2009 MLB Discussion Thread

[quote name='integralsmatic']no matter is church wasnt backing him up......Castillo should have had that.[/QUOTE]

Absolutely. No doubt. He has to catch that. Nonetheless, Church has no business running away from the play. I was switching back and forth between the Yankee and Met postgames, and I didn't see anyone even mention. Kind of surprised. That's just fundamentals. Probably would not have changed anything, but he still might have had an outside chance of picking it up and getting Tex at the plate. I mean, as it was, the ball got the plate a second or so after Tex slid in, and that was with Castillo a) falling down away from the ball and b) throwing from his knees to Cora.
 
[quote name='integralsmatic']The mets never fail to surprise me.

no matter is church wasnt backing him up......Castillo should have had that. Its a routine in field pop up. Not many infielders mess those up...unless its a situation like the yanks earlier with jeter making that great play. I was really about to vomit after I saw that. After all that battling and finally getting clutch hits....dwright getting one in the 8th off Mo...i had the booked closed up with K-Rod in the 9th. It was perfect. A-Rod career lifetime 1-17 against K-Rod..and 2 out and than this happens. only the Mets can fuck up perfect situations. and now we Fernando Nieve up tomorrow against Andy Petitte.....might as well chalk up another loss because i dont expect Nieve to last beyond the 4th inning after the hit parade that was dealt to Livan tonight.[/QUOTE]

I really dont know how else the Mets can lose this year. First Church missing 3rd base, then losing to the Phillies 2 nights in a row like they just did and now this. Really what else can go wrong? They can only go up from here =)
 
[quote name='Monsta Mack']Just a friendly reminder to the Yankees fans from a Sox fan: You still haven't beaten us this year yet. [/dick][/QUOTE]

A sure sign of the apocalypse. Get your seats now! :)
 
Hopefully, for the Mets fans in here, the Mets can hold onto their lead tonight.

And another thought, I think Castillo should get the loss, instead of Krod. At least Krod did his job and got to 2 outs. He didn't drop the out. Or Church should get it for premature ejac.... celebration.
 
I do agree with the consensus that pitching has been terrible all across MLB this year. And then you have the one truly dominant pitcher in the league (Roy Haladay) hurt his nutsack last night. Not the first time hitters have been salivating as a result of Roy Haladay's nuts.
 
I wanna puke....the Giants are tied for the NL Wild Card lead...

Hopefully Sabean doesn't read the standings.....
 
Is it just me or is everyone in the NY/NJ area that comes into this thread a Mets fan? :( I need other Yankee fans so we can wallow in our sorrow!
 
[quote name='Chronis']Is it just me or is everyone in the NY/NJ area that comes into this thread a Mets fan? :( I need other Yankee fans so we can wallow in our sorrow![/QUOTE]

look no farther than bigdaddybruce and n8erocksu.

Bigdaddybruce,

yeah i can see why you said they are bad against pitchers they never seen before. they all looked lost at the plate today. The match up on paper i just didnt like. an unproven nieve vs a vet like Petitte but who knew it was the mets bats that also came alive again and nieve pitching well......I really hope Nieve becomes something...but i wont be sold until a couple more starts. at the most it a better version of a niese outing.

well i hoped for an eventful subway series and I am getting it no doubt about that.
santana vs Burnett tomorrow should be a doozy or a home run fest. either way its going to be a good game.
 
[quote name='Ski Hawk']Cubs pitching has been fantastic, but our offense sucks. Yet at .500, we're only 2.5 back in the awful NL Central.[/QUOTE]

Yep, we lead the majors in starting ERA but we can't hit our way out of a paper bag and our defense is iffy. It's amazing that at .500 we're only 2.5 games out. If we can hang in there until A-Ram gets back and start hitting just a little bit we might have a shot.
 
well that was brutal. I did say hit parade but i thought the mets bats would stay hot. Burnett owned us and the Yanks owned Santana. I really do hope he is not injured. His velocity was down and his location was off which caused the hit parade. Im sure enough its just a bad patch for him and he will pull out of it..but if he is shelved...than i am just going to chuck this season as lost and look forward to next season because beyond santana, there is no one on the mets rotation that is solid enough to carry them and now with Sheff now having a MRI on his poor knee...its just another hit to an already weak powered mets lineup. And with the injured guys coming back whenever they comeback..they wont be the same. it will take them another month just to adjust to the game again.
 
[quote name='integralsmatic']well that was brutal. I did say hit parade but i thought the mets bats would stay hot. Burnett owned us and the Yanks owned Santana. I really do hope he is not injured. His velocity was down and his location was off which caused the hit parade. Im sure enough its just a bad patch for him and he will pull out of it..but if he is shelved...than i am just going to chuck this season as lost and look forward to next season because beyond santana, there is no one on the mets rotation that is solid enough to carry them and now with Sheff now having a MRI on his poor knee...its just another hit to an already weak powered mets lineup. And with the injured guys coming back whenever they comeback..they wont be the same. it will take them another month just to adjust to the game again.[/QUOTE]

Supposedly Sheff is not getting a MRI. There are contradicting reports out there right now. The last week has just been brutal on the Mets and us fans. If Santana has to miss time then you are right this season is done.
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']Wanna know something scary kids?

Matt Cain might win the Cy Young.....[/QUOTE]
Haren would be right there with Cain if our bullpen could hold a damn lead.
 
Or the Dback's could, you know, score.

The Cy Young is a joke. They should just call it what it is: The pitcher with the most wins award. Haren and Tiny Timy deserve it more based on pure stats but b/c of their w/l they won't be up there. Even Billingsly and Johan(this weekend withstanding). Don't count out Jonathan Broxton either. He's 6-0, 16 saves, 53 k's in 32 ip. 1.41 era and a .69 whip. He could be the first guy to get significant votes since Gagne.
 
Research before you type, slick. The bullpen has blown leads when we were leading by 5 + runs, several times now.

That is the bullpen throwing games away. Not due to lack of scoring.

But it has been a disappointing season, I really don't see us making the playoffs since the Dodgers and Giants are playing really good baseball. Although it would be awesome to see Dodgers/Giants in the NLCS.
 
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Haren's a stud.....

But i've never seen Cain pitch like this.....going the distance twice this season....

Oh and no biggie but yours truly was begging for Torri Hunter last season and got Rowand....I should be a GM.
 
[quote name='yukine']Research before you type, slick. The bullpen has blown leads when we were leading by 5 + runs, several times now.

That is the bullpen throwing games away. Not due to lack of scoring.

But it has been a disappointing season, I really don't see us making the playoffs since the Dodgers and Giants are playing really good baseball. Although it would be awesome to see Dodgers/Giants in the NLCS.[/QUOTE]


Um ok that was unnecessarily coming after me, but what I typed was true. You should know, you follow the team, or apparently you do.

Game 1: 7 ip, 1 er, L; scored 0 runs
Game 2: 6 ip, 2 er, L; scored 1 run
Game 3: 6 ip, 1 er, L; scored 0 runs
Game 4; 7 ip, 0 er, W; scored 2 runs
Game 5; 9 ip, 5 er, W; scored 7 runs
Game 6; 8 ip, 1 er, W; scored 4 runs
Game 7; 6 ip, 3 er, ND; scored 3 runs
Game 8; 7 ip, 3 er, L; scored 1 run
Game 9; 7 ip, 5 er, ND; scored 1 run
Game 10; 8 ip, 2 er, W; scored 5 runs
Game 11; 7 ip, 1 er, ND; scored 5 runs
Game 12; 7 ip, 1er, ND; scored 6 runs
Game 13; 9 ip, 1 er, W; scored 8 runs


6 of his games they have scored 2 or less runs for him.
2 of his games 3-4 runs
5 of his games 5 runs or more

And I think 3 of those games were bullpen blown. Man I sure don't know what I'm talking about. I should probably stop following baseball.
Almost 50% of his games he's getting 2 runs or less. You could of fooled me.
 
[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']How about Pablo Sandoval?!? He had already shown in a short period that he could hit for average...but now the power is coming on in a big rush.[/QUOTE]

The kid's the real deal.....sucks ESPN/Baseball Tonight can't take more than 5 seconds to look out West....but oh well....

His D is really underrated.....honestly if he didn't hurt his elbow he coulda been in talks for a Gold Glove at 3rd.....
 
Wakefield is going to get his first all star appearance it looks like. Nice at 42 years young.

Ortiz actually hitting homers as of late and boosted his average to .210! (lol)
 
Just got back from an amazing weekend in Arlington. Good to see the Dodgers take two of three, of course fat ass Andruw Jones hits two HR's against us. Who would have thought, doubt he hit two homeruns in the same weekend all of last year. Got to tour the Ballpark in Arlington, AMAZING PLACE.
 
[quote name='slickkill77']Um ok that was unnecessarily coming after me, but what I typed was true. You should know, you follow the team, or apparently you do.

Game 1: 7 ip, 1 er, L; scored 0 runs
Game 2: 6 ip, 2 er, L; scored 1 run
Game 3: 6 ip, 1 er, L; scored 0 runs
Game 4; 7 ip, 0 er, W; scored 2 runs
Game 5; 9 ip, 5 er, W; scored 7 runs
Game 6; 8 ip, 1 er, W; scored 4 runs
Game 7; 6 ip, 3 er, ND; scored 3 runs
Game 8; 7 ip, 3 er, L; scored 1 run
Game 9; 7 ip, 5 er, ND; scored 1 run
Game 10; 8 ip, 2 er, W; scored 5 runs
Game 11; 7 ip, 1 er, ND; scored 5 runs
Game 12; 7 ip, 1er, ND; scored 6 runs
Game 13; 9 ip, 1 er, W; scored 8 runs


6 of his games they have scored 2 or less runs for him.
2 of his games 3-4 runs
5 of his games 5 runs or more

And I think 3 of those games were bullpen blown. Man I sure don't know what I'm talking about. I should probably stop following baseball.
Almost 50% of his games he's getting 2 runs or less. You could of fooled me.[/QUOTE]
Haha, I really got under your skin. All because of a misunderstanding on my part, I thought you were saying something like they haven't scored runs in regards to the blown games.

Yes, you are absolutely right in that offense has lacked when he has taken the mound. I've expressed my annoyance regarding this a few times in this thread:

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5765595&postcount=279
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5782803&postcount=317

And yes, I follow this team. I've watched every D-back game for several seasons now, even the abysmal '04 season. How long have you been following the Rays? I've always considered them the AL brother to the Diamondbacks and rooted for them in the post season.

Edit: Also, how about the Diamondbacks getting 12 runs in two games against the Royals? Also, giving Greinke a loss at home.
 
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How can a game be called in the top of the 6th after an official at bat has taken place? Or does the hit get discreditted? Talking about RedSox/Marlins.
 
What's with these guys going on the DL with anxiety disorders? Has this happened in previous seasons, or is it the newest scam to call up another player when someone's hitting a rough patch?
 
[quote name='st0neface']What's with these guys going on the DL with anxiety disorders? Has this happened in previous seasons, or is it the newest scam to call up another player when someone's hitting a rough patch?[/QUOTE]

Not sure, but thats what the Sox need to do with Daisuke if he continues to struggle.
 
[quote name='craven_fiend']How can a game be called in the top of the 6th after an official at bat has taken place? Or does the hit get discreditted? Talking about RedSox/Marlins.[/QUOTE]

A game can be called at any point and be official once 5 innings have been played (or 4 1/2 and the home team is ahead). If the game is tied, then it's a suspended game. Otherwise, the winning team win.
 
[quote name='lordwow']A game can be called at any point and be official once 5 innings have been played (or 4 1/2 and the home team is ahead). If the game is tied, then it's a suspended game. Otherwise, the winning team win.[/QUOTE]

I was just confused, since I assumed once an inning became official that they'd atleast have to play out the inning. If only they gotten to the bottom half when the rain came.
 
Dropping like flies.

I hear there are whispers that the BoSox might be interested in Reyes. They want Hanley, but that isn't happening. I think it would be a real good idea for the Mets, if Reyes can get healthy, to move him, if the Sox are willing to make the right deal.
 
I really started to believe that the Indians would make a run at the Central. Well being swept in two straight interleague series changed my mind. This season is a loss.
 
Teh Franchise/Cy Timmy/Teh Freak/Teh Best Pitcher in Baseball

Complete Game.....12 K's.....1 ER

This kid......

And the Giants are in 1st place in the Wild Card league? SAY WHAT?
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']Teh Franchise/Cy Timmy/Teh Freak/Teh Best Pitcher in Baseball

Complete Game.....12 K's.....1 ER

This kid......

And the Giants are in 1st place in the Wild Card league? SAY WHAT?[/QUOTE]

Wake us up when its October and they're in the playoffs ;)

Best pitcher in baseball, thats hard to say so early in his career. Top 5, probably. He's on an impressive streak with like 1 run over 20+ innnings.
 
[quote name='craven_fiend']Wake us up when its October and they're in the playoffs ;)

Best pitcher in baseball, thats hard to say so early in his career. Top 5, probably. He's on an impressive streak with like 1 run over 20+ innnings.[/QUOTE]

I still hope they trade off the farm......Brian Sabean is a fuckin' idiot....he'll trade our top minor leaguer for some crap vet.....
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']I still hope they trade off the farm......Brian Sabean is a fuckin' idiot....he'll trade our top minor leaguer for some crap vet.....[/QUOTE]

He can have Lugo if he wants. ;)

But seriously, its his last year, he'll probably try to force something through.
 
[quote name='craven_fiend']He can have Lugo if he wants. ;)

But seriously, its his last year, he'll probably try to force something through.[/QUOTE]

ill give him Oliver Perez who isn't even good in Triple A either.

I dont know if i should be excited or weary of the subway series at Citi. we've been struggling but hey, we beat pujols and cards and actually took the series from them and Santana is BACK! location and velocity were all there. thank god it was only a rough patch for him. but i dont know how much the mets can hit when they will have to face CC this time around. Nonetheless, the mets are still in it in a mediocre NL East and they should have won the series at Yankee stadium if it wasnt for Castillo's error. So hopefully the pitcher's park negates the power of the yankees...but thats not asking much lol. anyway Ill be watching these games all weekend. Should be really fun to watch.
 
[quote name='integralsmatic']Man Mets owned again. Well nothing new here and plus we missed out on DeRosa. Omar sleeping at the helm again. Whats new in Met Land.[/QUOTE]

Yeah but for Derosa they would had to give up Parnell and another prospect. To me not worth it. This team is not going to contend this year and don't have a lot of young talent as it is. Why give it away?
 
I think the Mets did the right thing not trading for DeRosa. What they need is a slugger. DeRosa has a little pop, but he's not a big bat. He's a nice role player, but not enough to generate serious offense in that lineup.
 
[quote name='DomLando']Yeah but for Derosa they would had to give up Parnell and another prospect. To me not worth it. This team is not going to contend this year and don't have a lot of young talent as it is. Why give it away?[/QUOTE]

yeah thats true. We are in no shape to give up on our young talent. We are just going to have to sit through it and take out lumps. but here is the funny thing. we are only 1.5 games out of first because the rest of the NL East decided to suck like we do. hopefully the gap doesnt widened or we can shorten it so we get some bodies back.

[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']I think the Mets did the right thing not trading for DeRosa. What they need is a slugger. DeRosa has a little pop, but he's not a big bat. He's a nice role player, but not enough to generate serious offense in that lineup.[/QUOTE]


yeah but I wouldnt mind having his bat in this lineup. he gives wayyyyy more pop than luis castillo in 2nd base. But the cards did give up a lot if you think about it. Chris Perez is going to be a stud. It will be very interesting to see what the Indians do near the deadline. they are tons of games back behind first and DeRosa just got shipped for a future stud. Will they hold on to their talent or just start to rebuild. I think Shapiro might be open to trade guys like Victor Martinez or Cliff Lee for the right price.
 
[quote name='integralsmatic']I think Shapiro might be open to trade guys like Victor Martinez or Cliff Lee for the right price.[/QUOTE]
Allegedly the Dodgers have contacted the Indians about Lee. The rumor is that the Indians want either Billingsley or Kershaw plus a throw in prospect. The Dodgers countered with McDonald, DeWitt, and two other prospects. Ken Rosenthal says the Rangers are in on it too. The Indians want either Derek Holland, Neftali Feliz, or Martin Perez from the Rangers plus a throw in prospect. Pretty much the same kind of package they want from the Dodgers, a blue chip young arm plus a throw in.

I'd be surprised if Lee was still an Indian at the end of July. He's been too good for too long to regress and the pitching market looks pretty slim, making him quite the tasty trade bait. He'd be a stellar addition to any staff, a #1 on probably 27 clubs.

mlbdailydish.com says that Jenks is probably going to be available too.

[quote name='st0neface']What's with these guys going on the DL with anxiety disorders? Has this happened in previous seasons, or is it the newest scam to call up another player when someone's hitting a rough patch?[/QUOTE]
Seems like a great way to sneak someone down, doesn't it?
 
[quote name='integralsmatic']yeah thats true. We are in no shape to give up on our young talent. We are just going to have to sit through it and take out lumps. but here is the funny thing. we are only 1.5 games out of first because the rest of the NL East decided to suck like we do. hopefully the gap doesnt widened or we can shorten it so we get some bodies back.[/QUOTE]

Yeah the only reason we are close is because the Phillies have been struggling big time. But when the Phillies start putting some wins together it is all over. This is not the Mets year.
 
[quote name='DomLando']Yeah the only reason we are close is because the Phillies have been struggling big time. But when the Phillies start putting some wins together it is all over. This is not the Mets year.[/QUOTE]

Yeah thats a big IF, the phillies are sucking way more wind than we are. They have a full and healthy roster minus Inbanez. If they cant win with a healthy Rollins,Howard, and Utley. Their CORE players..than they are in deep trouble because we are still 2.5 back with the Buffalo Bisons and in the crappiest division in baseball. im staying positive for that fact that even with a terrible team they arent far away from first. imagine if we had a full healthy staff....we could be running the division at this point. But alas i do agree in the end. We dont have enough offense to pick up great pitching performances. Livan gave us one tonight and the mets offense was quite as a mouse. im sure enough this would have been a different series all together if we had our guys but we dont. I feel like in the Mets case.....injury is a legit a excuse for our losing.....but personally, if i had to push blame. It all falls on Manuel. That guy continues to make poor roster moves, over using the pen,not giving players a chance to get comfy. I think he leads the majors in Roster changes this year. I cant remember a day when the roster stayed the same for more than 3 games.i just see no consistency with that. anyway enough of my lowly ranting. im going to forget this series like it ever happend and time to move on in the division itself.
 
I personally can't see the Indians really trading Lee. Unless I'm mistaken this isn't the last year of his contract. Also, this team is more or less the same one that was one game away from the World Series two years ago. The major difference there was the Bullpen, and those are just so volatile year to year.
 
[quote name='integralsmatic']Yeah thats a big IF, the phillies are sucking way more wind than we are. They have a full and healthy roster minus Inbanez. If they cant win with a healthy Rollins,Howard, and Utley. Their CORE players..than they are in deep trouble because we are still 2.5 back with the Buffalo Bisons and in the crappiest division in baseball. im staying positive for that fact that even with a terrible team they arent far away from first. imagine if we had a full healthy staff....we could be running the division at this point. But alas i do agree in the end. We dont have enough offense to pick up great pitching performances. Livan gave us one tonight and the mets offense was quite as a mouse. im sure enough this would have been a different series all together if we had our guys but we dont. I feel like in the Mets case.....injury is a legit a excuse for our losing.....but personally, if i had to push blame. It all falls on Manuel. That guy continues to make poor roster moves, over using the pen,not giving players a chance to get comfy. I think he leads the majors in Roster changes this year. I cant remember a day when the roster stayed the same for more than 3 games.i just see no consistency with that. anyway enough of my lowly ranting. im going to forget this series like it ever happend and time to move on in the division itself.[/QUOTE]

You can blame the injuries but to be honest at this point last year the team was doing around the same. I do agree though that Manuel has struggled with making decisions. So far it seems every decision he makes is the wrong one. If they do stay close to Philly they will have a chance to win the division but even after that I just do not see this team going anywhere. After this season I can see some big changes for the Mets. I just hope they do not get rid of any of the core 4 of Beltran, Wright, Santana and Reyes. Build around these guys!
 
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