2009 MLB Discussion Thread

Very quietly, Brandon Inge is putting together a great year. The Tigers stopped jerking him all around the field, and he's already got 18 homeruns and 51 RBIs. He's on track to blow his previous career highs out of the water.
 
This trade deadline is shaping up to be interesting. mlbdailydish sayd the Giants are interested in Jermaine Dye and Victor Martinez. The Mets have a heck of a situation with Beltran. Matt Holliday, Wang, Penny and the entire Nats and Orioles squads are supposedly up for sale. Oswalt's stock just screamed up after that nasty 2 hitter last night. Hinske is a Yankee as of today. Nyjer Morgan would be a sweet pickup for most teams as well.
 
[quote name='speedracer']This trade deadline is shaping up to be interesting. mlbdailydish sayd the Giants are interested in Jermaine Dye and Victor Martinez. The Mets have a heck of a situation with Beltran. Matt Holliday, Wang, Penny and the entire Nats and Orioles squads are supposedly up for sale. Oswalt's stock just screamed up after that nasty 2 hitter last night. Hinske is a Yankee as of today. Nyjer Morgan would be a sweet pickup for most teams as well.[/QUOTE]

Morgan and Sean Burnett were dealt to the Nats for Milledge and Joel hanrahan.

Dam, and we could have dealt Pelfry and Milledge for haren. using hindsight now, i would have done that deal instantly.
 
[quote name='integralsmatic']Morgan and Sean Burnett were dealt to the Nats for Milledge and Joel hanrahan.

Dam, and we could have dealt Pelfry and Milledge for haren. using hindsight now, i would have done that deal instantly.[/QUOTE]
You beat me to it. I was coming back to report the Morgan/Milledge + friends deal was done.

I'm not a guy that likes to cry over spilled trade milk, but that Pelfry/Milledge for Haren deal made me cringe. Owie.

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They send Nyjer Morgan and Sean Burnett to D.C. for Lastings Milledge and Joel Hanrahan.

I'm not sure I understand this from the Nationals perspective. Yes, they need defense, but Morgan is basically Ryan Langerhans - a guy they just valued equal to that of Mike Morse - and they have about a dozen outfielders hanging around already. Burnett is nothing special. His 3.06 ERA is shiny out of a relief role, but his FIP is 4.5, his BABIP against is .218, and his strand rate is nearing 80%. Guess which way that ERA is going to go with the worst defense in the league behind him.

Milledge isn't much of a centerfielder, but he's nearly five years younger than Morgan and already an equal hitter. He comes with baggage and tools, whether he puts it all together or not is yet to be seen. As for Hanrahan, his ERA is an awful 7.71. Of course his BABIP is .451 and his strand rate is 62%. Yes, he's given up some liners this season, but his FIP is a solid 3.56, and his tRA 4.30. Hanrahan was going to become a smart buy-low for some team this July, as it turns out, the Pirates beat everyone to the punch.

Morgan is the better player now, but Hanrahan is miles better than Burnett, and Milledge's upside makes him for more appealing to a team not planning on competing this season. The Nationals had enough outfielders already to deal Milledge without getting one in return; throwing in Hanrahan to get an inferior pitcher in return is the glue on the cake.

Neal Huntington sold high and bought low here. It's hard to see a downside for the Pirates.
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Haren gets it done tonight with not only his arm but also the bat.

Line by Haren today:
Pitcher IP PC H ER BB K
Haren 7.0 111 4 1 1 9

2-3, with a double and his first career home run!
 
[quote name='speedracer']You beat me to it. I was coming back to report the Morgan/Milledge + friends deal was done.

I'm not a guy that likes to cry over spilled trade milk, but that Pelfry/Milledge for Haren deal made me cringe. Owie.

More from the Beyond The Box Score:[/QUOTE]

seriously. I didnt like it at first because of the upside the two had..but now what im seeing from both of them and what Haren is producing day in and day out. Haren would have been a WAY better fit at the 2 spot than Pelfrey. I dont know why the natties threw in Hanhrahan. That kid has some serious stuff. He just needed some time to adjust his location. Burnett sucks....and I have to agree on Morgan. Morgan is good as of NOW.....but who knows the years after and how much playing time will he get with a crowded OF. The pirates totally won in this deal.

[quote name='yukine']Haren gets it done tonight with not only his arm but also the bat.

Line by Haren today:
Pitcher IP PC H ER BB K
Haren 7.0 111 4 1 1 9

2-3, with a double and his first career home run![/QUOTE]
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This is what the Mets could have had...but leave it to Minaya to say no.

I think im done with this team for this year. Tonight's loss really showed me something that the Buffalo Bisons cant even win with their ace on the mound. And if Santana is making silly throwing errors, than this team is for sure in trouble. the Mess dropped to third behind the marlins now. Sorry Domlando for continuing to doubt that this team was done for 09. im now a firm believer that the Mets will continue to suck until they make two changes. 1 at manager and 1 at GM. Structure is everything to a team. the GM destroyed the future of this organization by depleting the farm and creating the worst minor league team this year, also the slew of bad moves isnt helping his cause(Perez contract, Putz deal,etc). the manager continues not to care and would rather kick back some laughs with the media than wondering how he needs to fix this messy situation where a team that was supposed to be competing, has now dropped to third behind the marlins. I wont be surprised if we dropped to 4th behind Atlanta. Until these two fucks go, my faith in this team weakens every year until these two are long and gone. :bomb: This team can still compete....its just the dumbasses making bad decisions where this team is unable to compete. Lets go Mess 2010!
 
[quote name='integralsmatic']seriously. I didnt like it at first because of the upside the two had..but now what im seeing from both of them and what Haren is producing day in and day out. Haren would have been a WAY better fit at the 2 spot than Pelfrey. I dont know why the natties threw in Hanhrahan. That kid has some serious stuff. He just needed some time to adjust his location. Burnett sucks....and I have to agree on Morgan. Morgan is good as of NOW.....but who knows the years after and how much playing time will he get with a crowded OF. The pirates totally won in this deal.


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This is what the Mets could have had...but leave it to Minaya to say no.

I think im done with this team for this year. Tonight's loss really showed me something that the Buffalo Bisons cant even win with their ace on the mound. And if Santana is making silly throwing errors, than this team is for sure in trouble. the Mess dropped to third behind the marlins now. Sorry Domlando for continuing to doubt that this team was done for 09. im now a firm believer that the Mets will continue to suck until they make two changes. 1 at manager and 1 at GM. Structure is everything to a team. the GM destroyed the future of this organization by depleting the farm and creating the worst minor league team this year, also the slew of bad moves isnt helping his cause(Perez contract, Putz deal,etc). the manager continues not to care and would rather kick back some laughs with the media than wondering how he needs to fix this messy situation where a team that was supposed to be competing, has now dropped to third behind the marlins. I wont be surprised if we dropped to 4th behind Atlanta. Until these two fucks go, my faith in this team weakens every year until these two are long and gone. :bomb: This team can still compete....its just the dumbasses making bad decisions where this team is unable to compete. Lets go Mess 2010![/QUOTE]


Kind of a joke, kind of serious.

Does Minaya make the trade if Dan Haren is Latino?
 
Seriously.....can the league just give the Giants a win when Teh Franchise is scheduled to pitch?

Leading the Wild-Card.....2nd best record in the NL....

Suck it.
 
[quote name='paddlefoot']Kind of a joke, kind of serious.

Does Minaya make the trade if Dan Haren is Latino?[/QUOTE]

I lol'ed at this.

Mets suck but Pelfrey pitched a nice game today besides balking for what, the fifth time this year?
 
How about that Yankee bullpen? All of a sudden, the pieces fall into place, and it's nearly untouchable. Not a bad accomplishment for a team that a bullpen ERA of 6+ early in the year.
 
Giants win 13-0 being the Big Sedowski.....

The Giants just call up random people and BAM.....2 straight shutouts for Teh Kid....

PLAYOFFS
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']Giants win 13-0 being the Big Sedowski.....

The Giants just call up random people and BAM.....2 straight shutouts for Teh Kid....

PLAYOFFS[/QUOTE]

Hopefully they don't, so you'll shut up. :lol:

But seriously, if they add another bat, they could be scary. That is assuming the Zito doesn't ruin it and Randy holds up. But if not, just kill Lincecum and throw him every game.
 
I hope Sandoval isn't an All-Star snub. I can definitely see it happening.

EDIT: Oh, and Robinson Cano might the worst "good" hitter when it comes to batting with runners in scoring position. He is 0 for his last 18 in such situations, including an 0-3 today. Yeah, Halladay is pitching today, but he doesn't look sharp at all, and everyone else on the team seems to be getting good cuts. Cano, on the other hand, has three slow rollers.
 
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I hope Justin Upton is in it, but we shall see.

The real question is who will be the starting pitcher for the NL? Right now it is really between Lincecum and Haren. Lincecum has more wins, but Haren has better individual numbers.

I'm going to lean more towards Lincecum since he hasn't started in an all-star game and they will want to give it to him. And he is also pitching amazingly as well, of course.
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']Leading the Wild-Card.....[/quote]
Up by a game and a half with 80 left. Don't pop the cork on that champagne just yet.
2nd best record in the NL....
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And still 7 1/2 back of the Dodgers.
And they have a losing record vs. NL West opponents.
And the Dodgers have a better team ERA.
And the Dodgers have a better runs per 9 innings.
And the Dodgers have a better team batting average.

What I would give to face the Giants in the NLCS. Can Lincecum start all 7 games of that series?

/Dodgers fan :D

Seriously though, I cry a little bit every time I see the way Lincecum throws the ball. He's the second coming of Orel Hershiser.

Trade rumors have the Braves shopping Yunel Escobar and Javier Vazquez. Boston, KC, LAD, Brewers, Twins, and Oakland are all supposedly interested. Last week I did a big write up about how Vazquez might be the most underrated pitcher in the NL this year. 2nd in K's. WHIP better than Lincecum. His K to BB ratio is 4.63:1, 5th best for a starter in baseball. ERA over last 5 starts is 1.70. Overall ERA is 3.04. Wins are down because the Braves give the guy zero run support (1 win in the last 5 starts). I got him in my 5x5 FF league as a sweeten-the-pot throw in on a trade early on this year and he has absolutely killed. If he can keep his numbers up after the trade, he would be a stellar addition anywhere he goes.
 
The Mets are playing terrible baseball. They have a ton of injuries but that does not excuse them from playing so poorly. The fundamentals are lacking in their game. After the last few losses for Santana he is basically saying I am doing everything I can but our offense sucks so its not my fault. And Manuel seems to be throwing shots at Minaya in post game remarks by complaining how the team was built. What a mess.
 
Yeah I'd love to see Dodgers/Giants in NLCS with the Giants winning. ;) Either way, an NL West team winning the World Series again would be cool. Since obviously the Diamondbacks are not making the playoffs, which is a little crazy considering how well some of our players are playing... Dan Haren, Mark Reynolds, Justin Upton, etc. But it takes a team effort to win games, and they just get sloppy in late innings and the offense is inconsistent as usual.
 
[quote name='Jimbo Slice']The Phillies are watching Pedro pitch tomorrow (today?) in the Dominican Republic.

Not too sure how I feel about that...[/QUOTE]
The Phillies have no pitching whatsoever. You cant rely on Moyer,Lopez, and blanton and Happ to carry that rotation behind Hamels. Any help is needed and Pedro has to be atleast better than Lopez. Dont take the Mets series as a way to gauge how good moyer,blanton, and lopez are. They are still terrible and they are going to need to start addressing that soon. Phillies Bats are monstrous but their pitching is suspect. Looking at Pedro is fine IMO.
[quote name='DomLando']The Mets are playing terrible baseball. They have a ton of injuries but that does not excuse them from playing so poorly. The fundamentals are lacking in their game. After the last few losses for Santana he is basically saying I am doing everything I can but our offense sucks so its not my fault. And Manuel seems to be throwing shots at Minaya in post game remarks by complaining how the team was built. What a mess.[/QUOTE]

Yeah even Wright making fundamental errors is a shock. You know the season is bad when a gold glover consistently starts making bad plays.

I was listening to the WFAN yesterday and there was 1 caller who had a great point about Minaya. How can we win with a GM that has been known to make the worst trades in history. he traded Cliff Lee,Grady Sizemore, and Brandon Phillips to rent Bartolo Colon. He then flipped Colon months later for more garbage. This is where i have to agree with Manual. Minaya had the chance to make all the right moves in the off-season but of course he thinks differently. I could write a book on how much I think Minaya needs to pack his bags. I mean i will really never forget the Scott Kazmir trade. We traded gold for garbage. In his defense though, Rick Petersen was the A-hole who said he could fix Zambrano. we got rid of 1/3 of the problem....and now 2/3 are left. anyway, manual doesnt have a team he can work with. He has to play guys out of position and the guys he has right now are god awful. we cant even pull anyone up from AAA or AA because they are the worst teams in their respective leagues. only the Savannah Sand Gnats are doing well....but none of the single A guys are ready yet. So we cant call up prospects for help. We are in a dead end and its because the GM put us here. We cant trade anything because we have nothing to trade. So we are stuck with this MASH unit who loves double plays. So as Chris said from WFAN, "sorry met fans, you aren't going to win anything with this guy running your team"

This past weekend has to be an utter embarrassment to all Met Fans. We lose to 2 awful pitchers who dont like to pitch at home in Jamie Moyer and Joe Blanton who had an ERA over 7 and 6 at home respectivley. We also lose to a washed up Orioles pitcher who hasnt pitched in 2007 in Rodrigo Lopez. All we could muster up is 3 measley runs in a hitter's haven for a ballpark. Wright has NO POWER whatsoever. I know he has no protection, but that doesnt make it an excuse. He is getting pitches thrown at him. He is just not swinging the bat well. AND CAN WE PLEASE RELEASE FERNANDO TATIS! GET RID OF THIS GUY! when will manual and minaya see that Tatis is no longer the same hitter he was last year. When was the last time he didnt hit into a double play? 2 months ago? Murphy is looking like garbage too. He is not ready at the MLB level. Send him down and start retooling him. Church is also not hitting for power so i guess 3 runs is actually a reasonable number with this joke of lineup. The mets just need to clean house. fire the whole front office and the managers except Dan Warthen. Clean house and start fresh because we aren't going to win like this.

oh yeah we also have 2 great series to look forward to before AS break. We got the best team in the majors and a Hot Reds team coming to town. before you know it, we will be 6.5 back and the braves will now take us over shifting us to 4th place. I ain't even going to spend to time to even watch a mets game this week. after the Phillies series, im pretty much done. Even with the bodies coming back, It will be hard for me to watch because its not like they will the same players like they were before.
 
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[quote name='integralsmatic']The Phillies have no pitching whatsoever. You cant rely on Moyer,Lopez, and blanton and Happ to carry that rotation behind Hamels. Any help is needed and Pedro has to be atleast better than Lopez. Dont take the Mets series as a way to gauge how good moyer,blanton, and lopez are. They are still terrible and they are going to need to start addressing that soon. Phillies Bats are monstrous but their pitching is suspect. Looking at Pedro is fine IMO. [/QUOTE]

Happ has been great.

Moyer and Blanton are still World Series Champion Pitchers Moyer and Blanton. I'm fine with them being part of the rotation.

I'm not high on Lopez, but he's fine for now.

The reason I don't wanna look at Pedro is because I want the Phillies to make a move for a pitcher. If we sign Pedro, it's a very short-term solution. I'd love to give up someone like Dobbs, Marson (Catcher in our Farm System) and some other prospects for a Roy Oswalt or Eric Bedard. If we got a solid pitcher in return, we could have a rotation anchored by Hamels and another stud for years to come.

I feel pretty good about the Phillies at the very least being able to get the Wild Card (sorry Giants fans, but I don't see that team holding up down the long haul.)

I like the Phils chances to make a nice playoff run again. I'm not gonna run to Vegas and put my life-savings on them repeating, but I look forward to this October.
 
[quote name='Jimbo Slice']Happ has been great.

Moyer and Blanton are still World Series Champion Pitchers Moyer and Blanton. I'm fine with them being part of the rotation.

I'm not high on Lopez, but he's fine for now.

The reason I don't wanna look at Pedro is because I want the Phillies to make a move for a pitcher. If we sign Pedro, it's a very short-term solution. I'd love to give up someone like Dobbs, Marson (Catcher in our Farm System) and some other prospects for a Roy Oswalt or Eric Bedard. If we got a solid pitcher in return, we could have a rotation anchored by Hamels and another stud for years to come.

I feel pretty good about the Phillies at the very least being able to get the Wild Card (sorry Giants fans, but I don't see that team holding up down the long haul.)

I like the Phils chances to make a nice playoff run again. I'm not gonna run to Vegas and put my life-savings on them repeating, but I look forward to this October.[/QUOTE]

I think its safe to say you guys will take the east. The marlins are your only real concern. The mets cant win with the squad they have now and i wont count out the braves but i have to see what they do at the dead line. Escobar and Vazquez will be expensive for any team.

Short Term might be a good idea at this moment. If he can fill in the back end with solid pitching and get him on the cheap, than its a low risk high reward move. If he sucks dump him and take a small loss.

Yeah they are world series pitchers but this year have been struggling mightily and at home. Thats the last place where they need to struggle. But who knows, maybe their struggles have ended with this past series. i just dont like pitchers who have a really high era at home and have been pitching like that at home in the past two months. It would cause me to have some serious concern about the staff.

Yeah any team would love to get Oswalt or Bedard but its going to take a huge package of high level prospects to get them. I can see Dobbs,Marson, and a high level catching prospect..but i dont know if the Stros would bite with Oswalt still having at least 2 years left on that huge extension he signed back in 2006. but if they rebuilding than Marson or Carrasco...or both may be enough for a blockbuster trade. Although the Phillies would be getting more than Oswalt in return.

I dont think the Phillies have anything to worry about. They usually start slow and finish really strong at the end. If they are starting to heat up, than they should have no problems extending their lead on the division. With the Dodgers and Reds coming to Citi, The mets should be in 4th place by the time its all said and done.
 
[quote name='integralsmatic']
I think its safe to say you guys will take the east. The marlins are your only real concern. The mets cant win with the squad they have now and i wont count out the braves but i have to see what they do at the dead line. Escobar and Vazquez will be expensive for any team.

Short Term might be a good idea at this moment. If he can fill in the back end with solid pitching and get him on the cheap, than its a low risk high reward move. If he sucks dump him and take a small loss.

Yeah they are world series pitchers but this year have been struggling mightily and at home. Thats the last place where they need to struggle. But who knows, maybe their struggles have ended with this past series. i just dont like pitchers who have a really high era at home and have been pitching like that at home in the past two months. It would cause me to have some serious concern about the staff.

Yeah any team would love to get Oswalt or Bedard but its going to take a huge package of high level prospects to get them. I can see Dobbs,Marson, and a high level catching prospect..but i dont know if the Stros would bite with Oswalt still having at least 2 years left on that huge extension he signed back in 2006. but if they rebuilding than Marson or Carrasco...or both may be enough for a blockbuster trade. Although the Phillies would be getting more than Oswalt in return.

I dont think the Phillies have anything to worry about. They usually start slow and finish really strong at the end. If they are starting to heat up, than they should have no problems extending their lead on the division. With the Dodgers and Reds coming to Citi, The mets should be in 4th place by the time its all said and done.
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Yeah, Oswalt really depends on what the Astros are looking for. If they are committing to re-building, then I think we could get Oswalt. Knowing Ed Wade, we could probably get Oswalt for a couple cheesesteaks and a knap of Chase Utley's hair (I kid, I kid.)

I look forward to the race at the end, but I do hope in a way that the Mets stay in it. It's much more interesting when it is them we are battling against.
 
I am happy I don't have any Reds pitchers on my FF team, though sad I have no Phils batters either.

Yukine, I'm loving the HR and SB I get from Reynolds. A sweet waiver pickup and a damn decent ballplayer. A 1B/3B that swipes bases AND hits for power is a luxury in my 5x5 fantasy league. Not a guy that everyone has heard of, but a guy that gets it done for sure.
 
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[quote name='Jimbo Slice']Yeah, Oswalt really depends on what the Astros are looking for. If they are committing to re-building, then I think we could get Oswalt. Knowing Ed Wade, we could probably get Oswalt for a couple cheesesteaks and a knap of Chase Utley's hair (I kid, I kid.)[/QUOTE]
Houston is an absolute mess. Worst farm in the league, no pitching past Oswalt (Wandy is a joke), and huge trade value guys ripe for trading to rebuild a team into a serious contender in a couple of years. I don't think they have anyone that should be off the table except Pence, including Berkman and Lee. I went to dinner a few nights ago and ended up talking Stros with a bunch of guys that really knew their shit. Consensus was that they should absolutely trade em all, but absolutely shouldn't because Wade and the owner are flat out idiots and would end up giving them away.

Houston is a damn shame. Good guys on the team, nice park, god awful front office.
 
[quote name='speedracer']Up by a game and a half with 80 left. Don't pop the cork on that champagne just yet.

And still 7 1/2 back of the Dodgers.
And they have a losing record vs. NL West opponents.
And the Dodgers have a better team ERA.
And the Dodgers have a better runs per 9 innings.
And the Dodgers have a better team batting average.

What I would give to face the Giants in the NLCS. Can Lincecum start all 7 games of that series?

/Dodgers fan :D

Seriously though, I cry a little bit every time I see the way Lincecum throws the ball. He's the second coming of Orel Hershiser.

Trade rumors have the Braves shopping Yunel Escobar and Javier Vazquez. Boston, KC, LAD, Brewers, Twins, and Oakland are all supposedly interested. Last week I did a big write up about how Vazquez might be the most underrated pitcher in the NL this year. 2nd in K's. WHIP better than Lincecum. His K to BB ratio is 4.63:1, 5th best for a starter in baseball. ERA over last 5 starts is 1.70. Overall ERA is 3.04. Wins are down because the Braves give the guy zero run support (1 win in the last 5 starts). I got him in my 5x5 FF league as a sweeten-the-pot throw in on a trade early on this year and he has absolutely killed. If he can keep his numbers up after the trade, he would be a stellar addition anywhere he goes.[/QUOTE]

We throw out Barry Zito to inflate our Team ERA so MLB doesn't get suspicious and cause us to trade Teh Franchise or Matt Cain....

Hey wanna play a fun game?

Name the only team with two starting pitchers in the All-Star game.

Time's Up!

Answer: Cy Timmy and Matt Cain.

I would love to face the Dodgers......really I would.
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']Name the only team with two starting pitchers in the All-Star game.
Time's Up!
Answer: Cy Timmy and Matt Cain.
I would love to face the Dodgers......really I would.[/QUOTE]
Let's play another one: of the two teams talked about, name the one that's won more than zero World Series titles.

;D

Blue Jays say they'll listen to offers for Roy Halladay. Holy shit.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4311661&campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines
 
[quote name='speedracer']Let's play another one: of the two teams talked about, name the one that's won more than zero World Series titles.

;D

Blue Jays say they'll listen to offers for Roy Halladay. Holy shit.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4311661&campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines[/QUOTE]

Nice.....you guys won it 20+ years ago?

Good shit.....Thriller album still doing well in the 80's there Dr. Brown?

Maybe we can jump in your delorian and go back and see the Giants WS while were going way back in time!
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']We throw out Barry Zito to inflate our Team ERA so MLB doesn't get suspicious and cause us to trade Teh Franchise or Matt Cain....

Hey wanna play a fun game?

Name the only team with two starting pitchers in the All-Star game.

Time's Up!

Answer: Cy Timmy and Matt Cain.

I would love to face the Dodgers......really I would.[/QUOTE]


You failed your pop quiz in atleast 2 ways. Firstly, Lincecum and Cain aren't a team, but part of the SF Giants. And secondly, Tim Wakefield is a SP, so Boston has 2 with him and Beckett.
 
[quote name='craven_fiend']You failed your pop quiz in atleast 2 ways. Firstly, Lincecum and Cain aren't a team, but part of the SF Giants. And secondly, Tim Wakefield is a SP, so Boston has 2 with him and Beckett.[/QUOTE]

Tim Lincecum wants to eat your children.
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']Tim Lincecum wants to eat your children.[/QUOTE]

Thats really no good, since my son is only 22 months and my daughter is still a fetus. He must like eating really young kids.


But back on baseball, I just had to get you with the Beckett/Wakefield thing. But neither of those 2 will likely start for the AL team.
 
[quote name='craven_fiend']Thats really no good, since my son is only 22 months and my daughter is still a fetus. He must like eating really young kids.


But back on baseball, I just had to get you with the Beckett/Wakefield thing. But neither of those 2 will likely start for the AL team.[/QUOTE]

I'd trade Cain for Beckett.
 
Diamondbacks trade Tony Pena to the White Sox for prospect Brandon Allen.

I'll take it, we could use a power lefty like Allen.
 
[quote name='speedracer']Houston is an absolute mess. Worst farm in the league, no pitching past Oswalt (Wandy is a joke), and huge trade value guys ripe for trading to rebuild a team into a serious contender in a couple of years. I don't think they have anyone that should be off the table except Pence, including Berkman and Lee. I went to dinner a few nights ago and ended up talking Stros with a bunch of guys that really knew their shit. Consensus was that they should absolutely trade em all, but absolutely shouldn't because Wade and the owner are flat out idiots and would end up giving them away.

Houston is a damn shame. Good guys on the team, nice park, god awful front office.[/QUOTE]

Ed Wade=OMar Minaya.

I firmly believe this and staken this stance.
 
Hmmm. The Dodgers appear to have a young lefty that's dominating now. Kershaw's given up 2 runs in the last 29 2/3 innings. Of his seven strikeouts last night, five third strikes were on curveballs. A 21 year old lefty with fire AND a plus plus curveball that he's almost got tamed. Tasty. And he 3 hit the Mets last night.

And good for Zito. At this pace, he might get his W-L back to .500 someday.

You are right though ph33r. There's a huge difference between our young gun pitchers (Kershaw, Billingsley) and yours. Ours have playoff experience. :D

Ryan Dempster broke his toe going onto the field to celebrate yesterday. Whoops.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-08-cubs-brite-chicago-jul08,0,6509063.story
 
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[quote name='speedracer']Hmmm. The Dodgers appear to have a young lefty that's dominating now. Kershaw's given up 2 runs in the last 29 2/3 innings. Of his seven strikeouts last night, five third strikes were on curveballs. A 21 year old lefty with fire AND a plus plus curveball that he's almost got tamed. Tasty. And he 3 hit the Mets last night.

And good for Zito. At this pace, he might get his W-L back to .500 someday.

You are right though ph33r. There's a huge difference between our young gun pitchers (Kershaw, Billingsley) and yours. Ours have playoff experience. :D

Ryan Dempster broke his toe going onto the field to celebrate yesterday. Whoops.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-08-cubs-brite-chicago-jul08,0,6509063.story[/QUOTE]


Speed, you could have 3 hit the mets last night. if Lopez,Moyer and Blanton could hold this pathetic excuse of an offense to 3 runs in 3 games....than having a guy like Kershaw who is better than all three of those guys combined...i was expecting a no hitter. And it doesnt get any better for us tonight.....OLIVER PEREZ is on the mound! Im expecting another shut out and a big blow out tonight. Ill be stunned if he makes it through 4.

Thats funny on demp. Good Times Bill Grammatica.
 
integralsmatic, I haven't been following the Mets. What the hell is going on over there? What's up with Reyes? Where the hell did Wright's power go? Is it a front office problem or is the whole damn organization just suckin right now?
 
[quote name='speedracer']integralsmatic, I haven't been following the Mets. What the hell is going on over there? What's up with Reyes? Where the hell did Wright's power go? Is it a front office problem or is the whole damn organization just suckin right now?[/QUOTE]

From what i know, Reyes just got a cortisone shot and he is rehabbing in florida. Which basically means....we won't see him anytime soon. expect early september. Beltran same story, another set back...expect him late july or early august. Delgado early-mid august,Wagner late august, maine early august......shiet...The season will be over an done with after they get these guys back. Who knows with wright. i think its a combo of things. Lack of protection, Citifield,switching contact for power....this guy has just lost it. I feel like he has an identity problem. he doesn't know if he wants to be a power hitter(which he needs to be) or a contact hitter(which is useless without power hitters). Plus im beginning to feel like he can't take pressure whatsoever and he isn't as clutch as he was in 06. i think its just an off year hopefully but we will see. He needs to become a veteran precense in the clubhouse and has stop being afraid to take control with a club house full of vets. he needs to step and be the leader.

Its a collective on the sucking part. From Freddy Wilpon all the way down to the bench coach. Minaya and Jeff Wilpon aren't on the same page as when it comes to that and it even trickles to Minaya and Manual. I feel like everyone wants something different and each piece is holding each other back from making the right moves. If you had SNY and watched the joke of a post game press conference last night....Omar Minaya sounds like he is throwing in the towel. Techinically, the mets are still in it...but the gist of it was Minaya saying that if he made a trade...there is no one better than the guys he is getting back from injury. So a trade wouldnt help. But....he then goes on saying about how Reyes is the best SS in the game and that he will come back. He just doesn't know when....so that reason is enough for him to not facilitate any trades. Bobby Ojeda called him out on it, media called him out on it.....the mets need to make moves to fix these problems both long and short term. Like a back up first basemen would be nice..and a full time LF would be great too. We have too many RF/CF filling our bench. Pitching depth has becoming an enormous problem. This team is an utter mess and im beginning to think that Steve Phillips is 10Xs better than Omar Minaya. At least it was Phillips who scouted reyes and wright and he still gave us a decent farm to work with. Minaya on the other hand...just gives our gems away for garbage. the only one trade he made that was good was Santana....but we got lucky on that since the yanks balked by not giving up Hughes and Kennedy. i just hope Fred and Jeff Wilpon come to their senses and clean house.....from minaya and that asshole Tony Bernazard all the way to Razor "i have no clue how to be a third base coach"shines. They need to start fresh or else the mets will be the 1990's mets.
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']I'd trade Cain for Beckett.[/QUOTE]

That would be tempting, depending on when it would happen (off season) and what else would come with Cain. But Beckett is pretty nice in the post season (sans last season).

[quote name='dopa345']Halladay would look pretty darn good in a Red Sox uniform.

Make it happen, Theo.[/QUOTE]

As much as I'd like to see him in Boston, I think the Blue Jays would want the Sox to mortgage the farm just to get him. Lars and Clay would be gone, along with many other top tier specs. If they were to do that, I'd rather get Adrian Gonzalez from the Padres.
 
I cant believe my eyes. After all the thrashing i just posted....Oliver Perez WINs?!?!?!?! even pitching wildly? and the mets scored more in one game than in all of the last 4 games. Im not believing anything. We barely won today...and Perez may play the jekyl and hyde routine. But hey Murphy made a great play for once and i guess that helped set the tone. But somehow Perez escaped even though he gave up like what 7 walks? atleast its not a sweep. Wolf vs Livan tomorrow. Should be an interesting matchup with Manny's Bat being Ultra HOT again..but with livan..i waver loss or win. he has been pretty good with a terrible lineup and if you minus 1 or 2 horrible outings.
 
I doubt anyone. Ricciardi is gonna want a king's ransom. He's already said that if you're gonna call him and name some B-level prospects, you might as well not even bother picking up the phone. Then, you gotta factor in that only maybe like 6 to 8 teams will be interested, after considerations of whether or not they are in contention and whether or not they wanna take on or can take on about $22 million over the next year and a half. And they'll likely not want to trade him to two of those teams: New York and Boston. For him to stay in the AL East, you're probably talking about giving up some legitimate MLB talent now (for the Yankees, names like Cano and Hughes come to mind) or simply hand over any and all A prospects you have down on the farm.
 
I know this is being optimistic, but I think the Phillies are one of the few teams that could afford to take him on, have a legitimate need for him and can package the prospects to make it worthwhile.

I read that the Blue Jays had a scout at the game yesterday watching Happ pitch, so ya never know.
 
Im with bigdaddy one this one. Its going to have to blow the roof off Ricciardi to trade halladay with two years left on his deal.

for the phils its going to have to package happ,marson, Carrasco,Dobbs..or any position player the jays are looking for. it wont take all those guys but a combo of those guys is what i feel like sorta enough to get halladay if they want prospects. A man can only dream if Halladay wore a mets jersey. Who would be #1? lol but we have a shot in hell in getting him and omar aint dealing at the deadline.
 
I think it's time for Omar to be shown the door. He has made some awful moves, like giving big contracts to "ole can't catch a pop-up" and Ollie Perez. And this year, well, I simply don't know what the fuck he is doing. At the end of May, the Mets were 7 games over. It's a good team that simply cannot get over the hump of, right now, missing three out of their four best offensive players. As far as I'm concerned, you need to make a move to bring in a bat and do your best to stay in the two races. Yeah, he's right about the fact that the guys that are coming back are really good, and you really aren't gonna get anyone better...but when the hell are they coming back? You can't just sit on your ass for another month and hope you're still around by then.

I mean, let's say, for example, the Mets traded for Adam Dunn. You stick him at first for now (which should be a defensive adventure, but no worse than platooning two guys there now that aren't first baseman). If Delgado does come back, you simply find time for Dunn at first and the outfield. I mean, when he comes back Delgado ain't gonna play every day, anyway. Plus, Sheffield needs days off, too, so there's your time in the outfield. And when Dunn doesn't start, you got a really expensive pinch-hitter who can hit the ball to the moon.
 
[quote name='craven_fiend']
As much as I'd like to see him in Boston, I think the Blue Jays would want the Sox to mortgage the farm just to get him. Lars and Clay would be gone, along with many other top tier specs. If they were to do that, I'd rather get Adrian Gonzalez from the Padres.[/QUOTE]

I would trade Clay and Lars plus one other prospect easily for Halladay. With Halladay-Beckett-Lester, the Sox would have the best 1-2-3 in any starting rotation in the Majors and lock up the AL East for the next two years and at least one more World Series championship.
 
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