2009 MLB Discussion Thread

Really awesome, congratulations Mark Buehrle and the White Sox.

And regarding the NL West, yeah I think the Rockies are playing too well for the Giants to be able to take the wild card spot back... but we'll see.

Also, I think so far Haren should win the Cy over Lincecum, his WHIP currently ranks third lowest in a single season in the history of the game at 0.80, and also has a 1.96 ERA.
 
I'm just jumping on the Omar love-in.

Omar Has Lost It
FanGraphs Baseball by Dave Cameron


Here’s the quote of the year.

“Right now we do not envision [being a seller],” Minaya said. “If we’re 6 ½ [back] in the wild card with a couple of teams in front of us, we are still kind of trying to find out how we can improve this team, if we can improve it through trades.”

Jose Reyes hasn’t played a game since mid-May. Ditto Carlos Delgado. Carlos Beltran has been on the shelf for the last month. John Maine and J.J. Putz slightly longer than that. But now, with his team 10 games out of first place and 7 1/2 games out of the top spot in the wild card, having just watched his team lose back to back games to the Washington Nationals, Omar Minaya thinks it might be time to get his roster some help.

Someone buy the man a fiddle, because he needs something to do while watching the burning rubble that is his personal overpriced Rome. During one of the great buyer’s markets of all time, Minaya paid through the nose for a bad starting pitcher and bullpen help, while neglecting the fact that there was no organizational depth beyond the starting position players. If any of them got hurt, it was going to get bad in a hurry, but that apparently didn’t need to be addressed in his spending spree over the winter.

Maybe the Mets didn’t deserve to have all these injuries strike at the same time, but the resulting collapse is directly due to a lack of planning on the part of the guy in charge. Minaya has never been very good at this whole General Manager thing, but 2009 is his Little Bighorn. If he actually thinks there’s a season left to salvage, he’s crazy. The Mets have something like a two percent chance of making the playoffs. The Pittsburgh Pirates are more likely to be playing baseball in October than the Mets are, and they’re in total sell-off mode.

There’s a bit of self-preservation going on here, of course. Minaya has earned his way into a lack of job security, contract extension or not. In a world where baseball teams are getting exponentially smarter, he refuses to catch up. Perhaps he sees the writing on the wall - his days as a major league GM are numbered. If he doesn’t get fired this winter, it will just delay the inevitable. He’s not one of the 30 most qualified people to be running a baseball team, and 2009 should seal his fate.

Sorry Omar, but if you wanted to save your season, the time to improve the roster was in May, not in July. You’re too late.
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[quote name='wildcpac']Plus he has dropped alot more in the OF than Swisher.[/QUOTE]

It's about the same. Swisher has five errors in right already this year. Don't remember how many were throwing, but I don't care. He also has an error at first. He stinks. The only reason he still even plays is because Matsui can't play the field. I can't wait for the Yankees send Swisher packing.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']Interesting the rays are very active in pursuing victor martinez and to a lesser extent cliff lee...

Allegedly, according to the projo writter, sean mcadams, the indians offered martinez straight up for buckholtz. Curt Schilling was on weei with mcadams and was saying that they have no place for martinez. I wholeheartly disagree. 2 days a wk at 1b (one give youk a day off, one for lowell) 2 days a week at catcher (varitek can't hit anymore and he is a horrible 2nd half hitter) and 2 days a week at DH ( sorry pappi thanks for the memories, but a .225 hitter is not needed at DH in the cleanup slot anymore.[/QUOTE]

Yeah Martinez would be the perfect fit for that team. They need some slugging with a struggling offense and the days rest should help in the long run. Just dont know if I would give up on a sure fire like Buchholz. He can be a dominant 3rd behind Lester and Beckket. Isnt Bucholz locked up for a couple more years while Martinez has only 1 year left on his deal. I would do the deal if Martinez agrees to a contract extension. I think its just a minor foible that the sox are struggling. I mean Bay's average has dropped what....nearly 60 points? I think once august hits, that team should be gaining steam. They also need to do something with JD Drew. He has been horrendus.

[quote name='speedracer']I'm just jumping on the Omar love-in.[/QUOTE]

HAHA oh man i died when i read that. Its dam true too. Omar was far too late in making moves and now he is piloting a sinking ship. Everything coming out of his mouth is straight up rubbish.

oh yeah and Castro must be happy right now. He caught a perfect game and he is on a winning organization. he probably threw a party when he was traded. I surely would have.
 
[quote name='yukine']Also, I think so far Haren should win the Cy over Lincecum, his WHIP currently ranks third lowest in a single season in the history of the game at 0.80, and also has a 1.96 ERA.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. Haren is untouchable this year, even by Orel Hershie... err, Lincecum.

Most interesting stuff from FanGraphs:
I’d like to take this space to make an appeal to Andrew Friedman - please, go for it. You have a really good team (the best run differential in the American League, even) filled with young talent, and you got Tampa excited about baseball with a World Series run last year. Your team currently stands 4 1/2 games out of first place in the AL East and 3 1/2 games out of the top spot in the wild card standings. You’re a contender. You just need to upgrade your starting rotation.

Thankfully, there’s this guy named Cliff Lee who the Indians would be willing to part with for the right offer. He’s really good, and he’s not just a rental player - he’d help you in 2009 and 2010. You have a remarkably deep farm system, overflowing with talented guys you don’t have room for. You have guys like Reid Brignac, Matt Joyce, Wade Davis, and now Jeremy Hellickson in Triple-A. You have Willy Aybar on the bench. Your outfield is overcrowded, but someone is going to have to go to make room for Desmond Jennings eventually. You have talent to spare.

Your team is interesting and fun to watch, and better than those two things, they aren’t the Yankees or Red Sox.

Last year’s postseason was a breath of fresh air, because we didn’t have the same old series we’ve been having over and over again all decade. With the Angels pulling away in the AL West, and the two titans of payroll currently in line for playoff spots, we’re dangerously close to getting the same AL playoff series’ we’ve seen 100 times already. As a baseball fan, I’m simply asking that you give me the chance for a more interesting October.

Call up Mark Shapiro and blow him away with an offer. Stick Lee in front of Shields, Garza, Price/Kazmir, and Niemann and run down the big boys. You have talent coming out of your ears, and a real shot at winning the World Series this year. I know you love Wade Davis, but you can live without him - you have 18 other pitchers who could take his place in future seasons.

For the good of baseball, give us another post-season free of either Boston or New York.
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[quote name='yukine']Really awesome, congratulations Mark Buehrle and the White Sox.

And regarding the NL West, yeah I think the Rockies are playing too well for the Giants to be able to take the wild card spot back... but we'll see.

Also, I think so far Haren should win the Cy over Lincecum, his WHIP currently ranks third lowest in a single season in the history of the game at 0.80, and also has a 1.96 ERA.[/QUOTE]

I'm still shocked how the Rockies are doing it......Giants 1 GB in the Wild Card......if we can take 2/3 that'd be great.......

I'll agree with Haren SHOULD win it....but due to ESPN/Media not even knowing who Dan Haren is.....I don't think he'll win it.
 
ESPN is reporting its a done deal.

Matt Holliday going to the Cards for prospects Brett Wallace, Shane Peterson, and Clay Mortensen.
 
[quote name='TheRock88']ESPN is reporting its a done deal.

Matt Holliday going to the Cards for prospects Brett Wallace, Shane Peterson, and Clay Mortensen.[/QUOTE]
Wallace is a top 25 prospect. I sure hope Holliday continues streaking upwards for the Cards' sake.
 
Billy Beane just got Brett Wallace AND two prospects for 2 months of Matt Holliday!!!!

Someone needs to take a rape kit to John Mozeliak's office ASAP
 
Just saw on the back page of the Daily News today that Omar might actually be in trouble, now! Yay for you Met fans. I figured he would have to kill someone on the field to actually be in risk of losing his job.

EDIT: Forgot to add that the rumor is the Yankees contacted the Tribe about Lee, but the Indians want a package that includes, at least, Joba or Hughes. As a Yankee fan, I don't have an issue with that. If we are giving up either of those, I want Halladay, which isn't gonna happen. No offense to Lee. He's a Cy Young Award winner, so he's obviously very good, but he's not Halladay.
 
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The team across the bay is such a joke......

So they went from....

Dan Haren (top 3 pitcher in baseball)-------Carlos Gonzales (who?)-----Matt Holliday--------Brett Wallace (an overrated prospect who's going to move to 1B due to shitty footwork)

So Dan Haren for Brett Wallace?

Yeah....Billy Beane's a genius.
 
[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']Just saw on the back page of the Daily News today that Omar might actually be in trouble, now! Yay for you Met fans. I figured he would have to kill someone on the field to actually be in risk of losing his job.

EDIT: Forgot to add that the rumor is the Yankees contacted the Tribe about Lee, but the Indians want a package that includes, at least, Joba or Hughes. As a Yankee fan, I don't have an issue with that. If we are giving up either of those, I want Halladay, which isn't gonna happen. No offense to Lee. He's a Cy Young Award winner, so he's obviously very good, but he's not Halladay.[/QUOTE]


WHOO HOO. Please tell me it will happen. I hope it isnt a tease!

I would do it for Lee. I dont think they can get Halladay. The price would just be wayyyy too much...but if its either Joba or Hughes plus prospects for Lee...ill do it. HE is going to be cheaper and he will be the most dominant 3 guy in the league.
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']The team across the bay is such a joke......

So they went from....

Dan Haren (top 3 pitcher in baseball)-------Carlos Gonzales (who?)-----Matt Holliday--------Brett Wallace (an overrated prospect who's going to move to 1B due to shitty footwork)

So Dan Haren for Brett Wallace?

Yeah....Billy Beane's a genius.[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't go that far dude. In a vacuum it looks bad. But in this trade he did well. Turning 2 months of Matt Holliday into Brett Wallace is a great move. Even if he has to move to 1st.

In other news, Bartolo Colon is back on the mound. The man has his own center of gravity.
 
[quote name='paddlefoot']I wouldn't go that far dude. In a vacuum it looks bad. But in this trade he did well. Turning 2 months of Matt Holliday into Brett Wallace is a great move. Even if he has to move to 1st.

In other news, Bartolo Colon is back on the mound. The man has his own center of gravity.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, and all they got to show for that is a blown World Series.
 
Here's the only problem with trading Joba or Hughes for Lee. They already balked at trading one of them in a package for Santana. Santana is better than Lee. So, if you already blew that, you shouldn't now give up on them, especially now that Joba is finally stringing together some good starts and Hughes looks dominant in the bullpen.
 
[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']Here's the only problem with trading Joba or Hughes for Lee. They already balked at trading one of them in a package for Santana. Santana is better than Lee. So, if you already blew that, you shouldn't now give up on them, especially now that Joba is finally stringing together some good starts and Hughes looks dominant in the bullpen.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, right now I wouldn't trade Joba or Hughes for anything less than a top 3 pitcher under the age of 30. That limits the list to the likes of Haren, Lincecum, or Cain. Sure, neither Joba or Hughes have really established themselves yet, but they're also beyond prospects at this point.

You're talking about two guys who are on the cusp of breaking out, both of whom have very high ceilings. When you start progressing further down the list of top pitchers to guys like Lee or Buehrle or Felix Hernandez...or even Verlander, I don't think you can say Joba or Hughes can't perform to that level. Hughes is younger than all of those guys and Joba is only a few months older than Hernandez...so what would you really be gaining?

With Halladay, it's obvious. He's the best pitcher in baseball and deserves to have a couple rings already. But at 32, I don't feel he'd make a big enough of a difference to warrant mortgaging the future for. To be honest, for the first time in years, I finally feel like the Yankee pitching staff is solid. If anything, the Yanks could use another bat off the bench, although Hinske has been a nice pickup thus far. It's just too bad Nady wasn't able to come back. He would have really added some punch. As is though, the Yanks are rolling.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']Yeah, right now I wouldn't trade Joba or Hughes for anything less than a top 3 pitcher under the age of 30. That limits the list to the likes of Haren, Lincecum, or Cain. Sure, neither Joba or Hughes have really established themselves yet, but they're also beyond prospects at this point.

You're talking about two guys who are on the cusp of breaking out, both of whom have very high ceilings. When you start progressing further down the list of top pitchers to guys like Lee or Buehrle or Felix Hernandez...or even Verlander, I don't think you can say Joba or Hughes can't perform to that level. Hughes is younger than all of those guys and Joba is only a few months older than Hernandez...so what would you really be gaining?

With Halladay, it's obvious. He's the best pitcher in baseball and deserves to have a couple rings already. But at 32, I don't feel he'd make a big enough of a difference to warrant mortgaging the future for. To be honest, for the first time in years, I finally feel like the Yankee pitching staff is solid. If anything, the Yanks could use another bat off the bench, although Hinske has been a nice pickup thus far. It's just too bad Nady wasn't able to come back. He would have really added some punch. As is though, the Yanks are rolling.[/QUOTE]

Just like it was a great idea not to trade Phil Hughes and that AAA guy for Johan Santana......

Giants tied with the Rockies......SELL SABEAN
 
[quote name='ph33r m3']Just like it was a great idea not to trade Phil Hughes and that AAA guy for Johan Santana......[/QUOTE]

It wasn't. If the Yankees had gotten Santana, they wouldn't have gotten Sabathia this year. What greater benefit is Santana giving the Mets? Johan has a 1.19 WHIP while CC is sporting a 1.16. So, the Yankees got arguably just as good a pitcher, without having to give up any prospects. I would make that same decision 100 times over.

On that topic, after getting his first career save last night, Hughes has thrown 22 consecutive scoreless innings. And Joba just threw 7 innings of 2 hit ball tonight. I'd say the kids are all right.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']It wasn't. If the Yankees had gotten Santana, they wouldn't have gotten Sabathia this year.[/QUOTE]

Nah, Burnett would be the odd man out.

For the record, Burnett's WHIP is 1.40
 
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[quote name='paddlefoot']Nah, Burnett would be the odd man out.

For the record, Burnett's WHIP is 1.40[/QUOTE]

No way in hell would the Yankees have pursued Sabathia as aggressively if they already had Santana. He would have gone to the Angels for less money.
 
[quote name='paddlefoot']Nah, Burnett would be the odd man out.

For the record, Burnett's WHIP is 1.40[/QUOTE]


AJ might have a crappy whip due to his bad start. He has been pretty dominant (knock on wood) his last 10 starts. I believe his era is around 2.40 during that stretch.
 
[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']Just saw on the back page of the Daily News today that Omar might actually be in trouble, now! Yay for you Met fans. I figured he would have to kill someone on the field to actually be in risk of losing his job.[/QUOTE]

Please please be true.
 
I think it's pretty safe to say that, if the Yankees had gotten Santana, CC would definitely not be in pinstripes. The Yankees had no choice but to get CC this offseason, due to the fact that they didn't make the playoffs last year, the rotation was a mess, and they lacked a true ace. If Santana had come, that would not have been the case, and they would not have needed to pursue CC so aggressively.

And yeah, Burnett's WHIP is a bit high, but it generally is. He walks a lot of guys. It's just the kind of pitcher he is. He's still having a very good season, though, so I'll live with the wildness.
 
I don't know. It's beginning to look like I might be right, and Halladay won't be moved. Reports are the Phils don't wanna give up what the Jays want. Either JP is gonna have to come down on what's he asking for, or else the Doc ain't crossing the border anytime soon.
 
As much as I would like cliff lee, I wouldn't trust him playing in boston or ny. He already mentally broke in clev 2 years back. I wouldn't trust him dealing with the media pressure that is thrown on ny/Boston players.

As for trading jobba, if I was getting a stud pitcher in return I would do it in a heartbeat. He is a tad above mediocre as a starter. He is roughly a 5 ip guy. Dominating the A's doesn't mean shit. IMO he should be the 8th inn guy with the plan to replace mo at some point. I also seriously question his durability longterm. Arm injuries in college and the pro's pretty much every season so far.
 
Cleveland offered Victor Martinez for Clay Buchholz straight up, the Sox turned it down. Sounds attractive on the surface, but Martinez is only a part time catcher and will be just another 1B/DH soon. Look at his splits, .251/.332/.709 in 51 games at C, .333/.417/.967 in 45 games at 1B.

Tazawa just got promoted to AAA, didn't take him long. I think he'll pitch in the majors before Matsuzaka does again.
 
Did you catch how Omar tried to throw Adam Rubin, the beat writer for the Daily News, under the bus? That's some bullshit. I don't know if it's true or not if Rubin was actually lobbying for a job with the Mets...he claims he just asked for career advise. Either way, this whole situation stinks even more now. It's like one step forward, two steps back for that organization. Omar gets rid of that bum, but he makes himself look even worse than before.
 
[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']Did you catch how Omar tried to throw Adam Rubin, the beat writer for the Daily News, under the bus? That's some bullshit. I don't know if it's true or not if Rubin was actually lobbying for a job with the Mets...he claims he just asked for career advise. Either way, this whole situation stinks even more now. It's like one step forward, two steps back for that organization. Omar gets rid of that bum, but he makes himself look even worse than before.[/QUOTE]

yeah i watched the whole thing. Its funny when you see Omar mad and getting called out. I think calling out Rubin was a cop out on Omar's part. He didn't have to air that out. He should know better than that. The conference was about firing a prick. Its funny how his sole reason why he fired bernazard was because of Rubin's reporting. So is there a reason why we have the 3 worst minor league teams in each league, a reason why Carlos Delgado signed with Florida and not us, celebrating foolishy when Willie got axed...and those weren't signs enough to fire him? The fighting was the icing on the cake. I hope he gets axed at the end of the season. This team needs to start fresh.

and John Heymen came up with a good point. Adam Rubin would have to start somewhere because no one goes from Beat Writer to VP of Player Development in one shot.
 
Rubin was also the one voice in the NY papers that denied that Omar and Jerry are safe beyond this season. Remember, Omar basically came out and said that they have the confidence of the organization. No one actually collaborated that, though. So, that, coupled with getting the other moron fired, must have really pissed off Omar.

I think it's become very clear that Omar has no issue with lying to make himself look better. He lied left, right, and center about the whole Willie situation last year. He likely lied about the vote confidence. He lied about balking at a deal for Halladay. And if you believe Rubin (Wilpon basically said Rubin, indeed, only asked for career advice and never inquired about a job with the organization), he lied about this shit as well. What an ass.
 
They should make a rock opera about the Mets. Put it to the Tommy album or something.

I wish Youkilis would start hitting the ball again. I picked him up in a big trade with him as the centerpiece. Orlando Hudson has been great as a fill in for Cano (one of many I traded away in that package), but I need more from Youks. If I hadn't gotten Vazquez as a toss in from the other guy, that trade would have been an epic disaster.
 
Sox have offered Buchholz, Bowden, and Ryan Westmoreland for Halladay. Toronto wants Casey Kelley in the deal (08 1st round pick) but the Sox said no.

Pretty solid offer for Halladay.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']Sox have offered Buchholz, Bowden, and Ryan Westmoreland for Halladay. Toronto wants Casey Kelley in the deal (08 1st round pick) but the Sox said no.

Pretty solid offer for Halladay.[/QUOTE]


It isn't better than the Philies offer and Toronto has gone on record for wanting a much better offer from the Yankees/Sox to trade Roy in division.
 
[quote name='wildcpac']It isn't better than the Philies offer and Toronto has gone on record for wanting a much better offer from the Yankees/Sox to trade Roy in division.[/QUOTE]
What did the Phillies offer? Buchholz and Bowden are two top pitching prospects that are close to major league ready. Westmoreland is still in single A but he's well regarded, very high ceiling. He'd have been a 1st round pick if not for signability issues (he had a full scholarship to Vanderbilt).
 
Been saying for awhile that the Mets simply cannot fold up shop, and they are showing why. Only 6.5 out of the wild card, and they are beating the Rockies again tonight. If they win tonight, they will only be 5 out on the loss side. Omar must try to make a move or two that can sure up that squad. If just one of the injured stars can come back and make a significant contribution, you're suddenly looking at a very dangerous team, in my opinion, especially in a short series with Santana getting thrown at you.
 
[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']Been saying for awhile that the Mets simply cannot fold up shop, and they are showing why. Only 6.5 out of the wild card, and they are beating the Rockies again tonight. If they win tonight, they will only be 5 out on the loss side. Omar must try to make a move or two that can sure up that squad. If just one of the injured stars can come back and make a significant contribution, you're suddenly looking at a very dangerous team, in my opinion, especially in a short series with Santana getting thrown at you.[/QUOTE]


The Mets also have about 7 teams also ahead of them.

For those who are able to watch the Twins/White Sox game. Turn it on now. I do not want to ruin/jinx anything. A certain pitcher has set the record for the most batters retired in a row with 43 and has been per$$$$ through 5 so far tonight.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']Sox have offered Buchholz, Bowden, and Ryan Westmoreland for Halladay. Toronto wants Casey Kelley in the deal (08 1st round pick) but the Sox said no.

Pretty solid offer for Halladay.[/QUOTE]

Shortly after that was reported by yahoo, gammons texted the big show on weei and said westmorland was untouchable.

Yahoo has since edited the story and stated the sox offered buckholtz, and either bowden or Lars Anderson as well as a mid level prospect. That offer is better then the phils as the phils won't include drabek. On paper according to scouts if the phils included drabek it would be similiar to the sox current offer.

As for the phils trading happ, it makes no sense to me. He is currently the phils best pitcher. IMO, if i wanted to make my team win the WS again this year I would want a rotation with halliday, hammels AND happ.
 
[quote name='wildcpac']It isn't better than the Philies offer and Toronto has gone on record for wanting a much better offer from the Yankees/Sox to trade Roy in division.[/QUOTE]

The difference between what Toronto requested from the Phils and the counter-offer was night and day.
 
[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']Been saying for awhile that the Mets simply cannot fold up shop, and they are showing why. Only 6.5 out of the wild card, and they are beating the Rockies again tonight. If they win tonight, they will only be 5 out on the loss side. Omar must try to make a move or two that can sure up that squad. If just one of the injured stars can come back and make a significant contribution, you're suddenly looking at a very dangerous team, in my opinion, especially in a short series with Santana getting thrown at you.[/QUOTE]

no doubt they can't. But we still have to see how St.Louis,Chicago,Florida,Houston, and Atlanta do. The tailend of august is where its going to be critical...where they have series against all these teams minus houston. Well 2 game set at St.Louis in the 2nd week. They need to keep up the steam but lets see how the finish at colorado and arizona.

I dont think the Mets have much to trade. Their farm is barren and their top prospect(F-Mart) is hurt. Its going to have to be a bunch of Francouer like deals. But even in that. who do the mets give up and for who? Garko cost the giants a good level prospect and he is just mediocre.

I am liking ownership's reaction towards Omar. Finally, Jeff Wilpon speaks out and is disgusted with the direction of the team. It's something i have been wanting to hear for a long time. one foot should be out the door already.
 
[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']So? It's a bunch of mediocre teams, just like them.[/QUOTE]


I am sorry but that is not true. Maybe if Reyes, Beltran and Delgado come back and are able to help the team out it would be a different story. The Mets do have a chance if they all come back and contribute but I wouldn't go counting on the Mets to win the Wild Card especially when there are 7 other teams ahead of them. 8 if you want to count the Cardinals who have a .5 game lead in the Central.

I think the Phillies and Red Sox offer to the Blue Jays are pretty equal so far. Here is the main difference. If you are the Blue Jays do you want to trade Roy to another team in your division. Giving the Red Sox Halladay is going to give that team a 90 percent chance of making the playoffs either as the WC or Division Winner for the life of that contract. Lets also no forget that you are going to have to face Roy 4-6 times during the season including him making starts in Toronto for the Sox.

The Yankees corner OF defense is the worst in all of baseball. I rather watch the Bad News Bears than have to suffer watching Damon and Swisher. Damon has zero range and a noodle for an arm. Players are able to turning singles into doubles all of the time on him. Swisher is just a joke out there. He was getting turned around on fly balls, dropping catches, letting balls get by him. Last night was a nightmare.

As a Yankee fan. I want to thank the Red Sox bullpen (DMC, Papelbum and Chokeajima) for blowing a 6-2 lead late over the A's.
 
[quote name='integralsmatic']
I am liking ownership's reaction towards Omar. Finally, Jeff Wilpon speaks out and is disgusted with the direction of the team. It's something i have been wanting to hear for a long time. one foot should be out the door already.[/QUOTE]


Omar is out as gm unless the team somehow finally makes the playoffs. I do not picture any other team hiring him as a gm. This is his last chance.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']Shortly after that was reported by yahoo, gammons texted the big show on weei and said westmorland was untouchable.

Yahoo has since edited the story and stated the sox offered buckholtz, and either bowden or Lars Anderson as well as a mid level prospect. That offer is better then the phils as the phils won't include drabek. On paper according to scouts if the phils included drabek it would be similiar to the sox current offer.

As for the phils trading happ, it makes no sense to me. He is currently the phils best pitcher. IMO, if i wanted to make my team win the WS again this year I would want a rotation with halliday, hammels AND happ.[/QUOTE]
Gordon Edes changed his report to Buchholz, and a choice of Bowden, Masterson, or Lars Anderson as the 2nd player, plus another guy.

I have to think that the Yankees will get in on this now that Wang is out for the year.
 
Looks the Phils are likely gonna get Lee. Three Indian scouts were present at the Phils' Triple-A game today, and Carrasco was scratched from his start in the game.
 
My Cardinals seem to be having so much more fun now that Holliday, Derosa and Lugo are there. Even though I felt a little remorseful that Chris Duncan was traded...Im glad. He was so mopey and overmatched the last couple years at bat. I'm just happy that FINALLY the Cards make some deals at the deadline...and hopefully this shows Pujols that they are committed to winning and they can sign him to a long extension.

If I ever see Pujols wearing pinstripes or a "B" on his cap I will puke.
 
Lee to the Phillies is being reported as official pending medical reviews. The Phillies were able to get him for 4 minor leaguers and Drabek wasn't included.
 
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