Police don't arrest police, bad police just get to "turn themselves in" or unless a different jurisdiction take over.
"stop ruining great things from my childhood like racial hegemony and white people being the best!"
I say this as someone who actually does believe that latent racist attitudes, institutional racism, and the like are serious problems in our society. You're an idiot.
I really can't tell if he's just a troll or some hipster asshole who thinks he "gets it".
I'm willing to give this one a pass considering he even broaches some subjects and there are bigger idiots. He has a blog on CAG too...haha
N00b doesn't have the rep of mykevermin or me on this subject, but his drive-by posting and lack of actual engagement doesn't mean he's wrong.
That's because you haven't been in Vs. very long. When you deal with racist conservative trolls for as long as I have, you tend to give a lot less of a shit, not to mention that I have a lot less time than before. You caught me on a good day maybe?Wow. I think this is the least condescending, sarcastic thing I've ever witnessed you post. If you posted like this more often, I'd have more respect for you and your opinion. So, let me say thanks. The intro part may of sounded dickish (because you haven't quite redeemed yourself from the snarky posts before), but respect.
Personally, I don't see it as minimizing the issue. I see it as pointing out his total hypocrisy in these situations. I don't care if someone calls someone a racist, as long as there's some proof to it. I like logic, and the assumption of innocence until guilt is proven. At least when it comes to logical debates, despite the fact that I'm trained to pull guilt out of people on the daily basis. Personally, I've witnessed him call others racist with no backing whatsoever, including officers that showed no indication of being racist. So, it may seem like minimizing, but to me, I'm calling his ass out for being exactly what he concludes others to be *without* the evidence to back it.
Racism is certainly still a problem. Especially in certain areas. However, when it comes to law enforcement, I don't see it as being "systemic" or nearly as widespread of a problem as many seem to make it out to be. Then again, I'm limited to my perspective by area and those that I know personally. Working in an area where I'm the minority, it's a much different playing field than say, Los Angeles. Here, the majority of officers match the race of the area.
From time to time, I do hear of an individual officer or an agency being found to be profiling by race. It's certainly not nearly as common as it was, say, 30 years ago. It certainly hasn't happened here in some time to my knowledge. Instead, I see rapid accusations without any basis to it. Which is why, in recent times, the feds keep stepping in but then nothing comes of it usually. That's not to say that in recent times there haven't been bad departments that were dealt with, but it's nowhere near the levels implied by people like Finger_Shocker.
Today, if I were to go out and rightfully arrest a criminal (say, a crack dealer selling to kids) with minimal force, a crowd gathers and immediately starts recording and yelling out things like "excessive force!" and "unlawful arrest!". All because of a difference in race. Which is precisely why I address Finger_Shocker and not Rebelschs. Rebelschs doesn't claim to be not racist, or even accuse others of racism. He doesn't even seemingly try to put up a real argument. He just says "Yeehaw! The south will rise again!". Addressing his points is the equivalent to trying to have a coherent conversation with someone high on bath salts. It's pointless to me because I rarely run across someone who says those sort of things seriously.
Then again, the more I deal with Finger_Shocker, the more I realize he's just as bad. He's getting more and more obvious with his postings that he's just a troll since he refuses to answer questions or address points brought up.
The long short (or tldr;) is: Yes, racism exists. I think it's more an issue that is rooted in individual officers, and it hits some agencies because of the brass initiating it, which makes it remote. I just don't see it as something that should be pointed to immediately without proof. By doing that and throwing wild accusations, it polarizes the community and forces a more "us vs them" mindset. Which isn't to say that it wasn't something widespread in the past, but I believe we've pushed through the majority of it.
That's not to say that it can't rear it's ugly head again. I mean, with officers of all kinds being driven away from the job, things aren't exactly looking good.
What does Finger_Shocker's arrest history matter? Well, for me, it's just another proof of where his bias and hypocrisy comes from. Since he likes to instigate with BS, I figure throwing it right back in his face is fair game.
And again, thanks for the calm-ish post. I'd love to engage you more in posts like this, as I do enjoy the constructive criticism and opposing viewpoint. I promise I'll play nice with you, if you do the same with me.
Maybe things are different in your department or maybe they're not, but feds are pretty impotent to begin with outside of Consent Decrees and even then, it can take a decade before any progress is made. A black cop doing what racist white cops do/did in LA has the same effect. You mention that it comes from the brass and it's just a few departments that are dealt with, but the police can't do it alone. It requires the collusion of the DA's, judges, politicians, and ultimately the people that vote. If it was just a few bad departments, local lawyers and judges would be shutting that kind of behavior down, but that just isn't the case. That's how it's a systemic problem and not a problem of a few individuals.Lee Atwater said:
http://www.gphistorical.org/mlk/mlkspeech/MLK said:
Yeah, but who walks into a room (thread) and presents their argument by immediately acting like a pretentious douche? I don't go out of my way to criticize rebel because he makes himself look stupid with his civil war "South will rise" nonsense. Nobody takes him seriously anyway.
and want every last penny for themselves? Do you really believe that if a white person were on government services that rich white conservatives would all of a sudden be sympathetic and not mind pitching in to help them "get back on their feet". I don't buy it.ing stupid and accomplished nothing other than annoying motorists.Well, they set out to cause a non-violent disturbance as an act of civil disobedience to draw attention to the issue. I'm guessing most people knew about why they did it? So it looks like they accomplished their goal since you're in this thread posting about it whether you support their cause or not.Down in South Florida we have a boat parade every winter. Boats decorated in Christmas lights, it's something for old rich white people. Anyways It's become a big event in recent years. Well some protesters came out to block the event by laying on a drawbridge to stop the parade. But typical South Florida people don't know when to show up on time. The boats had already passed the drawbridge. So instead they blocked a busy intersection for an hour. Police came out arrested a couple protesters, end of story.
The whole thing was
If you're going to make a protest at least give 2 shits about the case to show up on time. These idiots halfassed it and where only out there to be self-righteous and show off their scary V for Vendetta masks.
Don't get me wrong I'm totally for protesting in peace. For personal reasons I really hate that boat parade so I would've been trilled if they stopped the drawbridges. I was sitting at work cheering for it. That's why I came across as a little miffed because they weren't organized and didn't accomplish their goal. It just became a somewhat mediocre protest when it could've been something on a national level. But like I said that's Miami, we half-ass everything.
So nobody takes rebel seriously, yet how many people reacted to the new guy/gal after a couple drive-by posts? I'm pretty sure that you don't like what s)he has to say and you don't take him/her seriously either. If you looked into his 23 posts, (s)he's been drive-by posting on several threads with the same type of stuff. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if (s)he gets banned soon.
So if it effects are racist by outcome, regardless of intent, what would you call it then? "Nature?" Wouldn't that imply that racist outcomes is the default state of that law and therefore racist?As for what you just posted, Dohdough...I think some of it is seeing what you want to see. Do conservatives really want to cut taxes, food stamps, wellfare, etc. BECAUSE it'll hurt black people. Or are they just greedy as
Yes, it may affect more black people than white people just by nature of economic circumstances...but that's a byproduct. It's not THE REASON they do it. Now, why do poor ass, uneducated white people vote Republican when it often directly goes against their personal interests? One of life's mysteries.
Pretty sure Lee Atwater's quote covers this as well as a lot of work he did to cement the relationship between the christian dominionists and republicans. There were always religious firebrands in the political arena, but the game has changed in the last 30 years because of the types of media we have now. There's a reason why the welfare queen morphed from some random white person fraudulently collecting multiple checks while driving a new caddie living in some nice town on the dole to some poor black woman that has multiple kids living in the projects...and this was when whites were still the largest beneficiaries of welfare. We all know what a modern welfare queen is "supposed" to look like and what race they are so feeding into that imagery and racist sentiment isn't a large leap. "The welfare I get is ok, but those lazy
ers need to get off their (black)asses."There are always going to be some "good ones." Like RvB said, racism isn't a binary where you're racist or not racist, but there are levels of racism. That said, there's a reason why black conservatives are rare just like how there are very few Latino conservatives.
Ahh...gotcha.
Who's the Boss?
He was posting crap like this in Off Topic
Like I said...pretentious douche.
As long as you keep your douche baggery to the useless cesspool of opinions known as Vs., mods don't really give a
anymore. Or to put it more accurately, the one mod that gave a or two and had a lap boy, is no longer a mod.Sorry man, it was like 5-6 years ago during one of her work retreats and she doesn't remember.
Justice was served, but a way to charge a white cop with being racist was not, so they decided to expand Black Friday to Kill White People Monday, and instead of 50% off sales, they made it 100% off as long as you set the store on fire.
Seriously, when you can get a large pizza for $5 in under 2 minutes...who in the hell would ever want to destroy that? It's basically the greatest thing ever.
Tacky as all hell? Yeah.
Was he a protestor? No not by a long shot, so you going to blame all the protestors when this guy wasn't even involved in any of the protesting.
Was his action, horrific as it was in protest of a cause? Yes it was, he quite publicly broadcasted his intent online that this is in response to Garner and Ferguson. Is it wrong to paint everyone with the same broad brush? Yes it is, just as it is wrong to vilify all police for the actions of a few, and even when the original event that triggered this whole mess was completely justified.
That sounds like a totally reasonable suggestion and something that could actually happen. How come you're not in charge?
Nah, since he was black, he was obviously just a "thug", which was his one and only excuse for his actions and absolutely nothing else is to blame.
Im wondering who started this first, pretty sure people didn't wake up and wanted to protest against something.
Wow, so you're blaming the victims now, is that what I'm reading? And then you're insinuating that these protesters, who have attacked and KILLED INNOCENT POLICE OFFICERS, are just standing up to corruption now?
Since when is reporting all deaths that are caused police a bad thing or related to experts of any kind? If you're so confident that you're right about there not being a trend that skews towards people of color, then you should have no problem with this legislation because you'll be proved right and shut people up like F_S and me.
