Xbox One on the way. DRM removed, more details to come.

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Jimmienoman said:
Or I don't know, put a box over it.

Use common sense if you're that paranoid.
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We don't know if putting a box/tape over the Kinect will prevent the Xbox One from functioning properly. Being able to say "Xbox On" can't be the only reason Microsoft is requiring the Kinect connected when turned on. Unless Microsoft really doesn't like people turning the Xbox One on with the Xbox Guide button from the controller.

Even though you can stay offline with the Xbox One, to use the other main feature that differentiates from the PS4, does require you to be online. I'm talking about the OneGuide feature which requires Xbox Live Gold. So someone that worries about privacy can't use all the features that the Xbox One offers including the main TV feature without going online. This can be solved just by making the Kinect optional(plus it will lower the price of entry). The OneGuide can still be used with a controller & headset, it just won't be as elegant as using it with the Kinect.

Ashane said:
You know all three of those articles are praising Sony for doing to a x86 architecture, which is also exactly what the X1 is, so it's really praising both systems? :)

None of the articles talk about the actual development kits sent to the dev's, nor how their tools are. I'll say again until we actually get some information on the XDK and PDK, we wont have a firm understanding of how those specs will come out in the end.
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http://www.develop-online.net/features/1825/PS4-Does-it-get-right-what-PS3-got-wrong
^Here's an article that ask devs about the PS4's development tools. At the least developers had a say in developing the PS4 this time around unlike the PS3. Things like the share button, triggers, and 8gb GDDR5 ram were put in due to developer feedback.

Ashane said:
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/07/12/microsoft-shame-on-us-for-xbox-one-messaging#.UeCHJx9CGKs.twitter

Looks like family sharing will most likely be back. Also some comments on how bad they messed up their messaging.

Pretty frank article really.
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Kudos to Marc Whitten for owning up to the mistakes Microsoft has made. Communication is key and they need to improve on that front.

 
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There's a dev right now on Reddit /xboxone doing a AMAA.

Thread link if anyone wants to ask anything: http://www.reddit.com/r/xboxone/comments/1i71s5/i_am_an_xbox_one_dev_ask_me_almost_anything/

Here's response to family share...


slamatron [score hidden]

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Was the family sharing how everyone imagined it to be like (sharing games with 10 people only 2 game play one at the same time) or was it glorified demos ?









 
 


[–]XboxOneDevConfirmed XB1 Dev[S] [score hidden]

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It was for full games. Can't comment too much on this but its purpose was to eliminate the need to ever have to physically hand someone a game that you bought to share with them.






 


Was the family sharing how everyone imagined it to be like (sharing games with 10 people only 2 game play one at the same time) or was it glorified demos ?



[–]XboxOneDevConfirmed XB1 Dev



It was for full games. Can't comment too much on this but its purpose was to eliminate the need to ever have to physically hand someone a game that you bought to share with them.
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I thought we aleady knew it was for full games. I don't have a reddit account but it would be good to know if the time limit was real or any restrictions for that matter. Or even allow it for digitally purchased games.




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The majority of the masses care only about the console, except that the success of the Kinect carries much more weight to us. The sensor costs almost as much as the console to make.
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O_O that sensor...






 
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Blaster man said:
Do you really think people do these things because you do? I have a fake facebook account for promos that I don't upload photos to or use for anything else. I have a web cam that is ONLY connected when in use and only used 1 or 2 times a year.
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but you use the internet don't you? the government watches everything you do on internet. just amazing people are more worried about ms spying on them then the government.

 
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Deader2818 said:
First of all, don't bring up 360/PS3 considering it has nothing to do with PS4/Xbox One specs. Two different architectures.

PS4/Xbox One are using PC parts this time around so its easy to now compare the two.

8 gigs of GDDR5 ram vs 8 Gigs of GDDR3 Ram. Also only 1 GB of ram is for the OS on PS4 as opposed to 4 GB of ram being for the OSes on Xbox One.

The Graphics card on the PS4 is also better (not sure by how much) than the one in the One.

Will it mean much for third party? Not going to be sure yet but that isnt a factor for me considering im not going to base which system I got on games I can get on either system.

Will it mean much for first party? Yes.
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rumors going around x1 is going to now have 12 gbs of ram

 
TimboSliceGB said:
ddr 5 and ddr 3 are not that big a diff like you would think
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You don't know what you are talking about.

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The guy replying is Lead Engine & Graphics Programmer @NaughtyDog. The obvious answer is traffic lanes which is what GDDR5 provides.

 
Ashane said:
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/07/12/microsoft-shame-on-us-for-xbox-one-messaging#.UeCHJx9CGKs.twitter

Looks like family sharing will most likely be back. Also some comments on how bad they messed up their messaging.

Pretty frank article really.
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The timing on this is funny considering Sony just announced this 2 days ago: PS4′s digital library lets you play your games anywhere & on anyone’s console

TimboSliceGB said:
rumors going around x1 is going to now have 12 gbs of ram
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This has already been all but disproven, the source site for this rumor was the Examiner which lets anyone post articles similar to pastebin, and secondly from the wired teardown pics they showed the rows of RAM and there was no room without a complete board redesign to add another 4GB, something they can't do less than 4 months prior to launch. Plus these units are already well in to production which is why a day 1 patch is needed to remove the DRM.

 
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Mr. Las Vegas said:
You can paint it all as Microsoft wanting to take us in a new direction, but not only did they fail to get that message across to its user base but some things just didn't add up, e.g. Major Nelson claiming you couldn't just reverse the 24 hour always on requirement and then they did just that, albeit with a firmware update.

I still can't figure out why they could not have kept the family plan going as to digital releases, and I still like to see the ability to disconnect the Kinect altogether. If you can already turn it off, why even have it required to be connected?
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Major Nelson got a lot of hate for no reason really. He said its not simple and they can't just flip a switch to remove it. People act like there's a DRM button and when they press it, all those features disappear along with any other code that was tied to it. I'm sure they have to do a lot of work to reverse everything that was built on it.

as for the family sharing...Since they would control the used game market, the family plan was a benefit we'd have instead. Now, people are greedy and want to be able to buy and sell used games, AND share digital titles with 10 people? lol Developers wouldn't make much money. They'd have to raise prices or have more microtransactions. If the family thing comes back, i'm sure it will limited more, because there's still a used market too. I bet if that happens, people will respond with "see! I told you the family plan isn't even as good as you guys hoped".

As for kinect being connected, people are over thinking it. Its as simple as "if its connected already, there's a bigger chance they'll use it". There was a few times where there was an optional kinect feature in a game and I thought "oh let me try that" and then i'd think about getting out my kinect and setting it up and figured it wasn't worth it. People also think it will be forced into games...i'm sure there will be kinect options in alot more games this gen, but it's not like its gonna be where i'm playing battlefield and forced to run around my living room going 'pew pew pew' to shoot instead of using a controller....

I do hope more games use voice commands though because Mass Effect 3 was such a great experience with kinect.

 
TimboSliceGB said:
typical person will not even notice a dif of ddr 5 to ddr 3 if ddr5 is a big deal plz explain why games don't even take advantage of the faster speeds of ddr5
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It's not about the typical person! It's what they can use to make the most out of it!

Which of course that would mean the typical person would see a difference.

 
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Mako1215 said:
I'm not sure I believe that.
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I can. A motion and vocal sensor as fine-tuned and specific as Microsoft is claiming costs a pretty penny. It's also a technology that is typically developed for military and/or medical use, not for something as trivial as a game console.

Assuming Kinect 2.0 does everything Microsoft is planning, it's similar to going from early DVDs straight to modern Blu-rays.
 
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Deader2818 said:
Using that logic why even have a ps4/xbox one. a typical person wont be able to see the difference!
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do you even know anything about ddr 5 vs ddr 3 other then what you read on the intenret ? if it was someone use ddr5 in a computer i would be like heck yes it's a giant deal but we are talking about ps4 we will never see the full power of ddr5 being used in the right way. just because it's in the system don't mean it will be used fully. Most games on pc don't evne support the advantages of ddr5.

 
TimboSliceGB said:
do you even know anything about ddr 5 vs ddr 3 other then what you read on the intenret ? if it was someone use ddr5 in a computer i would be like heck yes it's a giant deal but we are talking about ps4 we will never see the full power of ddr5 being used in the right way. just because it's in the system don't mean it will be used fully. Most games on pc don't evne support the advantages of ddr5.
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Seriously?

So why aren't our gfx cards ddr3?

 
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plus it's another thing how much that ram is used on graphics side which i think both systems should have 12 gb's even on a pc 8 gbs is almost never enough on high end games.

 
The timing on this is funny considering Sony just announced this 2 days ago: PS4′s digital library lets you play your games anywhere & on anyone’s console

This has already been all but disproven, the source site for this rumor was the Examiner which lets anyone post articles similar to pastebin, and secondly from the wired teardown pics they showed the rows of RAM and there was no room without a complete board redesign to add another 4GB, something they can't do less than 4 months prior to launch. Plus these units are already well in to production which is why a day 1 patch is needed to remove the DRM.



What you are referring to with Sony's "big announcement" is basically the same thing as you can do on the PS3 now so don't get all braggy.

Basically everyone knew that and even mentioned that in the PS4 thread.

So that doesn't really mean the same as the family plan.
 
look how long it took for 1st party games to take full advantage of ps3 power if you guys think games on ps4 will be mind blowing or look that much diff on ps4 then xbox one you just fooling your self. just because ps4 has ddr5 don't mean every single game will look or run better on it and be programmed right to use ddr5 memory.

 
RiPPn said:
The timing on this is funny considering Sony just announced this 2 days ago: PS4′s digital library lets you play your games anywhere & on anyone’s console
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When these articles came out, I started realizing either how much of fanboys people were, or how uninformed they were. The "play as you download" is a good feature, but people were specifically excited that you could play on any console and were saying "haha microsoft, this is how you're supposed to do it!" etc. not realizing this is how it already works on the xbox 360 and to some extent the ps3 right? I don't own a ps3 but I think I read it can be active on 2 consoles at any given time and to do a third, you have to deactivate one of the first two...or something like that, if someone could confirm.

But yeah, you can already do this on current gen consoles.

 
TimboSliceGB said:
do you even know anything about ddr 5 vs ddr 3 other then what you read on the intenret ? if it was someone use ddr5 in a computer i would be like heck yes it's a giant deal but we are talking about ps4 we will never see the full power of ddr5 being used in the right way. just because it's in the system don't mean it will be used fully. Most games on pc don't evne support the advantages of ddr5.
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Yeah, they just stick that shit in there to up the cost for no reason. They know it will never be used fully. This whole "next gen" thing is just a bunch of bullshit too.

 
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I'm starting to think timboslice knows more than Naughty Dog's Lead Engine and Graphics Programmer cause he goes to school for this "stuff", lol.
 

 
htz said:
I'm starting to think timboslice knows more than Naughty Dog's Lead Engine and Graphics Programmer cause he goes to school for this "stuff", lol.
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i never said it's not great to have but to think games including 1st party and 3rd party will run 10 times better on ps4 is just nonsense. people said same thing about ps3 and 360 and we seen how that turned out.

 
TimboSliceGB said:
i never said it's not great to have but to think games including 1st party and 3rd party will run 10 times better on ps4 is just nonsense. people said same thing about ps3 and 360 and we seen how that turned out.
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Everyone seriously needs to stop bringing up this argument. PS3/360 used different architecture. PS4/Xone do not.

 
TimboSliceGB said:
so what do you have to go on to say ps4 games will look better then xbox one games?
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Uh, better ram/graphics card?

I already said before that you will likely not see a difference on mulitplayer games since they will just program down to the Xone.

The difference will be in first party/exclusives. Which is just like how it is now.

 
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