CAG PSN Gamesharing #9 - Find/Create a Gameshare Group and Gameshare FAQ

smtipple said:
Well everyone, my luck has run out. I was trying to power through my phantoms, starting with Alien ISO. I was just playing, got booted to XMB and when I tried to restart, it was locked, followed by all my other phantoms.

So. I need an Alien ISO rental.

Also: the headache thing is a joke. I've had FAR less issues with sharing with this community than I have in another forum where access is gated. People turn this into what they want it to be. If you're here trying to be a business man and turn a profit, you're going to have headaches. If you're here trying to play games and be a part of the community....I imagine those headaches are very, very few and far between.
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That is scary as hell. Looks like it's just me and iwarboy left.

JUST THE TWO OF US WE CAN MAKE IT IF WE TRY (maybe.. probably not)

 
How many phantom accounts do you/did you have? 1

How many of those accounts have been locked? 0

If you've had an account locked, what was the date you discovered this? N'A

Do you use Spotify for PS4 often? Constantly, and so does the resell holder

Do you use rest mode often? Frequently

Do you use suspend and resume often? Frequently

Do you play on a lot of different profiles? No

Do you have PSN+? Yes

It's worth noting that the resell slot hasn't logged in the acct whatsoever. I'm still of the belief that logging into the resell acct or switching primary PS4s after creating the phantom slot could be the problem.

 
Guys, you just have to ignore the Raiborg post. I promise you his plan is to get people to respond to it, so that way he can report those posts to the mods and make it seem like something is happening here, that isn't. Just ignore it, don't talk about it, don't try to start crap with him, just move on or else we're all falling for the trap.
 
Sony would not come out and mention this at all. No company would, that just draws attention to the whole process. In the past they didn’t bring it up when they made the switch from 5 to 2 slots, but this is hardly the same thing. This is people using a loophole to get an extra share out of an account, which is technically stealing. The switch from 5 to 2 slots was made bc they saw people were using all 5 slots… WHO HAS FIVE PS3’S? It was obvious something needed to be done in that case, just as it is in this case.

It has nothing to do with rest mode/suspend/resume. Many people have posted that they didn’t use this feature and it still happened. Hell it even happened to people mid-game. I personally was always shutting off my PS4 entirely once I heard about it. It has nothing to do with Spotify either, one app’s license being created wouldn’t affect another’s, but even then I have not touched spotify and I lost my phantoms.

You can theorize all you want but people getting phantoms deactivated mid-game proves that it’s not a software issue from some kind of setting that someone has set up a certain way. If that was the case, and it was based on settings, more people would have lost them initially. People losing phantoms without changing settings also proves this.

This is what we call a ‘ban wave” in other formats – a company will have IP addresses logged for accts and can easily remotely deactivate them. Microsoft bans for license transfer abuse, not impossible for Sony to see what PS4 the phantom acct was locked into and remotely deactivate it on their end. Even if you’re offline and then sign online, if they have that acct marked to deactivate from a certain IP, it will do it as soon as you sign online. Let’s be thankful they’re not going after our main accounts / killing the resell slots by banning the accts altogether. Traditional gamesharing may be dead but selling resells are not and neither is timesharing. We will be around for a while.
 
Pravado said:
Sony would not come out and mention this at all. No company would, that just draws attention to the whole process. In the past they didn’t bring it up when they made the switch from 5 to 2 slots, but this is hardly the same thing. This is people using a loophole to get an extra share out of an account, which is technically stealing. The switch from 5 to 2 slots was made bc they saw people were using all 5 slots… WHO HAS FIVE PS3’S? It was obvious something needed to be done in that case, just as it is in this case.

It has nothing to do with rest mode/suspend/resume. Many people have posted that they didn’t use this feature and it still happened. Hell it even happened to people mid-game. I personally was always shutting off my PS4 entirely once I heard about it. It has nothing to do with Spotify either, one app’s license being created wouldn’t affect another’s, but even then I have not touched spotify and I lost my phantoms.

You can theorize all you want but people getting phantoms deactivated mid-game proves that it’s not a software issue from some kind of setting that someone has set up a certain way. If that was the case, and it was based on settings, more people would have lost them initially. People losing phantoms without changing settings also proves this.

This is what we call a ‘ban wave” in other formats – a company will have IP addresses logged for accts and can easily remotely deactivate them. Microsoft bans for license transfer abuse, not impossible for Sony to see what PS4 the phantom acct was locked into and remotely deactivate it on their end. Even if you’re offline and then sign online, if they have that acct marked to deactivate from a certain IP, it will do it as soon as you sign online. Let’s be thankful they’re not going after our main accounts / killing the resell slots by banning the accts altogether. Traditional gamesharing may be dead but selling resells are not and neither is timesharing. We will be around for a while.
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Nailed it.

 
They just fixed their glitch. If you deactivate a licence from a system remotely because it is broken, stolen, sold, etc. Then that system will eventually check if its licences are still valid and it will disable those who are not. As simple as that.
 
johanlh said:
They just fixed their glitch. If you deactivate a licence from a system remotely because it is broken, stolen, sold, etc. Then that system will eventually check if its licences are still valid and it will disable those who are not. As simple as that.
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Yeah it seems like every PS4 is set to randomly check all licenses periodically. :(

 
I still think there's gonna be a market for cheap Phantoms. Especially shorter experiences that can be completed in a week or so. Just take it offline, plow through and whatever happens after that is whatever.

It's going to be interesting to see how all this plays out over the next few months.
 
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Still looking for a rental of Alien for PS4. Lost my share in the middle of chapter 16. Just need to finish a few chapters and then do my speedrun. Won't need it too long.
 
smtipple said:
Still looking for a rental of Alien for PS4. Lost my share in the middle of chapter 16. Just need to finish a few chapters and then do my speedrun. Won't need it too long.
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i would lend it to you but I'm scared to get locked my only phantom :( (I'm offline since the update)
 
Can anyone do a solid and hook me up with Phantom GTAV on the PS3?

Selling PS3 GS

  • YGO: Millenium Duel & Monopoly Plus $6 Paypal (Phantom)
  • Old PSN Account worth of games $5 Paypal (Resell, 2 slots)
Street Fighter III 3rd Strike

Little Big Planet 1

Borderlands 1

Acceleration of SURGI X Edition

Destrega (PS1)

InFamous 1

Tomb Raider UnderWorld

Scott Pilgrim Vs the World w/ DLC

Pac-MAN Champion Edition DX+

Sonic Adventure W/ DX upgrade

Resident Evil 2 (PS1)

Wolfenstein 3D

2Xtreme (PS1)

Castlevania: SotN (PS1)

 
smtipple said:
I still think there's gonna be a market for cheap Phantoms. Especially shorter experiences that can be completed in a week or so. Just take it offline, plow through and whatever happens after that is whatever.

It's going to be interesting to see how all this plays out over the next few months.
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Absolutely. Some niche titles are probably too low interest for the timeshare guys to bother with and assuming they don't have online components, I'd still buy phantoms and just do it all offline.

 
So if this Sony closing the loophole, wouldn't the PS3 phantoms be affected? I mean why leave one platform alone yet shut the door on another. Couldn't be that hard to program the PS3 to phone home right? I dunno. We will see after the next firmware.
 
Pravado said:
This is what we call a ‘ban wave” in other formats – a company will have IP addresses logged for accts and can easily remotely deactivate them. Microsoft bans for license transfer abuse, not impossible for Sony to see what PS4 the phantom acct was locked into and remotely deactivate it on their end. Even if you’re offline and then sign online, if they have that acct marked to deactivate from a certain IP, it will do it as soon as you sign online. Let’s be thankful they’re not going after our main accounts / killing the resell slots by banning the accts altogether. Traditional gamesharing may be dead but selling resells are not and neither is timesharing. We will be around for a while.
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Cue Aces High - Iron Maiden

 
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ChiefBrody1027 said:
So if this Sony closing the loophole, wouldn't the PS3 phantoms be affected? I mean why leave one platform alone yet shut the door on another. Couldn't be that hard to program the PS3 to phone home right? I dunno. We will see after the next firmware.
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Don't think they would bother. The PS4 is set up differently with how it's licensing system works and how it's designed to be online all the time. I believe they would basically have to change how it worked on the PS3 to accomplish the same thing, which at this point in the PS3's life cycle probably isn't worth the time or dev hours.
 
I am dreading the day when I have to come back online to download an update for a game...

I wonder if the next PS4 update will "fix" this.

 
I have a TLoU Remastered resell and it's just going to be sitting there doing nothing until I get my PS4. Anyone want to borrow it? I decided to get a bigger tv instead of the console this time around so... It's there.

 
Anyone interested in Dark Souls II ps4 and/or Shovel Knight timeshares? Just trying to gauge interest..

 
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smtipple said:
Psn slow for anyone else? Took almost two hours to download a 1.5gb file. Normally takes about 20 mins or so.
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I had this problem as well yesterday but I found what was the issue. My PS4 was using a wireless connection instead of the LAN Cable. Just make sure what you are using for downloads is the default and that should fix the issue. Unless there was a disruption in your service, of course.

 
With the phantoms i'm of the opinion the reason they are getting locked is because the resell is playing the game at the same time and the new update has something to detect that, whether that intentional or a bug may not be known.

That's why the new AAA games were hit first and then slowly the other games.  For this reason I will leave my phantom untouched for a few more weeks to see if it's still unlocked.

 
ClydeShebang said:
With the phantoms i'm of the opinion the reason they are getting locked is because the resell is playing the game at the same time and the new update has something to detect that, whether that intentional or a bug may not be known.

That's why the new AAA games were hit first and then slowly the other games. For this reason I will leave my phantom untouched for a few more weeks to see if it's still unlocked.
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I thought this was the case too but all my phantoms were locked at the same time.

 
ClydeShebang said:
With the phantoms i'm of the opinion the reason they are getting locked is because the resell is playing the game at the same time and the new update has something to detect that, whether that intentional or a bug may not be known.

That's why the new AAA games were hit first and then slowly the other games. For this reason I will leave my phantom untouched for a few more weeks to see if it's still unlocked.
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This stuff is too random to figure out what's causing the issue unless we can get a couple NASA engineers to go through all the data from the community. The only thing for certain is that if you take your system offline then you have a 1000% chance of getting dinged once you put it back online.

 
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ClydeShebang said:
With the phantoms i'm of the opinion the reason they are getting locked is because the resell is playing the game at the same time and the new update has something to detect that, whether that intentional or a bug may not be known.

That's why the new AAA games were hit first and then slowly the other games. For this reason I will leave my phantom untouched for a few more weeks to see if it's still unlocked.
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That has been tested recently. Guest, phantom and primary slot have been played at the same time. No lock on 8 of 10 accounts, so something else must force the license refreshing. At now, no one can trigger the process with regular succession:(

 
Marauder7 said:
This stuff is too random to figure out what's causing the issue unless we can get a couple NASA engineers to go through all the data from the community. The only thing for certain is that if you take your system offline then you have a 1000% chance of getting dinged once you put it back online.
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I wouldn't say so. I was turning my internet off whenever I went to rest mode then turning it on when I played and it took about a week of doing that before it locked my stuff.
 
ClydeShebang said:
With the phantoms i'm of the opinion the reason they are getting locked is because the resell is playing the game at the same time and the new update has something to detect that, whether that intentional or a bug may not be known.

That's why the new AAA games were hit first and then slowly the other games. For this reason I will leave my phantom untouched for a few more weeks to see if it's still unlocked.
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i dont think so , Aline Isolation & Shadow Warrior Phantoms got locked on my PS4 but i never launched any one of them since i got the phantoms , more than a month before the update i guess .

 
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