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WV Matsui said:
My Kinect isn't shinining a fucking light at me! Glad you always attack me not the issue that I bring up...
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Shinning a light at you? Really?, C'mon son. All I'm trying to say is that the Kinect can't be turned off either and that might be annoying to some people as well, but you never seem to mention that when you're hyping it up like you're on the payroll or something. That being said, I think its pretty dumb that the light bar can't be turned off and I would be shocked if Sony doesn't do something about it. And stop being so defensive I'm not attacking you, we're all friends here...execpt for Timbo, I don't like that guy. :lol:

 
ShockandAww said:
What sense does that even make? Have they said anything about that? Unreal.
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Exactly. I thought the whole point of making the Kinect 2.0 mandatory is to have 100% install base, according to WV Matsui and Timbo. So if you turn the damn thing off that sort of defeats the purpose of having it in 100% of everyone's house. Moreover, if they incorporate the Kinect 2.0 into games, you might not be able to turn it off if there are mandatory Kinect controls in the game you are playing.

 
Gamer4life88 said:
Shinning a light at you? Really?, C'mon son. All I'm trying to say is that the Kinect can't be turned off either and that might be annoying to some people as well, but you never seem to mention that when you're hyping it up like you're on the payroll or something. That being said, I think its pretty dumb that the light bar can't be turned off and I would be shocked if Sony doesn't do something about it. And stop being so defensive I'm not attacking you, we're all friends here...execpt for Timbo, I don't like that guy. :lol:
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omg kinect has to be on t play xbox one im going to bash the thing. With that said i have no problem with u.s government reading my text messages and what i do on internet and hear my phone calls that is all cool with me  :bouncy:

 
OMG here we go...



You really think it's 100% off if it's listening. Please explain how it is.

no electronic system these days is 100 percent off unless you fully unplug it :bouncy:



Smart power surge?
 
if xbox one was 400 bucks people would be like omg you get kinect with the xbox for that price what a amazing thing and great choice for them to include it. price at 500 = kinect sucks worst thing ever made i hate kinect.

 
if xbox one was 400 bucks people would be like omg you get kinect with the xbox for that price what a amazing thing and great choice for them to include it. price at 500 = kinect sucks worst thing ever made i hate kinect.



Exactly!
 
TimboSliceGB said:
far more things to worry about in this world then if kinect has to be connected to xbox one to play games
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Most asinine post in this thread. Of course there are tons of things to worry about in the world over video games, so why should we even bother to post in here at all. We may as well talk about world hunger or peace in the middle east. Hold that, last time I checked this is a video game forum. Okay, I am in the right place. Sheez.

 
Mr. Las Vegas said:
Most asinine post in this thread. Of course there are tons of things to worry about in the world over video games, so why should we even bother to post in here at all. We may as well talk about world hunger or peace in the middle east. Hold that, last time I checked this is a video game forum. Okay, I am in the right place. Sheez.
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i was talking about how people are freaking out about having kinect on while playing xbox one but yet they have labtops and desktops that have cams connected 24/7 and their cellphones

 
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i was talking about how people are freaking out about having kinect on while playing xbox one but yet they have labtops and desktops that have cams connected 24/7 and their cellphones



You don't know if they are same way about those devices.

Let's face it. If the Xbox 1 is plugged in then the Kinect is never truly off, because it is listening.
 
TimboSliceGB said:
if xbox one was 400 bucks people would be like omg you get kinect with the xbox for that price what a amazing thing and great choice for them to include it. price at 500 = kinect sucks worst thing ever made i hate kinect.
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You obviously haven't been reading the posts in this thread. There is a significant number of gamers who don't want motion controls forced upon them at all. The $100 price difference only exacerbates the problem. Not only are these gamers being being forced to use the damn thing, but they are also being told it will cost them more (than it should, at least in their eyes since it should be optional) as a result, and they can't disable the thing even if there are no motion controls in the game they are playing. It's not rocket science (pun intended).

 
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You obviously haven't been reading the posts in this thread. There is a significant number of gamers who don't want motion controls forced upon them at all. The $100 price difference only exacerbates the problem. Not only are these gamers being being forced to use the damn thing, but they are also being told it will cost them more (than it should, at least in their eyes since it should be optional) as a result, and they can't disable the thing even if there are no motion controls in the game they are playing. It's not rocket science (pun intended).
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how is people being forced to use the thing? all it has to do is be plugged into the system what if the thing was built into the box it self. you can still use the xbox one controller to do everything just like xbox 360. Yes im not a fan of the extra price for the thing but what to say xbox one would not still be 500 without the kinect.

 
i even hear people saying they are not buying a ps4 because they have to have ps plus to play online. video gaming industry seems like it has the biggest amounts of spoiled people that never like change then any kind of industry. Lets face it just because ps eye is not packaged in now with the system don't mean year or two down the road games on ps4 require you to have ps eye to play some of the game. Motion gaming is here to stay.

 
TimboSliceGB said:
how is people being forced to use the thing? all it has to do is be plugged into the system what if the thing was built into the box it self. you can still use the xbox one controller to do everything just like xbox 360. Yes im not a fan of the extra price for the thing but what to say xbox one would not still be 500 without the kinect.
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Umm, I don't know, maybe because you can't disconnect it?

Even if you are not using it for controls in a game, you are being forced to use it because it has be connected to the console. It's like requiring that you buy 4 controllers (3 of which you may never use) with a console and requiring that you have all 4 plugged in order to use the console.

And who cares about the PS4. Stop obsessing and get over it already. It's like you and WV Matsui have to counter any criticism of the XBone by turning to the PS4 and some perceived flaw in it, rather than address the issues as to the XBone.

 
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Mr. Las Vegas said:
It's like you and WV Matsui have to counter any criticism of the XBone by turning to the PS4 and some perceived flaw in it, rather than address the issues as to the XBone.
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Not even counter these days. Matsui started up all this arguing tonight with a completely random PS4 post. As if trying to goad others into arguing with him because there was a lull in this thread. Strange for a guy who I've seen on multiple occasions telling those who were off topic and talking about the PS4 to go over to the PS4 thread.

This thread has always been argument central but now it's just a waste of time. Just rename it Timbo and Matsui argue with everyone over everything.

 
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TimboSliceGB said:
i was talking about how people are freaking out about having kinect on while playing xbox one but yet they have labtops and desktops that have cams connected 24/7 and their cellphones
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Is it even fair to compare a 2MP web cam on a laptop, and a smartphone camera to a Kinect 2.0?

Features of Kinect 2.0

  • it can see in the dark
  • recognize your voice
  • lock on to your voice even with loud background noise
  • recognize your face to sign you in
  • being able to tell how many people in a room
  • 1080p wide angle time of flight camera to measure distance/depth
  • processes 2 gigabits of data per second to read its environment
  • 60% wider field of vision that can detect a user up to 3 feet from the sensor
  • It can also detect a player's heart rate
  • facial expression
  • 25 individual joints (even thumbs) and the precise rotation of such joints
  • the weight put on each limb
  • the speed of your movements
  • track gestures performed with a standard controller.
On the front side of DUALSHOCK 4 is a light bar with LED that illuminate in various colors to match the color of the character in a game as a simple way to identify players. The colors can also provide useful information to players, such as when their character has taken damage during a game.
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Light bar will come in handy during co-op sessions with multiple controllers when friends are over. I do agree that Sony should offer the ability to disable the light bar. But that should be something they can easily do via a firmware update down the road. Nothing that is major enough that would prevent someone from buying a PS4 since you can literally tape up the light bar if it is really distracting.

 
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htz said:
Light bar will come in handy during co-op sessions with multiple controllers when friends are over. I do agree that Sony should offer the ability to disable the light bar. But that should be something they can easily do via a firmware update down the road. Nothing that is major enough that would prevent someone from buying a PS4 since you can literally tape up the light bar if it is really distracting.
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I agree a firmware update should be able to resolve the issue. If the color, and brightness can be manipulated by the system, then there is no reason why it can't turn it off. I also wonder what percentage of TVs are glossy, because if you have a matte screen this won't even be an issue.

 
Matsui, do you work for MS or a company that is contracted out to by ms or in any way associated with the company? Seriously, not a joke - real question. Your unflinching devotion seems strange.
 
Blaster man said:
Matsui, do you work for MS or a company that is contracted out to by ms or in any way associated with the company? Seriously, not a joke - real question. Your unflinching devotion seems strange.
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Seriously wondered this also. Employee, investor, family employed by MS...anything at all?

Edit: No ties to the NSA? None at all?? ;)

 
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my lord are the sony boys still in here nitpicking a console they were never going to buy? lol guess you need something to do while you wait (and hope) for more PS4 exclusives to be announced

htz said:
Light bar will come in handy during co-op sessions with multiple controllers when friends are over. I do agree that Sony should offer the ability to disable the light bar. But that should be something they can easily do via a firmware update down the road. Nothing that is major enough that would prevent someone from buying a PS4 since you can literally tape up the light bar if it is really distracting.
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in those terms couldn't you just tape up kinect if it really bothers you that much?

its ridiculous how much is made of kinect "being forced to be connected" then again these are the same people who would be praising Sony's kinect knock off if it was included with the PS4

 
Blaster man said:
Matsui, do you work for MS or a company that is contracted out to by ms or in any way associated with the company? Seriously, not a joke - real question. Your unflinching devotion seems strange.
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Not just devotion, but going out of his way to try and make something out of nothing for PS4 (no camera including, light staying on controller). Not to mention repeatedly basically saying that if we don't have anything nice to say, we shouldn't say anything at all...

 
Dark Lord Greg said:
my lord are the sony boys still in here nitpicking a console they were never going to buy? lol guess you need something to do while you wait (and hope) for more PS4 exclusives to be announced

in those terms couldn't you just tape up kinect if it really bothers you that much?

its ridiculous how much is made of kinect "being forced to be connected" then again these are the same people who would be praising Sony's kinect knock off if it was included with the PS4
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I really don't give a shit about Kinect being "off", I care that it's a bad gaming device and if history is any indicator, a pretty bad input device as well. I don't think too highly of the eye either so yes I'm happy that I'm not going to be paying for that when I do get a PS4.

 
Dark Lord Greg said:
my lord are the sony boys still in here nitpicking a console they were never going to buy? lol guess you need something to do while you wait (and hope) for more PS4 exclusives to be announced

in those terms couldn't you just tape up kinect if it really bothers you that much?

its ridiculous how much is made of kinect "being forced to be connected" then again these are the same people who would be praising Sony's kinect knock off if it was included with the PS4
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We don't know whether it'll work taped up/blocked/turned around (I don't think). If it does that's half my problem with it solved but it can still hear.

And those must be different people complaining about Kinect. I have zero interest in the PS eye unless something amazing comes out for it. Kinect looks to be a much better device.

 
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Dark Lord Greg said:
my lord are the sony boys still in here nitpicking a console they were never going to buy? lol guess you need something to do while you wait (and hope) for more PS4 exclusives to be announced
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Hope? It's already been confirmed there are more exclusives lined up for the PS4 than the X1. Hell, Gamescom is going to be a big event for Sony and let's not forget Tokyo Game Show.

Xbox has already shown the majority of their exclusives. PS4? Not so much. Try again "microsoft boy"

 
Blaster man said:
Matsui, do you work for MS or a company that is contracted out to by ms or in any way associated with the company? Seriously, not a joke - real question. Your unflinching devotion seems strange.
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I've actually wondered the exact same thing, but I didn't want to ask :v
 
The attempt to make the PS4 controller light an issue is comical. The damn thing is on the underside of the controller. You're not even gonna see it when it's sitting in your lap.

Same for the "people are hypocrites because, laptops, cell phones, derp..." Anyone that can't distinguish between the always on Kinect camera and those should just back away from the keyboard.


Dark Lord Greg said:
its ridiculous how much is made of kinect "being forced to be connected" then again these are the same people who would be praising Sony's kinect knock off if it was included with the PS4
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Uh, no? Price difference aside, I don't care if either company includes it in the box. I don't want to be forced to connect either if I don't play those types of games. It's like forcing everyone to connect a guitar controller every time you turn on your system even if you never play a Guitar Hero or Rock Band game. Sounds preposterous right? It's the same for making me connect a camera if I'm not using it, it's preposterous.

It also has nothing to do with MS or Sony like you insinuate. I'm an xbox guy, or was until the Xbone debacle.

 
Hell if I'm anything it's a Nintendo apologist. It's not that bad you guys, the games are coming eventually! 3DS is kind of cool, right????

 
Erad30 said:
Hell if I'm anything it's a Nintendo apologist. It's not that bad you guys, the games are coming eventually! 3DS is kind of cool, right????
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Lopl, I'm in the same boat. Even though I know there's nothing I'm even interested in yet besides zombieu, pikmin 3, and the usual ssb/mario kart/etc, I still want one :<
 
You obviously haven't been reading the posts in this thread. There is a significant number of gamers who don't want motion controls forced upon them at all. The $100 price difference only exacerbates the problem. Not only are these gamers being being forced to use the damn thing, but they are also being told it will cost them more (than it should, at least in their eyes since it should be optional) as a result, and they can't disable the thing even if there are no motion controls in the game they are playing. It's not rocket science (pun intended).



Dude we are not the majority. Never have been and never will be. The diehards are the minority. So no you are not part of a significant number of gamers. Pun or not.
 
WV Matsui said:
Dude we are not the majority. Never have been and never will be. The diehards are the minority. So no you are not part of a significant number of gamers. Pun or not.
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I never said anything about "we" (as in CAG) nor did I say the group I was referring to was the majority (significant amount of gamers), but then again, if that is not the case, then I assume Microsoft would have never backpedaled on the XBone to begin with since I would bet that the majority of the anti-DRM crowd are also against being forced to buy the Kinect 2.0 at the additional $100 price point rather than making it optional, but that is just my opinion.

 
Dark Lord Greg said:
in those terms couldn't you just tape up kinect if it really bothers you that much?
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Why would I tape up the Kinect, if I'm going to pay $100 more for it?

WV Matsui said:
Dude we are not the majority. Never have been and never will be. The diehards are the minority. So no you are not part of a significant number of gamers. Pun or not.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN_btDBBWwk

The "majority" also doesn't give a damn about the PS4 or Xbox One. So what does that leave Microsoft and Sony with?

 
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Ashane said:
Not being informed =/ not giving a damn. Jump in logic is astounding.
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If you're interested in something, you would go and try to find out as much information on it. Your average mainstream consumer will not be paying $399-$499 for a gaming console. Somebody that doesn't game and just want entertainment apps/tv is not going to pay $499 for an xbox one. If the mainstream consumer is such a big factor in deciding the sucess of the Xbox One at launch, Microsoft wouldn't have backpeddled on the drm policies, cause the hardcore doing the raging would not matter.

 
htz said:
If you're interested in something, you would go and try to find out as much information on it. Your average mainstream consumer will not be paying $399-$499 for a gaming console. Somebody that doesn't game and just want entertainment apps/tv is not going to pay $499 for an xbox one. If the mainstream consumer is such a big factor in deciding the sucess of the Xbox One at launch, Microsoft wouldn't have backpeddled on the drm policies, cause the hardcore doing the raging would not matter.
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Totally disagree. There are plenty of mainstream consumers who will be buying both of these units for the holidays. It's not as if they're $800. Removing DRM was to placate everyone, most especially people who buy used games for their kids or anyone who trades in games in general or sells them secondhand. It wasn't just a move made to please the hardcore. Those "mainstream" buyers may not care now, because they're months away from having to make an informed buying decision, but you can believe MS knew they would be hammered by the general public as well as the hardcore gamers by the time these consoles came to market in the fall with the DRM policy still in place on the XB1. Just because the general public doesn't really care at the moment (and why would they need to?) doesn't mean it wouldn't have been a factor when the average consumer starts paying attention to which unit they're going to buy for themselves or their kids for Christmas.

As far as Kinect goes, MS seems to want the Kinect as a guide for the infrastructure of the system itself -- turning it on, going through menus, etc. Less as a gaming function (perhaps -- we'll see). Now, I may not like it, and I'd rather see it dropped and have the system be $100 less like everyone else, but MS must feel the only way to get people to use it is to mandate it. More over, that extra $100 isn't -- IMO -- going to end up being that huge of a deal for MS. They have an edge with Xbox Live, they've got an online network that has a lot of players who are going to stick with it, they have exclusives that sell in the U.S., and they feel -- rightly or wrongly -- that they can afford the additional $100, even with Sony being out there at a lesser price point.

But if it doesn't work, they'll make adjustments. Like anything else, they can change course if they need to, if Sony truly ends up outselling them this holiday season. Either way, this winter will a battle, but it's not going to win either side the war so to speak, no matter how much fanboy hyperbole is stoked up on message boards.

 
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htz said:
If you're interested in something, you would go and try to find out as much information on it. Your average mainstream consumer will not be paying $399-$499 for a gaming console. Somebody that doesn't game and just want entertainment apps/tv is not going to pay $499 for an xbox one. If the mainstream consumer is such a big factor in deciding the sucess of the Xbox One at launch, Microsoft wouldn't have backpeddled on the drm policies, cause the hardcore doing the raging would not matter.
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Your completely missing the point.

The average consumer will not get informed until such a time as both Microsoft and Sony's PR campaigns get started. So far we've got exactly one commercial, being aired very sparsely. In two month's time, we'll likely have 4 at least. Plus billboards, product tie-in's (doritos's, mountain dew, etc) being thrown around everywhere.

Consumers do not know they are interested until they see the product, and since mainstream consumers have not seen the product, they do not know they are interested.

I find it funny you have such a knowledge on what the average consumer is willing to pay for things however. I was not aware I was dealing with a market research analyst, that had actually done statistical studies on consumers buying habits.

Or... on the other hand... you could be pulling stuff out of your rear, which is by far the most likely scenario. We'll see in 4 months, wont we? ;)

 
the average consumer that doesnt really game and has a ps3/xbox for hulu/netflix, etc and maybe only plays a handful of games a year, likely wont be so eager to dish out $400-$500 for a gaming system that doesnt offer much more than they already have.

 
Deader2818 said:
the average consumer that doesnt really game and has a ps3/xbox for hulu/netflix, etc and maybe only plays a handful of games a year, likely wont be so eager to dish out $400-$500 for a gaming system that doesnt offer much more than they already have.
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If we are talking about a 20-30 something adult, then yeah I'd agree. Which is partly why features other then a "gaming box" are going to be critical. Thus, a large part of the reasoning for including Kinect in the box. Integration between TV, Internet, Cable, and Gaming in one machine is the obvious goal.

However, if we are talking about a family, I'd disagree. As a parent, I get my kids what they ask for during Christmas. The actual cost of the item is largely irrelevant, within reason. We've already had the discussion about how much most families spend during Christmas (http://www.americanresearchgroup.com/holiday/ ), and found that purchasing a $400-500 machine is well within the cost budget of the average US household during Christmas spending.

 
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Last year's spending was ~$850. Let's say a family with two kids is spending that $850 across their entire family. After buying an Xbone, a second controller for their other kid, a game and a year of live we're at $680. That leaves $170 for each parent to spend on each other, other family, and friends they're getting gifts for, and that's assuming the only gift they're getting their kids is an Xbone. Maybe you misunderstood since you apparently just have stacks of money everywhere (how much are your headphones?) but that was $850 total, not per child or per person. That $100 is going to make a bit of difference to the less than informed consumer or people who don't care for motion controls, especially when parents are buying for their kids without consulting them.
 
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New hardware rumor (sourced from a Beyond3D.com forum post):

https://xboxuncut.squarespace.com/microsoft-asking-developers-about-an-increased-gpu-clock-and-an-increase-to-12-gb-of-ram

the story apparently is that MS has gone to devs for feedback on a few different things, two of them being an increased GPU clock and an increase to 12 GB of RAM (another thing on the list was storage for ‘tombstoning’ - I’m guessing flash cache)
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Not even sure what this would really accomplish if true. More of the same type of slower RAM won't make much difference other than maybe lowering the footprint of all the OS' running concurrently, not even sure if that would work either, and it still has the same bandwidth.

Also seems like a bad idea to make hardware changes only 4 months from release.

 
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