Let's argue about Mike Brown!

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Why embed undercover officers? To maybe overhear planned acts of crime, or to maybe be in position to serve and protect without raising tensions by wearing the uniform. After many people complained that the police did nothing to stop looting and rioting, what do you expect from them?
As far as the history of a group, consult the stats as to how many violent crimes are attributed to blacks versus the whole population. It would suck to assume that all black people are violent, right? But the police abuse of force numbers are lower in percentage, so make your case based on that. Police also should have to pass a back ground check and polygraph before getting hired. That earns them my trust until proven otherwise. The people they deal with are an unknown quantity, and thus less reliable.
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http://www.policeone.com/news/44387-POLYGRAPHS-FAKE-OR-REAL/

Ahhh... can mr.bigot here please attach proof of the following or he just have a innate beef with minorities, you know like SOME LEOs... ;)
 
I've been through 3 polygraphs. They are bunk. Big time.

That's not to say that I'm some crazy criminal. I've personally witnessed top LEOs fail due to nerves. It's a crap shoot, and examiners are known to alter results as they see fit. Why? Because there is no appeals process for failure.
 
Again, Finger Shocker is relating police officers...you know, the ones who risk their lives to make sure you don't get mugged on the street and that your home doesn't get broken into...to the KKK, the mob, and street gangs.

So, ok...let's just get rid of cops then. They're not helping or contributing to society in any meaningful way. And I'm sure we'd be fine without them. They're all bad anyway...with their ulterior motives and their conspiracies.

Also...did you actually just suggest that police officers should pass a background check before being hired....as though that doesn't happen now...? What in the holy fuck are you on?

 
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I've been through 3 polygraphs. They are bunk. Big time. That's not to say that I'm some crazy criminal. I've personally witnessed top LEOs fail due to nerves. It's a crap shoot, and examiners are known to alter results as they see fit. Why? Because there is no appeals process for failure.
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Yeah, there's a reason they aren't admissible in court.

 
I know police officers undergo background checks, as do firefighters. I figure almost all municipalities follow this procedure. Sorry I didn't make it clearer. My intent was that since you have undergone a background check to become a public safety worker, then that lends you more credibility than just Joe average off the street. Does it guarantee no dirtbags get hired? Hell no, but at least it is some scrutiny. I've taken two polygraphs in a hiring process. One was easy and fast, one was long, drawn out, and unprofessional. I agree that they are not reliable, but the thought of them in a hiring process will hopefully dissuade some nefarious individuals from even applying.

 
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Btw, Benjamin Crump is an asshole hack. He favorites his own tweets.

Re: Tamir Rice: I place the majority of the blame on the cop driving and on Rice. The cop driving, by pulling up like that, gave the one in the passenger seat very few options. Rice should have put his hands up, and shouldn't have been playing with an illegal toy gun and waving it around like a madman.
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If the cops were in the right. Why did they lie vs. What the video showed.
 


Msut77 said:
If the cops were in the right. Why did they lie vs. What the video showed.
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For you, Biscuit: http://www.alexisartwohl.com/pdf/FBI%20article.pdf

Don't feel like reading it? Summary: Under times of high stress (such as lethal force encounters), perception can be distorted. Sometimes significantly. Over time, perception can change of what happened to more accurately reflect the events that actually happened, but it's not guaranteed. Which is why video evidence and having multiple eyewitnesses helps in figuring out the actual events.

Which is why the idea that multiple eyewitnesses with forensic evidence backing their testimony trumps other eyewitnesses.

 
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Again, Finger Shocker is relating police officers...you know, the ones who risk their lives to make sure you don't get mugged on the street and that your home doesn't get broken into...to the KKK, the mob, and street gangs.

So, ok...let's just get rid of cops then. They're not helping or contributing to society in any meaningful way. And I'm sure we'd be fine without them. They're all bad anyway...with their ulterior motives and their conspiracies.

Also...did you actually just suggest that police officers should pass a background check before being hired....as though that doesn't happen now...? What in the holy fuck are you on?
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Are you serious.....

First of all police HARDLY EVER IF NEVER ever stop a violent crime or any crime for that matter in progress, do they solve crime SURE, but to say that police stop crime is pure B.S.

If police ever did stop crime, maybe they quit posting rewards and videos asking for the public's help ....

Until police starts arresting each other for crimes, I get to say maybe they are better rid off, at least with citizens' arrest I can at least hope for fairness and impartiality and accountability

Oh yea again, what do cops do when they see another cop committing a crime: THIS

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/12/buffalo-cop-under-investigation-after-local-station-catches-him-attacking-man-with-his-nightstick/

I'm so glad they are out protecting the innocents and not themselves

 
What was that? Am I seeing a racist and hypocrite posting the same inane babble again? Yup . . .

Way to be consistent at least.
 
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Are you serious.....

First of all police HARDLY EVER IF NEVER ever stop a violent crime or any crime for that matter in progress, do they solve crime SURE, but to say that police stop crime is pure B.S.

If police ever did stop crime, maybe they quit posting rewards and videos asking for the public's help ....

Until police starts arresting each other for crimes, I get to say maybe they are better rid off, at least with citizens' arrest I can at least hope for fairness and impartiality and accountability

Oh yea again, what do cops do when they see another cop committing a crime: THIS

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/12/buffalo-cop-under-investigation-after-local-station-catches-him-attacking-man-with-his-nightstick/

I'm so glad they are out protecting the innocents and not themselves
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Police don't stop crimes from happening? Are you...I can't even tell if you're serious anymore. I was being sarcastic when I said "let's just get rid of cops then", but you're actually running with it aren't you? My God, you are a magnificent creature.

How about this? Arresting criminals and keeping them off the streets helps to stop crime. The less people inclined to break the law running amok around society, the less crimes there are going to be. It's called being preventative. Are you really condemning them for not being everywhere at all times and literally saying "Hey! You stop that!" as somebody is robbing someone.

Don't you think that's by design a little bit? I mean, what freaking moron criminal just carries through with his law breaking while a cop is anywhere nearby? Yes, most arrests are after the fact...but it stops these lowlifes from doing it again. Seriously, dude. This shit is getting remedial. Do you wear velcro shoes?

 
[quote name="Finger_Shocker" post="12328990" timestamp="1418629840"]http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/12/buffalo-cop-under-investigation-after-local-station-catches-him-attacking-man-with-his-nightstick/

except when it is being committed by one of their own ;)[/quote]
I'm sorry, but repeating the same bullshit story without making valid points doesn't make you right.

There is an active investigation going on. If every time force was used, an arrest was made, we'd have no police force. Period. They are investigating if it was excessive. It's possible an arrest will come down the line. But that's not for the officers on scene to decide.

Why don't you go back to posting racist and hypocritical statements again? At least then you can be believed as just a troll.
 
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I'm sorry, but repeating the same bullshit story without making valid points doesn't make you right. There is an active investigation going on. If every time force was used, an arrest was made, we'd have no police force. Period. They are investigating if it was excessive. It's possible an arrest will come down the line. But that's not for the officers on scene to decide. Why don't you go back to posting racist and hypocritical statements again? At least then you can be believed as just a troll.
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YAWN.... Apparently your ok with police committing crimes while other police watch....

Now here's a riddle for you, if the camera crews wasn't around will it get reported by other officers?

Kinda like if nobody was around would a tree make a sound if it falls

But keep eating that golden shit, I hear its for the gullible

 
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Here's another story of our fun crime stopping cops

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2826289/Depressed-NYC-cop-gambled-night-local-casino-collecting-40-000-fellow-officers-said-New-York-Giants-tickets-safe-Bronx.html

So this cop SWINDLE 40,000 ( thats right FORTY THOUSAND ) dollars, from his "friends"...  He gambled it all away

Did he get arrested?  NO

What did fellow cops do?  NOTHING

Now if I swindled 40G or god forbid a couple millions like Madoff, I think I would be arrested and facing a trial soon..

COP = NOTHING

Wonder who's above the law..

Guess cops don't have time catching their own, just the rest of us...   :)

 
[quote name="Finger_Shocker" post="12329038" timestamp="1418635855"] :whistle2:

YAWN.... Apparently your ok with police committing crimes while other police watch....

Now here's a riddle for you, if the camera crews wasn't around will it get reported by other officers?

Kinda like if nobody was around would a tree make a sound if it falls

But keep eating that golden shit, I hear its for the gullible[/quote]
Yes, I think it'd be reported and investigated. Just as it is now. The fuck do you know, though? You make broad generalizations with no knowledge. Which goes hand in hand with your hypocritical statements and blatant racism.

I've witnessed officers report misconduct to the brass depending on the severity. I've also witnessed officers confront another to keep them in check. Officers have been fired. Some have had charges brought against them.

Fact is, mistakes happen. Intent matters, along with the impact. So does the frequency.

In LE, decisions are made on the fly with major impact. No one would do the job if mistakes can't happen. Which is why officers get leniency based off intent, impact and frequency.
 


Finger_Shocker said:
Here's another story of our fun crime stopping cops http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2826289/Depressed-NYC-cop-gambled-night-local-casino-collecting-40-000-fellow-officers-said-New-York-Giants-tickets-safe-Bronx.html So this cop SWINDLE 40,000 ( thats right FORTY THOUSAND ) dollars, from his "friends"... He gambled it all away Did he get arrested? NO What did fellow cops do? NOTHING Now if I swindled 40G or god forbid a couple millions like Madoff, I think I would be arrested and facing a trial soon.. COP = NOTHING Wonder who's above the law.. Guess cops don't have time catching their own, just the rest of us... :)
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"Duncan was unlikely to be arrested in the case because of his mental issues, though individual cops could press charges, the sources said."

So, to make things clear for you: if a friend stole money from you, and you decided to not press charges, they're not going to get arrested. In this case, he'll probably be charged (but they need media won't follow it) or at the very least fired.

Do you want special prosecution for him because he's a cop? For real, what's your deal? You a felon that hasn't come to terms with taking responsibility for your own actions? Or do you just get off on pointing out individual fuck ups by LE because you couldn't make the grade?

 
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Technically charges can still be brought even if no one file a complaint, however proving the case might not go well.  But yes you can still be arrested and charged even if the victim/s do not press charges.   See domestic violence ..

Apparently with all the bad cops out there, it is giving you a hard time rebutting as to the greatness of the police that you continue to champion and have resorted to personal attacks and troll calling ... Good job you are taking the same techniques from how cops shifts negatives news from themselves by blaming/attacking the victim :)

Who knew the tree have so many bad apples, I mean that tree must be damn rotten to have so many rotten apples hanging on it..  The tree being the ORGANIZATION sounds familiar

 
[quote name="Finger_Shocker" post="12329075" timestamp="1418643188"]Technically charges can still be brought even if no one file a complaint, however proving the case might not go well. But yes you can still be arrested and charged even if the victim/s do not press charges. See domestic violence ..

Apparently with all the bad cops out there, it is giving you a hard time rebutting as to the greatness of the police that you continue to champion and have resorted to personal attacks and troll calling ... Good job you are taking the same techniques from how cops shifts negatives news from themselves by blaming/attacking the victim :)

Who knew the tree have so many bad apples, I mean that tree must be damn rotten to have so many rotten apples hanging on it.. The tree being the ORGANIZATION sounds familiar[/quote]
Yes, but with what evidence? Without proof of theft, it'll go nowhere.

You're still listing 1% of the police versus the majority. You're really off if you believe that is greater than the general population.

I like how you avoided my questions though. Good job on your felony, kid. Typical cop blocker.

And really, I've called you exactly what you are. You made blatantly racist comments, and hypocritical comments. Ones so blatant that you can't refute then. So yeah, sorry for calling a spade a spade?
 
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LOLZ...watch out world. Fearia is the MLK for whites and calling people out for the Real Racism: racism against whites. Why don't people care about racism against whites? Q_Q
 
[quote name="dohdough" post="12329100" timestamp="1418646743"]LOLZ...watch out world. Fearia is the MLK for whites and calling people out for the Real Racism: racism against whites. Why don't people care about racism against whites? Q_Q[/quote]
Oh, so it's okay for racism in any form? Gotcha.
 
Nope. Actually, I just point it out when someone is being purely hypocritical while saying things are racist. And, you know, being blatantly racist. I don't just accuse without evidence like how some people here have against certain officers.

Case in point, we all know rebelschs is either a troll or just really racist. But he doesn't pretend he isn't. Calling him out on it is pointless.
 
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Yes, but with what evidence? Without proof of theft, it'll go nowhere. You're still listing 1% of the police versus the majority. You're really off if you believe that is greater than the general population. I like how you avoided my questions though. Good job on your felony, kid. Typical cop blocker. And really, I've called you exactly what you are. You made blatantly racist comments, and hypocritical comments. Ones so blatant that you can't refute then. So yeah, sorry for calling a spade a spade?
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Its so hard to tell if they are good apples when they cover for the bad apples. I mean why would someone who have a good moral standing or at least they were hired under such notion allow and condone and accept criminal acts around them. So hard ... So hard..

I mean I'm stil a good guy as long as I don't rob, kill, steal like my friends right. I just condone and accept their behaviors tho ;), they are just bad apples, I'm still the good apple ;)

Pretty sure that 10% we have reached so far. ( of course that conservative, who knew I would be a conservative for once )......... LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/mass-investigated-sending-masturbation-videos-article-1.2040093

Hmmmm, if only that psychological and polygraph found out he was a pervert to begin with

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/nypd-union-strikes-back-bad-database-article-1.2026184

Wow, cops don't want a database of information against bad cops ... I wonder why :)

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/05/27/my-friend-was-raped-by-a-cop-why-acquittal-of-nypds-kenneth-moreno-franklin-mata-was-an-injustice.html

I swear I was just in her apartment coddling her when she was drunk, he even went back three times into her apartment. What a great caring cop :)

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/video-shows-ala-teen-fatal-shooting-article-1.1181371

Sure he was naked, but I bet he was packin' a biggie between his leg. Sometimes a big dick can be a very dangerous object and be mistaken for a weapon....LOL

 
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Actually, I largely get it from you. It seems you've got a hard on for my kind, so I get all the latest trash pieces from you. You're just as bad as the badge bunnies. It's cute.

Psst . . . you're still a racist hypocrite.  Nice deflection though!  Should we start posting all crime stories here now, no matter their age?  I bet I'll win on the LEO committed vs Non-LEO committed crimes!

Seriously, what's your major malfunction?  I mean, you must've really fucked up pretty badly to shrug all responsibility off and blame the police each time something happens.  Echoing your life much?  Did you get caught selling drugs?  Maybe smoking some pot and got arrested and then grounded?

My intuition tells me that you've been arrested at least once.  Such dedication and denial doesn't just come from nowhere.

 
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I'll just raise this point, Finger Shocker, how many stories do you think are written about "good cops"? You keep saying "Oh, here's another bad cop story. And here's another one."

But wouldn't logic dictate that you're not going to find stories with headlines of "Officer Johnson Finishes His Shift With No Incidents...Has Turkey Sandwich For Lunch." If I used the 5 o'clock news as my barometer for society, I'd think everyone was a child neglecting, spouse beating, rapist thief.

But you tell me what judging and generalizing an entire group because of the actions of a few is called. Hmm...what do they call that again?

 
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I guess I'm just really curious as to why Finger Shopper hates cops so much. I mean this thing started as outrage over the 3 recent officer involved deaths. I disagree about the outrage for some of them but still, I at least get it. What I don't understand is how you can hate cops so much that you essentially are advocating for their complete abolition.

Seriously, did you have some really bad personal experiences or what because this level of vitriole seems inexplicable to me.
 
I think he wants extreme oversight of their activities, just like I do for welfare recipients. ;) The problem being that the costs would be extreme and create larger gov't. The unlimited number of variables in the situations  makes questioning a police officer's actions a very difficult process also. Do your employers demand absolute perfection from you? Of course not as much is at stake at most occupations.

 
If you're tired of seeing this Ferguson stuff on your timeline, just imagine how tired black people must be about getting unjustly murdered!

Reasons white people riot: 1. their sports team wins 2. their sports team loses 3. no more tickle me elmos 4. tea 5. pumpkins

Not all white people are racist; but every white person does benefit from racism. Please, listen to people of colour, and their experiences.

 
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YAWN.... Apparently your ok with police committing crimes while other police watch....

Now here's a riddle for you, if the camera crews wasn't around will it get reported by other officers?

Kinda like if nobody was around would a tree make a sound if it falls

But keep eating that golden shit, I hear its for the gullible
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He is ok with them lying about it also...

 
Just more from your friendly neighborhood police, St.Louis don't have a racial problem

http://www.msnbc.com/all/cop-who-shoved-don-lemon-and-threatened-kill-everybody-get-full-pension

http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2014/08/26/dan_page_reveals_disturbing_views_on_race_military_assault_and_government.html

A racist, bigot, misogynist, and a nutcase....  But hey he gets to keep his pension ;)

I guess this cop forgot the right to assemble and protest is a Constitutional Right and the LEO are required to protect that right as a LAW..

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/San-Jose-Police-Investigating-Officer-After-Threatening-Tweets-to-Protesters-285774231.html

I'm sorry Feria, are these cases NOT PRESENT TIME enough for you :speaktothehand:

Again just ( A ) bad apple :drool:

How dare we make that PLURAL......

 
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Just more from your friendly neighborhood police, St.Louis don't have a racial problem

http://www.msnbc.com/all/cop-who-shoved-don-lemon-and-threatened-kill-everybody-get-full-pension

http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2014/08/26/dan_page_reveals_disturbing_views_on_race_military_assault_and_government.html

A racist, bigot, misogynist, and a nutcase.... But hey he gets to keep his pension ;)

I guess this cop forgot the right to assemble and protest is a Constitutional Right and the LEO are required to protect that right as a LAW..

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/San-Jose-Police-Investigating-Officer-After-Threatening-Tweets-to-Protesters-285774231.html

I'm sorry Feria, are these cases NOT PRESENT TIME enough for you :speaktothehand:

Again just ( A ) bad apple :drool:

How dare we make that PLURAL......
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Good for you! You can find fellow lowlifes and paint an entire group with broad strokes together! I bet you two would get along great!

Again, what were you arrested for? Where is all your hate and vitriol coming from? Or are we just ignoring questions and facts again?

Bad cops exist. Bad people exist. That doesn't make all cops bad, or all people bad.

 
I'm sorry but someone keeps mentioning that these are random isolated cases and its only just a few bad apples...  Apparently one problem with that statement is that pretty much its more then just a "few" and hardly "isolated"

In regards to the following: Bad cops exist.  Bad people exist.  That doesn't make all cops bad, or all people bad.

Cops and people are different things:

For one people are not a INSTITUTION, police ARE,  People are not a ORGANIZATION,  police ARE,  People are INDIVIDUALS,  police are a GROUP with its own rules,regulations, privileges within that order.

A individual do not represent a GROUP of PEOPLE,  A officer who has a BADGE represent everyone who has a BADGE...  Sorry but comprehension is really that hard for you.

People love to hold families accountable for their children ( and we have jailed and held parents responsible for their offsprings ), well police are a "family" aka FRATERNAL ORDER of POLICE ( every heard of that term buddy )

Again please tell me how you define "few" ;)

 
Again comparing people to police...

Do people get to carry guns and have absolute gov't power to use force on another person?

Do people have the power to use force whenever he/she "just says" its justified  ;)

Do people have the usual power to make a accusation and drag someone through court without evidence?

Again comparing police to people is stupid, you are even stupider to think that people and police are anywhere in the same spectrum of equality.

 
I'm sorry, but no.  I refuse to continue this debate with you until you take accountability and actually acknowledge facts, along with the questions asked of you.

What were you arrested for?

You keep skirting that question.  So, what was it?  Get caught with some drugs?  What is it?

You accuse others of racism, but then make blatantly racist statements.  You accuse others of crimes, but are painting yourself to be the criminal.  You're a hypocrite.  If you can't answer the questions, you're going nowhere in your argument.  You refuse to take responsibility for your own statements (or actions, apparently).

Sounds like someone is trying to accuse all LE of corruption, when you, yourself, are corrupt and lacking integrity.  Broad strokes.

Good job, kid.

 
Me being a individual affects NO ONE, police being a ORGANIZATION affects EVERYONE.... :whistle2:

Otherwise we are already living in a quasi-anarchy, where neither side holds any moral ground, both sides are just evil and criminals, except one is being sanctioned by a gov't.

If that's the case me standing as a individual might be on the best side...

 
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Me being a individual affects NO ONE, police being a ORGANIZATION affects EVERYONE.... :whistle2:

Otherwise we are already living in a quasi-anarchy, where neither side holds any moral ground, both sides are just evil and criminals, except one is being sanctioned by a gov't.

If that's the case me standing as a individual might be on the best side...
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And it comes out by the lack of answer!

Finger_Shocker, everybody! Not only a racist and a hypocrite, but a criminal too!

I wish I was surprised. But then again, this guy thinks individuals have no impact. Man, I guess we should tell the youth that they are only as good as their group. Then again, what should I expect from a racist? He paints races in groups, and can't judge by the individual character of a person.

So, what were you arrested for, tough guy? Too embarrassed to share?

 
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Again comparing people to police...

1 Do people get to carry guns and have absolute gov't power to use force on another person?

2 Do people have the power to use force whenever he/she "just says" its justified ;)

3 Do people have the usual power to make a accusation and drag someone through court without evidence?

Again comparing police to people is stupid, you are even stupider to think that people and police are anywhere in the same spectrum of equality.[/quote]
Oh, and to answer your questions:

1 - Yes, actually. Self-defense laws apply to people too. The entire 2nd amendment part of the Bill of Rights says that according to the supreme court.

2 - No, but neither do the police. Which is why use of force is reviewed and charges can be brought up for improper use of force. Should outside agencies be brought in? Yup. Hell, in Ferguson, multiple agencies were.

3 - Yup. Never heard of frivolous lawsuits before? And do you not understand how the criminal justice system works? Police don't just bring you to court. Maybe you should do some reading. http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-procedure/chronology-the-arrest-process.html and http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-law-basics/what-happens-when-you-re-charged-with-a-crime.html

Groups are made up of individuals. The actions of individuals represent a group. The daily actions of the majority of LE are positive. Some negative happens. But the media typically only runs what's abnormal, which is why you don't hear about things like officers providing toys for kids, or food for struggling families. Because that happens daily.

Your logic fails. You fail. Do not pass go. Go back to jail.
 
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If you're tired of seeing this Ferguson stuff on your timeline, just imagine how tired black people must be about getting unjustly murdered!

Reasons white people riot: 1. their sports team wins 2. their sports team loses 3. no more tickle me elmos 4. tea 5. pumpkins

Not all white people are racist; but every white person does benefit from racism. Please, listen to people of colour, and their experiences.
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Rallies against racism... using stereotypes. Fantastic.
 
Ahhh A bright and early New Day, and just another New example of our finest in blue doing their job serving the public trust

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/14/texas-cop-stun-gun-76-year-old_n_6324804.html

http://www.wnd.com/2014/12/trigger-happy-cop-zaps-man-76-with-taser/

So apparently this cop decided to "school" ;) ( for those who don't understand creative use of wordage= as in what cops do best when confronted with a person who stands up to them - VIOLENCE ), the old man in HIS LAW/AUTHORITY when the old man was actually schooling the officer on the LAW

A bad cop everyday ....  is that a trend these days :)

Which reminds me of a lovely quote from the movie The Departed ( No truer words were ever spoken ) :

at 00:32:03 " I'll always have a job. I'll just arrest innocent people. "

I'm sorry Feria, are these not present time enough for you ....  I mean I'm being to see a trend,  I really wonder what these protestors are so damn angry about, for the life of me I can't tell.   Why would people be so angry at the police these days. 

 
I'm sorry, but I'm sure your arrest was still valid. Posting a few bad incidents out of the literally tens of thousands good ones done daily is a drop in the pan.

But hey, again, way to paint broad strokes. For every negative story you post, I can tell you 5 positives. Thing is, the media aren't going to cover them because, get this, it's not sensational.

So, what were you arrested for again? Oh, that's right . . . you refuse to take responsibility for your own actions.

Let's go over the facts again: You're a criminal. You're racist. And you're a hypocrite. But you think the police are the problem.

Holy snikes, Batman. We've got a real case!
 
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Nope. Actually, I just point it out when someone is being purely hypocritical while saying things are racist. And, you know, being blatantly racist. I don't just accuse without evidence like how some people here have against certain officers. Case in point, we all know rebelschs is either a troll or just really racist. But he doesn't pretend he isn't. Calling him out on it is pointless.
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Everytime you call F_S racist, all it does is minimize what people of color have been experiencing for hundreds of years and are still experiencing everyday. Is prejudice bad? Of course it is, but there's a pretty clear difference in the way whites and people of color experience racial oppression with a pretty clear history of who was oppressing who and the methods employed, whether through violence, economics, or through laws.

There's a marked difference in how various races have experience with law enforcement and any half-curious self-aware person could understand that NWA's fuck the Police didn't come out of a vacuum, especially someone in law enforcement such as yourself. You should be fully aware of the types of issues in that particular department.

As for the issues with the police as an institution, again, you have to look at their less than benign relationship with people of color. Sure overtly, they're around to arrest prostitutes, drug dealers, thieves, hassling skateboarders, and other common street crimes and misdemeanors, but there's also an unspoken imperative to maintain the social status quo. Police aren't agents of social change and have never been used or thought of as such. That's why the feds(not that they're that great themselves) always have to step in and do an audit amongst other things when things get too out of hand. Driving While Black isn't an urban legend and neither is Stop and Frisk. These aren't outliers. They're a clear pattern of racial bias against black folks.

F_S is a bit of a troll too and considering that you only engage him as opposed to rebel says something about your hypocrisy too. I've had mostly good experiences with cops(I used be into sports like skateboarding), but that doesn't mean I'm ignorant of what they could do to me if they were in a bad mood or the history of racism within my own city and police department.

But seriously, who gives a fuck if he was arrested before.
 
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I'm sorry, but I'm sure your arrest was still valid. Posting a few bad incidents out of the literally tens of thousands good ones done daily is a drop in the pan.
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Define "few"

There are currently around 300,000 officers in the USofA ( just POLICE, not including FBI or Federal agents )

Its no shocker that police are anti-"liberal" or "progressive". After all how many presidents have the police been caught protesting against/making derogatory comments or saying they want to kill?

Are this your masturbatory material?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFKx6HJLC7U

 
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Feel free to disprove all cops aren't bad by finding and posting one shining example of officers stepping in to stop a crime being commited....... here the zinger ....by a fellow officer

 
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Everytime you call F_S racist, all it does is minimize what people of color have been experiencing for hundreds of years and are still experiencing everyday. Is prejudice bad? Of course it is, but there's a pretty clear difference in the way whites and people of color experience racial oppression with a pretty clear history of who was oppressing who and the methods employed, whether through violence, economics, or through laws.

There's a marked difference in how various races have experience with law enforcement and any half-curious self-aware person could understand that NWA's fuck the Police didn't come out of a vacuum, especially someone in law enforcement such as yourself. You should be fully aware of the types of issues in that particular department.

As for the issues with the police as an institution, again, you have to look at their less than benign relationship with people of color. Sure overtly, they're around to arrest prostitutes, drug dealers, thieves, hassling skateboarders, and other common street crimes and misdemeanors, but there's also an unspoken imperative to maintain the social status quo. Police aren't agents of social change and have never been used or thought of as such. That's why the feds(not that they're that great themselves) always have to step in and do an audit amongst other things when things get too out of hand. Driving While Black isn't an urban legend and neither is Stop and Frisk. These aren't outliers. They're a clear pattern of racial bias against black folks.

F_S is a bit of a troll too and considering that you only engage him as opposed to rebel says something about your hypocrisy too. I've had mostly good experiences with cops(I used be into sports like skateboarding), but that doesn't mean I'm ignorant of what they could do to me if they were in a bad mood or the history of racism within my own city and police department.

But seriously, who gives a fuck if he was arrested before.
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Wow. I think this is the least condescending, sarcastic thing I've ever witnessed you post. If you posted like this more often, I'd have more respect for you and your opinion. So, let me say thanks. The intro part may of sounded dickish (because you haven't quite redeemed yourself from the snarky posts before), but respect.

Personally, I don't see it as minimizing the issue. I see it as pointing out his total hypocrisy in these situations. I don't care if someone calls someone a racist, as long as there's some proof to it. I like logic, and the assumption of innocence until guilt is proven. At least when it comes to logical debates, despite the fact that I'm trained to pull guilt out of people on the daily basis. Personally, I've witnessed him call others racist with no backing whatsoever, including officers that showed no indication of being racist. So, it may seem like minimizing, but to me, I'm calling his ass out for being exactly what he concludes others to be *without* the evidence to back it.

Racism is certainly still a problem. Especially in certain areas. However, when it comes to law enforcement, I don't see it as being "systemic" or nearly as widespread of a problem as many seem to make it out to be. Then again, I'm limited to my perspective by area and those that I know personally. Working in an area where I'm the minority, it's a much different playing field than say, Los Angeles. Here, the majority of officers match the race of the area.

From time to time, I do hear of an individual officer or an agency being found to be profiling by race. It's certainly not nearly as common as it was, say, 30 years ago. It certainly hasn't happened here in some time to my knowledge. Instead, I see rapid accusations without any basis to it. Which is why, in recent times, the feds keep stepping in but then nothing comes of it usually. That's not to say that in recent times there haven't been bad departments that were dealt with, but it's nowhere near the levels implied by people like Finger_Shocker.

Today, if I were to go out and rightfully arrest a criminal (say, a crack dealer selling to kids) with minimal force, a crowd gathers and immediately starts recording and yelling out things like "excessive force!" and "unlawful arrest!". All because of a difference in race. Which is precisely why I address Finger_Shocker and not Rebelschs. Rebelschs doesn't claim to be not racist, or even accuse others of racism. He doesn't even seemingly try to put up a real argument. He just says "Yeehaw! The south will rise again!". Addressing his points is the equivalent to trying to have a coherent conversation with someone high on bath salts. It's pointless to me because I rarely run across someone who says those sort of things seriously.

Then again, the more I deal with Finger_Shocker, the more I realize he's just as bad. He's getting more and more obvious with his postings that he's just a troll since he refuses to answer questions or address points brought up.

The long short (or tldr;) is: Yes, racism exists. I think it's more an issue that is rooted in individual officers, and it hits some agencies because of the brass initiating it, which makes it remote. I just don't see it as something that should be pointed to immediately without proof. By doing that and throwing wild accusations, it polarizes the community and forces a more "us vs them" mindset. Which isn't to say that it wasn't something widespread in the past, but I believe we've pushed through the majority of it.

That's not to say that it can't rear it's ugly head again. I mean, with officers of all kinds being driven away from the job, things aren't exactly looking good.

What does Finger_Shocker's arrest history matter? Well, for me, it's just another proof of where his bias and hypocrisy comes from. Since he likes to instigate with BS, I figure throwing it right back in his face is fair game. ;)

And again, thanks for the calm-ish post. I'd love to engage you more in posts like this, as I do enjoy the constructive criticism and opposing viewpoint. I promise I'll play nice with you, if you do the same with me. ;)

 
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Again here is a great shining example of police and their representatives

http://www.newsnet5.com/sports/browns/browns-andrew-hakwins-wears-tamir-rice-shirt-in-protest

Vs.

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/cleveland-browns-player-andrew-hawkins-defends-shirt-protesting/story?id=27627071

I do wonder how come Hawkins came out sounding like the better person.

So if you happen to disagree or protest against the police, they respond in hostility ( color me shocked )

Its no surprise police are aggressors and violent, when they don't get their way.   Just look at how they address a person who happened to only ask for justice.  

Did the Police Union really needed to come out with such a aggressive and demeaning personal attack?  No, but why should you be surprised, its ingrained into some police mentality that force and violence are ok in their books regardless of the situations.

Case in point:  point out a officer simple mistake:  and he will beat and taze you even if you are a elderly person

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/14/texas-cop-stun-gun-76-year-old_n_6324804.html

 
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Finger_Shocker said:
Feel free to disprove all cops aren't bad by finding and posting one shining example of officers stepping in to stop a crime being commited....... here the zinger ....by a fellow officer
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Who do you think arrests officers? Non-officers?

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Second thought, I'm done addressing you. You're illogical, ignore facts, and outright a hypocrite. You've pretty much admitted to being a criminal, and appear to be shifting responsibility in an attempt to paint yourself as superior. If you actually did proper research, you'd find exactly what you're looking for. I'm not google, and I'm not here to teach you anything.

And . . . we're done.

 
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