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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Ring Of Honor
August 25th, 2007- 7:30 pm belltime
Manhattan Center (Grand Ballroom)
311 West 34th St.
New York, NY 10001
(212) 279-7740

Tickets will be available at the door on the night of the show.

ROH World Title Match
Takeshi Morishima (if still champion) defends vs. Bryan Danielson

World Tag Team Title- 2/3 Falls Match
Jay & Mark Briscoe vs. Kevin Steen & El Generico

Battle Of Generation Next Founding Fathers
Austin Aries vs. Roderick Strong vs. Jack Evans

Grudge Match
Claudio Castagnoli vs. Chris Hero w/Larry Sweeney, Tank Toland, Sara Del Rey, & Bobby Dempsey

Special Challenge Match #1
Davey Richards vs. PAC

Special Challenge Match #2
Nigel McGuinness vs. BJ Whitmer

Tag Team Attraction
Matt Cross & Erick Stevens vs. Mike Quackenbush & Jigsaw[/FONT]
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']Oh we're making predictions now? OK

1. Diva Battle Royal - Beth Phoenix
2. Kane over Finlay
3. Chavo over Rey? If Rey just wins there's no point to this feud continuing, Chavo may get DQ'd.
4. Kennedy pins Carlito. I'm guessing they made it triple threat so Umaga could lose without being pinned? This will keep the ball rolling on Kennedy's monster push.
5. Morrison over CM Punk. Vince is big on Morrison, keeping him as champ longer before moving him back to Raw or SD is the right move.
6. Triple H over Booker. They'll rematch on Raw, and Triple H will squash him again. I believe Booker is set to enter a program with Jeff Hardy next, could be interesting.
7. Khali over Batista. I doubt Batista ever holds the title again. The horrible part is these two could continue their program until Taker is back and done with Mark Henry. Yikes.
8. Orton over Cena. The time has come. Plus isn't the H's politiking for this?



No Hardy vs MVP? No tag matches? No Stevie Richards! D'oh.

I hope Stevie at least beats Thorn in a dark match at the ppv.[/quote]

i forgot the kane/finlay match-up...guess ill go kane (finlay is more of a jobber than anything nowadays)
 
Personally, I agree with most of the predictions.

The Rey/Chavo predictions are interesting. Usually, this is an easy Rey returns and wins easily, and the crowd cheers. But, you already have HHH doing that, are they really going to have 2 cake returns at the same PPV?

Considering the fact that I think Orton is getting the title, I could see it.

So,

Khali wins
Orton wins the belt
Rey wins easy (I think you can work a program out of this, reemember, Rey quit in the I quit match, really, Chavo was dominating Rey beforehand, if Chavo beats Rey again, what's the point.
I think Finley over Kane
 
Is it possible to have a competitive way of doing this - sorta like WWE Fantasy? There's only been one PPV I've called perfectly and that was Vengeance 05, but still...I think it would be alotta fun. ;)
 
Cena can't loose the title yet. If Orton wins then isn't he suppose to face HHH? HHH can't face Orton yet because hes gonna be busy with Kennedy.

I say:
Cena vs Orton, Cena wins

HHH vs Booker, HHH wins

Khali vs Batista, Batista wins

Rey vs Chavo, Rey wins

Umaga wins Triple Threat
 
[quote name='D_Icon']Cena can't loose the title yet. If Orton wins then isn't he suppose to face HHH? HHH can't face Orton yet because hes gonna be busy with Kennedy.[/quote]

HHH vs Kennedy is the WM match, first HHH beats Orton, then HHH faces the 2008 Royal Rumble Winner, Mr. Kennedy.
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']HHH vs Kennedy is the WM match, first HHH beats Orton, then HHH faces the 2008 Royal Rumble Winner, Mr. Kennedy.[/quote]

If this is right, Kennedy has alotta work ahead of him...

so i did some thinkin on how we could do the whole point system for our predictions: +3pts if we choose the winner(s), +1pt on if we choose the match outcome, -2pts if we choose the loser

here's an example: I predict Rey beats Chavo in a Count out.
What happens is Chavo counts Rey out, so I'd get -1...good idea?

and lets not make it too complex with outcomes (just pin, submission, count out, or dq - unless of course somebody gets ko'd somehow ;) )
 
Cena vs Orton - Orton wins

HHH vs Booker - HHH wins

Khali vs Batista - Khali wins

Rey vs Chavo - No contest, incredible match, ends up being broken up or a count out or something, no winner.

Umaga vs Kennedy vs. Carlito - Kennedy wins, pins Carlito
 
[quote name='Foo228']If this is right, Kennedy has alotta work ahead of him...[/quote]

:lol: ok. Because he's getting no crowd reaction, no one is mimicking his catch phrase, and he sure is getting a lot of boring chants in the ring. Plus WWE has had no previous plans of Kennedy winning the title as far as we know, right?
 
Triple H would mos' def' want to stroke his own cock by defeating Cena, who has defeated all of these "monsters", for the title.
 
If they do decide to go that route, I want to hear something extra-lame from HHH the following night.

"You may have destroyed those monsters, but you can't destroy a KING."
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']:lol: ok. Because he's getting no crowd reaction, no one is mimicking his catch phrase, and he sure is getting a lot of boring chants in the ring. Plus WWE has had no previous plans of Kennedy winning the title as far as we know, right?[/quote]

Kennedy just needs to stay fucking healthy and he will be fine :)
 
[quote name='Mr. Beef']If they do decide to go that route, I want to hear something extra-lame from HHH the following night.

"You may have destroyed those monsters, but you can't destroy a KING."[/QUOTE]
"I AM THE GAME AND I AM GOING TO KICK. YOUR. ASS. me are the game!"

I hate his promos.
 
I thought the word on the street was the H's was just concerned about his legacy now and who would succeed him. Batista failed, Orton has failed thus far, and HHH had nothing to do with Cena's rise. His logic now must be giving the rub to Kennedy. Putting Mr. Kennedy over in this feud makes the most sense, if the H's is really worried about who he put over before stepping back.

Kennedy is relating to the fans big-time right now, WWE would be foolish not to push him as far as his present momentum will take him.

Kennedy vs Cena in a feud would be amusing too, I don't think the crowd reactions for Cena would go too well.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I'd rather listen to a Chomsky lecture than a Triple H promo. Chomsky has more charisma.[/QUOTE]
It's funny that you use the word "lecture", considering that Triple H's promos last a good twenty - twenty-five minutes, reiterating variations of "I AM THE GAME!" and "I AM GOING TO KICK. YOUR. ASS."
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']:lol: ok. Because he's getting no crowd reaction, no one is mimicking his catch phrase, and he sure is getting a lot of boring chants in the ring. Plus WWE has had no previous plans of Kennedy winning the title as far as we know, right?[/quote]

Well, its not like he's been getting any main event treatment as of late and he isn't a "top-tier" guy if you ask me...

And I still can't put him up there since he jobbed to Lashley waaay to many times
 
[quote name='Foo228']so i did some thinkin on how we could do the whole point system for our predictions: +3pts if we choose the winner(s), +1pt on if we choose the match outcome, -2pts if we choose the loser

here's an example: I predict Rey beats Chavo in a Count out.
What happens is Chavo counts Rey out, so I'd get -1...good idea?[/quote]

My list if this goes through (one can only hope...):
Cena over Orton, submission
Khali over Batista, pin
Morrison retains - Draw, double count out
Kane over Finlay, dq
Triple H over Booker, pin
Rey over Chavo, pin
Umaga over Carlito, pin
Mickie James over others, toss over top-rope...haha
 
TNA had a fairly decent show tonight. The matches were effective, and the skits either weren't as bad as last weeks, or in the case of James Storm's, were flat-out awesome on their own. Joe being beaten down saddened me greatly, and the four way to determine the tag champion with Kurt makes very little sense, as only Joe's feuded with Kurt recently, and Joe himself has moved onto facing Christian after seemingly forgiving the Angles for screwing him out of his titles. 3D's mid-show face turn was quite odd, since it served no real purpose - they could have attacked the Steiners as their established heel characters and it wouldn't have made a difference given what they did.
 
[quote name='JaytheGamefan']TNA had a fairly decent show tonight. The matches were effective, and the skits either weren't as bad as last weeks, or in the case of James Storm's, were flat-out awesome on their own. Joe being beaten down saddened me greatly, and the four way to determine the tag champion with Kurt makes very little sense, as only Joe's feuded with Kurt recently, and Joe himself has moved onto facing Christian after seemingly forgiving the Angles for screwing him out of his titles. 3D's mid-show face turn was quite odd, since it served no real purpose - they could have attacked the Steiners as their established heel characters and it wouldn't have made a difference given what they did.[/quote]

I was almost sure there were gunna say Kevin Nash at the end as the last guy, but no...Sting - I bet he'll win it then.

Oh and that Kaz guy is pretty impressive.
 
TNA did that, and Smackdown isn't going to help. I think that I, and most everybody else here, is just dead bored with wrestling these days.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']TNA did that, and Smackdown isn't going to help. I think that I, and most everybody else here, is just dead bored with wrestling these days.[/quote]

I try and enjoy TNA...but this past week it just wasn't good enough compared to last weeks superb showing.

Smackdown is just a no-show for me, don't even bother with that..
 
[quote name='pitfallharry219']myke, something that might cheer you up a little is Dan Rodimer got released.[/quote]

Shows you how smart Stephanie is. I'm sure a strong correlation could be drawn between when Stephanie joined the writing team and the decline in ratings. If you ask me, Stephanie is the one that needs to be fired for WWE to recover. I wonder if Vince is that sadistic though? I doubt it, he seems to be a man that ultimately puts his children above all.
 
Oh boy, this could be great:

Those who have seen Batista's upcoming book say it's "insane." Sources say it's sure to ruffle a few feathers in the WWE locker room. Batista has said time and time again that he's the most boring guy in the world, which sounds like it would make for a pretty dull book, but as it turns out, he talks nonstop about who he hates and does not respect in the locker room in his book.

This could very well be major trouble in the making for the WWE superstar since he's hated by most of the locker room already. Batista also gives his thoughts on certain creative decisions WWE has made and more.

The former World Heavyweight Champion also talks "recklessly" about the number of women he's slept with. Batista's book is said to be totally different from all the other WWE books.
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It'll be like one of those Trashy Romance Novels, for men! I'm sure the internet will list all the details, I hope this leads to Batista's release :lol:
 
I just watched an ECW match during dinner (Taz vs. Shane Douglas from January 1999) and I noticed a few things.

1. One of the ECW security guys looks alot like Don West. I'll have to look around later and see if it was really him.

2. Who the hell is metal dude? Maybe some of you have noticed him as well. He's a guy I see all the time in the audience at wrestling shows who always wears sunglasses and has longish black hair and a black leather jacket. He's always sitting (when looking through the ring into the crowd at the ECW arena) to the left of sign guy and hat guy. Thing is, metal dude doesn't only show up in ECW. I've seen that guy everywhere from old Wrestlemanias to TNA shows. I first noticed him in ECW back in 1996 but now that I have a decent collection of wrestling DVDs I see him all the time.

3. I wonder how much longer/if at all WWE will continue to put out DVDs that include old ECW matches. The match I was watching came off the ECW Bloodsport DVD set and it was a shining example of what WWE isn't right now. The crowd was into it, there were some neat spots put together with solid wrestling and a clean (well, for ECW) finish. Comparing it to the current ECW is like comparing Led Zeppelin to... I dunno, Panic at the Disco.

Anyway, discuss in lieu of watching Smackdown, I've got to go work on Bioshock.
 
I love this, there's already plans set for BOTH main events at next year's WM, barring injuries these should be two AWESOME main events. Plus the VERY best part is neither one involves John Twat. I've been talking to some friends that were bummed out about missing WM23 in Detroit, and some other friends down in Florida, and if these end up being the main events, I'll feel as though I'll be getting to experience what WM23 lacked. I just hope these 4 guys can avoid injuries.

MAJOR SPOILERS for the SD world title through WM, including the likely winner of the Batista/Khali match.

Batista is scheduled to go over Khali this Sunday. The feeling pretty much is Batista is the lesser of two evils here. The plan is for Edge to return and win the title from Batista sometime between the Survivor Series and the Royal Rumble PPVs. Then Edge will face The Undertaker at WM24! Damn, had only Edge won last year this could've been a match-up between the two WM undefeated streaks.


MAJOR SPOILERS on the Mr. McMahon/Mr. Kennedy storyline, as well as, the Raw world title WM match:

As previously reported the current plan is for Ken Kennedy to be revealed as Mr. McMahon's illegitimate son. If something would happen and the storyline would end up bombing, WWE has a contingency plan to fall back on. The plan would be to say that Kennedy "forged" the papers and lab results and is a con artist trying to get into a billionaire family.

The entire McMahon family will be involved in the angle with Stephanie getting involved sometime around October or November. This will then involve Triple H as he will come in and make the save revealing himself as Vince's son-in-law therefore setting the stage for the RAW main event at WrestleMania with him as a babyface vs. Kennedy, likely for the title with the entire McMahon family somehow involved.

USA Network's Bonnie Hammer loves the idea of the angle and wants another big three-hour special in October like WWE did last year with the Homecoming show. This will most likely be the show that reveals Kennedy as McMahon's son. Hints will be dropped on RAW each week until that edition.

Shane was told that he won't be needed in the ring until around the time of Royal Rumble. He will probably be Kennedy's first family victim.

Thus the belief is Orton will take the title off Cena sometime soon and then drop it to HHH.
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Rodman is gone and Stephanie looks like an idiot for it, Mark Henry is gone after Unforgiven and there'll be two sweet main events for WM24. Finally, some good wrestling news!
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']It'll be like one of those Trashy Romance Novels, for men! I'm sure the internet will list all the details, I hope this leads to Batista's release :lol:[/QUOTE]

Which means that we'd see him in TNA...... :puke:
 
[quote name='Halo05']1. One of the ECW security guys looks alot like Don West. I'll have to look around later and see if it was really him.[/quote]

Oh, fuck yeah. I know exactly who you're talking about.

I actually researched the idea, that he was Don West, because they look so damn similar.

[quote name='Halo05']2. Who the hell is metal dude? Maybe some of you have noticed him as well. He's a guy I see all the time in the audience at wrestling shows who always wears sunglasses and has longish black hair and a black leather jacket. He's always sitting (when looking through the ring into the crowd at the ECW arena) to the left of sign guy and hat guy. Thing is, metal dude doesn't only show up in ECW. I've seen that guy everywhere from old Wrestlemanias to TNA shows. I first noticed him in ECW back in 1996 but now that I have a decent collection of wrestling DVDs I see him all the time.[/quote]

They call him "Faith No More Guy", to continue the trend of "Hat Guy", "Kato Guy", etc.

[quote name='Halo05']3. I wonder how much longer/if at all WWE will continue to put out DVDs that include old ECW matches. The match I was watching came off the ECW Bloodsport DVD set and it was a shining example of what WWE isn't right now. The crowd was into it, there were some neat spots put together with solid wrestling and a clean (well, for ECW) finish. Comparing it to the current ECW is like comparing Led Zeppelin to... I dunno, Panic at the Disco.[/QUOTE]
They don't want to release something that outshines their product, so we'll - sadly - never see ECW or WCW PPVs on DVD.
 
Yeah, I looked him up on Wikipedia and saw that he's "Faith No More Guy". He'll always be Metal Dude to me.

There's no mention of Don West having been an ECW security guard on the interwebs that I could find. Maybe he has a brother.

Bioshock was getting too intense, time to lull myself into a coma with Smackdown.
 
I wonder if they're setting up Dustin Rhodes to be both a face and heel; a heel as Black Reign, and a face as himself, as he was rooting for Eric Young, in the audience.

That'd be pretty cool.
 
Whoever that cameraman was, who seamlessly zoomed in on that kid's reaction to Khali's chop, is a fuckin' god.
 
[quote name='D_Icon']Cena can't loose the title yet. If Orton wins then isn't he suppose to face HHH? HHH can't face Orton yet because hes gonna be busy with Kennedy.

I say:
Cena vs Orton, Cena wins

HHH vs Booker, HHH wins

Khali vs Batista, Batista wins

Rey vs Chavo, Rey wins

Umaga wins Triple Threat[/quote]

I'll add Michelle McCool for the Divas match, and John Morrison over CMPunk.

Also, Finlay vs Kane, Kane wins

I had them all but one right. Very predictable PPV.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']TNA did that, and Smackdown isn't going to help. I think that I, and most everybody else here, is just dead bored with wrestling these days.[/quote]

...and I've been trying to pinpoint when that happened. Lately I've had more fun downloading old stuff off of the internets (esp classic Memphis wrestling) and watching my WWE DVD collection. I can't think of a RAW I've watched start-to-finish in a while, and in the past 3-4 months I haven't watched more than 15 minutes a week.

When, in your opinions, did the decline start?
 
[quote name='Punk_Raven']How can anyone not respect the wrestling ablilities of this man?[/QUOTE]
To my surprise, I like him as champ... It's a little half-baked, though -- and that's not his fault.

I wish they stretch his reign out a little longer, that way he won't get kicked to the wayside.
 
[quote name='Iron Clad Burrito']...and I've been trying to pinpoint when that happened. Lately I've had more fun downloading old stuff off of the internets (esp classic Memphis wrestling) and watching my WWE DVD collection. I can't think of a RAW I've watched start-to-finish in a while, and in the past 3-4 months I haven't watched more than 15 minutes a week.

When, in your opinions, did the decline start?[/QUOTE]

Oh, IMO, it's the culmination of events. It would have happened sooner had TNA never happened. With them, though, there was a sort of naive hope that a wrestling renaissance would happen. Since TNA has taken a decidedly "sportz entertainment" approach, however, between the two major promotions, there simply is nothing worth watching. I think the greatest change that has hurt wrestling is the monthly PPV, however. There's no time to invest in caring about who the champ is.

Egos get in the way as well; I think it's obvious that the egos of Jeff Jarrett and Kurt Angle, respectively, have killed the career of Samoa Joe, who was the last great hope of pro wrestling. His undefeated streak is *long* past meaningful. The TNA tag titles and X-title don't mean shit anymore, additionally. Kurt Angle doesn't need those titles to get over, yet the scripting of the show, by itself, shows that Angle holds far too much sway over the writers. When Joe wins the title (it will happen, whether next week or a year from now), the ship has already set sail with him. Gimmicks about have hurt TNA (Sonjay Dutt and Roode are nothing anymore) - worst of all, stripping ROH of its solid talent base have crippled the last great feeding pool for TNA and WWE. Does anyone expect Matt Sydal to do a single fucking noteworthy thing in WWE, or do they expect to see him job to Khali as a nobody, work in OVW for five months, and then get released? Moreover, if Austin Aries shows back up in TNA, will it matter?

Wrestling continues to try to be controversial, and it ends up boring the viewer to tears - controversy simply ain't what it used to be. To keep pushing that envelope is to keep digging your own grave, IMO.

EDIT: I hope this makes sense, as I posted all of this while stinkin' fuckin' drunk. I should also point out that my MacBook is in the shop for a few days, so it'll be a while before I can reup OVW television. There'll be a two-fer at some point next week, I promise, including a TV title match b/w Colt Cabana and Shawn Spears.
 
I think Myke pretty much hits it right on the head.

TNA=the new WCW. When a guy leaves the WWE he knows he can go to TNA and be pushed to the moon. In return it makes the guys who busted their ass in TNA to make the company go look like shit.

The WWE I don't even know where to start So I won't. No competition for the WWE is really making wrestling suck.
 
[quote name='Iron Clad Burrito']

When, in your opinions, did the decline start?[/QUOTE]

I know this was meant for Myke but I will take a stab.

The decline started when WCW started to go down hill. By the time WCW was sold to Vince the decline was in full bloom. Now Vince could put any shit(and he did and still does)he wanted on his shows without any repercussions.

TNA was nothing buy an Indy fed when it came out and still is IMO. They don't have the money to go one on one with the WWE. That stupid fucking ring doesn't help much either.

The best thing that could happen to wrestling right now is for a big name with deep pockets starting another fed or buying TNA and making changes. I know Hogan was talking about starting a fed again but I don't want to watch the Hulk Hogan hour every week.
 
Former X-Division champion Samoa Joe has been telling people that he would rather accept an entry level WWE contract (believed to be $50,000 per year), rather than resigning with TNA. Joe is not happy in TNA, and doesn’t want to stay with the company when his current contract expires.
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Enjoy being buried you fat samoan Elvis.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']Enjoy being buried you fat samoan Elvis.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't be surprised if that was his gimmick.
 
[quote name='Blitz']I know this was meant for Myke but I will take a stab.

The decline started when WCW started to go down hill. By the time WCW was sold to Vince the decline was in full bloom. Now Vince could put any shit(and he did and still does)he wanted on his shows without any repercussions.

TNA was nothing buy an Indy fed when it came out and still is IMO. They don't have the money to go one on one with the WWE. That stupid fucking ring doesn't help much either.

The best thing that could happen to wrestling right now is for a big name with deep pockets starting another fed or buying TNA and making changes. I know Hogan was talking about starting a fed again but I don't want to watch the Hulk Hogan hour every week.[/QUOTE]

I'd like to see everyone's opinions on when the decline started.

If I was forced to pick one single moment that exhibited the decline, it would be one of two things: those very very popular (then) WWF segments (like "this is your life") that went on for 20 minutes for no reason other than to eat up time, or (and this is the choice I'll make for now) when Mrs. Undertaker pinned Diamond Dallas Page.

As for Joe wanting to sign with WWE, let me explain it to you in a way that just occurred to me, and seems absurd in how obvious it is (in retrospect). TNA was pushing Joe to the moon - he was squashing dudes left and right, months long undefeated streak. Joe was the future of TNA and all of pro wrestling. Enter Kurt Angle: the most highly regarded wrestler of this decade, multiple time WWE champion, IC champ, tag champ. The man who has great matches with everyone.

So, when they feud, they use *JOE* to get *ANGLE* over! As if Kurt Angle *NEEDED* to beat Joe in order to prove who he is! As if Kurt Angle would have been mistaken for someone else if he did not feud with Joe, or if he would have been laughed off as a has-been. Angle's still doing this; the entire Joe/Angle feud has been this: Joe challenges Angle, Angle beats Joe. Rinse and repeat. I said this about CM Punk/Nitro the other week: when Angle has almost 4-5 pins over Joe compared to Joe's 1, if Joe were to win the title suddenly, so fuckin' what? TNA has already told us who the top dog is, and that Joe's sudden win is a matter of probability rather than talent.

Here's TNA's absurdity: they wrecked everything they invested in Samoa Joe, trying to get Kurt Angle over (as if he needed it). Think about that.

Come on up north to WWE, young padawan. We'll make you the civilized version of Umaga, and you two can recreate the classic children's tale "The Country Mouse and the City Mouse," but instead of Mice, of course, it will be Samoans. Brilliant!
 
I actually think that Joe could do well in WWE if they use him right.

I mean, they're not exactly using CM Punk *right*, but atleast he has his gimmick ( even though for some reason he is STILL not heel yet in ECW) . I can't wait to see what they do with Cabana.
 
I thought things were pretty interesting when RVD had both the WWE and the ECW title. I expected that things would get better from there, but he got stripped from his titles.
WWE should have worked things out with Sabu. I liked watching him wrestle.
I'd like to see Tommy Dreamer as ECW champion.

Also, Finlay vs Kane, Kane wins.
 
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