CAG PSN Gamesharing #9 - Find/Create a Gameshare Group and Gameshare FAQ

Turk February said:
This issue sure has brought the crowd back hasn't it?

Thinking we should have a thread for timeshares specifically. Closed membership of course. What would the requirements be for membership? Vouch system a la Pravado's system or successful transactions? I'm just spitballing a few ideas here, no idea if this is a feasible idea or not...
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Why not just use this thread?

 
smtipple said:
I just don't need all of yall taking QDizzles rentals from me. Work it out amongst yourselves, but to add to the topic, having the access to timesharing should absolutely be gated in someway. Personal vouches would be ideal. Anyone can pad transactions if they want to gain access to locked areas. I did it in GTZ to gain access to their gameshare forum, people will do it here.
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Full game price plus up front rental fees would be reasonable, even newcomers could partake with zero feedback.
 
In my opinion rental fees are even worst than phantoms. If gamesharing goes that way, activations will be limited to few per year - just like on XBone.

 
Just to share the experience of my gaming group with this group. We have been regularly sharing within our group for a while now.

I had 2 phantoms (TLOU, Diablo III), haven't lost access yet. Never changed any settings, have auto updates on and have used rest mode.

User 1 (Canada) - Lost FIFA 15 and BF Hardline phantoms Friday.

On Saturday, I deactivated FIFA and took the phantom, sent resell back to him. My newly created third phantom was OK as of last night.

User 2 - Lost GTA V phantom. HIS PS3 PHANTOMS WERE ALSO LOCKED.

User 3 - (Canada) - Hasn't lost access to his phantoms yet.

I haven't read any other PS3 lock reports here. Can anybody here who was locked out of their shares on PS4 test to see if they are locked out their PS3 phantoms, too?

Like others, just waiting to see the final result of all this.

GeeWiz said:
Now this concerns me. What if they decide to do the same for PS3 phantoms?
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GeeWiz said:
Now this concerns me. What if they decide to do the same for PS3 phantoms?
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Its going to happen eventually. My guess would be all the share renting that has been going on lately placed a target squarely on game sharing's back. Accounts changing hands that many times was bound to draw attention. Honestly, I'm surprised Sony let this continue as long as it did. It was good while it lasted people, just try to remember the good ol days. NO REGRETS!

 
Rentals are perfect for me personally. I could pay 25 for a Phantom I'll beat in 2-3 weeks and then just have it sitting there taking up hard drive space. Or I can pay 2-3 bucks a week and have the same use out of it I would have if I paid 25 but I only spent 10 bucks on average.
 
Lashley said:
Why not just use this thread?
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Because the thread is public and open to anyone. If timeshares are gonna be the new "thing" and we all agree trust is the biggest must, it needs to be kept organized and out of the public eye.

That said, for the time being at least, I submit my list of available timeshares:

Saints Row IV & Gat Out Of Hell- $1 per week

Battlefield Hardline- $3 per week (unless someone's actually looking to buy at this point...)

 
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If even ps3 phantoms get lost too this must be a mistake, whats next? Ps1? Sony recently changed domains of the store which may have lead to errors in the authorization process.

So its possible the authorization servers couldn´t be reached for a certain amount of time that leads to these problems.

Even phantoms you are completely and permantely logged out of, will do a licence check every time you turn on your ps4 and theres internet. Now to our disadvantage and bad luck a technical issue with these servers may have led to all this trouble.

As for ebay and the sellers there, Sony would just make ebay end it if they were aware of it. Its breaking Sony licences and TOS clearly.

 
TNSmokey98 said:
I understand the collateral aspect. But say if you rent a game for a week or over being out potentially $60+ for that time is kind of a turn off.
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I get that, I do. But I also would expect and have no problem with putting down full price plus rental fees if need be. I understand some may not have the cash on hand? but if someone did have the cash and would rather buy the physical disc instead, this wouldn't make sense in my opinion. The idea of collateral is no different than keeping the cash in your bank account, you get the cash back once the game is returned.

Another added plus why this is a good idea in my opinion is like somebody said, where there are too few games to go around, this alternative will be available to those who are interested.

 
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Turk February said:
Because the thread is public and open to anyone. If timeshares are gonna be the new "thing" and we all agree trust is the biggest must, it needs to be kept organized and out of the public eye.

That said, for the time being at least, I submit my list of available timeshares:

Saints Row IV & Gat Out Of Hell- $1 per week

Battlefield Hardline- $3 per week (unless someone's actually looking to buy at this point...)
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I offer $25 for BF Hardline resell slot.
 
Pravado said:
All my phantoms are gone too, they were working an hour ago and I shut the ps4 down completely as I have been the past few days. I lost so many games, a good amount of which I bought in the past month

WWE 2k15

Evil Within

Dying Light

Bloodborne

Borderlands Collection

Battlefield Hardline

Destiny

Dragon Age

Far Cry 4

Final Fantasy Type 0

Metro 2033

Metro LL

White Night

If anyone has resells of these for sale let me know please (esp destiny + bloodborne)

This is the end of gamesharing. I'm fucking pissed. It looks like Sony has caught on and is manually banning accounts (it was only a matter of time with how many people were just carefree about spreading info on how to create phantoms thinking there would be no blowback if the wrong ppl found out - this caused an uprising in people selling accounts on ebay and such)

If this was a hardware/software thing it would affect everyone at the same time, wouldn't be just randomly doing it for people relating to shutting down the console a certain way or anything. I mean, it's possible but incredibly unlikely it's a software thing, I think sony is just manually doing this.

Anyone who this hasn't affected, disconnect your PS4 from the internet if you want to save your phantoms.
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in regards to the banning accounts; perhaps we should get in contact with the resell owners to see if their accounts are actually banned.

Usuyami said:
Looks like it's the perfect time to come out of retirement and help out in whatever way I can.

So far, all of my PS4 phantoms are still working, including the latest Bloodborne (speaking of which I still have the resell for this so PM me if you want it).

My main account is activated on my system with the current settings:

  • All "Automatic Downloads and Uploads" settings under System is enabled.
  • All "Set Functions Available in Rest Mode" settings under Power Save Settings are enabled.
  • The "Log In to PS4 Automatically" feature is turned off.
I always put my PS4 in rest/suspend mode and only power off when I'm bringing it over to a friend's house. Model CUH-1001A (bought at launch).

Still need confirmation from sgand but according to him, an AC4 phantom I sold him recently has been locked. The interesting thing though is that I never got around to changing the password and deactivating him yet. Won't speculate on this further until he confirms the lock once he gets home.

The most important thing we can do right now is figure out what is triggering these locks. From the admittedly little research I've done (blame Bloodborne), there doesn't seem to be any pattern. Some change from the firmware update is highly suspect but why are some people unaffected? If we can recreate the lockout with consistency, we can figure out what is happening.

Worst case scenario, Sony is doing the locks manually and there's nothing we can do about it. Push comes to shove, we will figure out another way to play games for cheap. IIRC, Boosted set up a PS4 subscription service a while back. Is that still going? Might be a viable option worth exploring but let's focus on what is causing the locks for now.
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Sorry it had to come to this drastic measure to see your return but good to have you back (even if temporary)

On day 1 I had my phantoms but unfortunately yesterday I lost all mines. Sucks but tis life...Maybe this is just something thats being pushed and hunted for a couple of weeks and it will die back down

 
Want:

PS4 The Crew resell

Have:

PS3 Risen 3 resell $2

Rentals:

PS4 Resident Evil Revelations 2  $1/week (out until 4/4)

PS3 Resident Evil Revelations 2  $1/week 

 
Kennaah said:
I see a lot of people who own a phantom of either bloodborne and/or Battlefield hardline lose their phantoms.

Just to see if those games could be held accountable
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No. It's not specific games that are removed, it's all games on a system. I lost games that have no following whatsoever like White Night. Either something in the system is deactivating the phantoms randomly when you turn the system on (when you try to remove them theres no activation warning) (unlikely imo), or sony has a way to check for phantoms now and is remotely deactivating phantom accounts somehow

 
Pravado said:
No. It's not specific games that are removed, it's all games on a system. I lost games that have no following whatsoever like White Night. Either something in the system is deactivating the phantoms randomly when you turn the system on (when you try to remove them theres no activation warning) (unlikely imo), or sony has a way to check for phantoms now and is remotely deactivating phantom accounts somehow
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I was more thinking in line of
The system checks if there is a bloodborne/Hardline phantom and if yes check the rest of the system on other phantoms.

Just a theory.

 
Kennaah said:
I was more thinking in line of
The system checks if there is a bloodborne/Hardline phantom and if yes check the rest of the system on other phantoms.

Just a theory.
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Doubtful. I hosted groups for each game. My Bloodborne phantom came in here and announced that he'd lost it, and my Hardline phantom told me he still had it. I really don't think that we're gonna figure this out, it seems too random. Seems like that customer service guy might actually know what he's talking about

 
Turk February said:
Doubtful. I hosted groups for each game. My Bloodborne phantom came in here and announced that he'd lost it, and my Hardline phantom told me he still had it. I really don't think that we're gonna figure this out, it seems too random. Seems like that customer service guy might actually know what he's talking about
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So it does exclude hardline as a plausible check, but is not yet excludable.

Just trying to make up some possibilities

 
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So I went through the posts since last Wednesday and made note of everyone who lost phantoms. *Don't ask me WHY or anything, just seems like a good idea to keep track in case someone thinks of something*

ayevenom
ProfessorStotch
The One82
rpg
MageShadow
enorris116
sgand
Pravado
wpress
Bigwig_Rah
drolan
whitnom4
killapigs
blabadon
captbeef
TNSmokey98
 
Anyone missing from this list?
 
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Turk February said:
So I went through the posts since last Wednesday and made note of everyone who lost phantoms. *Don't ask me WHY or anything, just seems like a good idea to keep track in case someone thinks of something*

ayevenom
ProfessorStotch
The One82
rpg
MageShadow
enorris116
sgand
Pravado
wpress
Lashley
Bigwig_Rah

Anyone missing from this list?
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*looks up 10 posts*

Me lol

 
Turk February said:
So I went through the posts since last Wednesday and made note of everyone who lost phantoms. *Don't ask me WHY or anything, just seems like a good idea to keep track in case someone thinks of something*

ayevenom
ProfessorStotch
The One82
rpg
MageShadow
enorris116
sgand
Pravado
wpress
Lashley
Bigwig_Rah
drolan

Anyone missing from this list?
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WOAH WOAH WOAH

I've lost NONE, but thanks for tempting fate!

 
I have lost none also but feel bad for the one that have lost them. I really think there is a logical explanation about all of this. I'm going to give until next week until I will start to think I'm safe. I have left my system online BTW.
 
Just a thought, but I'm wondering if the average person who did lose their phantoms had mainly phantoms than resells.

I have 2 phantoms and about 6 or 7 resells and my phantoms are safe as of now.

 
So Jeff and other former GW3 players, this update is awesome.  

Also looks like Ultimate mode counts towards your 1 mil geoms so now I won't have to really grind for it.

 
So resell accounts are now worth pretty much full price?  I'm willing to resell my Bloodborne resell for $50 since I beat it and have no time to go back and replay it.  I will rebuy it later for DLC and such though... If any regular CAG wants the resell for that price PM me.  I have no real problem keeping it but just thought I would throw it out for cheaper than full price if anyone was interested.

 
StarShadow said:
So resell accounts are now worth pretty much full price? I'm willing to resell my Bloodborne resell for $50 since I beat it and have no time to go back and replay it. I will rebuy it later for DLC and such though... If any regular CAG wants the resell for that price PM me. I have no real problem keeping it but just thought I would throw it out for cheaper than full price if anyone was interested.
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I'm not the type to regularly call people out but if you're not joking, that is a dick move selling a slot you bought for $36 for $50.

 
Turk February said:
So I went through the posts since last Wednesday and made note of everyone who lost phantoms. *Don't ask me WHY or anything, just seems like a good idea to keep track in case someone thinks of something*

ayevenom
ProfessorStotch
The One82
rpg
MageShadow
enorris116
sgand
Pravado
wpress
Bigwig_Rah
drolan

Anyone missing from this list?
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Anyone from this list willing to conduct an experiment with me? I have an account with flOw on it that we could use to try and recreate a lockout.

 
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