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Someone should try re-phantoming a phantom that got locked (should be possible if its been six months right?) and see what happens.
thanks a lotNah. It will format once it gets initialized.
Honestly that info sounds like bullshit to me. What do they mean by two people logged onto an account at the same time. Phantom downloads the game, activates the license and never touches the account again. Also "servers detected number of consoles connected to one account", there is only one console connected/activated on one account, the whole thing is about tricking your console to not realize that it's no longer primary.That's from some shady site where people talk about listing phantoms on eBay. Looks like it's bad news.
It doesn't work like that from the "admin's" side. What it assigned to a profile is not email and/or password, but the ID of a PSN account. While you have to type in these details to log into the account, the console simply checks the ID of the account, looks it up on the server and then compares the ID of the console listed as primary and the ID of your system. If they don't match, shit happens.Might be a stupid idea but I don't understand how can Sony know if you are a phantom or not if you change the email from the phantom account.
If it does indeed a server check on the account every few & then (not even looking for the password), then changing the email address of the PSN account that the phantom is from should prevent Sony from checking the account and see if you are a phantom or not.
Or, maybe they automatically disable the phantom if they can't "log in" to the account (and thus changing the email and/or password would disable it).
Has anyone tried changing the email and still got deactivated anyway ?
If this was the case, everyone should have lost their phantoms by now. I've done almost everything people have speculated on (played online, have auto upload turned on, earning trophies/synching trophies) and still have phantom access as of right now.Honestly that info sounds like bullshit to me. What do they mean by two people logged onto an account at the same time. Phantom downloads the game, activates the license and never touches the account again. Also "servers detected number of consoles connected to one account", there is only one console connected/activated on one account, the whole thing is about tricking your console to not realize that it's no longer primary.
If this really is a move by Sony to stop gamesharing then I'm pretty sure I know what they changed in the last update. Simply now whenever you connect your PS4 to the internet, every profile on your system with a PSN account attached to it connects to PS servers in the background and verifies whether your console ID is the one currently listed as primary. If it isn't your license is deactivated and the lovely padlocks appears over all your phantoms.
It is very saddening, but something as simple as that is all they had to do to put an end to this method of gamesharing.
I got you if you still need this.Does anybody have Borderlands TPS season pass for PS3 for rent?
I have done pretty much everything too and phantoms still work fine...If this was the case, everyone should have lost their phantoms by now. I've done almost everything people have speculated on (played online, have auto upload turned on, earning trophies/synching trophies) and still have phantom access as of right now.
That happened to me last night too (console getting shut off for no reason) and I couldn't figure out why it happened. I've been leaving my console in rest mode with the internet off to charge things but last night it was off for some reason, and there wasn't any sort of power loss at my house. I got the same system check but all my stuff is still good.Lost my only phantom today(^). Instead of going to rest mode when I fell asleep, my console turned off completely for some reason. Upon turning it back on, it prompted a system check or whatever and told me never unplug the power cable, yada, yada. And now no phantom. My friend and I both gave our Borderlands phantom to another friend and have played (all four of us) at the same time in the same game for about a week now, for what thats worth.
There could possibly still be a manual part involved in the process to test the system before they make it fully automatic. This way they can make sure they don't just deactivate half of the legit licenses. Also it could be the accounts having problem connecting with the server. We all know that network features on PS4 don't always work perfect. Often times I get padlocks over my resell games when I log onto my main and then they disappear after a while. Actually for some people phantoms got locked when a notification appeared about an update being downloaded. You mentioned trophies and playing online, however trophies are connected to your main and multiplayer is handled by the game's servers, not Sony. Downloading an update though, is handled entirely by PS servers and possibly by the phantom account as well.If this was the case, everyone should have lost their phantoms by now. I've done almost everything people have speculated on (played online, have auto upload turned on, earning trophies/synching trophies) and still have phantom access as of right now.
There is no such thing as legit licenses, the system was not made so you would deactivate your account on the website to put the same games on two consoles if you had them, but rater allowing to recover all your licenses in case some malfuction happened to your PS4 and you had to switch to a new console with out being able to deactivate your account in the old one, this way you can set your new PS4 to be the primary system of your account.There could possibly still be a manual part involved in the process to test the system before they make it fully automatic. This way they can make sure they don't just deactivate half of the legit licenses. Also it could be the accounts having problem connecting with the server. We all know that network features on PS4 don't always work perfect. Often times I get padlocks over my resell games when I log onto my main and then they disappear after a while. Actually for some people phantoms got locked when a notification appeared about an update being downloaded. You mentioned trophies and playing online, however trophies are connected to your main and multiplayer is handled by the game's servers, not Sony. Downloading an update though, is handled entirely by PS servers and possibly by the phantom account as well.
I'm not trying to say I'm sure this is what happened, but I think that the combination of the two things I mentioned above is a likely and more reasonable answer than the one in the post quoted by MiaFLsurf
That's not what I meant. I was talking about your game suddenly stopping in the middle of a Bloodborne boss fight and a padlock appearing over its' icon in the dashboard. You would have to either wait for your system to automatically recheck the license or perform the license restore from the settings menu.There is no such thing as legit licenses, the system was not made so you would deactivate your account on the website to put the same games on two consoles if you had them, but rater allowing to recover all your licenses in case some malfuction happened to your PS4 and you had to switch to a new console with out being able to deactivate your account in the old one, this way you can set your new PS4 to be the primary system of your account.
One thing that could be really helpful would be to know how much time passed for everyone that got their phantoms locked since they installed update 2.5 to that moment... We may be blaming the update and the problem may be somewhere else
I see what you mean, but on PS3/PSP at least -and from what I saw it didn't change on PS4-, it sends account email + password to the activation server to activate/deactivate.It doesn't work like that from the "admin's" side. What it assigned to a profile is not email and/or password, but the ID of a PSN account. While you have to type in these details to log into the account, the console simply checks the ID of the account, looks it up on the server and then compares the ID of the console listed as primary and the ID of your system. If they don't match, shit happens.
Don't think that has any bearing on it. There's been people who had old af phantoms lock, and people who had ones they made after the update lock, then there's people like me who installed the firmware as soon as it was available who haven't had anything lock.One thing that could be really helpful would be to know how much time passed for everyone that got their phantoms locked since they installed update 2.5 to that moment... We may be blaming the update and the problem may be somewhere else
I see, but shouldn't changing the password be enough then?I see what you mean, but on PS3/PSP at least -and from what I saw it didn't change on PS4-, it sends account email + password to the activation server to activate/deactivate.
Also, blocking the DRM server on the router should block Sony from doing shit, although you would need to unblock it every time you wanna activate/deactivate an account.... (unless they automatically lock every account that can't connect to it every now and then when logged to PSN... that's a possibility if they are smart)
All of this phantom locking shows why the group that I started is still one of the best choices in gaming. We didn't lose a single game, still have everything that was available since launch, and have a huge core of gamers that love what we do.Any reputable trusted vets want to join the largest PS4 club library around? Looking for an additional trusted vet that will contribute a bit of time lending out the existing shares to existing members.
EDIT: Looks like the spot is being filled. Membership is closed for now...
Boosted welcome back you son of a corn how you been???All of this phantom locking shows why the group that I started is still one of the best choices in gaming. We didn't lose a single game, still have everything that was available since launch, and have a huge core of gamers that love what we do.
Currently we are working out how to handle an new group of users being added. Currently membership is closed but it will probably open soon. Send a message to Mystique and he can start a group thread to explain the group to everyone.
Also, HELLO EVERYONE!!!! I haven't been on here in a while, hopefully someone still remembers that I was a part of this community. I'm not quite an OG like raiborg, steamboat, clone and others but I do see some people her that I don't know. Hello to all the new peeps and what's up to my old crew. I would say how the hell are you but by reading through the last few pages of the thread it seems that some people are pretty salty about losing their phantoms. I really do feel bad that this happened. I haven't had any phantoms lock on my console but I barely play either so who the hell knows.
Peace out everyone. I will talk to you soon.
The Walking Dead.I haven't gotten a lock on either of my consoles. My RL friend who has 12 phantoms has gotten none either. We're either lucky or haven't been hit by it yet.
Its my experience.Some Q&A for those affected:
Did your phantoms get locked simultaneously?
R: I just had one phantom, but It locked when ps4 bring me out to the xmb menu, I was playing Bloodborne.
How long after the update to 2.50 did the locks happen?
R: I think 6 o 7 days after I downloaded the update.
Have you made any new phantoms since the incident?
R: No.
If yes, have they been locked as well?
You have account(S). So more than 1. Why didn't you gave the PSN codes to your friend or sell the codes instead? Why would you add all $150 to 1 account? This doesn't feel good to me after I got scammed recently.I have accounts that have $150USD in it.
Selling for $110USD
(I won a bunch of PSN cards at a fair and dont need these and was gonna give this to a friend but he backed out >.>![]()
Do you still have the account? If so, send me the login info for this account by a PM to check the account. Not going to buy. I want to see it to check few things.Phantom available for all of this in one account!
$25
Bloodborne™
Hotline Miami 2: Wrong Number
flOw PS4™
Home - A Unique Horror Adventure
Tennis in the Face
Surgeon Simulator
Dead Nation™
So you won PSN cards, and funded Several accounts?I have accounts that have $150USD in it.
Selling for $110USD
(I won a bunch of PSN cards at a fair and dont need these and was gonna give this to a friend but he backed out >.>![]()
Is your main set as primary on the console with the phantom?The test has been started.
I made a phantom of Bloodborne after 2.50 update.
Let see how long it will stay alive
Steps:
1. Download and activate on console #1
2. Deactivate in menu on console #1
3. Download and activate on console #2
4. Access data change (email and password)
5. Download locked slot on console #3
6. Access data change (email and password)
7. Reset the account
8. Access data change (email and password)
9. Account have one slot available. Waiting