do everything you can to meet them. Your goal can be something as simple as doing all your homework, paying attention in class, or spending time each day reading a book. Maybe you’ll decide to get involved in an extracurricular activity, or volunteer in your community. Maybe you’ll decide to stand up for kids who are being teased or bullied because of who they are or how they look, because you believe, like I do, that all kids deserve a safe environment to study and learn. Maybe you’ll decide to take better care of yourself so you can be more ready to learn. And along those lines, I hope you’ll all wash your hands a lot, and stay home from school when you don’t feel well, so we can keep people from getting the flu this fall and winter.
Whatever you resolve to do, I want you to commit to it. I want you to really work at it.
I know that sometimes, you get the sense from TV that you can be rich and successful without any hard work -- that your ticket to success is through rapping or basketball or being a reality TV star, when chances are, you’re not going to be any of those things.
But the truth is, being successful is hard. You won’t love every subject you study. You won’t click with every teacher. Not every homework assignment will seem completely relevant to your life right this minute. And you won’t necessarily succeed at everything the first time you try.
That’s OK. Some of the most successful people in the world are the ones who’ve had the most failures. JK Rowling’s first Harry Potter book was rejected twelve times before it was finally published. Michael Jordan was cut from his high school basketball team, and he lost hundreds of games and missed thousands of shots during his career. But he once said, "I have failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed."
These people succeeded because they understand that you can’t let your failures define you – you have to let them teach you. You have to let them show you what to do differently next time. If you get in trouble, that doesn’t mean you’re a troublemaker, it means you need to try harder to behave. If you get a bad grade, that doesn’t mean you’re stupid, it just means you need to spend more time studying.
No one’s born being good at things, you become good at things through hard work. You’re not a varsity athlete the first time you play a new sport. You don’t hit every note the first time you sing a song. You’ve got to practice. It’s the same with your schoolwork. You might have to do a math problem a few times before you get it right, or read something a few times before you understand it, or do a few drafts of a paper before it’s good enough to hand in.
Don’t be afraid to ask questions. Don’t be afraid to ask for help when you need it. I do that every day. Asking for help isn’t a sign of weakness, it’s a sign of strength. It shows you have the courage to admit when you don’t know something, and to learn something new. So find an adult you trust – a parent, grandparent or teacher; a coach or counselor – and ask them to help you stay on track to meet your goals.
And even when you’re struggling, even when you’re discouraged, and you feel like other people have given up on you – don’t ever give up on yourself. Because when you give up on yourself, you give up on your country.
The story of America isn’t about people who quit when things got tough. It’s about people who kept going, who tried harder, who loved their country too much to do anything less than their best.
It’s the story of students who sat where you sit 250 years ago, and went on to wage a revolution and found this nation. Students who sat where you sit 75 years ago who overcame a Depression and won a world war; who fought for civil rights and put a man on the moon. Students who sat where you sit 20 years ago who founded Google, Twitter and Facebook and changed the way we communicate with each other.
So today, I want to ask you, what’s your contribution going to be? What problems are you going to solve? What discoveries will you make? What will a president who comes here in twenty or fifty or one hundred years say about what all of you did for this country?
Your families, your teachers, and I are doing everything we can to make sure you have the education you need to answer these questions. I’m working hard to fix up your classrooms and get you the books, equipment and computers you need to learn. But you’ve got to do your part too. So I expect you to get serious this year. I expect you to put your best effort into everything you do. I expect great things from each of you. So don’t let us down – don’t let your family or your country or yourself down. Make us all proud. I know you can do it.
Thank you, God bless you, and God bless America. "




I can now see why people are so upset with this speech. I mean, the part where he tells students "don't spend every waking hour in front of the TV or with that Xbox."

How...dare...he

But seriously, I see nothing wrong with this speech. I mean, I'm not a fan of the "god bless" stuff, but I think I'll live. Hell, it might make classes a little shorter for the day.
 
What's horrible is that it takes the president of the frigging country to tell kids that when it should be coming from their own parents.
 
[quote name='JolietJake']What's horrible is that it takes the president of the frigging country to tell kids that when it should be coming from their own parents.[/QUOTE]

Yup. The kids who need to actually listen to this are the ones that won't. The kids who already know it are the ones that will pay attention.
 
I know some people subscribe to the "it takes a village" idea of raising kids, but it shouldn't take the president to tell the kids to go outside and play.
 
People were worried, as there are a lot of paranoid partisan idiots out there who assumed he'd be using the speech to brainwash kids into supporting liberal ideas.

And yes it's said that this kind of message is needed from the president, but that's just how shitty US society is. Priorities are all mixed up, too many people with kids who have no business (and often no interest) in being parents etc.
 
Oh the HORROR.

Stay in school? Do your homework? You can't bank on becoming famous on a reality TV show? You get out of life what you put into it? Even great champions still fail, but used those failures to better themselves and learn from their mistakes?

Damned socialist librul fascist Nazi pigtalk, that's what this is!
 
[quote name='Strell']Oh the HORROR.

Stay in school? Do your homework? You can't bank on becoming famous on a reality TV show? You get out of life what you put into it? Even great champions still fail, but used those failures to better themselves and learn from their mistakes?

Damned socialist librul fascist Nazi pigtalk, that's what this is![/QUOTE]

Obama iz n ur skoolz, indoktrinatn ur chldrnz
 
^ Text of Bush Sr.'s speech below.

http://bushlibrary.tamu.edu/research/public_papers.php?id=3450&year=1991&month=10

More or less the same thing as Obama's speech. The question, then, becomes this: does it make it right or fair or proper to create a faux outrage as an act of revenge? Are we so insistent upon playing "gotcha!" games that we have to hold a grudge for 18 years and strike in a similarly stupid fashion?

Is it justifiable to act like a bunch of goddamned idiots because some people you don't agree with did it to you almost two decades ago?
 
I still think the speech is overwhelmingly worthless but I am glad to see he kept it free of politics. It still has a slight message of responsibility to the state but really no kids are going to listen anyway or get it so what's the difference.

A speech isn't going to solve dropout rates, even if the speech is given by our dear leader.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']^ Text of Bush Sr.'s speech below.

http://bushlibrary.tamu.edu/research/public_papers.php?id=3450&year=1991&month=10

More or less the same thing as Obama's speech. The question, then, becomes this: does it make it right or fair or proper to create a faux outrage as an act of revenge? Are we so insistent upon playing "gotcha!" games that we have to hold a grudge for 18 years and strike in a similarly stupid fashion?

Is it justifiable to act like a bunch of goddamned idiots because some people you don't agree with did it to you almost two decades ago?[/QUOTE]

The opposing side is always going to complain about speeches aimed at the children, even if the message is the same. Whether it's hypocritical or not doesn't matter since we're basically stuck going around in circles. My advice is to not even bother with it.
 
I don't see it as revenge, I just think it's the natural reaction that each side has in showing disdain for their opponents. I only point it out because I find it amusing that both sides have such short memories, getting "outraged" at the reaction to something their side does when they fail to remember that they acted exactly the same way they are condemning now when they had the opportunity. The cycle continues...

[quote name='mykevermin']^ Text of Bush Sr.'s speech below.

http://bushlibrary.tamu.edu/research/public_papers.php?id=3450&year=1991&month=10

More or less the same thing as Obama's speech. The question, then, becomes this: does it make it right or fair or proper to create a faux outrage as an act of revenge? Are we so insistent upon playing "gotcha!" games that we have to hold a grudge for 18 years and strike in a similarly stupid fashion?

Is it justifiable to act like a bunch of goddamned idiots because some people you don't agree with did it to you almost two decades ago?[/QUOTE]
 
I think it's lame that some districts banned the speech. But I also don't think watching it should be mandatory.

Give the kids a damn choice: "You wanna hear what our President has to day? If not, sit your ass in the library and study."

Damn, maybe I should get into the Primary Education system.... But then I'd take a hefty paycut.


Edit: It's also kind of lame how worried people get about a presidential speech indoctrinates or brainwashes. Many (maybe most) teachers already do this. They bring their political baggage to the classroom, don't tell me they don't.
 
They don't need to bring it, the brainwashing takes place in the things that pass for facts in schools.

How many times were you taught in school that Columbus discovered America? It's not even that it was thought that was the case, it's just what were supposed to be taught.
 
It's a good speech. And this "outrage" is a load of bollocks. Since when are "personal responsibility" and "perseverance" liberal notions? Does reality still have a liberal bias?
 
If anyone gets a chance they should check out howard sterns show today. He went off on a tangent about the people who were railing against the president giving a speech.

It was good radio and was nice to hear some sense brought to the issue from a major media outlet.
 
"Is it justifiable to act like a bunch of goddamned idiots because some people you don't agree with did it to you almost two decades ago?"

Based on the number of Republicans that voted 'no' on an extremely qualified SCOTUS nominee a month or two ago, I would say, yes, they think it is justifiable (even though it happened to them only four years ago.)
 
Look - I'm 22. In middle school we had to suffer through this crap called Channel 1. Each day in home room at 2:30pm we had to turn on the TV and watch a horrible news channel geared towards "us". It was forced to have it on. You could choose to do your homework, or talk to females, or sneak food into your mouth...but that TV had to be on!

Any parent that withheld their child from class due to "brainwashing" should be slapped silly. That child could have watched, or talked to females/males, or did homework.

I'm tired of the underlining hate being pushed upon Obama....it's sickening.
 
My understanding was that the problem wasn't so much with the speech (at least not since he released the transcript), but with the proposed lesson plan that contained questions such as "How can I help (serve? I've heard both words paraphrased) the president". I like the speech, the lesson plan is stupid though. Schools don't seem to encourage free thought, and the ones that come up with answers like "I don't want to help him I don't like Obama" will be considered disobedient.
 
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[quote name='JolietJake']What's horrible is that it takes the president of the frigging country to tell kids that when it should be coming from their own parents.[/QUOTE]
Yes because someone who is a giant role model to a bunch of kids shouldn't use his influence to help out society! :roll:

Especially since he's an enormous influence towards black children who happen to have a higher rate of school drop outs in the united states compared to white children.

I see where you're coming from, but I don't think this speech was meant as a substitute for parenting. I just think this speech was meant to encourage kids; nothing more nothing less.
 
[quote name='spmahn']My understanding was that the problem wasn't so much with the speech (at least not since he released the transcript), but with the propsed lesson plan that contained questions such as "How can I help (serve? I've heard both words paraphrased) the president". I like the speech, the lesson plam is stupid though. Schools dont seem to encourage free thought, and the ones that come up with answers like "I dont want to help him I dont like Obama" will be considered disobedient.[/QUOTE]

This is what I remember hearing about as well. The speech was great and I don't remember reading many articles ragging on the speech. It was the lesson plan discussion afterwards that had folk up in arms.
 
[quote name='Ryukahn']This is what I remember hearing about as well. The speech was great and I don't remember reading many articles ragging on the speech. It was the lesson plan discussion afterwards that had folk up in arms.[/QUOTE]

So anyone have a copy of the lesson plan?
 
[quote name='mykevermin']^ Text of Bush Sr.'s speech below.

http://bushlibrary.tamu.edu/research/public_papers.php?id=3450&year=1991&month=10

More or less the same thing as Obama's speech. The question, then, becomes this: does it make it right or fair or proper to create a faux outrage as an act of revenge? Are we so insistent upon playing "gotcha!" games that we have to hold a grudge for 18 years and strike in a similarly stupid fashion?

Is it justifiable to act like a bunch of goddamned idiots because some people you don't agree with did it to you almost two decades ago?[/QUOTE]

I couldn't tell you why, but I actually have a faint memory of watching this, I think I was probably in first grade at the time. My parents are just about the most liberal people on the planet, and somehow I doubt they considered holding me out of school that day.
 
[quote name='xycury']So anyone have a copy of the lesson plan?[/QUOTE]

It came from the same fantasy land where Glen Beck is a rapist and Obama was born in Kenya.
 
Yeah I don't think there was any lesson plan, and the outrage I was seeing on the local news didn't mention it. Though I'm sure it was mentioned by some idiots somewhere.

It was just parents bitching about spending school time on politics, or thinking Obama would try to brain wash kids about health care and other liberal ideas.
 
[quote name='depascal22']It came from the same fantasy land where Glen Beck is a rapist and Obama was born in Kenya.[/QUOTE]
:roll:

What seems to be drawing the most ire are optional preparatory materials from the Department of Education asking students to "Write letters to themselves about what they can do to help the president."

That has now been changed for students to "Write letters to themselves about how they can achieve their short-term and long-term education goals"
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalp...m-showing-presidential-address-next-week.html

I guess you are living in a fantasy land.
 
In the context of the speech, it's not that bad. How can you help the President and America climb out of the sad educational hole that we're in now?

Kids could write that they want to form independent study groups or provide more tutoring for younger kids.

Everyone assumed that it would asking how you can help the President pass health care reform. Problem is, that makes no sense. How can kids that can't vote do anything to pass political agendas?

Please get your head out of your asses and stop assuming that the President is just out to get America and turn this into the USSR. It's fearmongering at it's worst.
 
I have never thought Obama was a closet communist or even socialist for that matter. But I do think deep down he wants to transform the country into something quite a bit different than it ever has been or is.
 
[quote name='depascal22']In the context of the speech, it's not that bad. How can you help the President and America climb out of the sad educational hole that we're in now? [/QUOTE]
That's not what it said. It was probably just poorly worded, but it said:
"Write letters to themselves about what they can do to help the president."
Kids could write that they want to form independent study groups or provide more tutoring for younger kids.
Everyone assumed that it would asking how you can help the President pass health care reform. Problem is, that makes no sense. How can kids that can't vote do anything to pass political agendas?
Kids influence their parents more than you think.
Please get your head out of your asses and stop assuming that the President is just out to get America and turn this into the USSR. It's fearmongering at it's worst.
I was thinking more like the Weimar Republic, or Argentina about 7 years ago, not the USSR. If you don't think that could happen here, you're wrong.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/1970198.stm
 
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[quote name='IRHari']what is this beckscrement thrustbucket? proofnao plz thrustbucket.[/QUOTE]

socialist.jpg
 
ah thanks, im convinced now.

I think Barack Obama is a cool guy, eh pals around with terrorists and doesnt afraid of anything.
 
[quote name='fullmetalfan720']That's not what it said. It was probably just poorly worded, but it said:

Kids influence their parents more than you think.
I was thinking more like the Weimar Republic, or Argentina about 7 years ago, not the USSR. If you don't think that could happen here, you're wrong.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/1970198.stm[/QUOTE]

Really? The Weimar Republic? So now Obama is our Hitler figure that will take us out of 10,000% inflation (inflation isn't anywhere near that...yet), will repair our national image after getting militarily whipped in a World War (Iraq and Afghanistan aren't even close), and will appeal to our fierce nationalistic tendencies (Obama is a polarizing figure if anything)?

Is Obama secretly building a Navy and large mechanized Army in defiance of the Treaty of Versailles? Is Obama secretly lobbying President Woodrow Wilson to not get America to join the League of Nations?

If anything, America has made more friends abroad and less at home. It's the exact opposite of the Weimar Republic but, hey, believe what you want and let conservative talk radio make your talking points for you.

You just linked to an article that said Argentina had hyperinflation but there's no explanation as to WHY.

Here's a better article for the Argentian crisis and it was only one click away: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/1721061.stm

Seems that while everyone's currencies devalued in the 90's the peso stayed pegged to the dollar. Argentinian exports became so expensive compared to Brazil's and Uruguay's, that Argentina could no longer compete economically. You could say that our situation with China is very similar but we're not tied to their currency so it's not really an apt comparison.
 
[quote name='depascal22']Really? The Weimar Republic? So now Obama is our Hitler figure that will take us out of 10,000% inflation (inflation isn't anywhere near that...yet), will repair our national image after getting militarily whipped in a World War (Iraq and Afghanistan aren't even close), and will appeal to our fierce nationalistic tendencies (Obama is a polarizing figure if anything)?

Is Obama secretly building a Navy and large mechanized Army in defiance of the Treaty of Versailles? Is Obama secretly lobbying President Woodrow Wilson to not get America to join the League of Nations?

If anything, America has made more friends abroad and less at home. It's the exact opposite of the Weimar Republic but, hey, believe what you want and let conservative talk radio make your talking points for you.

You just linked to an article that said Argentina had hyperinflation but there's no explanation as to WHY.

Here's a better article for the Argentian crisis and it was only one click away: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/1721061.stm

Seems that while everyone's currencies devalued in the 90's the peso stayed pegged to the dollar. Argentinian exports became so expensive compared to Brazil's and Uruguay's, that Argentina could no longer compete economically. You could say that our situation with China is very similar but we're not tied to their currency so it's not really an apt comparison.[/QUOTE]
I'm talking about the fact that Obama's administration is spending too much money, and creating too much money, to the point where it may end up worthless. Other presidents have also done this, but never to the extent Obama is. As a result the dollar is failing, and there is a very real prospect of hyperinflation in America.
 
[quote name='fullmetalfan720']Other presidents have also done this, but never to the extent Obama is. [/QUOTE]

I remember how all those other presidents dealt with the remains of the Bush administration. I think Jimmy Carter shot himself in the nuts with a flare gun. JFK started fuckin' even the fat chicks.
 
[quote name='Strell']I remember how all those other presidents dealt with the remains of the Bush administration. I think Jimmy Carter shot himself in the nuts with a flare gun. JFK started fuckin' even the fat chicks.[/QUOTE]

Wait. So you are saying that because of Bush, Obama is forced to spend like a drunken sailor to fix it? Like, he has no other choice?

Remember that most of everything Bush did that was expensive was nearly always backed by Democrats, and even Obama - especially towards the end.
 
The point is Obama took over in a huge financial crisis that had required even Bush to spend a ton of money to get out of.

The financial stimulus was largely forced on him, as further action was need to prevent a depression. And all I've read lately from economists has indicated that it likely work, and if anything it should have been larger to stop the recession sooner and get it out of trouble fast.

And that's been really the only big spending. Health care is being sold as a plan that can't add to the deficit or Obama won't sign it, and the bill must require cuts be made in other areas to pay for any costs that go over budget.

We'll see if those hold true, but I haven't seen a lot of free spending by Obama, outside of the Stimulus and the two wars which were all problems he inherited and the same type of spending would have been done by McCain had he won IMO. Their hands were forced by the economic crisis.
 
thrust doesn't want to hear that Obama is in an bad position. He's a bad socialist and we should be very angry that he wants to do things that might put us in a better position. It's much better to just lower taxes and let people sort these things out for themselves. You know, because big business always does what's better for America right? Average Americans are all about helping out their neighbor right? They might not have health care but they will have someone that will comfort them as they die right?
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']The point is Obama took over in a huge financial crisis that had required even Bush to spend a ton of money to get out of.[/quote]
It didn't require anything. It's a bubble bursting. By putting trillions of dollars toward "fixing" it, you are just inflating a bigger bubble.
The financial stimulus was largely forced on him, as further action was need to prevent a depression.
No. You are completely wrong. There is going to be a depression BECAUSE we spend so damn much money. What did we get for these trillions? Unemployment is higher than Obama's projections. SIX MILLION people will enter foreclosure this year. Meanwhile, Wall Street is doing great because they just got trillions in bailouts. You don't seem to notice that we are going to have another crisis on our hands soon, the collapse of the commercial real estate bubble. What are we going to do then, spend more money?
And all I've read lately from economists has indicated that it likely work,
I'm sure that all the "economists" that you heard this from are crackpots. They are probably the same idiots who were saying "there's no crisis, don't worry," last year and the year before. They get everything wrong, and yet you still listen to them?
and if anything it should have been larger to stop the recession sooner and get it out of trouble fast.
LARGER? Do you want to bankrupt the country, and kill the dollar? The dollar is already weak enough from the creation of so many of them, and you think we should create some more? Have fun when your money is worthless. Where's the money going to go? The bastards who caused all this. IT'S A SCAM! They gamble away all their money, and then go to Washington for more. Meanwhile, you get completely fucked over.

And that's been really the only big spending.
When you are spending trillions on some crooks that tends to be a big problem.
Health care is being sold as a plan that can't add to the deficit or Obama won't sign it, and the bill must require cuts be made in other areas to pay for any costs that go over budget.
We'll see if those hold true, but I haven't seen a lot of free spending by Obama, outside of the Stimulus and the two wars which were all problems he inherited and the same type of spending would have been done by McCain had he won IMO.
I don't care about McCain. I am opposed to robbing the people of this country to pay for Wall Street's gambles. I don't care than Obama inherited these problems from Bush, he didn't need to continue his failures. Yet he did.
Their hands were forced by the economic crisis.
Bullshit. We were told by the Wall Street mafia that if we didn't give them money, everything would collapse, and there would be martial law in America, and all this fear mongering bullshit. I wish would would let these bastards fail. Might finally get rid of the scum in America that screws everyone else over.
 
It's easy to have that attitude when you're some conspiracy theory crackpot living in mommy's basement who has no money to speak of, no job to worry about being laid off from, much less money invested in the stock market. You thus have no problem with letting the "bubble" burst and watching the "haves" lose everything while your "never had anything and never will" as sits in the basement and laughs.
 
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[quote name='dmaul1114']It's easy to have that attitude when you're some conspiracy theory crackpot living in mommy's basement who has no money to speak of, no job to worry about being laid off from, much less money invested in the stock market. You thus have no problem with letting the "bubble" burst and watching the "haves" lose everything while your "never had anything and never will" as sits in the basement and laughs.[/QUOTE]
Wow, you have nothing but attacks on me. You are being openly scammed by crooks on Wall Street, but you won't admit it to yourself. Grow up. This isn't some conspiracy theory. Wall Street is robbing this country blind. They made bad loans, which went bad, and came up with all kinds of schemes and scams, and now they are going to have the American taxpayer foot the bill. I can't help it that you and all the other suckers bought into their scam, and are going to get screwed over. There is no reason why we should be giving trillions of dollars to crooks, scam artists and con men. These people are the modern equivalent of the mafia, but they just come up with fancy names for scams.
It's easy to have that attitude when you're some conspiracy theory crackpot living in mommy's basement who has no money to speak of, no job to worry about being laid off from,
Personal attacks: The last refuge of a man with no argument
much less money invested in the stock market.
I keep my money out of scams and instead in real assets that have held their value for thousands of years.
You thus have no problem with letting the "bubble" burst
It is a bubble. Everyone knows that. It's called the residential real estate bubble. Bubbles have to burst. It's how the market works.
and watching the "haves" lose everything while your "never had anything and never will" as sits in the basement and laughs.
Again with the personal attacks. You have to realize you are being scammed. All these people who fall victim to ponzi schemes say the same thing as you. They think the thing they invested in is real. It isn't. It's a scam. If we would have just let Goldman, AIG, and all the other bastards fail, we would simply be getting rid of the crooks. I guess you don't want that?
 
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