44% of Republicans Believe "Armed Revolution is Necessary"

[quote name='usickenme']It's more than education, it's also who controls the information and what people want to do with it.

Lets say I don't want pesticides in my food but I don't want regulation. So I have to rely on farms, food companies, grocers to give me that information and not lie. I also have to research every possible pesticide to figure out if any are okay. Then I have to hope that research is honest. It's not as simple as "gimme the informational and let me decide"

If I'm like most Americans ill just say fuck it, let me eat the poison as long as my tomatoes are bright red. Which would be fine if I was the only person affected.

The irony is that for a completely libertarian society to actually work we'd have to think more like collectivists[/QUOTE]

I don't think I meant a completely libertarian society. I am perfectly ok with laws that are effective. It is the so called "common sense" laws that prohibit 99.999% of people from doing something that isn't negative on the off chance the .001% remaining could use it in a negative way. Those aggravate me because they do not do anything.
 
[quote name='Purple Flames']You already know the answer to this question: The only rights these people care about protecting are those of white heterosexual Christian males (i.e. themselves). Those time they actually wanna take up arms against what they view as a corrupt government is when the status quo is threatened.[/QUOTE]
Pretty much. If a similarly angry group of black people formed a pseudo political party and started espousing the need to bear arms in case white people decided to enslave them again, you think the tea party knuckleheads would have their back? Fuuuuck no. What people like that are really saying is that THEY have to the right to bear arms, they being people like them.

I'm just thankful that nothing like that has actually happened. Crazy ass crackers and their gun fetish...
 
[quote name='Clak']Pretty much. If a similarly angry group of black people formed a pseudo political party and started espousing the need to bear arms in case white people decided to enslave them again, you think the tea party knuckleheads would have their back? Fuuuuck no. What people like that are really saying is that THEY have to the right to bear arms, they being people like them.

I'm just thankful that nothing like that has actually happened. Crazy ass crackers and their gun fetish...[/QUOTE]

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[quote name='Clak']Pretty much. If a similarly angry group of black people formed a pseudo political party and started espousing the need to bear arms in case white people decided to enslave them again, you think the tea party knuckleheads would have their back? Fuuuuck no. What people like that are really saying is that THEY have to the right to bear arms, they being people like them.

I'm just thankful that nothing like that has actually happened. Crazy ass crackers and their gun fetish...[/QUOTE]

Slavery proves that our gov't can be tyrannical and that we should have protection from it. The gov't was the entity who made and kept it legal. You really think that if a debate about infringing on the 13th Amendment was ongoing like the 2nd amendment debate, that the Tea party would be in favor of gun control and bans? Defense of rights given by the Constitution and its Amendments should be easy. The gov't should just read what it already past. :roll: The Patriot Act, gun control, etc should be the least of our worries because explicit language already forbade them. You also know that a ton of WHITE abolitionist gave their lives to force the GOV'T to end slavery, right? Owning a gun and being a racist redneck CAN be mutually exclusive. That's a nice bit of stereotyping by you there though. Tell me again how I'm racist because I point out that 13% of a population using 33% of welfare is out of whack.:roll:

To wrap this little rant up, blacks should have guns if they want them, ALL responsible, law abiding US citizens should have guns if they want them. In your scenario, the gov't would be the enemy, not whites. The gov't would be the tyrannical entity enforcing slavery, like it already has done. The 2nd Amendment would then be used as it was intended. I think Clak has me on ignore:lol:, so this will probably never penetrate his "echochamber"....
 
Actually that probably would work. Get a bunch of arab people (or just people from the general area of the world, doesn't really matter) to start espousing views similar to that of the tea party. Before long, buying a gun will damn near impossible.
 
Huey had some great 2nd Amendment quotes:

“Any unarmed people are slaves, or are subject to slavery at any given moment.”


“There's no reason for the establishment to fear me. But it has every right to fear the people collectively - I am one with the people.”

“Sometimes if you want to get rid of the gun, you have to pick the gun up.”

You should have the right to your gun until you prove your inability to obey the law.
 
Those are great quotes from a black panther to use to argue against people who wish to take away your guns.

So be ready to use them when people who actually make that argument show up.
 
[quote name='egofed']Slavery proves that our gov't can be tyrannical and that we should have protection from it. The gov't was the entity who made and kept it legal. You really think that if a debate about infringing on the 13th Amendment was ongoing like the 2nd amendment debate, that the Tea party would be in favor of gun control and bans? Defense of rights given by the Constitution and its Amendments should be easy. The gov't should just read what it already past. :roll: The Patriot Act, gun control, etc should be the least of our worries because explicit language already forbade them. You also know that a ton of WHITE abolitionist gave their lives to force the GOV'T to end slavery, right? Owning a gun and being a racist redneck CAN be mutually exclusive. That's a nice bit of stereotyping by you there though. Tell me again how I'm racist because I point out that 13% of a population using 33% of welfare is out of whack.:roll:

To wrap this little rant up, blacks should have guns if they want them, ALL responsible, law abiding US citizens should have guns if they want them. In your scenario, the gov't would be the enemy, not whites. The gov't would be the tyrannical entity enforcing slavery, like it already has done. The 2nd Amendment would then be used as it was intended. I think Clak has me on ignore:lol:, so this will probably never penetrate his "echochamber"....[/QUOTE]

Sure the gov't may have maintain slavery, but when the gov't tried to ABOLISH it, it didn't go well with certain white folks..

Farkin A .... There is a town in Georgia who still hold segregated proms..
 
I think the first thing we need is to start setting up minorities gun shows, where groups of blacks, latinos, and "muslim" looking men, go in and buy shitloads of guns...

Lets see how supportive of gun rights, those states will be then. You can shut anything down when racism is institutionalized.
 
[quote name='Finger_Shocker']Sure the gov't may have maintain slavery, but when the gov't tried to ABOLISH it, it didn't go well with certain white folks..

Farkin A .... There is a town in Georgia who still hold segregated proms..[/QUOTE]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/27/u...ts-step-up-to-offer-integrated-prom.html?_r=0


"But locally, the separate proms have defenders. White residents said members of the two races had different tastes in music and dancing, and different traditions: the junior class plans the white prom, and the senior class plans the black prom.
Wayne McGuinty, a furniture store owner and City Council member, who is white, said he had donated to fund-raising events for both proms in past years and saw no problem with separate proms. They do not reflect racism, he said, but simply different traditions and tastes. When he was a senior in high school, in the 1970s, he said, there were separate proms for those who liked rock music and country music."


The segregated proms were paid for with private money. Should this be allowed to be banned? Hip-hop/rap versus rock/country instead of black versus white. Are some people on both side racists? Hell yeah, but is gov't force applied to private citizens actions the way to foster racial harmony?
 
[quote name='egofed']They do not reflect racism, he said, but simply different traditions and tastes. [/QUOTE]

Yeah, just like black people and white people learn differently so they need different schools or how drink from the fountain differently or how they like to sit in different parts of the bus... :roll:
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Yeah, just like black people and white people learn differently so they need different schools or how drink from the fountain differently or how they like to sit in different parts of the bus... :roll:[/QUOTE]


You don't think that there is a difference between white and black culture and/or preferred music? The prom is meant for fun, so if you hate rap or country music, do you really want to go to one that has a DJ playing that form of music exclusively? If private money is used, then let people do what they want. Public funds are a different matter. Brain based research shows that people do learn differently, not along racial lines but how their brains are "wired". So are "one size fits all" education style is not the most effective.
 
[quote name='egofed']You don't think that there is a difference between white and black culture and/or preferred music? The prom is meant for fun, so if you hate rap or country music, do you really want to go to one that has a DJ playing that form of music exclusively? If private money is used, then let people do what they want. Public funds are a different matter. Brain based research shows that people do learn differently, not along racial lines but how their brains are "wired". So are "one size fits all" education style is not the most effective.[/QUOTE]

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Someone need to tell these guys to stop trying to be BLACK.....:applause:
 
[quote name='egofed']You don't think that there is a difference between white and black culture and/or preferred music? The prom is meant for fun, so if you hate rap or country music, do you really want to go to one that has a DJ playing that form of music exclusively? If private money is used, then let people do what they want. Public funds are a different matter. Brain based research shows that people do learn differently, not along racial lines but how their brains are "wired". So are "one size fits all" education style is not the most effective.[/QUOTE]

You know, I could go on and on but at the end of the day the majority opinion for Brown v. Board of Education says it all better than I could anyway.

Public, private funds don't matter either. Public funds aren't involved in a rental agreement but they're still subject to discrimination under the Civil Rights and Fair Housing Acts. Furthermore, even if the event itself is privately funded it is still inescapably tied to public schooling. Hell, even if this was a completely private school it would be wrong.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']You know, I could go on and on but at the end of the day the majority opinion for Brown v. Board of Education says it all better than I could anyway.

Public, private funds don't matter either. Public funds aren't involved in a rental agreement but they're still subject to discrimination under the Civil Rights and Fair Housing Acts. Furthermore, even if the event itself is privately funded it is still inescapably tied to public schooling. Hell, even if this was a completely private school it would be wrong.[/QUOTE]

So if I am in high school and decide to throw a party not on school grounds, not paid for with public money, and make it invitation only, then you feel the gov't has the right to step in? I might agree with you a little if you are making a moral versus legal statement, but, even then, you should be able to invite who you want. Now if they are using the public school facilities and excluding students, then I have a big problem. Racial relations are slowly getting better as people date and fall in love. Eventually I think we will all truly be color blind, but a gov't enforced "you will embrace who we tell you to embrace" policy will only hinder the process. Bitterness and resentment on all sides will occur. This story proves that, given time, the better part of humanity comes forward without gov't intervention. I still feel sorry for those kids who were forced to dance to hip-hop/country.;)
 
[quote name='egofed']So if I am in high school and decide to throw a party not on school grounds, not paid for with public money, and make it invitation only, then you feel the gov't has the right to step in? I might agree with you a little if you are making a moral versus legal statement, but, even then, you should be able to invite who you want. Now if they are using the public school facilities and excluding students, then I have a big problem. Racial relations are slowly getting better as people date and fall in love. Eventually I think we will all truly be color blind, but a gov't enforced "you will embrace who we tell you to embrace" policy will only hinder the process. Bitterness and resentment on all sides will occur. This story proves that, given time, the better part of humanity comes forward without gov't intervention. I still feel sorry for those kids who were forced to dance to hip-hop/country.;)[/QUOTE]
Don't know how permits work, eh?

As for desegregation, that social experiment worked just fine for the military.
 
[quote name='dohdough']Don't know how permits work, eh?

As for desegregation, that social experiment worked just fine for the military.[/QUOTE]

Don't know the difference between public and private funds, eh?:roll:
 
[quote name='egofed']Don't know the difference between public and private funds, eh?:roll:[/QUOTE]
Context matters. And :roll: right back atcha.
 
Goes right back to the "We're not racist, we just think we should be able to tell *insert minority here* to fuck off if we want" argument. It's racism cloaked in "mah freedoms!!" language.

Either way, I don't hear too many tea party types using slavery as an example for why we need guns. Doesn't take a genius to figure out why.
 
[quote name='Clak']Goes right back to the "We're not racist, we just think we should be able to tell *insert minority here* to fuck off if we want" argument. It's racism cloaked in "mah freedoms!!" language.

Either way, I don't hear too many tea party types using slavery as an example for why we need guns. Doesn't take a genius to figure out why.[/QUOTE]

No no no. They're not racist because they don't hate black people; they just don't like black culture.
 
[quote name='Clak']Goes right back to the "We're not racist, we just think we should be able to tell *insert minority here* to fuck off if we want" argument. It's racism cloaked in "mah freedoms!!" language.

Either way, I don't hear too many tea party types using slavery as an example for why we need guns. Doesn't take a genius to figure out why.[/QUOTE]

Next time you throw a party, you better invite us freedom lovers. If you don't then I will tell the government that you discriminate.
 
[quote name='Clak']Goes right back to the "We're not racist, we just think we should be able to tell *insert minority here* to fuck off if we want" argument. It's racism cloaked in "mah freedoms!!" language.

Either way, I don't hear too many tea party types using slavery as an example for why we need guns. Doesn't take a genius to figure out why.[/QUOTE]

Next time you throw a party, invite us freedom lovers. If you don't then I will tell the government that you discriminate.
[quote name='dohdough']No no no. They're not racist because they don't hate black people; they just don't like black culture.[/QUOTE]

Do you have sexual intercourse with men? No, why you hate on gays man?
 
[quote name='mrsilkunderwear']Next time you throw a party, invite us freedom lovers. If you don't then I will tell the government that you discriminate.[/QUOTE]
Not inviting someone because they're a moron and an asshole isn't the same as not inviting someone because of the color of their skin.
 
[quote name='mrsilkunderwear']Do you have sexual intercourse with men? No, why you hate on gays man?[/QUOTE]

When did I ever say that I thought gay people were culturally inferior? Nice try justifying racism with a false equivalence wrapped in a strawman though. I also find your tokenism reprehensible when you probably don't even give a shit about LGBT issues.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Not inviting someone because they're a moron and an asshole isn't the same as not inviting someone because of the color of their skin.[/QUOTE]

Therefore I assume your off the guest list?
[quote name='dohdough']When did I ever say that I thought gay people were culturally inferior? Nice try justifying racism with a false equivalence wrapped in a strawman though. I also find your tokenism reprehensible when you probably don't even give a shit about LGBT issues.[/QUOTE]

No, I am just using your logic. I think your straight therefore I asked you if you have sex with gay men. I am sure you would have said no therefore I am using your logic, I can deduce that you do not like gay lifestyle.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Not inviting someone because they're a moron and an asshole isn't the same as not inviting someone because of the color of their skin.[/QUOTE]

I assume your off the guest list then?
[quote name='dohdough']When did I ever say that I thought gay people were culturally inferior? Nice try justifying racism with a false equivalence wrapped in a strawman though. I also find your tokenism reprehensible when you probably don't even give a shit about LGBT issues.[/QUOTE]
You never said it nor you implied it. The point I am trying to make is that just because you have a different belief or culture does not make you a racist. I would prefer not to have a segregated prom or event but it does not mean it should be disallowed. As another member mentioned that it is a private event hence me poking fun of Clak's comment. The reason why I am picking on you is because you can't seem to grasp the idea of an exclusive and private event.
 
[quote name='mrsilkunderwear']
You never said it nor you implied it. The point I am trying to make is that just because you have a different belief or culture does not make you a racist.[/QUOTE]

No but any event that specifically bars X race or races does make you a racist. Would you throw a party with your friends and tell them no black +1s? Why would you put any race restriction on any public or private event other than racism? Saying its "culture" is BS.
 
[quote name='cancerman1120']No but any event that specifically bars X race or races does make you a racist. Would you throw a party with your friends and tell them no black +1s? Why would you put any race restriction on any public or private event other than racism? Saying its "culture" is BS.[/QUOTE]

Maybe in this case it is. I am not familiar with the event or the people who organize it so I do not know their true intentions.

Would I throw such an event? Maybe. If lets say I threw a fundraiser for some local politician here in Texas. I would invite the people who are mostly interested in promoting the same ideals as I. I would not invite people who drive and listen to cranked up "gangsta" music. People who wear their pants around their knees with extremely long white tees. I would not even care if it was some rich rapper because I do not need one of the guests walking around talking about bitches and G6. Would I do this because I am racist? Of course not.

The main point again is that this even should be allowed if it is private and does not violate any of the local laws.
 
[quote name='mrsilkunderwear']I assume your off the guest list then?

You never said it nor you implied it. The point I am trying to make is that just because you have a different belief or culture does not make you a racist. I would prefer not to have a segregated prom or event but it does not mean it should be disallowed. As another member mentioned that it is a private event hence me poking fun of Clak's comment. The reason why I am picking on you is because you can't seem to grasp the idea of an exclusive and private event.[/QUOTE]

Good job on the comeback, real super clever like.

If your defining characteristic of whether something is discriminatory is the private nature then you're saying we need to scale back the civil rights act? Housing, employment, recreation, all largely private transactions yet are afforded some amount of protection under the civil rights act. You're saying we should get rid of those protections, only prevent the government from being discriminatory?
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Good job on the comeback, real super clever like.[/QUOTE]
That's what happens when you attack someone personally just because they differ on opinion. A child gets a appropriate response.
If your defining characteristic of whether something is discriminatory is the private nature then you're saying we need to scale back the civil rights act? Housing, employment, recreation, all largely private transactions yet are afforded some amount of protection under the civil rights act. You're saying we should get rid of those protections, only prevent the government from being discriminatory?
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I am probably not as familiar with the act as you so bear with me. When it comes to public schools, voter registration, government funded organizations and companies, we should enforce and protect the people of color. When it comes to private institutions and companies, we should not intervene. Racism, even though it exists is not a large scale issue. If someone tried to run a restaurant catering only to whites, they would probably go out of business. There is a better way to fight segregation than by using government force.

If I own a huge piece of land on which I started to develop houses and I have put them on sale. I should have a right to sell it to whomever I want. Most likely it would be people of European or Asian descent. This is not because I am racist, I am not, but because I have more in common with these people than I do with blacks.

Please understand that I agree with many liberals on many social issues. What I disagree on is on the approach and solutions. You want the government to step it and resolve everything for you, I believe it can be done with the help of the people and education. Enlightenment is always better than force.
 
[quote name='mrsilkunderwear']That's what happens when you attack someone personally just because they differ on opinion. A child gets a appropriate response.

I am probably not as familiar with the act as you so bear with me. When it comes to public schools, voter registration, government funded organizations and companies, we should enforce and protect the people of color. When it comes to private institutions and companies, we should not intervene. Racism, even though it exists is not a large scale issue. If someone tried to run a restaurant catering only to whites, they would probably go out of business. There is a better way to fight segregation than by using government force.

If I own a huge piece of land on which I started to develop houses and I have put them on sale. I should have a right to sell it to whomever I want. Most likely it would be people of European or Asian descent. This is not because I am racist, I am not, but because I have more in common with these people than I do with blacks.

Please understand that I agree with many liberals on many social issues. What I disagree on is on the approach and solutions. You want the government to step it and resolve everything for you, I believe it can be done with the help of the people and education. Enlightenment is always better than force.[/QUOTE]

So we'd experience less racism if the civil rights act was repealed? Is that what your free market sensibilities are telling you?
 
"I think private citizens should be allowed to control who goes on their own private property." becomes "I'm a racist!"

I'd say "Interesting...", but it's the same ol' song and dance we've heard a million times over.

I'm curious - Why do some laws (Freedom of Speech or Right to bear arms) only apply to the government (i.e.: you can kick me out of your house if I say bad things about you or private property owners are allowed to ban the possession of firearms on the property), but civil rights legislation some how expands beyond the government and onto private property?
 
[quote name='UncleBob']"I think private citizens should be allowed to control who goes on their own private property." becomes "I'm a racist!"
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Again only racist if you openly admit you won't sell or do something based on a person's race. If you won't sell your land to someone because they are black/latino/asian/white or whatever then it is racism. Just like if you would not sell to a woman then it is sexism. Does that categorically make you a racist? Maybe not, but it sure seems like the definition of an "-ism" to me.

The Fair Housing Act (Title VIII of the Civil Rights Act of 1968) introduced meaningful federal enforcement mechanisms. It outlawed:
  • Refusal to sell or rent a dwelling to any person because of race, color, religion, sex, or national origin.
  • Discrimination based on race, color, religion or national origin in the terms, conditions or privilege of the sale or rental of a dwelling.
  • Advertising the sale or rental of a dwelling indicating preference of discrimination based on race, color, religion or national origin.
  • Coercing, threatening, intimidating, or interfering with a person's enjoyment or exercise of housing rights based on discriminatory reasons or retaliating against a person or organization that aids or encourages the exercise or enjoyment of fair housing rights.
 
[quote name='cancerman1120']
Again only racist if you openly admit you won't sell or do something based on a person's race. If you won't sell your land to someone because they are black/latino/asian/white or whatever then it is racism. Just like if you would not sell to a woman then it is sexism. Does that categorically make you a racist? Maybe not, but it sure seems like the definition of an "-ism" to me.

The Fair Housing Act (Title VIII of the Civil Rights Act of 1968) introduced meaningful federal enforcement mechanisms. It outlawed:
  • Refusal to sell or rent a dwelling to any person because of race, color, religion, sex, or national origin.
  • Discrimination based on race, color, religion or national origin in the terms, conditions or privilege of the sale or rental of a dwelling.
  • Advertising the sale or rental of a dwelling indicating preference of discrimination based on race, color, religion or national origin.
  • Coercing, threatening, intimidating, or interfering with a person's enjoyment or exercise of housing rights based on discriminatory reasons or retaliating against a person or organization that aids or encourages the exercise or enjoyment of fair housing rights.
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The gov't should not tell you who, as a private citizen, you can rent or sell to for any reason. I understand why they passed these laws. Blacks had it bad, but it is a huge over reach for the gov't to have the power to enforce rules on private citizens on private property. Equal protection under the law in realms that the gov't SHOULD have domain under is what we should have. Making everyone "play nice" together is Big Brother-ism. Arguing for diversity quotas and affirmative action is in direct opposition to the "spirit" of these laws also.

PS: Does one have to be black to be a contestant in Miss Black America? Is this racist?;) http://www.missblackamerica.com/Index2b.html
 
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PS: Does one have to be black to be a contestant in Miss Black America? Is this racist?;) http://www.missblackamerica.com/Index2b.html[/QUOTE]

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14. I certify that all of the statements contained herein are true to the best of my knowledge and belief.

APPLICANTS’ AGREEMENT (Adults)

I CERTIFYTO THE MISS BLACK AMERICA PAGEANT that I am a high school graduate, or equivalent; I am between the ages of 17 and 29, or, I will become 17 prior to the Miss Black America Pageant of this Pageant year and my age will not exceed 29 years I am single, have never been married, nor have I had a marriage annulled, nor have I been divorced and I have not conceived a child I certify that I will not become married during my reign in the event I become Miss Black America I am of good moral character I have been a resident of this City for a period of three months prior to the date of the pageant in which I am applying to compete or I have been attending a college or University in the City in which I may compete I understand that if I am elected Miss Black America' and for any reason I am unable to keep the engagements committed for me on behalf of the Miss Black America Pageant, the Miss Black America Pageant reserves the right to take the title "Miss Black America away from me and award it to the First Runner-up or to whomever is eligible for said title I am in good health I understand that any personal appearance I make during my reign if I am elected Miss Black America will be considered a Miss Black America Personal Appearance I understand that the fee for a Miss Black America Personal Appearance is four hundred dollars ($400.) for the first day and $200. for each additional day, plus expenses, providing the MBA Pageant doesn't negotiate a different personal appearance rate I understand that the Miss Black America Pageant will receive 25% of the amount payable to me for personal appearances I understand that if the MBA Pageant provides a traveling companion to accompany me on appearances, the traveling companion will receive 25% of the personal appearance fees paid me.

I CERTIFY that I am not under contract to any personal manager or agent and I understand that I will not be authorized to hire a personal manager or agent for the duration of my reign in the event I should

win the title "Miss Black America" I understand that In the event I become Miss Black America, I will fall under the exclusive personal management of the Miss Black America Pageant and I will grant the Miss Black America Pageant and Media Event "Power of Attorney to enter into contracts and make commitments on my behalf to other parties. I understand that in the event I win the title "Miss Black America", the title belongs to the Miss Black America Pageant and I am only holding the title until the following Miss Black America Pageant winner is selected. I understand that during the year of my reign. If I am elected Miss Black America I can not endorse, make appearances, advertise, or take photographs with or for any products, institutions, organizations, or persons without the express written permission of the Miss Black America Pageant I understand that when I agree with all the stipulations of the Miss Black America Pageant stated herein and submit this agreement and release to the Miss Black America pageant (or if I am under the age of 21 and my parent or legal guardian agrees and submits same,

I am contracted and committed to abide by the rules and regulations of the Miss Black America Pageant. I certify that I have read, understand and meet' the requirements of all the above stipulations and have made all true statements In this applicant's agreement and release. If I am a college student and should win the title "Miss Black America" In the event the Pageant demands, I will forego my education the length and duration of my reign, or if I am employed, will terminate my employment for the length of my reign in the event I am requested to do so by the MBAP. I understand that in the event I am elected Miss Black america, the last personal appearance made by the reigning Miss Black America is a scheduled appearance at the National final Pageant and Media Special occurring subsequent to her winning year.

I release the National Miss Black America Pageant and all others connected with the National Level of the Miss Black America Pageant from any and all claims arising out of Injury promises, commitments, or any type of damage to me many way resulting from my participating on the local level of the Miss Black America Pageant I hereby agree to indemnify the National! Level of the Miss Black America Pageant and to hold it and all others connected with the National Level of the MBA Pageant harmless from all liabilities, claims, actions, damages, expenses and losses of any kind or nature whatsoever caused by or arising out of or In connection with my participation on any Local Level of the Miss Black America Pageant or the organization sponsoring it. I understand that any local Producer of a Pageant, or the Organization sponsoring a local Pageant is not an employee agent or representative of the National Miss Black America Pageant I understand that organizations sponsoring local pageants are independent and accountable totally for the conduct of a local pageant
I understand that this agreement is between me and the Miss Black America Pageant. I understand that there will be no refund of any pageant sponsorship or application fees for any reason I/we have read the total mbap-6 tv release and applicant’s agreement, and I / we authorize the Miss Black America Pageant-Media Special and others authorized by it to use my name, photograph, biographical information and performance on the mba pageant in accord with the above stipulations.
GUARANTEES TO CONTESTANTS BY MISS BLACK AMERICA PAGEANT award of Two Thousand Dollars at the end of the winner's reign. This, in addition to any 3 rd party Prizes and awards which will be received after the end of the reign.

The minimum fee for a City Title Holder is $25. plus expenses The minimum fee for a State Title Holder is $50. plus expenses. Title holders may, however waive the fee if they desire to make charitable appearances or appear at non paying benefits, or charities. Title Holders are expected, to make promotional appearances for their local pageants and for radio a TV appearances that do not pay.

MISS BLACK AMERICA APPLICANTS' PETITION TO WAIVE MBA MARITAL AND CHILDBEARING REQUIREMENTS

1. Applicant hereby requests the MBAP to waive its requirements regarding her marital and childbearing status.

2. Applicant certifies that her marital status and/or child(ren) will not prevent her from honoring all commitments made by MBAHQ on her behalf the event she wins the title of "Miss Black America"

3. Applicant further certifies that her marital status and/or child(ren) will not prevent her from satisfying all the terms of the applicant's agreement and media release stipulated above .


No. Will you win? No.

Edit: Most of the "Black" only things talked about as being racist were started because whites would not allow blacks to participate in majority events.

Ever heard of the Negro league?
 
Jackie Robinson was just a racist asshole, don't you all know that? He gave those white players a hell of a time, treated them horribly!
 
[quote name='cancerman1120']
Again only racist if you openly admit you won't sell or do something based on a person's race.[/QUOTE]

But that isn't what I (or some others) have said.

"I think private citizens should be allowed to control who goes on their own private property." isn't anywhere in the same ball park as "I think private citizens should control who goes on their own private property based on the color of one's skin."

Likewise, I think a private citizen should be allowed to smoke a carton a day, drink three bottles of Jack every day, and eat 50 Big Macs a day. I don't think anyone *should*, though.

Just because I don't want the government to make rules against stupid people making stupid decisions doesn't mean I support the stupid people or their stupid decisions.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']But that isn't what I (or some others) have said.

"I think private citizens should be allowed to control who goes on their own private property." isn't anywhere in the same ball park as "I think private citizens should control who goes on their own private property based on the color of one's skin."

Likewise, I think a private citizen should be allowed to smoke a carton a day, drink three bottles of Jack every day, and eat 50 Big Macs a day. I don't think anyone *should*, though.

Just because I don't want the government to make rules against stupid people making stupid decisions doesn't mean I support the stupid people or their stupid decisions.[/QUOTE]


Amen, bro.:applause:
 
[quote name='egofed']The gov't should not tell you who, as a private citizen, you can rent or sell to for any reason. I understand why they passed these laws. Blacks had it bad, but it is a huge over reach for the gov't to have the power to enforce rules on private citizens on private property. Equal protection under the law in realms that the gov't SHOULD have domain under is what we should have. Making everyone "play nice" together is Big Brother-ism. Arguing for diversity quotas and affirmative action is in direct opposition to the "spirit" of these laws also.

PS: Does one have to be black to be a contestant in Miss Black America? Is this racist?;) http://www.missblackamerica.com/Index2b.html[/QUOTE]
Blacks had it "bad" huh? I guess being granted the full protections and equal treatment under the law to whites is just a minor fucking inconvenience compared to making sure that whites having to "play nice" by not disenfranchising, impoverishing, beating, and killing black people. Why not just use that snippet of that 18 minute speech for maximum derpitude while you're at it.

[quote name='mrsilkunderwear']Says the most ignorant person on this site. Priceless.[/QUOTE]
Says the person that held Sweden as an example of the success of the free market and how shareholders are immune from poor financial earnings and losses caused by a CEO. The irony of this post is giving me tetanus.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']...and why isn't there a "White Entertainment Television" channel, guys?

Right? Right?

Hegemony is pretty undetectable, y'know.[/QUOTE]

What is this "hegemony" you speak of and where can I get some? My guts tell me that you just made that word up or it's some new liberal vegan ice cream flavor for PC pansy moonbats.
 
[quote name='dohdough']Blacks had it "bad" huh? I guess being granted the full protections and equal treatment under the law to whites is just a minor fucking inconvenience compared to making sure that whites having to "play nice" by not disenfranchising, impoverishing, beating, and killing black people. Why not just use that snippet of that 18 minute speech for maximum derpitude while you're at it.


Says the person that held Sweden as an example of the success of the free market and how shareholders are immune from poor financial earnings and losses caused by a CEO. The irony of this post is giving me tetanus.[/QUOTE]

There's a big difference between ensuring equal treatment of all people under the gov't's domain when dealing with said gov't, and trying to regulate private interactions among private citizens. Also, elevating groups ABOVE others to ensure equality seems rather odd, no? The whole "hate crime" bullcrap is nonsense. A murderer's motive for premeditated killing and who his victim is should not matter in dealing out punishment. Once you make the same laws apply to all people, the gov't's job is done. Who's beating and killing black people with impunity today? Maybe just....the gov't.;)

Say what you want about silk, but he at least responds to criticism and doesn't hide behind the ignore function as far as I know.

I also wanted to make sure cancerman knew that I am aware of the Civil Rights Acts that are on the books. I'm saying that the ones concerning private citizens and private property are crap when viewed by someone who supports personal freedom and liberty. Outlawing racism and hatred is like outlawing ignorance and stupidity. It is pointless, ineffective, and waaay out of the gov't's scope of power when it concerns the PRIVATE world.

You want the gov't to be able to tell you who you can rent to, yet not be able to tell a person on welfare what junk foods they can't buy with tax payer money.....ooooookkkkkkk:roll:
 
[quote name='Clak']Bloody hell, some of you are being even more ignorant than usual.[/QUOTE]

Sometimes I just can't decide if it's just straight up over exaggerated opinions just to troll or if they really do strongly believe these things... I suspect it's the former but that's probably because I'm too optimistic to think it's the latter.

In either situation, useful and thought-provoking discussion is quickly dwindling away from the VS. board.
 
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