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[quote name='n8rockerasu']I don't understand the logic here. Why would anybody be on board with sending out their personal property if there wasn't anything for them to gain from it? Wouldn't you lend so you can borrow?

And if I'm paying $5 to receive a game from somebody...how many games a month do I have to borrow before I'm just better off having a Gamefly account? It's starting to seem a little pointless.[/QUOTE]

read my post and there is a reason why someone would be willing to do it. i don't play all of my games anymore, in fact i have barely played half of my games for any decent amount of time. like i said though, i was able to buy most of my games because of CAG and if this is a way i can help the community by loaning out some of the games i don't play, i would be fine with it as long as i am not losing out on my money.

[quote name='n8rockerasu']All you have is COD2? Come on man...that's a bit unrealistic and outside of the reach of something like this. How can you expect somebody to send you a $60 game when all you have as "collateral" is a $10 game? Unfortunately, I don't think something like this would ever work for those kind of CAGs (who also have less to lose from a game being "lost", "damaged", etc.)

I thought the point of this was for people like this: CAG A: buys Fallout 3, but can't afford to buy GoW2. CAG B: buys GoW2, but can't afford to buy Fallout 3. Play, share, rinse, repeat. You just saved $60![/QUOTE]

if that is how you wanted to handle your lending that would be fine as well. you don't have to do something like me to be involved with this, but that doesn't mean that everyone else shouldn't get a fair chance either.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']I don't understand the logic here. Why would anybody be on board with sending out their personal property if there wasn't anything for them to gain from it? Wouldn't you lend so you can borrow?

And if I'm paying $5 to receive a game from somebody...how many games a month do I have to borrow before I'm just better off having a Gamefly account? It's starting to seem a little pointless.[/quote]
Gamefly costs $16 for 1 game out at a time to my knowledge. For me, it costs $2.77 + $.50 = $3.27 for shipping which includes the bubble mailer, shipping, and DC. For the purpose of this thread, i see everyone keeping the games for roughly 2 weeks. So that's 2 games out a month for ~$6.54, this is assuming the lender ships the game out to the borrower, and the borrower ships the game back. Personally, i'd love to avoid PayPal (and their fees) since they rip you off with jsut about everything you do. Again, the ideal situation is a mutual trade.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']I don't understand the logic here. Why would anybody be on board with sending out their personal property if there wasn't anything for them to gain from it? Wouldn't you lend so you can borrow?

And if I'm paying $5 to receive a game from somebody...how many games a month do I have to borrow before I'm just better off having a Gamefly account? It's starting to seem a little pointless.[/QUOTE]
Because your idea limits the system. The idea here is that everybody is free to lend and borrow. Sure, there will be people who might do no lending at all, but those people will likely be noticed and denied by lenders over time. People are mature here, and will be willing to lend after they've received. It seems too complicated and unnecessary to place some kind of token system on it.

Well, if you can afford a Gamefly account and deem it beneficial... get a Gamefly account.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']All you have is COD2? Come on man...that's a bit unrealistic and outside of the reach of something like this. How can you expect somebody to send you a $60 game when all you have as "collateral" is a $10 game? Unfortunately, I don't think something like this would ever work for those kind of CAGs (who also have less to lose from a game being "lost", "damaged", etc.)

I thought the point of this was for people like this: CAG A: buys Fallout 3, but can't afford to buy GoW2. CAG B: buys GoW2, but can't afford to buy Fallout 3. Play, share, rinse, repeat. You just saved $60![/quote]
For one, i never said i would be getting a $60 games in return for a $10 game. I'm actually eying Mass Effect ($15-20 game) so my COD2(GotY Ed.) would be a rather fair lend/borrow.

The point to this thread is to provide games to each other at a much, much lower cost. If two people want to swap Fallout 3 and GoW2, go for it. But if another two people want to swap Fable 2 and Mass Effect, then that's fine too. It's all up to the lender and borrower to figure out...honestly, i don't see what is so hard to figure out? And for the record, i sent Fable 2 to HotShotX and paid shipping. He paid shipping back, i had nothing in return...and i was fine with that. Though he did offer his game library (which included Mass Effect) to me and said i could borrow anything i wanted.
 
I already established a thing like this at my school.
It works well.
So far I have out, Persona 3 FES and am borrowing Bioshock, Fable and soon to be FF7 Crisis Core.
Once I beat Bioshock, I'mma gonna return it to my friend, then let him borrow Fallout 3, and in return I'll get to borrow Gears 2!
Then when he's done, I'll let my other friend borrow Fallout 3, and he'll let me borrow Fable 2!
Its sooo nice!
 
I'm a big fan of having the shipper pay because I hate dealing in small amounts of money online. You're going to have to use PayPal and lose some of it to fees, go through the hassle of cashing a check or money order for $3.00, or mail cash. It's just much easier if the shipper always pays.
 
[quote name='SynGamer']For one, i never said i would be getting a $60 games in return for a $10 game. I'm actually eying Mass Effect ($15-20 game) so my COD2(GotY Ed.) would be a rather fair lend/borrow.

The point to this thread is to provide games to each other at a much, much lower cost. If two people want to swap Fallout 3 and GoW2, go for it. But if another two people want to swap Fable 2 and Mass Effect, then that's fine too. It's all up to the lender and borrower to figure out...honestly, i don't see what is so hard to figure out? And for the record, i sent Fable 2 to HotShotX and paid shipping. He paid shipping back, i had nothing in return...and i was fine with that. Though he did offer his game library (which included Mass Effect) to me and said i could borrow anything i wanted.[/QUOTE]

if i were to only bite the cost of shipping once or twice, it wouldn't be a big deal to me, but there is nothing coming out for a while that i know of that is a must play to me and the only 2 newer games that i feel like playing that i haven't bought are fallout 3 and fable 2 which i don't mind holding off on anyways since i am personally a multiplayer person for the most part myself. so i would like be paying $2.50 to ship games on a regular schedule and getting nothing in return really which would make doing something like this an entire waste for me.

edit: a way it could work is the shipper pays up front to ship and the person receiving sticks a couple of dollars in the case to make up the cost of the original shipper. that way no money is lost from the shipper really and it shows a bit of appreciation on the part of the person receiving to do something like that.
 
[quote name='IAmTheBiggestInuyashaFan']read my post and there is a reason why someone would be willing to do it. i don't play all of my games anymore, in fact i have barely played half of my games for any decent amount of time. like i said though, i was able to buy most of my games because of CAG and if this is a way i can help the community by loaning out some of the games i don't play, i would be fine with it as long as i am not losing out on my money.[/quote]

I understand what you're saying. Like JJSP mentioned though, I don't understand why you'd even feel generous enough to loan your stuff out. Just seems like there's too much risk and no reward.

if that is how you wanted to handle your lending that would be fine as well. you don't have to do something like me to be involved with this, but that doesn't mean that everyone else shouldn't get a fair chance either.
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Also, I wouldn't even qualify for this. I just wanted to suggest a system that is workable. It's actually very similar to Goozex/Sayswap without assigning games a particular "value" or charging fees for "trading tokens".

[quote name='SynGamer']Gamefly costs $16 for 1 game out at a time to my knowledge. For me, it costs $2.77 + $.50 = $3.27 for shipping which includes the bubble mailer, shipping, and DC. For the purpose of this thread, i see everyone keeping the games for roughly 2 weeks. So that's 2 games out a month for ~$6.54, this is assuming the lender ships the game out to the borrower, and the borrower ships the game back. Personally, i'd love to avoid PayPal (and their fees) since they rip you off with jsut about everything you do. Again, the ideal situation is a mutual trade.[/quote]

BUT if the borrower pays both, it's costing you $6.54 per game...and that's where we cross over into the "Pointless Zone". As you can see, the guy with the super-long screen name whom I quoted above doesn't want to pay to send you a game because he's not going to borrow one. And now you're at an impasse. I hope I'm not coming off as a smartass in all this. I really think it's a good idea overall. But I just think you have to have some kind of concrete structure. Otherwise, you're just asking for chaos.

[quote name='Rocko']Because your idea limits the system. The idea here is that everybody is free to lend and borrow. Sure, there will be people who might do no lending at all, but those people will likely be noticed and denied by lenders over time. People are mature here, and will be willing to lend after they've received. It seems too complicated and unnecessary to place some kind of token system on it.

Well, if you can afford a Gamefly account and deem it beneficial... get a Gamefly account.[/quote]

It's possible. I'll give you that. Very laissez-faire...but possible :) Also, I don't have a Gamefly account. I trade games in at Blockbuster and maximize my dollars as best I can. Goozex has also been a great service to me.
 
you know what, i will just delete all my other post and leave it with everyone else. there aren't many people willing to do what i am, but obviously my wanting to be generous will be a waste and the fact that i probably have many games most people don't wont matter either. will that make you happy n8rockerasu? i wasn't suggesting that everyone would be willing to do it this way and while it may be a little risky to me, i wouldn't ship to people i didn't really trust or people that bother me on cag. everyone can just do the you ship to me/ i ship to you thing, i am going to stay out of this now since it is just going to bother me explaining everything multiple times.
 
[quote name='IAmTheBiggestInuyashaFan']you know what, i will just delete all my other post and leave it with everyone else. there aren't many people willing to do what i am, but obviously my wanting to be generous will be a waste and the fact that i probably have many games most people don't wont matter either. will that make you happy n8rockerasu? i wasn't suggesting that everyone would be willing to do it this way and while it may be a little risky to me, i wouldn't ship to people i didn't really trust or people that bother me on cag. everyone can just do the you ship to me/ i ship to you thing, i am going to stay out of this now since it is just going to bother me explaining everything multiple times.[/quote]

Great...here we go. I wasn't trying to start drama, but do you see where there's a disconnect? You don't want to pay shipping because you're not going to be borrowing. Many others didn't want to pay for shipping both ways. Do you see the problem there? That's all I'm saying about it. Christ, I was just trying to help you all get on the same page. So much for that "CAG maturity".
 
Let's be honest, how many cases of this caliber ("I have every game created and don't want anything!") would we really encounter?
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']Great...here we go. I wasn't trying to start drama, but do you see where there's a disconnect? You don't want to pay shipping because you're not going to be borrowing. Many others didn't want to pay for shipping both ways. Do you see the problem there? That's all I'm saying about it. Christ, I was just trying to help you all get on the same page. So much for that "CAG maturity".[/QUOTE]

i wasn't trying to be immature, but you can't seem to get the point which starts to get annoying. i understand where it would become a problem if everyone was doing what i was willing to, but i honestly don't see many if anyone else doing it besides me. at this point i am simply just going to opt out of doing it completely since i see it will be a complete waste for me to attempt anything since my being willing to will just cause problems for people not willing to pay a couple extra dollars so i don't lose money.
 
[quote name='IAmTheBiggestInuyashaFan']you know what, i will just delete all my other post and leave it with everyone else. there aren't many people willing to do what i am, but obviously my wanting to be generous will be a waste and the fact that i probably have many games most people don't wont matter either. will that make you happy n8rockerasu? i wasn't suggesting that everyone would be willing to do it this way and while it may be a little risky to me, i wouldn't ship to people i didn't really trust or people that bother me on cag. everyone can just do the you ship to me/ i ship to you thing, i am going to stay out of this now since it is just going to bother me explaining everything multiple times.[/quote]
You could just ignore him. It seems there are plenty of people who want to do this so once the 'Lender' and 'Borrower' are implemented, we can kick this thing off. And with that, i have the following 360 games if anyone is interested. I'm wouldn't mind Fallout 3...

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Call of Duty 2: GotY Edition
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Fable II
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NBA Street Homecourt
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Project Gotham Racing 4
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The Darkness
 
sadly, ignoring him would only mean i can't see his post anymore, he can still see mine which he then responds to and i have no way of responding back without removing him from that list. i honestly wasn't trying to make this difficult and thought it would be a good way to help out the CAG community, but honestly people like him just push me away from doing it all together. if i decide there is something i would like to borrow, i may come back to this sometime, but until then i don't think i will be getting involved in this anymore.
 
[quote name='IAmTheBiggestInuyashaFan']sadly, ignoring him would only mean i can't see his post anymore, he can still see mine which he then responds to and i have no way of responding back without removing him from that list. i honestly wasn't trying to make this difficult and thought it would be a good way to help out the CAG community, but honestly people like him just push me away from doing it all together. if i decide there is something i would like to borrow, i may come back to this sometime, but until then i don't think i will be getting involved in this anymore.[/QUOTE]
...Or you could just ignore him by not responding to his posts.
 
[quote name='SynGamer']You could just ignore him. It seems there are plenty of people who want to do this so once the 'Lender' and 'Borrower' are implemented, we can kick this thing off. And with that, i have the following 360 games if anyone is interested. I'm wouldn't mind Fallout 3...

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Call of Duty 2: GotY Edition
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Fable II
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NBA Street Homecourt
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Project Gotham Racing 4
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The Darkness[/quote]

Let's wait on posting lists until this is formally approved and stickied. For the rest of you arguing, stay on topic.

~HotShotX
 
Hmm, N8rocker is being a dumbass? Would have never guess that one.

Dont worry about him guys he talks a big game but usually quits at the slightest sign of things not going his way.

Anyway, as a outsider (never plan on being using this) it sounds like it could work with some tweaks here and there. I thing the biggest challenge for you guys would be setting some really "set in stone" rules. Even with the CAG community that is still a huge risk just sending your games out.

Time allowed to have a game. What happens if it takes a guy 2 months to be "finished" with a game?
With all of this shipping and handling a game is bound to get lost/stolen/broken even if everyone has good intentions...what do you do then?

Also, has much as we love CAG 2.0 I simply dont think a thread has the power to really monitor what games are going out and coming in and who owns the original.

I do however disagree with rocko on the idea that the lender would have to pay anything. They is already lending their game out.....that really should be payment enough for this.


This is a great idea but I dont know how it would work.
 
This sounds amazing, but I have to say that I'm a bit worried. Basically you are letting someone, you don't know anything about, to borrow your property. Many things can go wrong. If you were to trade games and you lose the copy, you won't get penalized for anything. (Since it's your copy now.) But with borrowing, what happens then? I'm sure the borrower will have negative ratings on iTrader and asked to pay for the loss. But it seems way too risky. How many times have you had to pay late fees or even the whole value for losing a movie/book from the library/rental place? It's pretty common. And since this is the internet, communication is not always good.

Not only that but what about the risk of scratching discs? Now I'm a pretty organized guy that treats his stuff well. I'm not sure everyone willing to do this is. There's bound to be some light scratches and scuff marks on your disks after you lend them out. How will that be handled? If you scratch your own disc, you can only blame yourself. But what about a fellow CAG?

This all sounds great, and I'm sure everyone's money is tight nowadays. But I want to see a system in place where strict rules are implemented and so no one can have a chance in taking advantage of this. Or just rules to make sure others will take care of your games. Otherwise, I'm very much interested and would like to see this idea develop more.
 
I'd like to see this turn into a game exchange type of thing. Before I get into that, here is some brief information. According to this (source), the average CD Case w/h a CD inside is about 2.15 oz. Shipped with First Class mail, that is $1.00 or $1.17 -- I can't tell, here's the USPS Postage Price http://postcalc.usps.gov/Popups/pop_up24.htm. Anyhow, I propose this:

To cut down on prices, etc.. games should be shipped in a CD Case, along with some bubble wrap or something so the CD doesn't get broken. This should cut down on the shipping price, since it's only $1.00ish. Games should not be sent with its full case and manual.

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I believe I found the prime solution. Let's say CAG A and CAG B will get something in return for shipping their game out, an incentive. For a mere example, let's say CAG A owns Fallout 3, and CAG B owns Fable 2. Both have positive feedback, are frequent CAGs, and are unlikely to scam.

CAG A ships Fallout 3 (just the game only, no manual, CD case) to CAG B for a maximum price of ($1.50 -- it's really only $1.00-$1.17, but let's add .40 for bubble wrap). CAG B does the same.

Both play their games for 2 weeks and send it back to each other. CAG A and CAG B get $3.00 taken out of their pocket, from sending his/her game out and sending the other person's back.


In addition, there is only one way a CAG can scam through this. Let's say he/she is a frequent CAG and bypass the admission process. The only way he/she can scam is if he/she doesn't send his/her game at all, but receives one from someone else. If both CAGs send their games out, there's no point in scamming, because the other person has his/her game. Game exchanging also rules out waiting because it isn't a chain, nor will it be sent out in long periods of time. You exchange your game to someone and you get one back, in relatively the same time (3 days per).

With Game Exchanging/Lending between two people, you can play games for up to like 2 weeks, and only be out $3.00.

It is also a CAG's choice if he/she want to send a newer released game such as Fallout 3 for a game like Gears of War (1). Although it's probably better if they exchange a newer released game for a newer released game, some people here just want the achievements, so there's nothing stopping them from trying to get older-type games.


EDIT: Alternatively, the more people you add to the circle, for example:

CAG A has Fable 2
CAG B has Fallout 3
CAG C has Dead Space

The more it is worth it, because if you game exchange with just two people, you pay $3.00 (pay to ship game out and pay to ship game back), whereas with three people, you pay $4.50 (pay to ship game out, pay to ship game out, pay to ship game out).
 
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Let me take a chance to address some of the concerns that have been brought up:

Basically you are letting someone, you don't know anything about, to borrow your property.
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If you just lend out your games to whoever on CAG, then yeah. Lenders should be taking some time to review the previous trading history of potential borrowers, or trade only amongst close CAG friends. Lenders have full control over who they do and do not trade with. You will not be booted from CAG if you choose to not participate in the circle :)

Not only that but what about the risk of scratching discs? Now I'm a pretty organized guy that treats his stuff well. I'm not sure everyone willing to do this is. There's bound to be some light scratches and scuff marks on your disks after you lend them out. How will that be handled? If you scratch your own disc, you can only blame yourself. But what about a fellow CAG?
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This also leans towards trading only with CAGs you trust, but potential lenders can find a decent amount of info in the borrowers trading history. Look for comments in which the borrower was the seller or trader, and see if there are any recurring issues with the borrower sending out damaged or scratched games, it's a good sign of how they take care of their games. When in doubt, refuse to lend.

Time allowed to have a game. What happens if it takes a guy 2 months to be "finished" with a game?
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The lender determines the time frame at the beginning of the trade, or simply tells the borrower that they will request the game back at some undetermined point. The borrower has absolutely no say in this. If a lender requests a game back a day after the borrower receives it, tough shit. Pack it up and mail it back in the condition you received it. There will be some form of warning/penalty for lenders who consistently recall games prematurely without reason, but IT IS THEIR GAME. PERIOD.

With all of this shipping and handling a game is bound to get lost/stolen/broken even if everyone has good intentions...what do you do then?
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All the more reason that conga lines or A-B-C trading is not that good an idea. The best method for those worried about the condition of their games is to engage in trading only with those you trust, making it clear that your game is not to be lended to anyone else or "passed on", and to keep a photo log of the game's condition before shipping it out and when it is received, both the lender and borrower should do this.

Be proactive, the system only keeps track of those already borrowing a game, and those who abuse the circle. Quality control and loss prevention is part of your job. If a game is damaged or broken, we follow the same guidelines as the Trading Forum: Those at fault at punished on the forums (Trading Time Out/Ban), and if they refuse to replace the item, mail fraud is filed by the lender.

Also, has much as we love CAG 2.0 I simply dont think a thread has the power to really monitor what games are going out and coming in and who owns the original.
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It will be better than nothing. The OP will maintain a list of all active borrowers, and list who is borrowing what and from who. All potential transactions should be checked against the OP to ensure no borrower is borrowing more than they should. If they try to borrow beyond their one game, report them. With a vigilant community, there will be little issue, but if you leave yourself vulnerable for abuse, then you will be on the losing end.

~HotShotX
 
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I've thought about this before (but it was for DVD box sets), but there's so many loose ends that it never came to pass. The bottom line is that you can't trust anyone with your property, no matter how long they've been on the site or how much feedback they have.
 
What about the condition of the game? That's one of the reason why I don't like lending my stuff to other people. I would normally get the item back in shitty condition.
 
[quote name='blueweltall']What about the condition of the game? That's one of the reason why I don't like lending my stuff to other people. I would normally get the item back in shitty condition.[/quote]

Did you even read what I just posted right above you?

Keep a photo log of the game's condition before shipping it out and when it is received, both the lender and borrower should do this.

Be proactive, the system only keeps track of those already borrowing a game, and those who abuse the circle. Quality control and loss prevention is part of your job. If a game is damaged or broken, we follow the same guidelines as the Trading Forum: Those at fault at punished on the forums (Trading Time Out/Ban), and if they refuse to replace the item, mail fraud is filed by the lender.
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If you are that concerned about your items getting damaged by others, do one of the following:

1. Only lend out games you don't might becoming damaged.
2. Borrow a high end game from the borrower as collateral.
3. Ask the borrower to replace the disk, report them if refused, file for mail fraud.
4. Lend only to people you trust (not everyone immediately just scratches the hell out of their disk the second they get it).

I'm going to update the OP with an FAQ, because some people really aren't following the conversation in the thread.

~HotShotX
 
A couple of thoughts....
How do you determine the value of a lost or damaged game? Retail price? Used gamestop price? For instance say someone received a copy of game XYZ that is found at all the local bargain bins for $10 or $20 but still has a listed retail of $60 on the games site.

Also what about just utilizing a trade list like on the trade forums with the only difference being the games are to be returned at a future date. ie I have game 1, 2, 3 and Cheapass has Game 4,5,6. I contact Cheapass and offer Game 1 for Game 4. They accept and we trade. Feedback left after the games are returned to each person.

I kind of like the idea of disc only for trades as well since that would likely cut down on fraud since resale, retrade of that item would be lowered.

In the end I like this idea better than trading outright because I generally want to keep my games. For instance on HotshotX trade list he wants Deadliest Catch which I own but haven't finished and don't anticipate having time to play but it is a game I want in my collection. I could loan it out and try a game I haven't tried yet and still get the game back down the road.

Also it would be nice to be able to include ebay and goozex feedback for traders to consider since I have boatloads of feedback on both but haven't done many cag trades (like 150+ on goozex and 2500+ on ebay)
 
[quote name='kklems']A couple of thoughts....
How do you determine the value of a lost or damaged game? Retail price? Used gamestop price? For instance say someone received a copy of game XYZ that is found at all the local bargain bins for $10 or $20 but still has a listed retail of $60 on the games site.[/quote]

Good question. Since this is a game lending circle, and not trading or selling circle, I believe the best solution is for the borrower who damaged or broke the game to simply buy a new copy of the game locally or online, and to have it shipped to the lender's address. I think it's best if we limit the amount of money changing hands, and setting a rule that broken games can only be replaced by another copy instead of cash will limit abuse.

~HotShotX
 
I give you props for teing this hotshot. But damn man I just don't see it like you do I guess.

It seems like you are putting an a lot of pressure on the sender when it should be on the receiver.

I understand that its your game and you should take measures to protect it but to ask a guy to not only send his game out but keep a damn live journal about it seems to much.

Maybe it should be mandatory to put shipping insurance on it.


Also let's not kid ourselves cag is home to a lot of favortism. I fully agree that the lender should ne able to decide who gets it and who doesn't but I can see where that could be a problem and might as well just forget the whole system and PM each other.
 
I am totally in for this. Hopefully this becomes a success and the other game consoles open up as well, not too mention TV Box sets. :lol:
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']I give you props for teing this hotshot. But damn man I just don't see it like you do I guess.

It seems like you are putting an a lot of pressure on the sender when it should be on the receiver.

I understand that its your game and you should take measures to protect it but to ask a guy to not only send his game out but keep a damn live journal about it seems to much.

Maybe it should be mandatory to put shipping insurance on it.

Also let's not kid ourselves cag is home to a lot of favortism. I fully agree that the lender should ne able to decide who gets it and who doesn't but I can see where that could be a problem and might as well just forget the whole system and PM each other.[/quote]
What HotShotX is suggesting is simply that; suggestions. If you have a close frien don CAG, then you really don't need to monitor him/her that much. But to someone a bit less known to you, send them a message every couple days asking how the games is going, where they are in it. Not to rush them, but to get an idea of how far along they are and perhaps even to socialize a bit about said game. I think shipping insurance and DC should be musts. The sender pays for the ins. that way they have the documents and if anything goes wrong, they can be the ones to get their money back directly from the post office.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']I give you props for teing this hotshot. But damn man I just don't see it like you do I guess.

It seems like you are putting an a lot of pressure on the sender when it should be on the receiver.

I understand that its your game and you should take measures to protect it but to ask a guy to not only send his game out but keep a damn live journal about it seems to much.

Maybe it should be mandatory to put shipping insurance on it.[/quote]

Well, to put it into perspective, here's what I think one of the bigger issues will be:

CAG A ships his game to CAG B. CAG B plays the game, it gets a small amount of scuffing, and tries to ship it back to CAG A, hoping he won't notice. CAG A notices and files a complaint, and CAG B denies it was his fault.

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CAG A ships out a scuffed game. CAG B receives it and pms CAG A about the damaged game. CAG A starts ranting something along the lines of "OMG You ruind my game Imma report youz, you owe me a new game."

In either case, there isn't much evidence to back up either claim, and it would be unfair to take an eBay-like stance and take a single side consistently.

Therefore, I believe it is in the best interest of lenders to take extra steps when protecting their games, and for borrowers to do the same to ensure there is little grey area if an issue arises.

I think the pressure is distributed pretty evenly. The lender needs to take extra steps to provide evidence if an issue arises. The borrower nees to take extra steps to ensure that they can prove they are not at fault (i.e. damaged during shipping, be sent a damaged game, etc.)

It seems like a lot of work, but I don't think taking a photo of the game with a slip of paper showing your name and date is not a whole lot to ask when you are potentially saving $55 per game.

~HotShotX
 
[quote name='SynGamer']What HotShotX is suggesting is simply that; suggestions. If you have a close frien don CAG, then you really don't need to monitor him/her that much. But to someone a bit less known to you, send them a message every couple days asking how the games is going, where they are in it. Not to rush them, but to get an idea of how far along they are and perhaps even to socialize a bit about said game. I think shipping insurance and DC should be musts. The sender pays for the ins. that way they have the documents and if anything goes wrong, they can be the ones to get their money back directly from the post office.[/quote]

Completely off topic, but dude you only live 45ish minutes away from me. :lol: I live in Gouvy. LETS TRADE GAMES! :applause:


Oh, and I just realized a perfect case to ship my games in to cut down on costs. Just send the disk only in one of those thin-pak OXM disk cases or a case like Scene it comes in. You know those clear dvd think paks? If you put the disk in those it'd probably cost a little more than a buck to ship
 
[quote name='Ice Cold']I smell police involvement somewhere down the line pass.[/quote]

But you have barely been around CAG at all. The majority of people here do the right thing and I trust most of them.
 
[quote name='TehMuff1nM4n']Completely off topic, but dude you only live 45ish minutes away from me. :lol: I live in Gouvy. LETS TRADE GAMES! :applause:

Oh, and I just realized a perfect case to ship my games in to cut down on costs. Just send the disk only in one of those thin-pak OXM disk cases or a case like Scene it comes in. You know those clear dvd think paks? If you put the disk in those it'd probably cost a little more than a buck to ship[/quote]
I could so use my OXM case for the RB songs and ship games in that. And yeah, you're more like 43 minutes away :D It would take all of 1 day to trade games.

EDIT: Where's your tradelist???
 
[quote name='SynGamer']I could so use my OXM case for the RB songs and ship games in that. And yeah, you're more like 43 minutes away :D It would take all of 1 day to trade games.

EDIT: Where's your tradelist???[/quote]

I'm not a big fan of getting rid of games. Lending them is perfectly fine with me, but I have a problem with buying used and getting rid of games even when I know I won't play them again. :lol:
 
Games I'm willing to lend for 1-2 weeks:
Assassins Creed
Mass Effect
GTA IV
GRAW 2
Halo 3
Dead Rising
Beautiful Katamari
Fallout 3 (I'll be glad to exchange this for Fable 2)
CoD:WaW
Gears of War 2
DDR Universe
Viva Pinata
Burnout Paradise
NBA 07/NFL 07


Majority are older games, but fun if you haven't played them before. Games I'm looking for in return are really anything, from easy achievements to fun stuff. I'm not hardcore anal about my games being scratched, but these games will most likely be traded to others on CAG, so, if possible, the game should be kept in the utmost care. Once we get both our games back, I'll give 'Game Lending' rep.

My games will be shipped First Class inside a CD Case with some padding so it doesn't break during transit. Other person should do the same, so their own game doesn't break during transit.' I will keep other person's game in my utmost care, and once done, will ship it back in the same CD Case they provided, with padding too if they didn't provide any.

Quick, easy, and painless.
 
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[quote name='Chronotrigga']Games I'm willing to lend for 1-2 weeks:
Assassins Creed
Mass Effect
GTA IV
GRAW 2
Halo 3
Dead Rising
Beautiful Katamari
Fallout 3 (I'll be glad to exchange this for Fable 2)
CoD:WaW
Gears of War 2
DDR Universe
Viva Pinata
Burnout Paradise
NBA 07/NFL 07


Majority are older games, but fun if you haven't played them before. Games I'm looking for in return are really anything, from easy achievements to fun stuff. I'm not hardcore anal about my games being scratched, but these games will most likely be traded to others on CAG, so, if possible, the game should be kept in the utmost care. Once we get both our games back, I'll give 'Game Lending' rep.

My games will be shipped First Class inside a CD Case with some padding so it doesn't break during transit. Other person should do the same, so their own game doesn't break during transit.' I will keep other person's game in my utmost care, and once done, will ship it back in the same CD Case they provided, with padding too if they didn't provide any.

Quick, easy, and painless.[/quote]

Looks like a good list, and shows that CAGs aren't entirely against lending out newer games they aren't actively playing.

Again though, let's wait for formal approval and stickying of the idea in the 360 forum before starting to trade. I asked CheapyD and Wombat their thoughts on the idea, and CheapyD sent me back the following:

Sounds good. There may be a way to integrate this with the upcoming trading system we are launching soon.

~CD
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Super Programmer John also seems to be pretty hyped up about the idea as well, so it isn't entirely out of the question to think that "Lender" & "Borrower" feedback would be integrated into the iTrading system at some point.

That being said, let's wait until the formal system is in place and approved before lending. I'd rather have everything under the umbrella of the iTrading system and CAG admins instead of jumping the gun and letting a few things fall through the cracks.

~HotShotX
 
This idea can go both ways and to the extremes at that. A very smart idea where handled properly can save many CAGs a lot of money and provide some new experiences but there are so many places where it can go wrong.

I can really only see this working with a smaller amount of people because with more people involved then the bigger the chance something will go wrong and the whole idea crumbles but it won't be a success without the bigger crowd behind it. So this is why I bring up this idea (don't know if anybody has already mentioned this as I've only read the first and last pages):

I can see groups being a possibly better format for this. Something along the lines of how the PSN groups are done. 4-5 people who discuss what games they want to try out next where some groups will focus on older games and others on the higher-end.

This will allow more trust to build within that small circle though borrowing multiples times with the same people and in the future once enough groups have enough credibility, removing those group limits and allowing free form borrowing between the previous members as everybody will have others to back there credibility up with.

And for those who don't want to be apart of a group for whatever reasons (the biggest being that it will probably be slower) can still borrow and lend as they see fit as we don't have the ability to actually make anybody stay within certain limits, but they won't have that reassurance.

I'm not one to be able to get my ideas out onto a forum quite well specially without a lot of time of thinking on the subject so there are no doubts holes in this idea as well, but it's just something else to consider.
 
I've been thinking about doing this a long time as well. I'd think the method mentioned by ChronaTrigga would work much better.


If a small group, like 4 people, are interested in doing this with me pm me please. Only people with more than 30 iTrader.
 
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If enough people are interested, i'll buy a dozen or so plastic cases and ship them out to people (at cost, no profit). There are two choices below, feel free to chime in with a preference (and if you would want one).

Personally, i prefer the Soft Plastic Trim Line DVD Case because of it's size/durability/price. 24 would cost roughly $10 with shipping so the price would be ~$0.42 + shipping...about $1.50 for something you can reuse. And if people want more than 1, say so and i can order 3 or 4 dozen.

EDIT: 48 Trim Line Cases (4 dozen) would cost $17 shipped, or about $0.36 per case + shipping.
 
[quote name='SynGamer']If enough people are interested, i'll buy a dozen or so plastic cases and ship them out to people (at cost, no profit). There are two choices below, feel free to chime in with a preference (and if you would want one).

Personally, i prefer the Soft Plastic Trim Line DVD Case because of it's size/durability/price. 24 would cost roughly $10 with shipping so the price would be ~$0.42 + shipping...about $1.50 for something you can reuse. And if people want more than 1, say so and i can order 3 or 4 dozen.

EDIT: 48 Trim Line Cases (4 dozen) would cost $17 shipped, or about $0.36 per case + shipping.[/quote]

IMO, these kinds of cases are best way to cut down on shipping costs. I prefer the Thin Paks though, just because they seem more secure.
 
I don't think buying cases are necessary, unless you seriously don't have one, and even then, just scalp/ask one from a friend. One is really all you need, because you re-use them. When you ship your game out to someone, then they ship it back using your same CD Case (unless CD Case cracks). So, if you want some super duper heavy utility CD Case for your worthy games, then so be it, because you will get the same case back.

You only need one, and I think everyone has at least one CD case lying around somewhere. If they don't, like I said, you can always ask a friend. I doubt one of your friends would go ape shit because you asked for a CD Case, and seriously, they probably wouldn't care.
 
[quote name='Chronotrigga']I don't think buying cases are necessary, unless you seriously don't have one, and even then, just scalp/ask one from a friend. One is really all you need, because you re-use them. When you ship your game out to someone, then they ship it back using your same CD Case (unless CD Case cracks). So, if you want some super duper heavy utility CD Case for your worthy games, then so be it, because you will get the same case back.

You only need one, and I think everyone has at least one CD case lying around somewhere. If they don't, like I said, you can always ask a friend. I doubt one of your friends would go ape shit because you asked for a CD Case, and seriously, they probably wouldn't care.[/quote]
My problem with CD cases is that the plastic is hard and can break rather easily. The ones i linked to are a soft plastic that won't break easily but will still protect the game.
 
Wow, great idea HotShotX (and SynGamer for the lending which lead to this).

I am very interested. Typically, I borrow games from friends but they have a limited selection, so this at least sounds perfect. Lately I've been selling games only to buy ones of the same value or simply trading, which leads to zip profit (so borrowing is a better value). For what it's worth, I only play through a game (story completion, not 100%) once and usually call it quits anyways.

As for the thin dvd cases, it's unreal that they were mentioned as my dad got some this Black Friday from Sam's Club. Saving on shipping is a great idea, being thrifty is the way to be!

Question: Are we including backwards compatible xbox (1) games?
 
[quote name='Foo228']Question: Are we including backwards compatible xbox (1) games?[/quote]

As far as I know, no XBox 1 games have achievements, or any particular tracking in the 360's system, making it difficult for a lender to determine whether a borrower is finished or even actively playing their game. So I'd say no at this time.

~HotShotX
 
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