Black Teen Shot, Killed By Neighborhood Watch
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The interview Rachel Jeantel did with Piers Morgan is very telling and confirms in my mind that the jury made the right decision.
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/piers-morgan-conducts-riveting-interview-with-trayvon-martins-friend-witness-rachel-jeantel/
In part 2, she says that in her era, getting bashed like Zimmerman did is just getting your ass whooped. This is not a world I want to live in, where violence against another person is just brushed off like this. Remember, this chick talked to Martin all day. This idea that Zimmerman should have taken his beating or figure out a way to ninja his way out of it is absurd.
After 40 seconds of getting his ass beat and yelling for help that would never come, he took the last resort he had every right to.
I can only infer that whooping Zimmerman's ass was one very real option in Trayvon Martin's mind.
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/piers-morgan-conducts-riveting-interview-with-trayvon-martins-friend-witness-rachel-jeantel/
In part 2, she says that in her era, getting bashed like Zimmerman did is just getting your ass whooped. This is not a world I want to live in, where violence against another person is just brushed off like this. Remember, this chick talked to Martin all day. This idea that Zimmerman should have taken his beating or figure out a way to ninja his way out of it is absurd.
After 40 seconds of getting his ass beat and yelling for help that would never come, he took the last resort he had every right to.
I can only infer that whooping Zimmerman's ass was one very real option in Trayvon Martin's mind.
More raging insults. Yes i edited out the word liberal, as i know some good liberals, and they'd be ashamed to be put in the same bracket as a few on here. You see, im able to discuss without insulting you, and without claiming somebody who thinks like me owned you or ripped you to shreds elsewhere. (pretty childish but what's new?)
The juror called her uneducated and unable to communicate well. I expect a backlash to that.
Why are you openly speaking, rather than directly addressing me? Nobody else is interested in a little pointless squabble. Likewise im not interested if im on your ignore list, no need to announce it. If it means i wont be subjected to childish insults from you, then great.
Lots of things to do with this case have been mindless from people. But it's not really a petty insult like 'idiot' now is it. If you cannot handle debate with insulting or ignoring people im not sure a forum is the right place for you.
Anyway i think i'll leave this thread for a bit. Still yet to see anyone on the left mock or condemn any racism from numerous black people on this case. I'll keep waiting though ?
This may be hard to believe, but fighting typically does not kill people. People get into fights and get punched, beat up, whatever and then they go on with their lives. Bloody noses and black eyes heal and then it's behind you. You win some, you lose some, but you live to fight another day. Unless an armed racist vigilante chases you down fully intent on killing you and does just that, then your days of fighting are over. From the comments here you'd think GZ was beaten to within inches of his life (after chasing TM down). He had a 1cm worth of minor abrasions and a bloody nose. That's great bodily harm? smh.
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You know, this kinda of post really outlines the problem I have with a lot of the people supporting Zimmerman: it's one thing if you thought that he should get off because there wasn't enough evidence to convict him, but why do you seem to be celebrating the fact that he got off scott-free with killing a child? Why are you so goddamn ecstatic about the fact that a kid who was walking home from the store, was followed by, confronted by, and gunned down by a complete stranger, and the guy who did it isn't gonna answer for what he did? What the
kind of mental gymnastics do you have to pull to get the sick joy you all seem to be getting out of this ing tragedy? As a 30-year old black man in the south, I'm absolutely terrified of this mindset.The internet has created a new breed of sociopath, and this thread is living proof of that.
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Not everybody wants to fight. If you're bashing on someone for 40 seconds while they call for help, don't be surprised if they defend themselves with lethal force. Fighting may be no big deal in the hood and how regular people resolve disputes, but not in the society I want to live in.
There is ZERO evidence Zimmerman chased anyone down. He was at the t-intersection. Martin would have had to double back to confront HIM. If this happened closer to Martin's dad's house, then maybe you'd have a point, but you don't.
Because he wasn't a child. He was a black teenage thug who attacked Zimmerman for no other reason than that he might have been looking at him from a distance. He returned to the t-intersection and started a fight that Zimmerman did not want to participate in, as evidenced by Zimmerman taking a beating for 40 seconds while screaming for help. When no help came, he did was every goddamn American should do in that situation, take the necessary steps to protect his life.
Now you have people in Los Angeles confirmed to be destroying property and attacking cars. Across the nation highways, intersections and streets are being blocked, either because "demonstrators" were brainwashed by the media or blacks and guilty white Occupy shitheads are the true sociopaths who do not believe in the rule of law. An unlawful assembly has just been declared in Los Angeles. A time limit has been set for the demonstrators to disperse.
I am happy because politicized mob justice did not win out. He should have never been charged in the first place. I was so happy for Zimmerman that my hands were shaking when the verdict was read.
I will be happy when Zimmerman either wins or becomes immune to civil litigation. I will be happy when he prevails in his suit against NBC News. I will be happy when the DOJ's prosecution of Zimmerman goes nowhere.
I will be happy when we finally have that honest national discussion on race, but that discussion won't be me admitting that black-white gaps are caused entirely by racism or history.
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The same problem I have with people supporting Martin. They go to the extreme with portraying Martin as a 12 year old little boy who did nothing wrong to Zimmerman. When in fact the evidence and the witnesses show a very different picture. I know Zimmerman didnt get away "scott-free" when you have the media doing everything in their power to ruin someone who defended himself. We can rehash the same argument everyone has been having since the start of the trial. Which will do no good. Just for the heck of it since you brought it up. I'm a 27 year old white/Indian living in the Mideast.You know, this kinda of post really outlines the problem I have with a lot of the people supporting Zimmerman: it's one thing if you thought that he should get off because there wasn't enough evidence to convict him, but why do you seem to be celebrating the fact that he got off scott-free with killing a child? Why are you so goddamn ecstatic about the fact that a kid who was walking home from the store, was followed by, confronted by, and gunned down by a complete stranger, and the guy who did it isn't gonna answer for what he did? What the
The internet has created a new breed of sociopath, and this thread is living proof of that.
Oh really?
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-204_162-57583107/soccer-referees-death-shows-how-dangerous-head-blows-can-be/
http://www.newburyportnews.com/local/x845847259/Autopsy-finds-evidence-of-homicide-Seabrook-mans-death
all it takes is one hit to the head... but boys will be boys... no reason to hold anyone accountable...
I doubt we'll ever get a proper discussion on race. As we saw with that girl tonight, she can see an all white old jury and be ageist and racist and profile them as white we ain't got a chance. But a juror viewed her as uneducated and people claimed the juror profilled her.
The reverse racism trend is too rampant to allow for a discussion on race. Cracka is ok to use due to the culture and enviroment these people are from. Yet say you're from an enviroment in the deep south that calls black people n***** would that be ok then? Of course not. But that's the double standards we have.
People allowing their agenda's or their race or political leanings dictate how thei view everything. And as we've seen with black people with this case, once you take a side purely on race then you become immune to facts or laws it's just anger and emotion.
The black culture and mentallity that exists within the 'hood' or 'ghetto' the culture that many on the right despise and dislike, is ultimately one that hurts black people the most. While some crime spills out onto other races, the majority leads to black people being in jail, hospital or worse than that. And instead of educating and focusing on distancing that mentallity and culture, it's glorified and those that dislike it mocked, and dismissed as racists.
Piers Morgan the anti gun advocate who sheepishly acted like he had no idea what cracker meant, and laughed when the girl insinuated white blondes were dumb, has his twitter profile a picture of him and snoop dog. I mean it doesn't get more hypocritical.
I suppose if you keep people dumbed down, then instead of being intelligent enough to form their own views and see past manipulation, they'll continue to define everything by race, vote the same way and certain people benefit from that.
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I would still bet that if you look at the % of people killed after being shot vs the % of people killed after being punched that they are not even in the same ballpark. Can someone die from a beating? Certainly. The real question is do we consider any physical altercation grounds for lethal force? I am not saying there is an easy answer but if the starting point is you can shoot anyone who has begun to lay hands on you then that is a scary proposition.
How long should he have waited? He had been screaming help for at least 40 seconds? Till his head got hit on the concrete a few more times? Till his nose was fully broken? If the basis was just a fight between two people and one was losing then you may have a point. But not many fights ive seen where one side hasn't took any hits and the other is shouting help every few seconds.
If you have a stranger who you view as not right and suspicious, who's beating the crap out of you and you're shouting loud as you can for help, and nobody is coming, and he isn't stopping, and you also have a deadly weapon on you. I think it's natural you worry if he gets this weapon im doomed, or i gotta use it before i get knocked out
From that standpoint the basis it's just a fight...doesn't work.
If GZ hadn't chased/hunted/stalked the "suspicious" unarmed innocent kid, there'd have been no confrontation whatsoever.
I don't think anyone is ecstatic about a person dying. They are ecstatic that the jury did not submit to the external pressure that an emotional public and frenzied media wanted to bring down on the justice system.You know, this kinda of post really outlines the problem I have with a lot of the people supporting Zimmerman: it's one thing if you thought that he should get off because there wasn't enough evidence to convict him, but why do you seem to be celebrating the fact that he got off scott-free with killing a child? Why are you so goddamn ecstatic about the fact that a kid who was walking home from the store, was followed by, confronted by, and gunned down by a complete stranger, and the guy who did it isn't gonna answer for what he did? What the
The internet has created a new breed of sociopath, and this thread is living proof of that.
If not that, they are just trolling which is bau for the internet. Take it for what it always is.
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What mindset is he terrified of? Manipulating media, choosing pictures to distort appearance and age to whip up a hate frenzy lynch mob that has over a million people barking for the killing of a guy found not guilty of any crime? If so it's exactly what a lot of people defending Zimmerman are against.
It's amazing that a lot of white people defending this hispanic from race baiting, hate inciting are called racist . Probably why it took so long to end slavery
It's amazing that a lot of white people defending this hispanic from race baiting, hate inciting are called racist . Probably why it took so long to end slavery
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I don't disagree with what you're saying but it's not material.
If the prosecution had not brought up the Chewbacca defense and the defense had not brought up the Chewbacca defense but the jury charge included them considering the Chewbacca defense, it would be a Chewbacca defense case. SYG was a standard that the jury must consider.
Ergo, reality.
Note that she brought it up, not that it really matters.
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You said it, brah.I am a huge piece of shit.
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I'm not opposed to some trolling and I'm guilty of it myself as are most of the people on vs., but this is way over the
ing top. That's some stormfront-level bullshit right there. Even the worst of us wouldn't post that shit.
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Not using SYG was absolutely material to the defense's theory of the case. As I stated earlier, he waived his right to SYG immunity hearing. They did not want to deal with SYG because it would make them more vulnerable to manslaughter. O'Mara was smart enough to realize that SYG is entwined the self-defense statute in FL. He knew the jury would read it, be confused by it and ultimately he would get the civil benefits of SYG and I guess any tangential benefits it afforded in criminal court.
Based on the juror's comments it does seem as though SYG might have played a part in finding GZ not guilty but that was not the defenses theory of the case. That's not what they argued and yes this makes a difference.
Last but not least, every jury is confused and overwhelmed by jury instructions, I'm certain your friend will agree with this. Additionally, juries often times fail to distinguish between the nuances of the law which is understandable as 27 pages of legal jargon would be overwhelming to most.
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Cool. Don't forget to include the entire post and link back to it. We wouldn't want anyone to think that you're a lying sack of racist shit or anything.
The jurors comments were very interesting. 3 originally( 2 for manslaughter one for second degree murder) wanted to find him guilty of the 6 . On studying the laws further they realized he had to be acquitted. So 6 jurors who fully took up their roles, studied the law, and made sure they came to the right decision(according to the law)
For that they have all been insulted, called a racist biased white jury, pompus, and now people are demanding black jurors on such cases. So if people following the law doesn't get you the verdict you want, demand people who might not follow the law? Is this the direction our society is heading?
Also on CNN some woman again repeated that Zimmerman saiding coon(how do they get away with this) then tried to rephrase and followed up by saying they now changed it, and say he said ing punks. When that was a different thing all together, he said it's ing cold, and somehow CNN decided to run with ing coon.
Finally been two reported attacks 1 on a jogger and one a hispanic man walking home. Both times by a mob of people angry at the verdict. Also raids in Walmart by a black gang who were chanting it's not a crime to be black, im not sure if they were or were not aware if it was a crime to raid a store.
For that they have all been insulted, called a racist biased white jury, pompus, and now people are demanding black jurors on such cases. So if people following the law doesn't get you the verdict you want, demand people who might not follow the law? Is this the direction our society is heading?
Also on CNN some woman again repeated that Zimmerman said
ing coon(how do they get away with this) then tried to rephrase and followed up by saying they now changed it, and say he said ing punks. When that was a different thing all together, he said it's ing cold, and somehow CNN decided to run with ing coon.Finally been two reported attacks 1 on a jogger and one a hispanic man walking home. Both times by a mob of people angry at the verdict. Also raids in Walmart by a black gang who were chanting it's not a crime to be black, im not sure if they were or were not aware if it was a crime to raid a store.
Stay classy my friend.You said it, brah.
I'm not opposed to some trolling and I'm guilty of it myself as is most of the people on vs., but this is way over the
So you think I'll get banned? I'm sorry but who is the one who edit my post to say something different when they quoted me? I just posted a pic of Zimmerman asking are you mad and by the looks of the way you are acting I think you are. I remember why I put you on the ignore list in the 1st place. You like to twist words or just change the whole quote into something that the OP didn't even say.
Just in case you try to rereedit my quote.You said it, brah.
I'm not opposed to some trolling and I'm guilty of it myself as is most of the people on vs., but this is way over the
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Seriously? Not everyone is brought up in an enviroment of "ass whoopings", or knows how severe it will be. Violence begets violence, I think he took it to far and forced GZ to do what he could to save himself. If TM ran off as was reported, and had a good lead, than did he get lost and circle back, or did he just go a little bit and hide. It was pitch black, he could have easily laid low, or since he was only 70 meters from home, just go home and forget his "pride". If a out of shape guy with a tiny flashlight found him in the dark and rain, in a minute which a sufficient lead that is amazing. I think it's more likely TM stayed just out of range and got in his face and we know how the rest played out.
LOL that's awesome, don't ever let it go. I'll buy it off you! The first step to accepting you're a troll is admitting you are one.
This is funny coming from a guy that trolls with his sig. Good show.
So the motive for Martin beating Zimmerman is becoming more apparent. Jeantel and Martin got it into their heads that Zimmerman may have been a gay rapist. She specifically connects rapist and homosexuality in her Piers Morgan interview. She will likely be given a pass for this because she's "real" or something.
In any case, coupled with her other comments about Zimmerman's bashing being just an ass whoopin', it's becoming more likely that Trayvon Martin did attack and not because he felt threatened, but because he felt offended, possibly because he thought Zimmerman was a gay predator.
The jury, again, made the right decision.
In any case, coupled with her other comments about Zimmerman's bashing being just an ass whoopin', it's becoming more likely that Trayvon Martin did attack and not because he felt threatened, but because he felt offended, possibly because he thought Zimmerman was a gay predator.
The jury, again, made the right decision.
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Just a note:
I notice that alot ( most ) right wingers are pretty much sociopaths or heartless human beings...
For a group that pretty much champion for a bunch of cells that isn't even human, they sure don't care much about kids being shot up by a crazed mass shooter or a kid getting shot by some wannabee racist who failed police academy.
You should see their lack of care for guns in the Sandy Hook thread, and in this they are quite fine with a unarmed teen being murdered by some 30 yr old neighborhood watch with no license in security work or the likes..
I notice that alot ( most ) right wingers are pretty much sociopaths or heartless human beings...
For a group that pretty much champion for a bunch of cells that isn't even human, they sure don't care much about kids being shot up by a crazed mass shooter or a kid getting shot by some wannabee racist who failed police academy.
You should see their lack of care for guns in the Sandy Hook thread, and in this they are quite fine with a unarmed teen being murdered by some 30 yr old neighborhood watch with no license in security work or the likes..
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Just to clarify information you're hiding. Zimmerman's own words clearly show his racial bias. “
ing punks. These assholes they always get away…” What pray tell do you think he means. Who are "they" when there is only one boy?His own cousin talked about how racist his whole family is about blacks. She also alleges that he sexually abused her. Also, the man has a history of violence beating women. Nope, no relationship to the lone ranger here. And conservatives will malign Trayvon based on their stereotypes of a black man. And the jurors thought race had nothing to do with this! That is whitewashing! The jury is obviously racist to hold that view.
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I want to try.
I notice that alot (most) left wingers are pretty much psychopaths and brainless human beings...
For a group that pretty much champion for minorities and racial equality, they needlessly publized a case that could only fan the flames of hate and had no business being public, a president who opines with "Trayvon could have been my son" and turn back racial progress by 40 years, they sure don't care much about verdicts or evidence or the rule of law and decision of the court and continue to stomp their feet after they don't get there way.
You should see their lack of wanting real equality in the White Males Need Not Apply thread, and in this they are quite fine with someone being denied a job based on their race. They actually harbor ill will to whites for being the "majority" and being racists when racism is a human things, not a single race thing, and most whites just struggle like everyone else and don't oppress other races of people.
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Just to clarify information you're hiding. Zimmerman's own words clearly show his racial bias. “
His own cousin talked about how racist his whole family is about blacks. She also alleges that he sexually abused her. Also, the man has a history of violence beating women. Nope, no relationship to the lone ranger here. And conservatives will malign Trayvon based on their stereotypes of a black man. And the jurors thought race had nothing to do with this! That is whitewashing! The jury is obviously racist to hold that view.
ing punks and These assholes could refer to the rash of robberies going on around the gated community at the time. The word asshole and punk are not racially sensitive in spite of you implying they refer to black males. I think burglars are punks and assholes of any race. He didn't use any racial terms although the word Cracka was used by Trayvon, the only direct use of a racial term. Now I know whites are not allowed to be offended, and it doesn't really bother anyone, but that word is obviously used to describe one race of people by another.Since neither you or I know whether he is racist or not, I can only go on what others have said about him. One black neighbor described him as always very kind to her. his prom date was a black woman, he was raised with other black kids, and tutored other in his free time. He also complained to the police about a cop reportedly beating a black homeless person. His 911 call, not the edited one NBC tried to pass off as real, doesn't mention the race until he is asked. So please back up something you say with evidence unlike the prosecution failed to do.
Who are you talking about? I am pro-choice.
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So, the BLACK kid he saw was a burglar... Gee whiz... I wonder WHY he thought that? PLEASE! What bubble do you live in? You don't know the words racists use to instead of saying it outright? Hmmmm... let me edumacate you: ghetto, hustler, & pimp (as Tucker Carlson CONSERVATIVE douche said), and the list goes on and on. Grow up. Learn about racism from people who have experienced it because that is what racism is based on. I'm sure your simple sheltered mind can't grasp that. If you think that just because Zimmerman says "hi," dates a black girl, etc and that precludes them from any racist beliefs, I got some property to sell you in Alpha Centauri to sell you. I guess a family member who has the inside track and exposed to the families racism is not as relevant as some random woman. The world pays for American's ignorance. Looks like so do the minorities in America.
Since neither you or I know whether he is racist or not, I can only go on what others have said about him. One black neighbor described him as always very kind to her. his prom date was a black woman, he was raised with other black kids, and tutored other in his free time. He also complained to the police about a cop reportedly beating a black homeless person. His 911 call, not the edited one NBC tried to pass off as real, doesn't mention the race until he is asked. So please back up something you say with evidence unlike the prosecution failed to do.
And LMFAO ROFL!!!! "Cracka"?!?!? Just ruined your whole day now! Again you fail to grasp key components of racism. Let Louis CK break it down for you...
Louis CK - Being White
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4f9zR5yzY
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Maybe thats why the right is ok with Martin being killed and actually feel good about it...
Maybe those soccer moms ( typically republicans voters ) voted not guilty.... hmmmmmm
Maybe its a stab at Obama...
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Wow, this is gold. I'm saving this one. Obama is at fault for raising this case. No, racists don't fan the flames but the people who might point it out. You clearly don't understand RACISM at all. Ask yourself what is the key component/factor with racism and tell us oh dear expert on racism! Please tell us!
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By the way how many times have Zimmerman called the cops or 911 about "black" kids..
Nope he's not a racist, he just sees black people....LOL
Nope he's not a racist, he just sees black people....LOL
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Dang!!! I deserve that Doh! I will revoke it myself until I prove my worth again!!!Hey joeboosauce,
I'm going to have to revoke your leftist card because you forgot the biggest dogwhistle in this case: thug.
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LOL! Good one.
Not liking the new forum program. Can't delete duplicate posts and not post my sig as we could before. Or its not as obvious.
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Anyways would a jury acquit Martin or would any of the righties here even defend Martin, if that night Martin wrestle the gun away from Zimmerman and shot him and claim self-defense because Zimmerman tried to pull a gun on him ..
I bet NOT!!!!!!
I bet NOT!!!!!!
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It's to bad you know everything about racism and can objectively look at it from all sides and instantly pick on intentions of events and people you never met, and yet the best you can do is rant about it on a video game site devoted to getting cheap deals on video games. I'm sure you can turn this into a motivational speak thing, become a expert in trials or become the next MLK and make a difference.
Why do you continue to argue that Zimmerman hated black people and was gunning for one to shoot, but he didn't shoot him, he decided he wanted to wrestle first? Does that honestly make sense to you? You can't have it both ways.
This Zimmerman guy is one brilliant strategist.
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