2009 MLB Discussion Thread

[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']For him to stay in the AL East, you're probably talking about giving up some legitimate MLB talent now (for the Yankees, names like Cano and Hughes come to mind) or simply hand over any and all A prospects you have down on the farm.[/QUOTE]

And I'd gladly trade Cano and Austin Jackson/Melky Cabrera (and possibly a mid-level pitching prospect if needed) to land Halladay. He's the best pitcher in baseball, pitching in the toughest division. He's a horse who just goes out and mows people down. He's 32, so he's got at least another 4 good years.

Cano is a very talented player, but he shows these frightening signs of lack of baseball intelligence almost routinely now. And he doesn't produce when batting higher than 7th. And that's when he's playing well. When he's slumping, he looks like one of the worst hitters in baseball. I'd easily let him go to get a guy like Halladay.
 
[quote name='integralsmatic']I cant believe my eyes. After all the thrashing i just posted....Oliver Perez WINs?!?!?!?! even pitching wildly? and the mets scored more in one game than in all of the last 4 games. Im not believing anything. We barely won today...and Perez may play the jekyl and hyde routine. But hey Murphy made a great play for once and i guess that helped set the tone. But somehow Perez escaped even though he gave up like what 7 walks? atleast its not a sweep. Wolf vs Livan tomorrow. Should be an interesting matchup with Manny's Bat being Ultra HOT again..but with livan..i waver loss or win. he has been pretty good with a terrible lineup and if you minus 1 or 2 horrible outings.[/QUOTE]

That Murphy play was crazy!
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']And I'd gladly trade Cano and Austin Jackson/Melky Cabrera (and possibly a mid-level pitching prospect if needed) to land Halladay. He's the best pitcher in baseball, pitching in the toughest division. He's a horse who just goes out and mows people down. He's 32, so he's got at least another 4 good years.

Cano is a very talented player, but he shows these frightening signs of lack of baseball intelligence almost routinely now. And he doesn't produce when batting higher than 7th. And that's when he's playing well. When he's slumping, he looks like one of the worst hitters in baseball. I'd easily let him go to get a guy like Halladay.[/QUOTE]

Thing is, that definitely would not be enough to land Halladay. You're looking at something like Cano, Hughes, and a legitimate prospect. Cabrera's days as trade bait have passed. He got sent down last year, and he shot his load already this year. I think it's pretty clear to everyone around the league that the Yankees are getting tired his act, so I doubt anyone is falling all over themselves to get Melky. Cabrera is the kind of guy that you might be able to trade for someone else's headache, and you just wish each other good luck in turning them around. He's definitely any kind of centerpiece in landing one of the best starting pitchers in baseball. Also, for the reasons you mentioned, Cano also kind of falls under the category of headace. He simply has more value than Cabrera, though, because he's far more talened.

And as far as I am concerned, the Yankees already rolled the dice and balked at trading a package that included Hughes for Santana before last season. They finally made it appear like they had some plans on developing pitching for the future. They've put up with a lot of growing pains from Joba. They shouldn't reverse their course now and trade Hughes, especially after he has shown that, even if he doesn't pan out as a starter, he may very have a future as a shutdown reliever.
 
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[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']I think it's time for Omar to be shown the door. He has made some awful moves, like giving big contracts to "ole can't catch a pop-up" and Ollie Perez. And this year, well, I simply don't know what the fuck he is doing. At the end of May, the Mets were 7 games over. It's a good team that simply cannot get over the hump of, right now, missing three out of their four best offensive players. As far as I'm concerned, you need to make a move to bring in a bat and do your best to stay in the two races. Yeah, he's right about the fact that the guys that are coming back are really good, and you really aren't gonna get anyone better...but when the hell are they coming back? You can't just sit on your ass for another month and hope you're still around by then.

I mean, let's say, for example, the Mets traded for Adam Dunn. You stick him at first for now (which should be a defensive adventure, but no worse than platooning two guys there now that aren't first baseman). If Delgado does come back, you simply find time for Dunn at first and the outfield. I mean, when he comes back Delgado ain't gonna play every day, anyway. Plus, Sheffield needs days off, too, so there's your time in the outfield. And when Dunn doesn't start, you got a really expensive pinch-hitter who can hit the ball to the moon.[/QUOTE]

I cant tell you how much i am applauding this post. :applause:

I dont think i have to wright anything here. People should just read this and its what i would be saying too.
The one thing that made me chuckle about the Perez contract is that Omar made it seem like Perez had a buncha suitors....so he was in a hurry to sign him.....but it was only Omar who was in the running to get him. No other team would touch him. I would have paid the extra 28 million to get Lowe here. SP would no where near be a problem if Lowe was pitching for us.

I really think that the Mets need to clean house top to bottom and just keep their core pieces. Ideally, sign a GM with the intellect of Theo Epstein and get back bobby valentine to give him a proper team to win with and im sure enough the mets would be good and not overrated.

I would love to have Dunn. 20 million for a slugger who walks and plays two positions....sounds better than a 28 million dollar second basemen or a overpaid catcher who is basically Rey Ordonez as a catcher. he adds depth at two positions and he is a good middle lineup slugger. im not really caring if he SOs a lot. Wright is probably striking out just as much as he is now...but it could decrease with some protection. Anyway, this team is in trouble if omar is just sitting and trying to survive. I just hope jeff wilpon gives us our wish and fire his ass.
[quote name='DomLando']That Murphy play was crazy![/QUOTE]
QFT.

First good fielding play he made all year. before it was just error after error. He sucks right now but hopefully this carries as experience for years to come and he breaks out of it and becomes a top flight player.

[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']Thing is, that definitely would not be enough to land Halladay. You're looking at something like Cano, Hughes, and a legitimate prospect. Cabrera's days as trade bait have passed. He got sent down last year, and he shot his load already this year. I think it's pretty clear to everyone around the league that the Yankees are getting tired his act, so I doubt anyone is falling all over themselves to get Melky. Cabrera is the kind of guy that you might be able to trade for someone else's headache, and you just wish each other good luck in turning them around. He's definitely any kind of centerpiece in landing one of the best starting pitchers in baseball. Also, for the reasons you mentioned, Cano also kind of falls under the category of headace. He simply has more value than Cabrera, though, because he's far more talened.

And as far as I am concerned, the Yankees already rolled the dice and balked at trading a package that included Hughes for Santana before last season. They finally made it appear like they had some plans on developing pitching for the future. They've put up with a lot of growing pains from Joba. They shouldn't reverse their course now and trade Hughes, especially after he has shown that, even if he doesn't pan out as a starter, he may very have a future as a shutdown reliever.[/QUOTE]

Its going to take a shit load to make a deal with ricciardi if your the yankees. I mean trading one of the best pitchers inside the division to a team that consistently beats you and is powerful already.....thats just suicide in their case. They will sit in the bottom for years to come and now they have nothing to bring the fans in to the stadium. Cano,HUghes, and a high prospect wont be near enough. it may take Joba,Cano, and HUghes just to consider a trade IMHO....which i would still do if i were the yankees. if Joba is still a SP..than do it. The Yankees will probably throw even more money to keep Halladay if they got him and then they could have the best 1-2-3 punch in the League.
 
Of course I'm crowing about the Dodgers and you're crapping on the Mets and Perez and it goes against what we're saying. Wouldn't be baseball otherwise. :D

I just wanted to point this out to everyone to illustrate just how bad the Houston front office is. This is not an Astros writer or blog, it's just a guy that does great baseball analysis. He wrote a long story on how the Astros deal for Backe was beyond absurd. I love how he closes it.

The Astros, for some unexplainable reason, avoided arbitration with Backe again by agreeing to a contract worth 1.55M for the 2009 season. Although Backe's strikeout numbers did improve greatly, his walks increased as well, and his HR numbers spiked, creating his worst year by FIP. For a player that never posted a K/BB above 2, who has an extensive history of injuries, and had posted roughly a whole win below replacement the season before, anything above the league minimum is almost certainly a mistake. The Astros did finally cut ties, but not without being on the hook for roughly another million dollars before the season is over. Whether GM Ed Wade or owner Drayton McLane is responsible for holding on for this long, it is a mistake that cannot be allowed to happen in the business of professional baseball.
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http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/7/1/930537/brandon-backe-finally-released

If I were the Jays, I'd want Buchholz, Bowden, and Casey Kelly from Boston for Roy. And here's an really cool look at the value of Halladay. Seriously, read it. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/roy-halladays-trade-value/

Phillies fans - that’s Dominic Brown, Kyle Drabek, and Carlos Carrasco. Mets fans? Fernando Martinez, Wilmer Flores, and Jenrry Mejia.

You get the idea. If the Blue Jays trade Roy Halladay, they’re going to ask for the moon. And they should. He’s worth it.
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[quote name='speedracer']Hmmm. The Dodgers appear to have a young lefty that's dominating now. Kershaw's given up 2 runs in the last 29 2/3 innings. Of his seven strikeouts last night, five third strikes were on curveballs. A 21 year old lefty with fire AND a plus plus curveball that he's almost got tamed. Tasty. And he 3 hit the Mets last night.

And good for Zito. At this pace, he might get his W-L back to .500 someday.

You are right though ph33r. There's a huge difference between our young gun pitchers (Kershaw, Billingsley) and yours. Ours have playoff experience. :D

Ryan Dempster broke his toe going onto the field to celebrate yesterday. Whoops.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-08-cubs-brite-chicago-jul08,0,6509063.story[/QUOTE]

Anytime you wanna pass up the best pitcher in baseball for Kershaw.....shit be my guest.

Teh Franchise takes a no-no to the 7th.....he's too fuckin' good.

Victorino and Werth over Sandoval? Yeah....about that.....
 
All right, Met fans. What exactly is Omar smoking? He referred to Jeff Francoeur as a guy that "some people think is the best defensive right fielder baseball." Listen, I understand Church had fallen out of favor with Manuel, but don't try to act like you got some awesome deal here. This is a case of two teams exchanging guys that were trying the patience of their respective organizations. And yeah, the Mets needed a right-handed bat, but Francoeur's whopping five homeruns aren't exactly gonna boost the Met lineup.
 
Well, Francouer's younger, less injury prone, and has a bigger upside. Whether or not he can get his shit together offensively is another story. Hit hit what, 29 home runs two or three years ago? It's not a great move, but it's decent.
 
Haren makes up for the bullpen meltdown last night by dominating the Marlins tonight, complete game shutout.

But that is nothing compared to the no-hitter by Sanchez! Nearly a perfect game.
 
[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']All right, Met fans. What exactly is Omar smoking? He referred to Jeff Francoeur as a guy that "some people think is the best defensive right fielder baseball." Listen, I understand Church had fallen out of favor with Manuel, but don't try to act like you got some awesome deal here. This is a case of two teams exchanging guys that were trying the patience of their respective organizations. And yeah, the Mets needed a right-handed bat, but Francoeur's whopping five homeruns aren't exactly gonna boost the Met lineup.[/QUOTE]

The only thing i get with Francouer is that he is younger and he has a great arm in the outfield. He should fit well better than church in the OF. I was listening to the WFAN with Steve Sommers and he had an interview with a journalist from an atlanta newspaper. After hearing what the Braves dealt with, with him, i'm not sure if i like it. When he first came in to the league he was all about hitting runs. So the Home Runs came with that. Than after that great 06 season he was so addicted to power. INstead of working with Terry Pendleton to fix his swing..he went to the Rangers Hitting Coach...and the braves hate it when you go out of house to fix problems since it shows your not part of the team. Well after all that work and body building he did....he just got worse. And even now with him slimmer and a new batting stance...he still stinks offensivley. The Braves were going to non-tender him at the end of the season anyway. So he would have been yesterday's garbage.

As for omar, i dont like how they came to the trade. "oh me and frank were just talking and it came in to fruition." So is that how he works out deals? I was hoping for a guy like Chad Tracy or Ryan Garko or hell even Nick Johnson...but not Jeff Francouer. The trade also points to next year and not this year. And to bank on him getting his power back is just flat out ludicrous in a park like citifield. If David Wright cant bomb home runs at home...than no way francouer can. not with his stance. Im just fed up with moves that arent helping our depth.

[quote name='st0neface']Well, Francouer's younger, less injury prone, and has a bigger upside. Whether or not he can get his shit together offensively is another story. Hit hit what, 29 home runs two or three years ago? It's not a great move, but it's decent.[/QUOTE]

yeah but thats just looking at it like a prospect. Francoeur has been healthy and averages 151 games a year...but you cant go a full season and only hit like what 15 homers and be known as a power hitter. and it seems like nothing change this year. He is hitting .251 with 5 homers and 32 rbis. Church aint doing much better. so.....I feel like its wash and we just got another problem.

But i am impressed with David Wright at least for finally speaking out about how this team cant wait for the injured bodies to come back. That makes me happy because its about dam time he starts showing me some emotion and telling the front office to get off its ass and make a useful deal.
 
Seriously.....who wants what?

The Giants 6th best pitcher just threw a no-hitter....

We were willing to trade this guy for a PTBNL.....that's how stacked our pitching is....
 
[quote name='st0neface']Well, Francouer's younger, less injury prone, and has a bigger upside. Whether or not he can get his shit together offensively is another story. Hit hit what, 29 home runs two or three years ago? It's not a great move, but it's decent.[/QUOTE]

Francouer's 29 homerun year was the worst of his first 3 seasons. The guy is a sub .300 OBP player.

He has no value, unless he learns to not to swing at everything or suddenly develops the hand-eye coordination of Nomar Garciaparra circa 1997.

The Braves have given him almost 2500 atbats in the Majors. If he was going to develop plate discipline it would have happened by now.
 
[quote name='paddlefoot']Francouer's 29 homerun year was the worst of his first 3 seasons. The guy is a sub .300 OBP player.

He has no value, unless he learns to not to swing at everything or suddenly develops the hand-eye coordination of Nomar Garciaparra circa 1997.

The Braves have given him almost 2500 atbats in the Majors. If he was going to develop plate discipline it would have happened by now.[/QUOTE]

Rob Neyer wrote one of Omar's reason why he is better than Church. HE plays more games. He cant even justify himself.

this is exactly why the trade will make no difference. We just got a very young Jose Valentin basically.
 
Whatever the quality of the move, Omar is going way overboard with the spin. He plays more games. That's fucking great. I'm a Yankee fan, and that whole situation still pisses me off to no end.

And I'll tell you what. I've seen enough of Church to know that, if he's given a chance, he will produce. He was playing great last year before he got hurt, and the Mets kept trying to rush him back. And this year, he never knew when the hell he was gonna play. There's no consistency in Manuel's line-ups and moves. The only things Francoeur has over Church is power and arm, but not by much. I have definitely seen Church throw some frozen ropes and hit some moonshots.
 
[quote name='integralsmatic']Rob Neyer wrote one of Omar's reason why he is better than Church. HE plays more games. He cant even justify himself.

this is exactly why the trade will make no difference. We just got a very young Jose Valentin basically.[/QUOTE]

That trade was pointless to me for the Mets.

The Mets need to start trading away some veterans and start building a team built for Citi Field. Maybe try and mirror a team like the Rays.
 
[quote name='DomLando']That trade was pointless to me for the Mets.

The Mets need to start trading away some veterans and start building a team built for Citi Field. Maybe try and mirror a team like the Rays.[/QUOTE]

The Mets don't have much of value at the moment to make a worthwhile trade. Realistically, they should just keep the status quo and wait until Delgado, Beltran, Reyes, Maine, Putz, et al. are healthy.
 
IMO, what it would take for Halladay is too much. According to weei shows, it would take a buckhlotz, bowden, delcarmen and lars anderson. While it would be great for the short term, it will deplete the farm system and not address the teams biggest holes of the future. They will need a corner INF when lowell is done, they will need 2 corner OF when bay/drews contract is up, and they need a catcher and possibly a DH in the next 2 seasons. They have nothing remotely close to taking care of that in the near future from within. They need to aquire a bat if not for this season, then the future and they could use those players to fill the teams needs.

On top of all that, halladay is old. This isn't like the the josh beckett trade, when you got a 25 year old stud. He is entering the back half of his career. If you trade the farm system, you would have to get a contract extension set up with him before the trade. You will most likely get stuck with him at big money untill he is 36/37 and he will not be the pitcher then that he is now most likely.

The other big issue is what the blue jays need. They need a MLB ready SS and C. The sox and the yanks do not have the trade chips for that. The jays have a ton of young arms, and while adding 2 more SP studs and a bullpen stud will help them, it isn't what they need.

I am surprised there hasn't been much talk of the angels being interested in him. They have a history of first round playoff exits, and they are fighting for there life vs a surprisingly good rangers team. They have a ton of young prospects as well, and they have position player prospects.
 
I don't see the need for either the sox or the yanks to pick up Halladay. The asking price is too high, and in order to do that deal you need to lock him up for 4 ++ more years. If that is the case, he will be coming up on 37 and will have a high price tag, and most likely won't be the same pitcher then that he is now. While it would be great to have a beckett/lester/Halladay in the playoffs, it would not be worth it.

According to WEEI radio shows, the starting price for the sox would be buckholtz/bowden/delcarmen(or masterson) and lars anderson. That is too much for him. Yes he is a stud pitcher, but this isn't like the josh beckett trade. Beckett was 25 when we got him, and Halladay will be going into the back end of his career shortly.

The other big issue that both the yanks/sox would have in acquiring him is that they don't have the pieces that toronto needs. The bluejays need a MLB ready SS and C. Neither the sox/yanks have that to trade. The blue jays strength is there young pitching.

The sox biggest need now is another bat. Now maybe they will get that if lowell stays healthy in the 2nd half (big if) and lowrie plays like he did in spring training. He was the best looking offensive player for the sox in spring training. The ball was popping off of his bat with authority. He played well last year (nothing great) but he did have a big bone chip removed from his wrist, that ortiz said was the size of pedroia. Gammons had him pegged for 45 doubles this season playing at home in fenway. That would be a huge plus to the back end of the order. The sox need to keep all pitching prospects to help them retool there team over the next couple of years. They will need a corner Inf, when lowell contract is done. They need a good young catcher. They will need to replace big pappi soon. They have 2 corner OF positions that may need to be filled if/when bay/drew leave over the next 2 seasons. Currently there farm system doesn't have anyone that can fill those voids in the next 2 seasons when most of the current players will be moving on. Yes lars anderson is supposed to be a big power threat, but he has played horrible this year in the minors, and he is only projected to be a 20homer guy. I am sorry, but I want more for a 1b considering jason bartlett of the rays is almost on pace for 20 homers this year.

I am surprised I haven't heard the angels aggressively pursuing him. They have a streak of 1st round playoff loss's, and they are fighting for there life against a very suprising texas rangers team. I thought the angels had a bunch of top tier prospects and several position player prospects.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']I don't see the need for either the sox or the yanks to pick up Halladay. The asking price is too high, and in order to do that deal you need to lock him up for 4 ++ more years. If that is the case, he will be coming up on 37 and will have a high price tag, and most likely won't be the same pitcher then that he is now. While it would be great to have a beckett/lester/Halladay in the playoffs, it would not be worth it.

According to WEEI radio shows, the starting price for the sox would be buckholtz/bowden/delcarmen(or masterson) and lars anderson. That is too much for him. Yes he is a stud pitcher, but this isn't like the josh beckett trade. Beckett was 25 when we got him, and Halladay will be going into the back end of his career shortly.

The other big issue that both the yanks/sox would have in acquiring him is that they don't have the pieces that toronto needs. The bluejays need a MLB ready SS and C. Neither the sox/yanks have that to trade. The blue jays strength is there young pitching.

The sox biggest need now is another bat. Now maybe they will get that if lowell stays healthy in the 2nd half (big if) and lowrie plays like he did in spring training. He was the best looking offensive player for the sox in spring training. The ball was popping off of his bat with authority. He played well last year (nothing great) but he did have a big bone chip removed from his wrist, that ortiz said was the size of pedroia. Gammons had him pegged for 45 doubles this season playing at home in fenway. That would be a huge plus to the back end of the order. The sox need to keep all pitching prospects to help them retool there team over the next couple of years. They will need a corner Inf, when lowell contract is done. They need a good young catcher. They will need to replace big pappi soon. They have 2 corner OF positions that may need to be filled if/when bay/drew leave over the next 2 seasons. Currently there farm system doesn't have anyone that can fill those voids in the next 2 seasons when most of the current players will be moving on. Yes lars anderson is supposed to be a big power threat, but he has played horrible this year in the minors, and he is only projected to be a 20homer guy. I am sorry, but I want more for a 1b considering jason bartlett of the rays is almost on pace for 20 homers this year.

I am surprised I haven't heard the angels aggressively pursuing him. They have a streak of 1st round playoff loss's, and they are fighting for there life against a very suprising texas rangers team. I thought the angels had a bunch of top tier prospects and several position player prospects.[/QUOTE]

If the rumors are to be believed, J.P. was told to shop Halladay by ownership due to a possible budget crunch. The idea being that they move Halladay and one of their large contracts with him. Which is why the Sox and Yanks are mentioned so much. Not sure there is any team in baseball (other than those two) that can take on Halladay's $14MM contract, let alone a second $10MM+ deal. The worst being the Vernon Wells contract, which might be the worst in baseball.
 
[quote name='paddlefoot']The Mets don't have much of value at the moment to make a worthwhile trade. Realistically, they should just keep the status quo and wait until Delgado, Beltran, Reyes, Maine, Putz, et al. are healthy.[/QUOTE]

Reyes and Maine are huge question marks of if and when they are returning. When they get the core of the team back it might be to late. I say trade veterans for young talent and start to build around your cornerstones. Build a new team around Wright, Reyes, and Santana, built for Citi Field.
 
Yankees continue to confirm what everyone else already knows. They can't beat good teams. Even if they do make the playoffs, I expect yet another first round exit.
 
So, I'm watching ESPNews...for some reason...and it says that Acta finally got fired. Or, at least, Manny Acta says he's been fire. Knowing how screwed up that franchise is, he'll be back after the break.
 
[quote name='speedracer']With great pleasure, I'd like to announce the Dodgers player of the week: Juan Uribe.[/QUOTE]

If a pitcher throws a no-hitter and he doesn't play for the Red Sox or Yankees......did it really ever happen?

Have fun with Randy Wolf bitch.
 
It's because Sanchez is a mediocre pitcher and he is not known outside of our division, even with a no hitter he won't be getting much press coverage unfortunately.
 
Randy Wolf IP114.2 Wins 4 Saves 0 Strikeouts 85 ERA: 3.45 WHIP 1.17 Salary: $5,000,000
Barry Zito IP106.0 Wins 5 Saves 0 Strikeouts 80 ERA: 5.01 WHIP 1.41 Salary: $18,000,000

wut?

Is there something to be unhappy about there? Over 100 IP at the break, a very respectable ERA for a guy that's not making much money, and he doesn't get a ton of run support. Heck, you're picking on a guy that's probably not even the third starter in the playoffs. And yes, the Giants have now passed the Dodgers in total team ERA. By 0.09 runs. What are the Giants scoring per game again? Dodgers are scoring 5, 2nd in the NL. Ya'll are tied with Houston, below Pittsburg (!?!) in runs scored.

Arguing with Yukine just didn't do it for me. Arizona's just not that interesting. Now the Giants, that's good times. And the Giants are juuuuuuuuuuuuust barely good enough to be worth the time to dog on now. :D
 
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Well that's just this season, last season things were really interesting between the Diamondbacks and Dodgers. But this is the NL West, where places switch in the standings every year... well except the Padres will usually always be in the basement. :lol:
 
The Padres were actually good for a few years up until last season. But fuck the Padres, anyway.

It's so crazy to me, seeing someone from my podunk central Illinois high school as an All-Star. Go Jayson Werth!
 
[quote name='speedracer']Randy Wolf IP114.2 Wins 4 Saves 0 Strikeouts 85 ERA: 3.45 WHIP 1.17 Salary: $5,000,000
Barry Zito IP106.0 Wins 5 Saves 0 Strikeouts 80 ERA: 5.01 WHIP 1.41 Salary: $18,000,000

wut?

Is there something to be unhappy about there? Over 100 IP at the break, a very respectable ERA for a guy that's not making much money, and he doesn't get a ton of run support. Heck, you're picking on a guy that's probably not even the third starter in the playoffs. And yes, the Giants have now passed the Dodgers in total team ERA. By 0.09 runs. What are the Giants scoring per game again? Dodgers are scoring 5, 2nd in the NL. Ya'll are tied with Houston, below Pittsburg (!?!) in runs scored.

Arguing with Yukine just didn't do it for me. Arizona's just not that interesting. Now the Giants, that's good times. And the Giants are juuuuuuuuuuuuust barely good enough to be worth the time to dog on now. :D[/QUOTE]

Imagine his mood once Bochy finally blows out Lincecum's elbow and Cain's shoulder.
 
[quote name='TheRock88']I dont know if the crowd was booing him cause he was wearing a Sox jacket or because of him.[/QUOTE]

More than likely the Jacket. Cardinal fans aren't exactly fond of Chicago baseball teams. Plus, who wants to see the president wearing an opposing team's jersey to throw out the first pitch.
 
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[quote name='Matt Young']The Padres were actually good for a few years up until last season. But fuck the Padres, anyway.

It's so crazy to me, seeing someone from my podunk central Illinois high school as an All-Star. Go Jayson Werth![/QUOTE]
Dude I'm from San Diego, they have always sucked and their fans like to talk shit without having anything to show for it... their players always came off as arrogant to me as well but whatever.

And Lincecum isn't looking so hot...
 
some nice plays and nice robbery by Crawford. I actually enjoyed watching this game but Im with the masses that this game shouldnt determine home field. The game was intense but i felt like the players werent having fun. It could just be me.
 
Home field should be determined by whoever has the best record. Fortunately, this stupid current system simply replaced an equally stupid system of alternating between leagues. So, doesn't really bother me.
 
[quote name='speedracer']+1 some other method of home field determination.

Fun game to watch. Nice choke, Howard.[/QUOTE]

I'm am astounded when pitchers throw Howard anything other than breaking balls in the dirt. Even "get me over" curveballs should suffice. The man shouldn't see another fastball for the rest of his career.
 
The right-hander signed a one-year contract with the Phillies on Wednesday and will be placed on the 15-day disabled list with a mild shoulder strain. It hasn't been decided when or where he will start a rehabilitiation assigment.

According to The Associated Press, Martinez has agreed to a $1 million, one-year contract.
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[quote name='paddlefoot']I'm am astounded when pitchers throw Howard anything other than breaking balls in the dirt. Even "get me over" curveballs should suffice. The man shouldn't see another fastball for the rest of his career.[/QUOTE]
After the 2nd strike, my wife turns to me and says "I bet he strikes out on a pitch that bounces in the dirt". I totally agree with you. Why he isn't fed a steady stream of cartoonish curveballs is beyond me. Maybe there's just not as many pitchers as I'd think with solid command of the curve.

FanGraphs has an interesting look at the the "luckiest" teams up to this point. They're rated by how many more or less wins than they should have. He includes his formulas.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/lucky-teams/

Astros 11
Giants 10
Phillies 10
Tigers 9
Reds 9
Angels 6
Brewers 6
Red Sox 6
Marlins 6
Rangers 3
Orioles 3
Cardinals 3
White Sox 2
Cubs 1
Mets 1
Dodgers 0
Mariners 0
Yankees -1
Padres -1
Rockies -2
Braves -3
Pirates -3
Twins -5
Athletics -5
Royals -5
Blue Jays -8
Diamondbacks -8
Rays -9
Indians -11
Nationals -19

I was surprised by the Nats, Mets, Padres, and Phillies. Sucks to be the Jays, Rays, and D-backs.
 
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[quote name='speedracer']After the 2nd strike, my wife turns to me and says "I bet he strikes out on a pitch that bounces in the dirt". I totally agree with you. Why he isn't fed a steady stream of cartoonish curveballs is beyond me. Maybe there's just not as many pitchers as I'd think with solid command of the curve.[/QUOTE]

McCarver must have repeated some form of "He's gonna try and strike him out with the high fastball" about 6 times after the second strike. Which may have been the ranks pretty damn high on the stupid things Tim McCarver has said in his broadcast career list. Nathan was walking the tight rope when he threw first one.

[quote name='speedracer']FanGraphs has an interesting look at the the "luckiest" teams up to this point. They're rated by how many more or less wins than they should have. He includes his formulas.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/lucky-teams/



I was surprised by the Nats, Mets, Padres, and Phillies. Sucks to be the Jays, Rays, and D-backs.[/QUOTE]

So the Braves should have a half game lead in the NL East over the Nationals? Consider me skeptical
 
That has to be the stupidest fuckin' thing i've ever witnessed.....and I saw Seth Green once try and Soulja Boy on a dance floor.

Giants haven't been lucky....we've been what we've been.....we lead the league in Shutouts.

Pitching = Excellent.

Offense = Sucks.
 
I misunderstood. The number is not how many games. That's his projection if the current trends continued out to a full 162 game season. At this point, I think it would be halved. Also, some are complaining about how he figured out strength of schedule.

And since you hate him phear, you definitely won't want to check out his explanation of just how devastating Lincecum's changeup is.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/lincecums-great-changeup/
 
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[quote name='speedracer']After the 2nd strike, my wife turns to me and says "I bet he strikes out on a pitch that bounces in the dirt". I totally agree with you. Why he isn't fed a steady stream of cartoonish curveballs is beyond me. Maybe there's just not as many pitchers as I'd think with solid command of the curve.

FanGraphs has an interesting look at the the "luckiest" teams up to this point. They're rated by how many more or less wins than they should have. He includes his formulas.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/lucky-teams/

Astros 11
Giants 10
Phillies 10
Tigers 9
Reds 9
Angels 6
Brewers 6
Red Sox 6
Marlins 6
Rangers 3
Orioles 3
Cardinals 3
White Sox 2
Cubs 1
Mets 1
Dodgers 0
Mariners 0
Yankees -1
Padres -1
Rockies -2
Braves -3
Pirates -3
Twins -5
Athletics -5
Royals -5
Blue Jays -8
Diamondbacks -8
Rays -9
Indians -11
Nationals -19

I was surprised by the Nats, Mets, Padres, and Phillies. Sucks to be the Jays, Rays, and D-backs.[/QUOTE]

its why Howard is always in the league leaders in SO.He just swings at anything but when he gets a fast ball...he crushes it.Other than that..i always thought the phillies biggest threat at the plate was Utley.

wow im surprised the mets have a positive. they have been sucking on and off throughout the past 2 decades. i guess due to this ...maybe 2006 was just lucky and the teams we see in 07 and 08 and now are just that bad. lol
 
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