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ok last time to post about it , lowered the prices again

PS4 Phantom of my main: [ Contains ] SOLD

Oddworld: New 'n' Tasty
Rogue Legacy
MouseCraft
Another World
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all PS4 PS Plus games . available til 01/13/2016

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PS3 Phantom of my main: [ Contains ] SOLD

The Wold Among Us ( Season Pass )
The Walking Dead Season 2 ( Season Pass )
Rambo The Video Game
Enslaved:Odyssey to the west
Minecraft:playstation 3 Edition
Payday 2
Abyss Odyssey
Papo & Yo
Tokyo Jungle
Forest Legends:The Call of Love
Magus
Master Reboot
Crysis 3
Beer Pong!
Ethan: Meteor Hunter
Brothers:a Tale of Two Sons
ibb & obb
Cloudberry Kingdom
Dragon's Crown
Do Not Fall
Stealth Inc:A Clone in the Dark
Mamorukun Curse!
R.I.P.D:The Game
Alice Madness Returns
Pool Nation
Hotline Miami
Storm
Giana Sisters:Twisted Dreams
Urban Trial Freestyle
Remeber Me
Mountain Requital
God Mode
Guacamelee
Psych Youself
Bit.Trio Runner 2
Assassin's Creed 3
Resident Evil 6
Of Orcs and Men
Injustice:Gods Among Us - Season Pass ( not the game )
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PS Plus games avaiable til 01/13/2016

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PS3 Resells:

Sniper Elite 3 + Grid Autosport [ UK Account ] ( both are base game only with no dlc ) 2x Resells =  ea , i guess its a very nice offer SOLD

Rocksmith 2014 = $3

 
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LF: Destiny PS4 if someeone wants to make a group and host let me know plz
LF: Fifa 15 PS4 and lets make a group for this as well
Slots phantom or resell dont matter to me.
 
Anyone else not able to connect to PSN? Getting error 8071053D. I looked online and it said PSN was intermittently available. Just curious since no one else is reporting not being able to connect.
 
YoungTaylor said:
LF: Destiny PS4 if someeone wants to make a group and host let me know plz
LF: Fifa 15 PS4 and lets make a group for this as well
Slots phantom or resell dont matter to me.
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I would like both of those games too.

I can take a destiny resell and FIFA 15 phantom. I can host

Also - selling $50 PSN credit for $45 PM me please! ( 2x $20 1x $10 )
 
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I wish ps4 phantoms were cheaper. Seems kind of wack that if a person spends $10 more they can resell and get up to $35 back. But I guess if it was a 20/40 split no groups would ever get filled. Guess I gotta start saving or hope people are lookin to timeshare new releases.. first world problems

 
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Pravado said:
I wish ps4 phantoms were cheaper. Seems kind of wack that if a person spends $10 more they can resell and get up to $35 back. But I guess if it was a 20/40 split no groups would ever get filled. Guess I gotta start saving or hope people are lookin to timeshare new releases.. first world problems
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I might start doing that... I don't want to have zero games to access, so might just get my own ps4 library built up and just let em get rented out till I actually get a PS4

 
Current Having:
All slots are non sellables COD Ghosts PS3 And PS4 BO2 Season Pass And 5-6 camos Farcry Blood Dragon Minecraft With Skinpacks  Borderlands 2 NBA 2K14  Bioshock Infinite Metrolastlight   Deadspace3    Batman Arkham City     Borderlands 2    Uncharted 3  Saints Row 3  PVS Garden Warfare Fifa 14  Hitman Absolution  Grid 2  Tomb raider
                                                         Currently looking for
Farcry 4 Phantom , BO2 , TLOU , A good 3rd person shooter!
         

 
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Rentals are my jam if you can get them. I'm not much of a completionist (Unless the game just really grabs me) so I can pick up a game for 3-4 weeks for generally 5 bucks or less.

 
darkangel786 said:
Current Having: [ spoiler ] All slots are non sellables COD Ghosts PS3 And PS4 10$ BO2 Season Pass And 5-6 camos Farcry Blood Dragon Minecraft With Skinpacks Borderlands 2 Infamous Festival Of blood NBA 2K14 Bioshock Infinite Metro Last Light Deadspace 3 Batman Arkham City Borderlands 2 Uncharted 3 Saints Row 3 NFS Most Wanted 2013 Crysis 3 Grid 2 Tomb Raider 2013 PVS Garden Warfare Fifa 14 Hitman Absolution [ /spoiler ] I am currently looking for: TLOU + DLC Preffered Sniper elite 3 Farcry4 Phantom Battlefield4. PP , psn codes and ps plus codes are also preffered
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This seems like it was a list that was being posted by someone else yesterday. And who would have guessed? Only one post, signed up last night. Red flag for me.

 
If anyone wants a phantom spot in a already paid off group of Oddworld New n Tasty for ps3 (costs $5) hit me up. Also need someone to replace me in a group for a phantom of Diablo 3 for ps4 ($25).
 
Plants Vs. Zombies Garden Warfare (PS4). Comes out tuesday.

Resellable - $25:

Phantom - $15: Jersiah

Please PM me if interested, thanks.

 
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I thought of 2 neat pricing structures for ps4 games, not sure how much interest there is in it though

Option 1:

Resell: 60%

Phantom: 40%

so on a $60 game it'd break down like this

Resell: $36

Phantom: $24

Then to break down the resell further, we get a timeshare queue going, figure 10% of the cost of the resell per week, so in this case, $3.60 per week

The group will look like this

Resell: $36

- Week 1: user 1 - $3.60

- Week 2: user 2 - $3.60

- etc etc until week 10, or as many weeks as the resell wants to timeshare it

Phantom - $24

This would work best with making people take it out at least 2 weeks at a time, with the inability to take 4 weeks in a row. So if someone wanted to take weeks 1 and 2, and also weeks 5 and 6, they could do so. This means only up to 5 people touch the account as opposed to 10, less risk.

Option 2:

An alternative is also possibly doing small discounts for people who take it out later. Maybe start it at 20% for first two weeks, and subtract 3% of the cost for every 2 weeks thereafter.

An example of how that would work

Destiny (PS4) - $60

Resell: $36

- Week 1 + 2 - Pravado ($7.20) (20%)

- Week 3 + 4 - user #2 ($6.12) (17%)

- Week 5 + 6 - user #3 ($5.04) (14%)

- Week 7 + 8 - Pravado ($3.96) (11%)

- Week 9 + 10 - user #3 ($2.88) (8%)

- Resell owner - user #5 ($10.8) (remaining 30%) - gets access to game in 2.5 months

Phantom: $24

Of course, resells can limit the # of weeks they want to wait, but they'd pay more of the cost

Timesharers pay before the game comes out, just like a normal group. No refunds/people backing out once paid, otherwise the system breaks. If the resell holder only wants to timeshare it out for 5 weeks, the remaining 5 weeks cost comes out of their pocket. This works sort of like how people do timeshares for walking dead episodes.

This lowers the cost for a resell slot if the resell buyer doesn't need to play it right away, and even allows them to get the game for free if they're willing to wait 10 weeks to play it. Also lowers the cost for phantoms. It allows for people who don't want to spend $25+ on a game right away to borrow it for cheap if they're willing to wait a little bit.

However, this method will only work with extremely trusted and ACTIVE members, as slots HAVE to be deactivated on time. Resells should also be hosting, and not risking letting anyone borrow it they're not 110% sure is legit (it would screw them over too anyway). I think the best way to do it would be 2 weeks in a row minimum/maximum per person. This allows groups to get filled fast. Even if only 3 people decide they want to time share it, that allows a resell to only have to spend $14.40 to own a resell after waiting 1.5 months, or $0 to own a resell after 2.5 months, assuming they charge 20% per 2 weeks.

Let me know what you guys think. Pricing could always be tweaked, but the formula is what I'm interested in thoughts on.

 
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Pravado said:
I thought of a neat pricing structure for ps4 games, not sure how much interest there is in it though

Basically:

Resell: 60%

Phantom: 40%

so on a $60 game it'd break down like this

Resell: $36

Phantom: $24

Then to break down the resell further, we get a timeshare queue going, figure 10% of the cost of the resell per week, so in this case, $3.60 per week

The group will look like this

Resell: $36

- Week 1: user 1 - $3.60

- Week 2: user 2 - $3.60

- etc etc until week 10, or as many weeks as the resell wants to timeshare it

Phantom - $24

Timesharers pay before the game comes out, just like a normal group. No refunds/people backing out once paid, otherwise the system breaks. If the resell holder only wants to timeshare it out for 5 weeks, the other 50% of the cost comes out of their pocket.

If you know you will want a game for more than a week, you have to book that extra week or two in advance, no "taking out again" right away as other people will be added to the queue below you. Someone could book a few weeks in a row, and then someone can join in after them. Sort of like how people do timeshares for walking dead episodes.

This lowers the cost for a resell slot if the resell buyer doesn't need to play it right away, and even allows them to get the game for free if they're willing to wait 10 weeks to play it. It allows for people who don't want to spend $20+ on a game right away to borrow it for cheap if they're willing to wait a little bit. However, this method will only work with extremely trusted and ACTIVE members, as slots HAVE to be deactivated on time. Resells should also be hosting, and not risking letting anyone borrow it they're not 110% sure is legit (it would screw them over too anyway). I think the best way to do it would be 2 weeks in a row minimum/maximum per person. This allows groups to get filled fast. Even if only 3 people decide they want to time share it, that allows a resell to only have to spend $14.40 to own a resell after waiting 1.5 months.

An alternative is also possibly doing small discounts for people who take it out later. Maybe start it at 20% for first two weeks, and subtract 3% of the cost for every 2 weeks thereafter.

An example of how that would work

Destiny (PS4) - $60

Resell: $36

- Week 1 + 2 - Pravado ($7.20) (20%)

- Week 3 + 4 - user #2 ($6.12) (17%)

- Week 5 + 6 - user #3 ($5.04) (14%)

- Week 7 + 8 - Pravado ($3.96) (11%)

- Week 9 + 10 - user #3 ($2.88) (8%)

- Resell owner - user #5 ($10.8) (remaining 30%) - gets access to game in 2.5 months

Phantom: $24

Let me know what you guys think
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I think were getting a little complicated here. Its up to the owner of the resell if they want to timeshare or not. Its also up to them to set a competitive price. I think the current price structure works just fine for the resell, if anything its the phantom that has the more expensive place, not the resell.

 
Yeah, I'm obviously not saying every group has to do that. The traditional method will still be taken up by people who don't want to bother.

It's simply an option to lower the cost for resells for people who don't need the game right away, lowers cost for phantom slots, and allows people to timeshare most new games for relatively cheap. It's not complicated at all if you're capable of doing middle school level addition and multiplication.

Mikey115 said:
Whats the typical depriciation rate of a ps4 resell? Is there a guage to it or just kind of sell it for whatever someone is willing to pay?
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You make the price. Not a lot of depreciation on most shares, but some people have trouble selling shares for even a fraction of the cost they paid for older titles.

@gannikus, no it's every 6 months. If you didn't sell any, you can only get one now, and one six months from when you make that phantom.

 
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Pravado said:
Yeah, I'm obviously not saying every group has to do that. The traditional method will still be taken up by people who don't want to bother.

It's simply an option to lower the cost for resells, phantoms, and allows people to timeshare most new games for relatively cheap. It's not complicated at all.
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What I meant by complicated is, its more complicated than the current "Buy the game, download the game, transaction complete" method we have going on now.

 
ThEliteOne said:
What I meant by complicated is, its more complicated than the current "Buy the game, download the game, transaction complete" method we have going on now.
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Of course it is. But it also results in things being cheaper for everyone, meaning the complication isn't pointless and unwarranted. It's a hybrid of a traditional method and a timeshare. If you don't want to use those options, you can make a group with the traditional method, nobody is stopping you.

 
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Reiter34 said:
I personally like that a lot, but I think a $40/$20 split is more fair.
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As someone who has never purchased a phantom, I agree with this, but there is no incentive for the resell when they can get the physical game around that price.

Mikey115 said:
Whats the typical depriciation rate of a ps4 resell? Is there a guage to it or just kind of sell it for whatever someone is willing to pay?
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There is no such thing as depreciation. The only things you have to take into account are any price drops in physical or digital, what other sellers are asking for (if there are any sellers to begin with), how badly you want to sell it and how badly the buyer wants it. So, for example, if someone is looking to buy a resell a month after a game released and the game has had no price drops and you're the only one selling, then there is no reason why you can't attempt to sell it for $35.

Gannikus said:
So if I got a game that came out Nov 2013, Am I able to sell 2 phantoms with my resell? (I'm host)
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I'll PM you, but from what it sounds like, no.


ThEliteOne said:
I think were getting a little complicated here. Its up to the owner of the resell if they want to timeshare or not. Its also up to them to set a competitive price. I think the current price structure works just fine for the resell, if anything its the phantom that has the more expensive place, not the resell.
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Same here.

 
Raiborg said:
As someone who has never purchased a phantom, I agree with this, but there is no incentive for the resell when they can get the physical game around that price.
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There is an incentive though. If you get a resell and finish the game in a few days, you can turn right around and sell that for almost exactly what you paid for it. You can't do that with physical copies. Even with all the BBY discounts for GCU, I believe new copies of games run about $48 plus tax. Most trade in spots will get you $30ish back within a very small time frame of the release date.

The other incentive, that it know you're familiar with, is that you can timeshare that resell slot to make some of the money back. And then you can still sell it when you're done. I know there are a few members here who "phantom" out their resell slots if they don't intend to play the game for six months. Then in six months they're resetting the account, selling another actual phantom and either playing it themselves or doing another fake phantom for six more months. There are a lot of incentives for resell slot holders on PS4, especially since only one person owns that account.
 
Pravado said:
Of course it is. But it also results in things being cheaper for everyone, meaning the complication isn't pointless and unwarranted. It's a complicated hybrid of a traditional method and a timeshare. If you don't want to use those options, you can make a group with the traditional method, nobody is stopping you.
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I dont even own a PS4 yet as there is nothing I really need to have on PS4 yet, so your new hybrid method you just thought up hardly effects me. Im just letting you know what I think, caused you asked people what they thought. I think the current method works just fine, and the method you came up with, while a nice idea, complicates it more than I like. Especially as a trophy hunter where most games now come out with DLC, I like to just own a copy of the game. The whole thing where 10 different people get onto the account for a week at a time and the resell waits to play the game seems like it could spawn a legion of scammers who nab the games and change the passwords on people who were impatient to rent out a slot.

Most games that come out these days anyway already have people with resells who are willing to timeshare them out.

 
ThEliteOne said:
I dont even own a PS4 yet as there is nothing I really need to have on PS4 yet, so your new hybrid method you just thought up hardly effects me. Im just letting you know what I think, caused you asked people what they thought. I think the current method works just fine, and the method you came up with, while a nice idea, complicates it more than I like. Especially as a trophy hunter where most games now come out with DLC, I like to just own a copy of the game. The whole thing where 10 different people get onto the account for a week at a time and the resell waits to play the game seems like it could spawn a legion of scammers who nab the games and change the passwords on people who were impatient to rent out a slot.

Most games that come out these days anyway already have people with resells who are willing to timeshare them out.
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Most PS4 games do not have timeshares, although a handful do. If more did, I wouldn't have even bothered with this. Phantoms are also expensive as hell, which is where the basis for all this came. Regarding scammers, again, It would be 5 people at most touching an account, and they would all have to be 100% trustworthy members, including the host. People could always back out of the group before paying if they don't trust a member of the group or whatever, but we have enough trustworthy and active regulars to be able to make this worth trying out if people are interested.

Appreciate the feedback

Also, two new additions to the library today: Transistor and Child of Light (PS4).

 
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I buy a lot of phantoms, and do find 25 a little steep as there is no flexibility or a way to recoup that money, where as a resell can sell the slot or timeshare it out. With 40$/20$ I do think the 40$ is getting close to a physical price, however I think there would still be a lot of people willing to save 10-20$ And gameshare it. If anything.. Down the line the resell slot could sell the share for 20$ and both parties would end up having paid the same for the game.. with the resell having to front more cash for the flexibility options (timeshare, user count, hdd space etc) . Because I buy a lot of PS4 phantoms, I will soon have to pick and choose which slots to nuke from my HDD to make room for newer games.. Which sucks because they all cost 25$ Each.
 
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as someone who typically doesn't do phantoms I'm not a fan of the 40/20 split.  With deals etc you can often find a game close to that price at launch or shortly after.  I understand that phantoms are more expensive and for people that only buy phantoms it sucks.  There was a lot of talk about pricing when the PS4 came out, and the consensus then was 35/25, which I personally agree with.  It has been working for 9 months, and I personally don't see a reason to change now.

There seem to be lots of people selling PSN cards below cost, I would suggest phantoms actively look for those to help offset the price.  As a host I have absolutely no problems (I actually prefer them) with accepting them as payment.

 
Some of you are misinterpreting what I said. I can't force you to use any formula for sharing. If you want to use the typical 35/25 split, go right ahead. I'm merely providing an option to those that seek the alternative. Nobody is changing anything and nobody has the right to force anyone to use a specific pricing structure. I want that to be clear. We are a self-governed community, there is no single person in charge.

 
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Is all this fuss really over lowering the price of a phantom down a dollar and explaining how to use resells as timeshares more effectively? I don't get it lol.

It'd be a lot cooler if more timeshares were available imo and I usually buy phantoms so I think it's a pretty cool idea.
 
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Selling: 
(PS3 resell)
Assassins Creed Freedom Cry Standalone - $3
Stick it to the Man - $1
 
(PS3 phantoms)
The Amazing Spider-Man 2 - $5
Abyss Odyssey - $2
Deception IV: Blood Ties - $7 
The Witch and The Hundred Knight - $6
Battle Princess of Arcadias - $4
Hakuoki: Stories of the Shinsengumi - $3 
Yaiba: Ninja Gaiden Z - $7 
WRC 3 - $3
Child of Eden, Vandal Hearts: Flames of Judgement - $4
Warriors: Legends of Troy - $3
Tales of Graces F (Knight Edition) - $6
Babel Rising, Eat Them - $2
Metro Last Light All DLC - $2
 
(PS4 phantoms)
Thief - $12
Knack - $9
FIFA 14 - $8
NBA 2K14 - $8
 
Available for timeshare (prices are per week) or phantom (PM for price)
- Hakouki - $1
- The Wolf Among Us - $1
- Playstation Battle Royale DLC - $1
- Playstation Battle Royale DLC - $0.5
- The Raven: Legacy of the Master Thief -$1
- Brave - $1
- Valiant Hearts: The Great War (PS3) - $1
- Bodycount - $1
- Magic 2014 + DLC - $1
- Saints Row 4 Season Pass - $0.5
- Saints Row 4 - $1    
- Kingdom of Amalur DLC - $1
- Bioshock Season Pass - $1 
- Metro Last Light DLC - $1
- The Darkness 2 - $1   
- Castlevania Lords of Shadow 2 DLC (Revelations) - $0.5
- Game of Thrones - $1
- Tour de France 2013 - $1
- Papo & Yo - $0.5
- Doki Doki Universe (PS3 or PS4)  - $0.5
- Lone Survivor - $0.5
- Mad Riders + DLC - $0.5
- Ride to Hell: Retribution - $0.5
- Captain Morgane and the Golden Turtle - $1
- Strider (PS3) - $1
- Mafia II DLC - $1
- NFS: The Run DLC - $0.5 
- Far Cry Classic - $0.5
- AC4 Season Pass - $1 (PS3)
- Terraria - $1
- The Walking Dead: Survival Instinct - $1
- Another World (PS3) - $0.5
- Magrunner: Dark Pulse - $1
- Star Raiders - $0.5
- Beer Pong - Free
- Toki Tori - Free
 
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kvntwvlf said:
Is all this fuss really over lowering the price of a phantom down a dollar and explaining how to use resells as timeshares more effectively? I don't get it lol.

It'd be a lot cooler if more timeshares were available imo and I usually buy phantoms so I think it's a pretty cool idea.
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The pricing was an example. Phantom prices could easily be lowered by adjusting the timesharing prices. It's not basic timesharing, as people would pay before the group is completed rather than someone renting it out afterwards. Less money for the resell to spend up front, and they know how many people are guaranteed to want to timeshare it. It also opens up more games to timeshare because there are only a handful of ps4 timeshares available still. There is no "fuss" just people stating their opinions.

 
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ChalupaBatman said:
Doesnt the resell also get a locked phantom though?
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There are 2 problems with locked phantoms as I understand it

1) There are a LOT of trophy whores/hunters here, and with a LP you can't earn trophies on your main.

2) The LP owner has to know the password to the account at all times. So there is a pretty large level of trust involved.

 
Sadly, my dad will not be able to partake in my parties for Plants Vs Zombies next week due to insignificant HDD space :( (he's still running on that old phat 40GB). So, I'll be selling a phantom still for $5. I'll probably run out later and grab him a physical copy or just let him use my ps3.

TL;DR -  Plants Vs. Zombies: Garden Warfare PS3 phantom slot for $5

EDIT: Yay it's only 2.9GB (PS3)... was lookin at the ps4 section.

 
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Azazael13 said:
There are 2 problems with locked phantoms as I understand it

1) There are a LOT of trophy whores/hunters here, and with a LP you can't earn trophies on your main.

2) The LP owner has to know the password to the account at all times. So there is a pretty large level of trust involved.
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Oh I know, but resells can basically let a trusted friend play with them if they want to, like a rl friend, brother, roommate etc.

 
Next week's releases 8/19-

Gravity Badgers(Vita)

Hotline Miami(PS4, cross-buy)

Kung Fu Rabbit(PS3)

The Last Tinker(PS4)

PvZ: Garden Warfare(PS4,PS3)

Diablo 3: UEE(PS4, PS3)

Sword Art Online(Vita)

Tales of Xillia 2(PS3)

 
Reiter34 said:
I think a $40/$20 split is more fair.
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catspit said:
I buy a lot of phantoms, and do find 25 a little steep as there is no flexibility or a way to recoup that money, where as a resell can sell the slot or timeshare it out. With 40$/20$ I do think the 40$ is getting close to a physical price, however I think there would still be a lot of people willing to save 10-20$ And gameshare it. If anything.. Down the line the resell slot could sell the share for 20$ and both parties would end up having paid the same for the game.. with the resell having to front more cash for the flexibility options (timeshare, user count, hdd space etc) . Because I buy a lot of PS4 phantoms, I will soon have to pick and choose which slots to nuke from my HDD to make room for newer games.. Which sucks because they all cost 25$ Each.
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I think it really sucks paying $25 for a phantom but honestly like Raiborg said, it is really close to the price we can get for a hardcopy. Honestly if the price were changed to the 40/20 structure, you would definitely see fewer resells joining in besides the ones who regularly rent out their shares

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Next week's releases 8/19-

Gravity Badgers(Vita)

Hotline Miami(PS4, cross-buy)

Kung Fu Rabbit(PS3)

The Last Tinker(PS4)

PvZ: Garden Warfare(PS4,PS3)

Diablo 3: UEE(PS4, PS3)

Sword Art Online(Vita)

Tales of Xillia 2(PS3)
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Yuh totally getting SAO

 
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