Mos Def being force fed like Gitmo detainees

Now that he experienced how we take care of our prisoners, maybe he can experience how they treat us.  Maybe he can do something like Daniel Pearl, and have his head cut off while conscious and then give his honest assessment of whether he liked being decapitated or fed.  That's the fair way to do it.  

 
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jputahraptor said:
Now that he experienced how we take care of our prisoners, maybe he can experience how they treat us. Maybe he can do something like Daniel Pearl, and have his head cut off while conscious and then give his honest assessment of whether he liked being decapitated or fed. That's the fair way to do it.
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Nice strawmen and generalizations. The entire point of the strike is that dozens of detainees have not been proven guilty of anything, have been offered no legal counsel, and some have not even been informed of what they are accused.

 
jputahraptor said:
Now that he experienced how we take care of our prisoners, maybe he can experience how they treat us. Maybe he can do something like Daniel Pearl, and have his head cut off while conscious and then give his honest assessment of whether he liked being decapitated or fed. That's the fair way to do it.
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I think the US should drone strike your family.

 
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That seems harsh.
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WTF??? That SOUNDS harsh? How about HAVING IT DONE TO YOU AND YOUR FAMILY???? Because that's what happens in your racist wars against brown people around the world. The fact you cannot get his point reflects your abject failure as a human being with critical thinking skills. Why do conservatives tend toward such stupidity?!?!??? Is it the fucking belief in fairy tales as the basis for reality??? What is your major malfunction???

 
jputahraptor said:
That seems harsh.
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Sorry, it was either that or suggest that uniformed American military should rape his mother and sister in front of him and kill his family execution-style. I went with what I felt was the least offensive of the two.

Or more accurately, I was feeding the troll.

 
joeboosauce said:
WTF??? That SOUNDS harsh? How about HAVING IT DONE TO YOU AND YOUR FAMILY???? Because that's what happens in your racist wars against brown people around the world. The fact you cannot get his point reflects your abject failure as a human being with critical thinking skills. Why do conservatives tend toward such stupidity?!?!??? Is it the fucking belief in fairy tales as the basis for reality??? What is your major malfunction???
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Here we go, what are my racist wars? I didn't work for Bush or Obama, I had no say in us going to war, nor do I meet with generals and tell them which "brown" people to kill. I have nothing to do with drone strikes or collateral damage, take it up with your administration run by a not white guy, it sounds more like a not white guy is killing other non white guys. It sound more like Obama didn't keep his promises with Gitmo or pulling out of the wars with any urgency. I think you'd better have equal blame because my guys haven't been making the big boy decisions the last 5 years, so hold liberals accountable once in awhile. I suppose you also had a problem with us killing Germans during WW2, or was that ok because they were white people or do you just ignore the reasons for war and look at the race of the people involved?

berzirk said:
Sorry, it was either that or suggest that uniformed American military should rape his mother and sister in front of him and kill his family execution-style. I went with what I felt was the least offensive of the two.

Or more accurately, I was feeding the troll.
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So I'm the troll but your posts are what exactly then? LOL Come on don't take yourself so seriously, nobody else here does. And where is Doh, who abhores violence and my signature talking about slapping sense into a liberal when you talk about drone striking my family and the rape and murder of my family for a comment on game forum? I'd be shocked if I was talking to an adult but I know you are a child or at least have the mentality of one.

 
Jesus and God approves of idefinite detention....

By the way we all complicit in what goes on in the world, this is how democracy hides it ugly side, unlike dictatorship or one-party system.

In a democracy, blame can be spread out to everyone cause the excuse is we all voted or approve of the gov't we ELECT.  This is why our gov't can't be held accountable because they spread the blame around

Now in a dicatorship or one-party rule, you know who/everyone  exactly is at fault.

 
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So I'm the troll but your posts are what exactly then? LOL Come on don't take yourself so seriously, nobody else here does. And where is Doh, who abhores violence and my signature talking about slapping sense into a liberal when you talk about drone striking my family and the rape and murder of my family for a comment on game forum? I'd be shocked if I was talking to an adult but I know you are a child or at least have the mentality of one.
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Oh whoops, I thought it was gunnm that was the idiot that made it a Daniel Pearl thread. Sorry for not giving you credit for full stupidity.

You seem to be new in this corner of CAG. Your lack of logic, prevalent false equivalencies, and lack of knowledge on the topics are kind of a giveaway. I would hope other regulars have given you enough grief that you understand that by now.

But to you, torture is funny, the guys at Gitmo are all terrorists (which beyond the government saying they are, where's the proof?), the world hates us for our freedoms, and it's our international job to "give" the world democracy as long as it's the one we want. My first post wasn't sincerely wishing your family were killed. They might be wonderful, intelligent people. I don't know them. My post was to say how much would you love a government if they have repeatedly been guilty of killing innocent people by drone strike. In one case killing an American citizen overseas, simply because we thought he might be dangerous. When you felt that was harsh to suggest, I moved on to the other issues that have been well reported. Our soldiers raping and killing innocent people. I should hope that doesn't happen to any of us here. Apparently if you live in Iraq or Afghanistan, where we have a military presence, you have a much higher risk of that happening than here in the US of A.

So answer me this. If a family member was considered collateral damage in a drone strike by a government who's military raped a 14 year old girl and killed a family in your neighborhood, would you be singing the Star Spangled Banner and watching re-runs of Seinfeld (assuming your infrastructure had been built up after those strikes and ongoing war to have electricity) or do you think you might be a little upset?

I have forgotten more about Mideast politics and international conflict and cooperation in that region than you'll ever have the ability to grasp. Keep trying. I'm always happy to embarrass a simpleton.

(BTW, married with three kids, mildly successful in a professional career)

Love,

Berzirk

 
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Jesus and God approves of idefinite detention....

By the way we all complicit in what goes on in the world, this is how democracy hides it ugly side, unlike dictatorship or one-party system.

In a democracy, blame can be spread out to everyone cause the excuse is we all voted or approve of the gov't we ELECT. This is why our gov't can't be held accountable because they spread the blame around

Now in a dicatorship or one-party rule, you know who/everyone exactly is at fault.
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I swear I don't want to get back into religion, especially with you, I don't mention it, but since you did I need proof that Jesus and God approve of indefinite detention, please get me the Bible verses or once again you are just talking out of your ass and your hatred for religion.

And I hope you are not trying to make a DICTATORSHIP more appealing than a DEMOCRACY, because that is asinine. If you love dictatorships, go to North Korea until America finally just gives up and you can come back. If you love dictatorships I'm sure you'd love it just as much if we made a conservative dictator for life or anyone of any religion to right? This country has a broken corrupt and morally bankrupt government and I realize our freedoms are slowly being stripped away, but I would still live here than anywhere else in the world, at least until we "progress" towards your ideals

I don't want to derail another thread with religion with you, if you can't back up your statements (you stated it as fact, not your opinion or feelings) than don't bother responding or changing the subject.

 
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Jesus and God approves of idefinite detention....

By the way we all complicit in what goes on in the world, this is how democracy hides it ugly side, unlike dictatorship or one-party system.

In a democracy, blame can be spread out to everyone cause the excuse is we all voted or approve of the gov't we ELECT. This is why our gov't can't be held accountable because they spread the blame around

Now in a dicatorship or one-party rule, you know who/everyone exactly is at fault.
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^This.

However, at the end of the day Democracy is still a better option when compared to a monarchy, dictatorship or a one-party rule system. Although, one could argue that our two party system makes a sham of Democracy. At the end of the day, if people care enough they'll make sure their voices are heard. Unfortunately or fortunately, depending on which side of the argument you stand on, the majority of our population doesn't seem to care about this issue... or should I rather say they can't be bothered with it.

 
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First of all I was kidding about the Jesus and God line, because our Churchs are too busy collecting money, hating gays, hating women's rights, and fiddling with little alter boys to be too busy to stand up and talk about the injustice of what we allow our gov't to be involved in.

Even the pope can't bother condemning the hypocrasy of America

You only know America is best because you probably never left America to live anywhere else.

Now back to the point, I was making a statement as to why "TERRORISTs"  see all Americans as fair targets, and why Americans are complicit in the world's politics.  Our media is also a tool for gov't propaganda.

Believe me we have the power to shut down our gov't, we just choose not to.

Instead we are busy arguing about social issues and other people's rights instead of seeing the bigger picture of what our gov't is doing. 

So YAY!!!! Obama support gays and let all gays fall in love and marry, while he is approving drone strikes, indefinite detentions, un-restricitive spying....  But hey he love Gays, so he a good guy?

 
berzirk said:
Oh whoops, I thought it was gunnm that was the idiot that made it a Daniel Pearl thread. Sorry for not giving you credit for full stupidity.

You seem to be new in this corner of CAG. Your lack of logic, prevalent false equivalencies, and lack of knowledge on the topics are kind of a giveaway. I would hope other regulars have given you enough grief that you understand that by now.

But to you, torture is funny, the guys at Gitmo are all terrorists (which beyond the government saying they are, where's the proof?), the world hates us for our freedoms, and it's our international job to "give" the world democracy as long as it's the one we want. My first post wasn't sincerely wishing your family were killed. They might be wonderful, intelligent people. I don't know them. My post was to say how much would you love a government if they have repeatedly been guilty of killing innocent people by drone strike. In one case killing an American citizen overseas, simply because we thought he might be dangerous. When you felt that was harsh to suggest, I moved on to the other issues that have been well reported. Our soldiers raping and killing innocent people. I should hope that doesn't happen to any of us here. Apparently if you live in Iraq or Afghanistan, where we have a military presence, you have a much higher risk of that happening than here in the US of A.

So answer me this. If a family member was considered collateral damage in a drone strike by a government who's military raped a 14 year old girl and killed a family in your neighborhood, would you be singing the Star Spangled Banner and watching re-runs of Seinfeld (assuming your infrastructure had been built up after those strikes and ongoing war to have electricity) or do you think you might be a little upset?

I have forgotten more about Mideast politics and international conflict and cooperation in that region than you'll ever have the ability to grasp. Keep trying. I'm always happy to embarrass a simpleton.

(BTW, married with three kids, mildly successful in a professional career)

Love,

Berzirk
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Yes torture is awesome, I said as much right? I think my posts have been very anti war and big government. I am not for this ongoing war, I do believe that some action was necessary after 9/11 but not being in CIA intelligence, I trusted the gov. to respond to the people who did it to us and was disappointed by the sideroads we took and still continue to take under this administration. I personally wish we'd just stay out of every country all together, and only provide humanitarian aide to those poor people of all colors that I get pegged as hating and wanting dead. If you bothered to read my posts I think you could have taken away at least that much. Thanks for not reading and judging me.

I am also not naive, I love our troops, I know some have done crimes and I hope that they are held accountable to the fullest extent of the law. I hope our government and military are actively ensuring that any rapes, murder and deaths are minimal if at all. I will not lump them all together like you appear to do. I am proud of their bravery, I think they are doing their job that they were ordered to do, these men and women are unfortunatly at the mercy of higher ranking people who may send them in to do things unjustly. That is on the heads of those generals and people in charge. I think any innocent life lost is a tragedy, and like any normal person it sickens me to read about it daily, but it does happen all over the world, not just in countries we are in, it's a sick world. I hope we can stop giving aide to countries who don't share it with their people and hate us and give it to countries that want it with many poor undeveloped countries so that they can feed and take care of their own people and not rely on us, only for us to give them a head start.

With your condensation aside, I haven't read anything particulary intelligent that you have written here, you may have forgotten more than I know but you forgotten anything worth saying. My original post here was clearly sarcastic, but he has an agenda with the video and there are shocking things done to our captured people to. I don't know how you would oversee GITMO if you were in charge and these men were on a hunger strike, perhaps you can bless me with your intelligence. I don't know where you think those in GITMO are completely innocent either, the official word is that at least some of them were people caught on the battlefield or training camps, they were terrorists. I could be wrong, I guess trusting the media isn't valid in this day and age. But I do know that Obama has been in the position to reevaluate it if he felt it was unjust, but from what I've seen, nothing has changed in 5 years in any way shape or form.

Congrats about the family, I could insult you or put them in a vile senario and turn it around on you, to make a point, but I'm far more interested in how you would respond to GITMO based on this video and the hunger strike. Trying to get this back on track, I don't mind the personal insult and such, but if you can't respond to what I say intelligently and stoop to others who get defensive and make personal attacks to those with a different opinion than it hardly seems worth disagreeing if we can have some level of respect in these forums, I will stay regardless though, I don't scare easily.

 
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First of all I was kidding about the Jesus and God line, because our Churchs are too busy collecting money, hating gays, hating women's rights, and fiddling with little alter boys to be too busy to stand up and talk about the injustice of what we allow our gov't to be involved in.

Even the pope can't bother condemning the hypocrasy of America

You only know America is best because you probably never left America to live anywhere else.

Now back to the point, I was making a statement as to why "TERRORISTs" see all Americans as fair targets, and why Americans are complicit in the world's politics. Our media is also a tool for gov't propaganda.

Believe me we have the power to shut down our gov't, we just choose not to.

Instead we are busy arguing about social issues and other people's rights instead of seeing the bigger picture of what our gov't is doing.

So YAY!!!! Obama support gays and let all gays fall in love and marry, while he is approving drone strikes, indefinite detentions, un-restricitive spying.... But hey he love Gays, so he a good guy?
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Hey I'm all for accountability in the gov. You and I agree on that much. I do believe that things happen against local and international laws, nevermind moral or ethically, I can only imagine what we may do. But we disagree on what we'd be better off with, we are spending to much and not investing in our job market, we are not helping our people with an abundance of social programs, they are good for a safety net but I don't believe in people abusing them. I don't believe the gov has done a good job in 20 years and I think that if we stay on this road we will collaspe under a wall of debt and failure. We need better leadership in both parties, not a socialism system. The system works, but the lack of accountability for the poor decisions made by both parties is hurting the average citizen to much.

The other problem you and I have, is your constant bashing of religion, Christianity in particular. I don't have thin skin, and Lord knows discrimination exists but is somehow considered exceptable by some here because we are the majority? which we are not? neither whites nor Christians are a majority or some BS. My biggest problem with these forums, is the sweeping statement made, I admit I will take some slack by saying all atheists are self absorbed, I'll apologize for that, but you in particular make sweeping statement about conservaties hating all "brown people" which is utter BS and Jesus hating X Y or Z in this case he loved people being detained. When you clearly know nothing of any religion nor do I think you've interacted with an actual conservative, and the stupid ones on youtube exist for any idea, party or race. Its utter BS some of the things you say, ALL is an unfair word, and saying something like that and me not calling you out on it would have gone unchallenged. Religion had no place in this thread, I didn't mention it, you brought it up. Put aside your bias, try to stick with either the topic or what someone said that was relevant. I'm tired of religion and white conservative crap with you, this thread is only one example, and if I regulary made a comment about all black democrats this or something I'd be hung up by my balls. Not to mention it makes you ignorant of a lot of whats going on, I am willing to admit their are bad apples EVERYWHERE, if you can't distinguish racism and intolerance EVERYWHERE than you'll be the first and only person I ignore on this site. I think you are more capable, but you drink the hateraide just a little bit to much.

 
jputahraptor said:
Yes torture is awesome, I said as much right? I think my posts have been very anti war and big government. I am not for this ongoing war, I do believe that some action was necessary after 9/11 but not being in CIA intelligence, I trusted the gov. to respond to the people who did it to us and was disappointed by the sideroads we took and still continue to take under this administration. I personally wish we'd just stay out of every country all together, and only provide humanitarian aide to those poor people of all colors that I get pegged as hating and wanting dead. If you bothered to read my posts I think you could have taken away at least that much. Thanks for not reading and judging me.

I am also not naive, I love our troops, I know some have done crimes and I hope that they are held accountable to the fullest extent of the law. I hope our government and military are actively ensuring that any rapes, murder and deaths are minimal if at all. I will not lump them all together like you appear to do. I am proud of their bravery, I think they are doing their job that they were ordered to do, these men and women are unfortunatly at the mercy of higher ranking people who may send them in to do things unjustly. That is on the heads of those generals and people in charge. I think any innocent life lost is a tragedy, and like any normal person it sickens me to read about it daily, but it does happen all over the world, not just in countries we are in, it's a sick world. I hope we can stop giving aide to countries who don't share it with their people and hate us and give it to countries that want it with many poor undeveloped countries so that they can feed and take care of their own people and not rely on us, only for us to give them a head start.

With your condensation aside, I haven't read anything particulary intelligent that you have written here, you may have forgotten more than I know but you forgotten anything worth saying. My original post here was clearly sarcastic, but he has an agenda with the video and there are shocking things done to our captured people to. I don't know how you would oversee GITMO if you were in charge and these men were on a hunger strike, perhaps you can bless me with your intelligence. I don't know where you think those in GITMO are completely innocent either, the official word is that at least some of them were people caught on the battlefield or training camps, they were terrorists. I could be wrong, I guess trusting the media isn't valid in this day and age. But I do know that Obama has been in the position to reevaluate it if he felt it was unjust, but from what I've seen, nothing has changed in 5 years in any way shape or form.

Congrats about the family, I could insult you or put them in a vile senario and turn it around on you, to make a point, but I'm far more interested in how you would respond to GITMO based on this video and the hunger strike. Trying to get this back on track, I don't mind the personal insult and such, but if you can't respond to what I say intelligently and stoop to others who get defensive and make personal attacks to those with a different opinion than it hardly seems worth disagreeing if we can have some level of respect in these forums, I will stay regardless though, I don't scare easily.
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When was I trying to scare you? Haa haa. Just trying to provide you with a world vision. I think that's the glaring thing I get from the handful of people on CAG who think they need to give every soldier a handjob out of thanks for their career choice. Have you traveled internationally? Have you been to any of these countries that "hate us"? Have you talked to or know anyone who was affected by overseas rape and killing at the hands of our government and military?

Anyone who truly believes Obama as an alternate to Bush/McCain/Romney is out of their mind IMO. He is every bit as guilty of having blood on his hands as Bush, he's just as big of a liar, and he has strengthened many of Bush's policies that I despised back then. He's one of our least effective Presidents in recent memory, and I wouldn't even call him the lesser of two evils. He is bad.

So now that you know you aren't arguing with a liberal (so no need to smack me), what would I do to GITMO? I'd shut that motherfucker down. If a State didn't like the idea of trying them, tough titty. I'd flex my muscle as the man in charge, and do it. Hell, if I wanted to be a prick, I could have them tried in Texas. The ones found guilty by a jury get the appropriate penalties and sentences, the ones found innocent by a jury are paid for their illegal detaining and sent back home immediately. Of course if you've been wrongfully imprisoned for almost a decade, I can't imagine you're going to be praising the US. It's just another example of the US actively creating the terrorists of tomorrow (a longer rant).

What about those in a hunger strike? I don't know of a better way to get them nutrients without allowing themselves to starve to death. Perhaps it's possible to apply anesthesia, or some other method, the force-feeding of detainees bothers me, but if they're going to allow themselves to die, that's a real pickle. A question that needs to be asked is why are these people so emotionally destroyed, that they want to die? It's quite a statement that so many of them would rather lose their lives than live imprisoned (falsely or not).

These people who were fighting against US troops are not part of a military, they are not part of a sovereign nation, they were fighting against a foreign military in and around their homes. God forbid Canada ever invade, but if they did come rolling through, I'd push back pretty hard, with any means I had.

If your original post was sarcastic (and utterly unrelated), then why wouldn't mine be taken as both sarcastic, and unrelated? The highroad is cute, but it's more effective if you start on that path, not climb up the side after slinging mud too. Without an educated world view, and a bias that the US is the beacon of hope and shining example for other nations, I don't feel your xenophobia will ever let you consider that it's not everyone else around us who are always wrong. Between Great Britain and the US, I'm not sure who has destabilized the entire globe more.

 
I am not a fan of most religion, with the exception to possibly Hinduism/Buddistism/Taoism since they don't really have any violent past or care much about enforcing some werid religious dogma into gov'ts

 
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When was I trying to scare you? Haa haa. Just trying to provide you with a world vision. I think that's the glaring thing I get from the handful of people on CAG who think they need to give every soldier a handjob out of thanks for their career choice. Have you traveled internationally? Have you been to any of these countries that "hate us"? Have you talked to or know anyone who was affected by overseas rape and killing at the hands of our government and military?

Anyone who truly believes Obama as an alternate to Bush/McCain/Romney is out of their mind IMO. He is every bit as guilty of having blood on his hands as Bush, he's just as big of a liar, and he has strengthened many of Bush's policies that I despised back then. He's one of our least effective Presidents in recent memory, and I wouldn't even call him the lesser of two evils. He is bad.

So now that you know you aren't arguing with a liberal (so no need to smack me), what would I do to GITMO? I'd shut that motherfucker down. If a State didn't like the idea of trying them, tough titty. I'd flex my muscle as the man in charge, and do it. Hell, if I wanted to be a prick, I could have them tried in Texas. The ones found guilty by a jury get the appropriate penalties and sentences, the ones found innocent by a jury are paid for their illegal detaining and sent back home immediately. Of course if you've been wrongfully imprisoned for almost a decade, I can't imagine you're going to be praising the US. It's just another example of the US actively creating the terrorists of tomorrow (a longer rant).

What about those in a hunger strike? I don't know of a better way to get them nutrients without allowing themselves to starve to death. Perhaps it's possible to apply anesthesia, or some other method, the force-feeding of detainees bothers me, but if they're going to allow themselves to die, that's a real pickle. A question that needs to be asked is why are these people so emotionally destroyed, that they want to die? It's quite a statement that so many of them would rather lose their lives than live imprisoned (falsely or not).

These people who were fighting against US troops are not part of a military, they are not part of a sovereign nation, they were fighting against a foreign military in and around their homes. God forbid Canada ever invade, but if they did come rolling through, I'd push back pretty hard, with any means I had.

If your original post was sarcastic (and utterly unrelated), then why wouldn't mine be taken as both sarcastic, and unrelated? The highroad is cute, but it's more effective if you start on that path, not climb up the side after slinging mud too. Without an educated world view, and a bias that the US is the beacon of hope and shining example for other nations, I don't feel your xenophobia will ever let you consider that it's not everyone else around us who are always wrong. Between Great Britain and the US, I'm not sure who has destabilized the entire globe more.
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You weren't scarring me, I didn't mean that literally, just that I don't run away when someone makes a snarky post.

I appreciate your honesty in not really knowing how to deal with the hunger strike in a better way. You are damned if you do and you are damned if you don't, they should be knocked out if need be, but by doing a hunger strike are you going to agree to being knocked out to be fed? Some degree of force will be used, lest they starve to death. I agree that we need to prosecute these people, I'm going to bow out because I do not have the facts of these people, where they were caught, what evidence if any there is, but nonetheless, it's on Obama and congresses head.

I don't get where you get Xenophobia from on my part. It's a bold and unfair claim to make considering nothing I stated hints at that. Your posts could come across as Un-American but I know that's not the case. Even if I was uncompromising on my love for the US, (which I am very critical of, see above, you really need to read!!!! oh educated and unbiased one :bow: ) is this country not a racially diverse one, as is our soldiers. I have not stated nor do I have a fear of anyone, so that part of your post is assuming and falls short. Again I am all for pulling out of these wars, stopping aide to countries that hate us, and helping countries that need the aide for their poor people, people of any color. I understand your point of us making terrorists, history will judge our war on terror and what the right strategies would have been. We have made mistakes, I think from this thread alone you can see I am critical of the gov. and decisions made. As you state, these are not soldiers of a military and the Geneva conventions don't apply to Al-Queda so the US is legally within it's right. Obama campaigned on due process but nothing came of it. Now as to why, it's a form of protest, lot of people do it. It's can't be a get out of jail free card and it is up to Obama and congress who are in charge of Gitmo to do something about it. Has Obama responded to the hunger strike or done anything? I haven't heard anything.

 
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Example 1

White male from Kentucky ( great right wing conservative state )

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1340207/I-didnt-think-Iraqis-humans-says-U-S-soldier-raped-14-year-old-girl-killing-her-family.html

Example 2

White male

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/06/soldier-killed-afghans-pleads-guilty

Example 3

White male ( puppy thrower )

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/david-motari-soldier-throws-puppy-off-a-cliff
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First dude is from Texas, still a red state but it shows your lack of reading. This is by no means conclusive in any way. It's just a few examples. I expected something concrete to back up your sweeping statement. And the state they are from, has little to do with it, people can vote either way in spite of being a red or blue state. After all I am a Republican in a blue state. It makes as much sense as me saying that since many of the 9/11 hijackers live in NY/NJ and the marathon bombers were from Boston (all blue states) that most terrorists are democrats and Middle Eastern.

 
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Here we go, what are my racist wars? I didn't work for Bush or Obama, I had no say in us going to war, nor do I meet with generals and tell them which "brown" people to kill. I have nothing to do with drone strikes or collateral damage, take it up with your administration run by a not white guy, it sounds more like a not white guy is killing other non white guys. It sound more like Obama didn't keep his promises with Gitmo or pulling out of the wars with any urgency. I think you'd better have equal blame because my guys haven't been making the big boy decisions the last 5 years, so hold liberals accountable once in awhile. I suppose you also had a problem with us killing Germans during WW2, or was that ok because they were white people or do you just ignore the reasons for war and look at the race of the people involved?
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You said in your previous post:

"Now that he experienced how we take care of our prisoners, maybe he can experience how they treat us. Maybe he can do something like Daniel Pearl, and have his head cut off while conscious and then give his honest assessment of whether he liked being decapitated or fed. That's the fair way to do it."
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What does Daniel Pearl have to do with prisoner abuse at Guantanamo? How are the 2 connected? Within your answer lies your racist underpinnings. To you all "brownies" are all the same people responsible for anything the other does. This is classic conservative racism. And then you lend support to such racially based wars. "Of course the sandniggers have WMDs. All darkies are evil and trying to constantly kill us." So tell us how 2 disparate events are connected.

 
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You said in your previous post:

What does Daniel Pearl have to do with prisoner abuse at Guantanamo? How are the 2 connected? Within your answer lies your racist underpinnings. To you all "brownies" are all the same people responsible for anything the other does. This is classic conservative racism. And then you lend support to such racially based wars. "Of course the sandniggers have WMDs. All darkies are evil and trying to constantly kill us." So tell us how 2 disparate events are connected.
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Let's start off by making sure this quote that you said in quotes like it was me who said it... "Of course the sandniggers have WMDs. All darkies are evil and trying to constantly kill us." was never said by me nor is there anything that I've said that hinted or implied that view. In fact, it sounds like that is your view of how I or other conservatives or whites think. I'll dismiss the stupidity because I know the decision to go to war was voted on by an elected congress with I assume actionable intelligence and the reason to go to war had something to do with 9/11, terrorism, and possible WMD's and was not just somebody waking up one day and deciding to kill "darkies". I also made it pretty clear that I was never for any of these wars or GITMO and being only a teenager at the time who couldn't even vote in the 2000 election, don't see how I'm being lumped in with all conservatives or that I got off on us declaring war on "brown people". Believe it or not, conservatives can think for themselves and we are not a hive mind who all think one way, but thanks for generalizing, you are even less credible than you were if that is possible. Actually you must know or be Finger Shocker because I couldn't believe there could be more than one person on this site who could assume and lump millions of people together quite like he could.

You quote me twice in your post and it doesn't seem to catch me contradicting myself. What I said about Pearl was obviously a sarcastic response to a video which simplifys things and doesn't take into account what the prisoners did to get there. Do you know what they are being accused of or where they were caught because it sounds like you don't believe they did anything wrong so do tell. The two are connected in that they were both taken prisoner but one was killed for being a Jewish American (not even a soldier) while others are intentionally undertaking a hunger strike. Is that so hard to distinguish? Now why don't you explain how that reveals my "racist underpinnings" because the races are irrelevant if one side abuses and kills its prisoners and the other has to decide whether to force feed or let their prisoners die. Tell me where race even begins to play into this (and I ignored him being Jewish the first time). I also know that Obama can do something about Gitmo and has sat on his hands, so tell me how or where I'm a racist based on my original post. If anything, it seems like you are race baiting me and labeling me a racist based on your own racist views of conservatives or whites. And tell me how Democrats who have continued these wars since Obama took office are not racist for continuing these conflicts and not rectifying or undoing what those darn racist conservatives did. Sound like according to what you say, they are just as guilty?

 
Thank you Willard for pointing that out to me.  My crappy laptop has the white background for some reason.  I'll repost my reply to JOEBOOSAUCE here (original post #34) and hope that shows up, I don't know if quoting was the problem, send me a PM or reply to let me know, thanks again.

Let's start off by making sure this quote that you said in quotes like it was me who said it... "Of course the sandniggers have WMDs. All darkies are evil and trying to constantly kill us." was never said by me nor is there anything that I've said that hinted or implied that view. In fact, it sounds like that is your view of how I or other conservatives or whites think.  I'll dismiss the stupidity because I know the decision to go to war was voted on by an elected congress with I assume actionable intelligence and the reason to go to war had something to do with 9/11, terrorism, and possible WMD's and was not just somebody waking up one day and deciding to kill "darkies".  I also made it pretty clear that I was never for any of these wars or GITMO and being only a teenager at the time who couldn't even vote in the 2000 election, don't see how I'm being lumped in with all conservatives or that I got off on us declaring war on "brown people".  Believe it or not, conservatives can think for themselves and we are not a hive mind who all think one way, but thanks for generalizing, you are even less credible than you were if that is possible.  Actually you must know or be Finger Shocker because I couldn't believe there could be more than one person on this site who could assume and lump millions of people together quite like he could.  

You quote me twice in your post and it doesn't seem to catch me contradicting myself.  What I said about Pearl was obviously a sarcastic response to a video which simplifys things and doesn't take into account what the prisoners did to get there.  Do you know what they are being accused of or where they were caught because it sounds like you don't believe they did anything wrong so do tell.  The two are connected in that they were both taken prisoner but one was killed for being a Jewish American (not even a soldier) while others are intentionally undertaking a hunger strike.  Is that so hard to distinguish?  Now why don't you explain how that reveals my "racist underpinnings" because the races are irrelevant if one side abuses and kills its prisoners and the other has to decide whether to force feed or let their prisoners die.  Tell me where race even begins to play into this (and I ignored him being Jewish the first time).  I also know that Obama can do something about Gitmo and has sat on his hands, so tell me how or where I'm a racist based on my original post.  If anything, it seems like you are race baiting me and labeling me a racist based on your own racist views of conservatives or whites.  And tell me how Democrats who have continued these wars since Obama took office are not racist for continuing these conflicts and not rectifying or undoing what those darn racist conservatives did.  Sound like according to what you say, they are just as guilty?

 
That's the point about the Gitmo detainees. We don't know if they're innocent or guilty of anything. Instead, they've been there for over a decade by way of semantics, and we're told that they were "enemy combatants". According to who? The same people who allege their guilt. No third party has ever been able to evaluate that and charge or release them accordingly.

This "sarcastic point" that you keep trying to defend is what brought the attention to you in the first place. They are entirely unrelated. Daniel Pearl was a journalist, who happened to be Jewish, and wanted to interview some of the most dangerous people in Pakistan. He wasn't detained by Pakistani authorities, it was at the hands of a band of terrorists. He wasn't held there for decades. No hope of being released or forever detained. Of course your natural rebuttal is that he's dead so he didn't have the option, but his circumstances are quite different on multiple levels, and you know that (band of terrorists vs. world's most powerful nation, trying to meet dangerous terrorists in a foreign land vs. fighting against a country's military in their homeland).

The fact that there have been several suicides, several who are trying to commit suicide, shows that for some of the prisoners, death is preferred over detention. That's a powerful statement.

So "sarcastically" keep brining up the death of one guy vs the death, torture and detention of hundreds of uncharged people, but don't get bent when we call you on the stupidity, sarcastic or not, of the statement.

 
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That's the point about the Gitmo detainees. We don't know if they're innocent or guilty of anything. Instead, they've been there for over a decade by way of semantics, and we're told that they were "enemy combatants". According to who? The same people who allege their guilt. No third party has ever been able to evaluate that and charge or release them accordingly.

This "sarcastic point" that you keep trying to defend is what brought the attention to you in the first place. They are entirely unrelated. Daniel Pearl was a journalist, who happened to be Jewish, and wanted to interview some of the most dangerous people in Pakistan. He wasn't detained by Pakistani authorities, it was at the hands of a band of terrorists. He wasn't held there for decades. No hope of being released or forever detained. Of course your natural rebuttal is that he's dead so he didn't have the option, but his circumstances are quite different on multiple levels, and you know that (band of terrorists vs. world's most powerful nation, trying to meet dangerous terrorists in a foreign land vs. fighting against a country's military in their homeland).

The fact that there have been several suicides, several who are trying to commit suicide, shows that for some of the prisoners, death is preferred over detention. That's a powerful statement.

So "sarcastically" keep brining up the death of one guy vs the death, torture and detention of hundreds of uncharged people, but don't get bent when we call you on the stupidity, sarcastic or not, of the statement.
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I'm more interested in what Joeboo has to say than you. He brought up my comments I don't need to go through this again with you. But to keep it short, it's not 1 person vs. hundreds, it's naive to think that terrorists don't take US soldiers hostage, torture and kill them. They have taken American contractors hostage and killed them as well. Not even soldiers. Not to mention the ones that keep capturing ships and holding the hostages demand ransom and have already killed those aboard. Are you saying we are worse then them? Would you rather be a hostage of the US or the terrorists? I don't doubt we've done horrible things but do you have any evidence of US outright killing hostages without some sort trial on war crimes. While there have been innocents raped and murdered don't we have some history of making those people accountable. Do you think terrorists hold other terrorists accountable for violating the Geneva convenctions? Come on!

And I just said in that post that you quoted and probably only half read that this administration is just as lax and unwilling to move along the process of dealing with those at GITMO, didn't Obama campaign on closing it and due process? You claim the circumstances are different because the terrorists don't belong to a country, so what! It's acceptable to behead a civilian (an American and Jewish which they apparently have a history with) but those captured who are being fed have it worse off. Let me make it clear that I AM ALL FOR DUE PROCESS that's up to this adminstration to tackle. They've been there under Obama almost as long as under Bush, so the politics that JOE was playing don't hold up to blaming solely conservatives.

I hate to cite wikipedia, but I'm sure in this case these names can be verified. This is just in Iraq alone, and is over 60 hostages killed and over 200 captured, I'm sure that's not a complete list but it pales in comparsion to GITMO, where none were murdered. I think it's also safe to say that those captured by them were far worse off and were not provided with 3 square meals a day, freedom to practice their faith, etc. Nevertheless being a prisoner is never a picnic, just ask John McCain.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_hostages_in_Iraq

 
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I'm more interested in what Joeboo has to say than you. He brought up my comments I don't need to go through this again with you. But to keep it short, it's not 1 person vs. hundreds, it's naive to think that terrorists don't take US soldiers hostage, torture and kill them. They have taken American contractors hostage and killed them as well. Not even soldiers. Not to mention the ones that keep capturing ships and holding the hostages demand ransom and have already killed those aboard. Are you saying we are worse then them? Would you rather be a hostage of the US or the terrorists? I don't doubt we've done horrible things but do you have any evidence of US outright killing hostages without some sort trial on war crimes. While there have been innocents raped and murdered don't we have some history of making those people accountable. Do you think terrorists hold other terrorists accountable for violating the Geneva convenctions? Come on!

And I just said in that post that you quoted and probably only half read that this administration is just as lax and unwilling to move along the process of dealing with those at GITMO, didn't Obama campaign on closing it and due process? You claim the circumstances are different because the terrorists don't belong to a country, so what! It's acceptable to behead a civilian (an American and Jewish which they apparently have a history with) but those captured who are being fed have it worse off. Let me make it clear that I AM ALL FOR DUE PROCESS that's up to this adminstration to tackle. They've been there under Obama almost as long as under Bush, so the politics that JOE was playing don't hold up to blaming solely conservatives.

I hate to cite wikipedia, but I'm sure in this case these names can be verified. This is just in Iraq alone, and is over 60 hostages killed and over 200 captured, I'm sure that's not a complete list but it pales in comparsion to GITMO, where none were murdered. I think it's also safe to say that those captured by them were far worse off and were not provided with 3 square meals a day, freedom to practice their faith, etc. Nevertheless being a prisoner is never a picnic, just ask John McCain.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_hostages_in_Iraq
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Well when we get invaded and another country send their "contractors" out to fix our country, let us know if you going to freely welcome them

 
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Well when we get invaded and another country send their "contractors" out to fix our country, let us know if you going to freely welcome them
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If you deem the deaths of unarmed men who aren't a threat to anyone justified than why do you have a problem with Trayvon being killed? Could it be your hangup with race, oh unbiased one?

 
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I'm more interested in what Joeboo has to say than you. He brought up my comments I don't need to go through this again with you. But to keep it short, it's not 1 person vs. hundreds, it's naive to think that terrorists don't take US soldiers hostage, torture and kill them. They have taken American contractors hostage and killed them as well. Not even soldiers. Not to mention the ones that keep capturing ships and holding the hostages demand ransom and have already killed those aboard. Are you saying we are worse then them? Would you rather be a hostage of the US or the terrorists? I don't doubt we've done horrible things but do you have any evidence of US outright killing hostages without some sort trial on war crimes. While there have been innocents raped and murdered don't we have some history of making those people accountable. Do you think terrorists hold other terrorists accountable for violating the Geneva convenctions? Come on!

And I just said in that post that you quoted and probably only half read that this administration is just as lax and unwilling to move along the process of dealing with those at GITMO, didn't Obama campaign on closing it and due process? You claim the circumstances are different because the terrorists don't belong to a country, so what! It's acceptable to behead a civilian (an American and Jewish which they apparently have a history with) but those captured who are being fed have it worse off. Let me make it clear that I AM ALL FOR DUE PROCESS that's up to this adminstration to tackle. They've been there under Obama almost as long as under Bush, so the politics that JOE was playing don't hold up to blaming solely conservatives.

I hate to cite wikipedia, but I'm sure in this case these names can be verified. This is just in Iraq alone, and is over 60 hostages killed and over 200 captured, I'm sure that's not a complete list but it pales in comparsion to GITMO, where none were murdered. I think it's also safe to say that those captured by them were far worse off and were not provided with 3 square meals a day, freedom to practice their faith, etc. Nevertheless being a prisoner is never a picnic, just ask John McCain.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_hostages_in_Iraq
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You still don't get it with the false equivalencies. Now you're on to Somali pirates who are taking hostages for money? But why would you leap from terrorists in the middle east, to pirates? Oh yah, because they're still assumed Muslim.

Comparing a disorganized band of terrorists and their actions, to the United States of America and their actions, absolutely should be weighed differently. Both from a legal and rational perspective. Those Somali pirates are equivalent to a sovereign nation's Navy?

But additionally, where are these hostages being picked up from? THEIR HOMELAND! If somebody came to my neighborhood and started capturing people, you can be damn sure I'd go down swinging.

So do I think the actions by the most powerful country in the world, MY country are worse than scattered terrorist attacks? Yes, I do. We have the power and means to oppress and kill people, and we use it. I expect more from the organized efforts of the United States, than I do of communities of terrorists. I don't think that's a unique opinion at all.

Our history dealing with innocents isn't that great bro-ski. A few of our highlights? Genocide of Native Americans. Slavery. Internment camps for Japanese. Nation building by death and meddling in international affairs.

Edit: and regarding "unarmed" contractors and others meddling in the country so they can exploit the situation and make a buck, then what about the good folks at Blackwater? You know...these contractors: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackwater_Worldwide#Litigation_and_legal_issues

Like I said earlier, you don't have enough knowledge of history to have an educated opinion, so you compare apples to oranges, then make some comment about how all bananas are savages. The US by way of politics and military pressures have killed millions more than nebulous groups of terrorists. If you don't understand that, then I don't know how to educate you, when the educational system has already tried and failed.

 
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You still don't get it with the false equivalencies. Now you're on to Somali pirates who are taking hostages for money? But why would you leap from terrorists in the middle east, to pirates? Oh yah, because they're still assumed Muslim.

Comparing a disorganized band of terrorists and their actions, to the United States of America and their actions, absolutely should be weighed differently. Both from a legal and rational perspective. Those Somali pirates are equivalent to a sovereign nation's Navy?

But additionally, where are these hostages being picked up from? THEIR HOMELAND! If somebody came to my neighborhood and started capturing people, you can be damn sure I'd go down swinging.

So do I think the actions by the most powerful country in the world, MY country are worse than scattered terrorist attacks? Yes, I do. We have the power and means to oppress and kill people, and we use it. I expect more from the organized efforts of the United States, than I do of communities of terrorists. I don't think that's a unique opinion at all.

Our history dealing with innocents isn't that great bro-ski. A few of our highlights? Genocide of Native Americans. Slavery. Internment camps for Japanese. Nation building by death and meddling in international affairs.

Like I said earlier, you don't have enough knowledge of history to have an educated opinion, so you compare apples to oranges, then make some comment about how all bananas are savages. The US by way of politics and military pressures have killed millions more than nebulous groups of terrorists. If you don't understand that, then I don't know how to educate you, when the educational system has already tried and failed.
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Wholeheartedly agree with your overall message, but every major western nation over the last 2 millennia has gained or maintained power by abusing the weak, disenfranchised and the poor. So our history is no different then most other nations who for better or worse have ruled this planet with an iron fist.

 
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Wholeheartedly agree with your overall message, but every major western nation over the last 2 millennia has gained or maintained power by abusing the weak, disenfranchised and the poor. So our history is no different then most other nations who for better or worse have ruled this planet with an iron fist.
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Oh for sure, I agree with you. But that's what's chapping my ass with this guy. He's trying to compare the standards that the United States should be held to, to those that a disorganized band of terrorists should. It's lunacy.

I personally believe that about 3/4s of the problems we have on a global scale today can claim roots in British (mainly), French, and Spanish Imperialism.

 
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Oh for sure, I agree with you. But that's what's chapping my ass with this guy. He's trying to compare the standards that the United States should be held to, to those that a disorganized band of terrorists should. It's lunacy.

I personally believe that about 3/4s of the problems we have on a global scale today can claim roots in British (mainly), French, and Spanish Imperialism.
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Agreed.

 
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You still don't get it with the false equivalencies. Now you're on to Somali pirates who are taking hostages for money? But why would you leap from terrorists in the middle east, to pirates? Oh yah, because they're still assumed Muslim.

Comparing a disorganized band of terrorists and their actions, to the United States of America and their actions, absolutely should be weighed differently. Both from a legal and rational perspective. Those Somali pirates are equivalent to a sovereign nation's Navy?

But additionally, where are these hostages being picked up from? THEIR HOMELAND! If somebody came to my neighborhood and started capturing people, you can be damn sure I'd go down swinging.

So do I think the actions by the most powerful country in the world, MY country are worse than scattered terrorist attacks? Yes, I do. We have the power and means to oppress and kill people, and we use it. I expect more from the organized efforts of the United States, than I do of communities of terrorists. I don't think that's a unique opinion at all.

Our history dealing with innocents isn't that great bro-ski. A few of our highlights? Genocide of Native Americans. Slavery. Internment camps for Japanese. Nation building by death and meddling in international affairs.

Like I said earlier, you don't have enough knowledge of history to have an educated opinion, so you compare apples to oranges, then make some comment about how all bananas are savages. The US by way of politics and military pressures have killed millions more than nebulous groups of terrorists. If you don't understand that, then I don't know how to educate you, when the educational system has already tried and failed.
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Oh I didn't know I could only limit the terrorists I could use in an example but you were free to bring up our whole past history. Thanks for implying though that I'm anti-Muslim, classy. Why not focus on present day? Why not look at the history of terrorism than, since you are free to bring up everything we've ever done regardless of whether it fits the context of war or POW's. Do you sympathize with them on 9/11, did crashing planes and killing 3,000 seem justifiable to you? Al-Queda defined the conflict that day and by being free of a countries military. You ignore the Geneva conventions which the terrorists don't subscribe to. They've done horrific things. Do you also ignore all other countries attrocities? Communism, Chairman Mao, World Wars, genocide, holocaust, conquerors, do you think modern countries just fell that way, the whole history of mankind has been wars and conflicts, for land, power, resources etc. It's not unique since 1776. And I am in no way justifying any of those actions with that statement, just pointing it out

Also do you want to just compare Al-Queda, a 20 year militant organization to a country that's been around for over 230 years? China's been around a couple thousand years, want me to pull up some dark spots on their history to make you feel better? Do you think Al-Queda in power would be a better world power, a more ethical one? I'm not arguing US history, I am aware and sadden by what's happened, do you believe going after Bin Laden or doing anything after 9/11 was justified, if another 9/11 happened by Al-Queda tomorrow and you were the commander in chief, would you not retaliate.

The point is that a ragtag group of militants killed thousands of civilians on 9/11 and have tried over and over since then. Those captured are either soldiers of Al-Queda or are working with them and have intelligence. Back to the topic of POW's, those who were caught SHOULD have been captured fighters or people aiding them. I am all for rights and trials, you couldn't give a good answer to my question of what you would do in a response to a hunger strike, whether to let them starve or feed them. It's political as far due process which I think we are both in favor of. I don't believe in human suffering, I think the best response would be to give them trials, my second option would be to feed them as humanly as possible, it's that or let them starve.

You can't excuse what one side does to their hostages because of the age, organizational structure, philosophy or some other reasoning. A hostage is a captured soldier, an enemy but not someone morally or ethically to be executed for any reason. But again history says otherwise. You're saying since the US has a history of abuses in the past, that they are more accountable for prisoner treatment even though the US isn't actively engaged in what can be called terrorism, and is working with the governments of these countries in order to eliminate the threat. Meanwhile, Al-Queda provokes other countries, 9/11, Madrid bombing, London attacks, causing the death of thousand of non-military personnel. Do I really need to remind you of what they do? Their proud history.

 
And I hope you don't think Al-Queda are freedom fighters.  They may consider themselves that now because they have the home turf and the "big evil country" is PO'ed but they provoke, it's not just the US that has been on the receiving end of them and it's not the only country to fight back against them.  They are not a Red Dawn group to be romanticized.

 
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Oh I didn't know I could only limit the terrorists I could use in an example but you were free to bring up our whole past history. Thanks for implying though that I'm anti-Muslim, classy. Why not focus on present day?
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Well, if the burka fits...

Haven't I focused on present day? I started with drone strikes, went to rape and murder by US soldiers.

Why not look at the history of terrorism... Do you sympathize with them on 9/11, did crashing planes and killing 3,000 seem justifiable to you?
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Sure, where do you want to start? What defines something as terrorism, vs. an organized act of violence to cause fear. I think I can safely assume the meaning behind your interpretation of terrorism.

Sweet, asking if senseless killing of a bunch of Americans drew my sympathy. Talk about classy. No. Wasn't a big fan of people flying planes into a civilian target. I think that was rather unnecessary.

This imaginary Steve Emerson world where interconnected cells of terrorists operated in unison to take down the United States is fanciful. Bin Laden's "freedom fighters" (wait for it) were financed by the United States when they were in Afghanistan fighting Russians. Afterwards, his rants were over the presence of American bases throughout his home country of Saudi, post Gulf War. Al-Qaeda's declarations would be about as meaningful as Rush Limbaugh telling the UK how to adjust foreign policy.

You ignore the Geneva conventions which the terrorists don't subscribe to.
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Prepare to be educated: "The Geneva Conventions are multilateral, international treaties. This means that they bind only those nation-states that have signed, ratified, and deposited their ratification with the United Nations"

-http://www.pbs.org/wnet/wideangle/episodes/exclusive-to-al-jazeera/the-geneva-conventions/the-geneva-conventions-to-whom-do-the-conventions-apply/615/

Also do you want to just compare Al-Queda, a 20 year militant organization to a country that's been around for over 230 years? China's been around a couple thousand years, want me to pull up some dark spots on their history to make you feel better? Do you think Al-Queda in power would be a better world power, a more ethical one? I'm not arguing US history, I am aware and sadden by what's happened, do you believe going after Bin Laden or doing anything after 9/11 was justified, if another 9/11 happened by Al-Queda tomorrow and you were the commander in chief, would you not retaliate.
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No, I don't think a band of terrorists would make good rulers. For one, they have no experience. This 20 year "militant organization" is a band of disorganized terrorists. They would govern about as well as the State of Texas, given independence.

The point is that a ragtag group of militants killed thousands of civilians on 9/11 and have tried over and over since then.
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OK, get ready for MIND:BLOWN...maybe we should try to figure out why they hate us and want to kill us? Maybe they're not fond of our foreign policy which oppresses many third world, specifically Muslim and Arab countries. Maybe it's the undying support for Israel, who has a worse human rights record than nearly any other country of the past 50 years. Maybe they don't care for their countries to be invaded by external powers, so their natural resources can be exported. It could be a lot of things. One thing it is not...they don't hate us for our freedoms. If any of your news sources tell you that, turn them off and read a book instead, because that specific channel is filled with morons.

Those captured are either soldiers of Al-Queda or are working with them and have intelligence. You can't excuse what one side does to their hostages because of the age, organizational structure, philosophy or some other reasoning
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Do tell...what's a "soldier" of al Qaeda. What does their uniform look like? What gets issued? Who's their chain of command? What international organizations do they belong to.

Of course you can hold to a different standard what one side does. That's what the Geneva Convention is all about. You should expect better from organized world superpowers than you do from...Belize. I expect better global actions from American, than I do Belize. We have the power, the resources, and the ability to harm the world far greater than Belize. If that's true with respect to Belize, then what if we start comparing to a band of terrorists who live in various regions around the world, inside of other countries?

even though the US isn't actively engaged in what can be called terrorism, and is working with the governments of these countries in order to eliminate the threat.
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That's open for ENORMOUS debate, and one that frankly, I don't think you have the background to be able to intelligently go in to. I would suggest that flying drones over neighborhoods in Yemen and killing civilians as collateral damage is outright terrorism. I would suggest that invading countries on falsified charges (WMDs) is terrorism. Remind me when and where I said God Bless Al Qaeda? I simply said that I expect less from them, than I do the US.
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