Dare I bring up the Martin-Zimmerman event again? OK, Fine

berzirk said:
The criticism that Cosby gets is confusing for me, because I think to assume he's coming from a place of ignorance or maliciousness in lecturing the black community on self-destructive behavior makes no sense. Why wouldn't he want to see more young black men and women succeed in economics and in life.
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Many of the people who are called racists today for criticizing black culture feel the same way as Cosby. They supported the civil rights movement, then they look at the situation decades later and ask, "What the hell happened?" Aaron McGruder has also echoed that in his cartoon about MLK coming back to life.

I'm not even annoyed at white people being called racist. They are. What annoys me is calling white people racist *and* trying to pretend there isn't a problem with the culture that a lot of the young black men are attracted to. It makes zero sense for the white racists to root against black achievement. We racists want to see the crime rates go down. We want to see more blacks in college and starting their own businesses. More investment in these blighted communities means more jobs both locally and nationally. We want every black neighborhood to be an economic hub of commerce and opportunity. But those things aren't going to happen with the same old progressive policies and then blaming everything on whitey.

Yeah, white racism is probably the seventh priority on the list of things so-called black leaders ought to focus on. It's such a fake obstacle to black achievement and it's a shame those resources are not being focused on economic growth.

 
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Still cracks me up that someone that ran away suddenly turned into Supernegro and beat someone as if he was fucking Anderson silva.

 
renique46 said:
Still cracks me up that someone that ran away suddenly turned into Supernegro and beat someone as if he was fucking Anderson silva.
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And then the guy that killed him wasn't even questioned by police, taken into custody, given a voice stress test, or even taken on a ridealong to explain from his point of view what happened! That's what we are fighting against!

 
renique46 said:
Still cracks me up that someone that ran away suddenly turned into Supernegro and beat someone as if he was fucking Anderson silva.
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I know. It would be outside the realm of possibility for someone with a history of getting into fights to.... get into a fight.

 
GBAstar said:
I know. It would be outside the realm of possibility for someone with a history of getting into fights to.... get into a fight.
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Was this ever confirmed, because I never heard any of that outside of the likes of Stormfront and Breitbart (unless you're talking about him and his friends supposedly recording two homeless guys fighting once).

Now Zimmerman, there's a guy with a history of violent run-ins pre-and-post shooting.

 
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Purple Flames said:
Was this ever confirmed, because I never heard any of that outside of the likes of Stormfront and Breitbart (unless you're talking about him and his friends supposedly recording two homeless guys fighting once).

Now Zimmerman, there's a guy with a history of violent run-ins pre-and-post shooting.
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You tell me. I thought the softies got his history thrown out as irrelevant despite there being numerous things that pointed in that direction like:

http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/05/23/3413343/

Benjamin Crump, the attorney for Trayvon’s family, said in a written statement that the defense was displaying “stereotypical and close-minded thinking” in signaling that it planned to use Trayvon’s messages and photos, including pictures of him blowing smoke and showing off gold teeth.

“The only photos or videos that are relevant or admissible at trial are those of Trayvon taken the day he was shot and killed by George Zimmerman,” Crump said. “There is no evidence that Trayvon either had gold teeth nor gave anybody the finger the night he was shot and killed. Therefore those pictures are irrelevant and will not be admitted into evidence.”

The text messages, some of which are redacted, do not make clear whom Trayvon was talking to at different times. Sometimes it appears he was joking with a friend, other times with a girlfriend and, in at least one instance, with his father.

Some of the earliest text messages date back to early November 2011, in which Trayvon, a junior at Dr. Michael M. Krop Senior High School in North Miami-Dade, indicates he was suspended from school for being in a fistfight.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/05/23/3413343/#storylink=cpy
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Nope. Not. Relevant. At. All.

Apparently if you do something that brings a case ONLY what you do THAT day is relevant. Except "Jorge" right Doh?

 
So where did this courage magically come from if he was confirmed to have ran away the first time. Then again fuck it don't give a shit what Zimmerman does anymore as him trying to be on celebrity boxing trying to fight a drug addicted Dmx says all i need to know about him, and Dmx you should know better for even entertaining it as well.

 
ITT: egofed dresses up in a firefighting dog costume as a job requirement, and therefore understands what it's like to be black and poor in America.

 
mykevermin said:
ITT: egofed dresses up in a firefighting dog costume as a job requirement, and therefore understands what it's like to be black and poor in America.
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Except it is NOT a requirement of my job and is something I do voluntarily. Please get your facts straight before making dumbass sarcastic comments. Thanks.

 
GBAstar said:
You tell me. I thought the softies got his history thrown out as irrelevant despite there being numerous things that pointed in that direction like:

http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/05/23/3413343/

Nope. Not. Relevant. At. All.

Apparently if you do something that brings a case ONLY what you do THAT day is relevant. Except "Jorge" right Doh?
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Blowing smoke at the camera and showing off a grill? "Thuggish" behavior? Like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhm-22Q0PuM

Oh and high school kids bragging about shit that didn't happen? Didn't you say you used to work with teens? Gimme a fucking break... :rofl:

Levi Johnston's screed about "guns and shit" is far more threatening than Trayvon Martin taking a selfie giving the finger or showing off his grill. It's not like we judge guidos en masse for doing the same shit.
 
I would love to know how these morons would react to what happen to Oscar Grant i suppose he was up to no good since he use to dabble in drugs too right.

 
I don't care about the history of either of them when there is an eye witness placing Trayvon on top of George and has George screaming for help. You guys can't be this deluded!

 
egofed said:
Except it is NOT a requirement of my job and is something I do voluntarily. Please get your facts straight before making dumbass sarcastic comments. Thanks.
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ITT: egofed dresses up in a firefighting dog costume as a VOLUNTARY PART OF HIS job, and therefore understands what it's like to be black and poor in America.

There. That's far less absurd. :rofl:

 
egofed said:
I don't care about the history of either of them when there is an eye witness placing Trayvon on top of George and has George screaming for help. You guys can't be this deluded!
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That doesn't prove who started the fight. That only shows who had the upper hand at the time, and from the autopsy reports from the trial itself Zimmerman's story of having his head pounded into the concrete and punched multiple times was complete bullshit because there was none of Z's blood on Martin's hands or under his fingernails.

 
mykevermin said:
ITT: egofed dresses up in a firefighting dog costume as a VOLUNTARY PART OF HIS job, and therefore understands what it's like to be black and poor in America.

There. That's far less absurd. :rofl:
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Good try again! Except it is on my days off and I go to other cities also. Please continue to disparage my public service though, it makes you look tolerant and compassionate.

Also, did I claim a perfect understanding of being black and poor? I thought I was just asking for better oversight and rules on spending other people's money.

You guys claim I hate black people, I'm just giving you facts that dispute your claim. I know you are just trolling for fun so please continue.
 
Msut77 said:
Yessir, that is all you ever mentioned or implied.

/Sarcasm
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Please elaborate. What have I mentioned or implied as possible solutions that were not meant to be implemented across the board racially? Equal application of policy is my motto. That is why affirmative action and such are crocks. Special rules for special people...is that really how you think a fair and just gov't works? The rich are not held accountable, but neither are the welfare breeders.

 
Purple Flames said:
That doesn't prove who started the fight. That only shows who had the upper hand at the time, and from the autopsy reports from the trial itself Zimmerman's story of having his head pounded into the concrete and punched multiple times was complete bullshit because there was none of Z's blood on Martin's hands or under his fingernails.
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So you believe the guy who called the cops, had wounds on his head and face, had a legally carried firearm, made no racial comments, etc attacked a kid when he knew the police were coming? You don't think it is more plausible that a 17 year old kid who felt he was being disrespected and made several hateful comments, didn't call the police, has been suspended from school, etc made a hotheaded decision and attacked a guy? I don't think Trayvon had any wounds on him. You can at least admit reasonable doubt, right?

 
It's funny how Martin's being suspended from school is an indictment of his character, while Zimmerman's multiple, multiple run-ins with the police AFTER being acquitted for killing a child must just be dumb luck.

It's always cherry picking season somewhere.

 
egofed said:
What have I mentioned or implied as possible solutions that were not meant to be implemented across the board racially?
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I would have said what possible solutions have you provided at all? You have mentioned just cutting payments off (of what programs you dont mention) and then you make allusions to other non solutions.

 
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Msut77 said:
I would have said what possible solutions have you provided at all? You have mentioned just cutting payments off (of what programs you dont mention) and then you make allusions to other non solutions.
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I am in favor of vouchers for SNAP. A norplant or some such mandatory, enforceable birth control for welfare recipients. A form of work for welfare, beautifying and maintaining public housing and streets to instill a work ethic. Ending corporate welfare. Ending foreign aid. Are you opposed to all of these?

 
Vouchers for specific, nutritional foods versus sugary, refined and processed carbs that cause obesity and diabetes. Bob suggested the WIC program as a guideline.

 
mykevermin said:
Wow. So freedom. Such America.
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Its only mandatory if you want welfare. Do you agree that those asking for other people's money should not have kids? You define taking people's money through threat of force to give to other people who didn't earn it as freedom?

Wow. So logical. So reasonable....

 
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mykevermin said:
Wow. So freedom. Such America.
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I don't know if I'd go as far as mandatory birth control, but I agree with premise of ego's idea.

You can go out and have all the babies you want. It's when other people get stuck paying all the bills that it becomes a problem.

You're still free to do what you want - it's when you choose to say "hey, pay for me." that you are willingly exchanging your freedom for free stuff.
 
I am definitely torn here, as I am 100% against most gov't mandatory anything, but I am also 100% for actually fixing problems and making the world a better place. Giving people a choice is not taking away there freedom, where in taking personal property via threat of force is. Please offer up other solutions that will correct the problem. How do we create enough jobs, provide sufficient education, and, harder still, instill a work ethic and desire to get the education and work the job in kids whose parents do not? If welfare is paying $15 grand a year to do nothing, why work a job making $17 grand?

 
egofed said:
those asking for other people's money
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You view those words and think "welfare." I view those words and I think "all politics."

tax cuts = other people's money. government grants = other people's money. subsidies = other people's money. public property = other people's money. tax hikes = other people's money. anything relating to government and revenue or expenditure, logically, can be categorized as "other people's money."

It's selectively myopic to get upset about somebody who makes $7.25 an hour at CVS using their Access card to buy gummy bears and say "they shouldn't have kids."

If corporations can't get by without tax cuts, they shouldn't be in business. There's your logic in action.

 
"If corporations can't get by without tax cuts, they shouldn't be in business. There's your logic in action."

I totally agree! Too big to fail my ass. I think we both agree that tax reform is desperately needed. The bailouts were a travesty! I am against all waste and non logical use of tax money.

"It's selectively myopic to get upset about somebody who makes $7.25 an hour at CVS using their Access card to buy gummy bears and say "they shouldn't have kids."

I don't see that as selective at all. If you do not make enough to feed and cloth yourself, then it is selfish and greedy to procreate and demand other people's money to make your life sustainable. Common sense is not on your side, my friend. Also, using tax money to only purchase nutritional food is a win-win for everybody except the the "evil, greedy" candy corporations.

Helping people is one thing, promoting and incentivizing growing your family while on assistance is sheer stupidity if we wish to see poverty levels decrease.
 

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Hey guys, I wrote a children's book. If anybody wants to buy a copy, let me know. The book "page" can be found here: https://www.facebook.com/IfIDidntHaveToPoop

I thought this might be off-topic here, but then again...I don't think anything is off topic anymore.

Dead serious. I wrote a book. Lemme know if you want one. I'll do a personalized dedication/sign a copy.

OK, as you were.

 
egofed said:
Vouchers for specific, nutritional foods versus sugary, refined and processed carbs that cause obesity and diabetes. Bob suggested the WIC program as a guideline.
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How much money would that save? If it costs more for better foods, would you increase the value of the vouchers?

 
Msut77 said:
How much money would that save? If it costs more for better foods, would you increase the value of the vouchers?
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I'm still stuck on the "work for welfare" part because that would mean expanding the government by providing MORE government jobs...jobs that would require a minimum wage and more than likely displace full-time workers, which would then also be reliant on the government for similar programs that he's railing against. But hey, COMMON SENSE, amirite?
 
dohdough said:
I'm still stuck on the "work for welfare" part because that would mean expanding the government by providing MORE government jobs...jobs that would require a minimum wage and more than likely displace full-time workers, which would then also be reliant on the government for similar programs that he's railing against. But hey, COMMON SENSE, amirite?
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It's true, it doesn't make sense, and like many of those proposals, is shortsighted and neglects to consider how interconnected 20 other programs, departments, and events are. Then the forced sterilization/birth control? Jesus, the Nazis called, and they want ego to chill. I don't think anybody is happy that lazy people who are the face of the stereotype get free shit, but they are also the vast minority. I'd like to see defense, foreign aid, and some forms of personal and corporate welfare tightened up, but it's kind of like the mess of a healthcare system we have. I don't see a way to fix 2-3 things, without breaking a dozen more.

While we're on the topic of rants, I have a brilliant idea-federal taxed campaign contributions. Let people and corporations donate as much as they want, but the candidate needs to declare it, and pay 20% tax, with funds earmarked to pay down the debt. You want to donate $10M to the candidate of your choice? OK, thanks for the $5M in debt relief.

On the topic of great ideas, you know what also makes sense? Buying my children's book. Copies still available. Act now.

 
egofed said:
"If corporations can't get by without tax cuts, they shouldn't be in business. There's your logic in action."

I totally agree! Too big to fail my ass. I think we both agree that tax reform is desperately needed. The bailouts were a travesty! I am against all waste and non logical use of tax money.


"It's selectively myopic to get upset about somebody who makes $7.25 an hour at CVS using their Access card to buy gummy bears and say "they shouldn't have kids."

I don't see that as selective at all. If you do not make enough to feed and cloth yourself, then it is selfish and greedy to procreate and demand other people's money to make your life sustainable. Common sense is not on your side, my friend. Also, using tax money to only purchase nutritional food is a win-win for everybody except the the "evil, greedy" candy corporations.

Helping people is one thing, promoting and incentivizing growing your family while on assistance is sheer stupidity if we wish to see poverty levels decrease.

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Then why don't we ever see you decrying corporations instead of solely focusing on those in poverty? There's nary a corporation in existence that doesn't take advantage of tax benefits and government benefits such as tax abatement and interest free loans. Why no outrage toward them?

Furthermore, where's the outrage at these corporations for not paying a livable wage and thus effectively relying indirectly on government assistance to provide for their employees? Some even going so far, such as Mcdonalds and Walmart actively telling their employees to seek government assistance because of the low pay.

Put it all together and you've got corporations with a much bigger hand in the pie than the "welfare queens" you concern yourself so much with.
 
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berzirk said:
While we're on the topic of rants, I have a brilliant idea-federal taxed campaign contributions. Let people and corporations donate as much as they want, but the candidate needs to declare it, and pay 20% tax, with funds earmarked to pay down the debt. You want to donate $10M to the candidate of your choice? OK, thanks for the $5M in debt relief.
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Only 20%? :D
 
UncleBob said:
Only 20%? :D
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I'd like it to be painful, but not as egregious as some of our other taxation. Heh. Takes some of the value out of huge donations, all while supporting a cause that both sides claim is so important to them. If I need to pay taxes if I inherit something, or win a prize, or am gifted items/money, then why in the hell shouldn't politicians have to file taxes on money they're given for political campaigns?

Then again, they were refusing to be covered by the same healthcare laws the citizens were, so why wouldn't I expect a double standard for those sycophants.

 
Msut77 said:
How much money would that save? If it costs more for better foods, would you increase the value of the vouchers?
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Ok, answers a plenty coming. Vouchers for skinless chicken breast and thighs, frozen bags of mixed veggies, cans of tuna in water, and bags of pure oatmeal. I ate this for basically two years and was in the best shape of my life. Water is pretty much all I drink these days and is virtually free. Any costs that would be increased would definitely be counteracted by the decrease in diabetes and other obesity related diseases. See how Obamacare factors in preventative care savings. Good nutrition is way more effective at decreasing health problems than monthly check ups.

 
dohdough said:
I'm still stuck on the "work for welfare" part because that would mean expanding the government by providing MORE government jobs...jobs that would require a minimum wage and more than likely displace full-time workers, which would then also be reliant on the government for similar programs that he's railing against. But hey, COMMON SENSE, amirite?
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You assume minimum wage. I am against forced minimum wage. The program I detail would have litter pickup, painting and maintenance of public buildings, etc as requirements to receive welfare. No increase in costs and no one sitting around their house just collecting a check. It would also create an incentive to get off welfare.

 
berzirk said:
It's true, it doesn't make sense, and like many of those proposals, is shortsighted and neglects to consider how interconnected 20 other programs, departments, and events are. Then the forced sterilization/birth control? Jesus, the Nazis called, and they want ego to chill. I don't think anybody is happy that lazy people who are the face of the stereotype get free shit, but they are also the vast minority. I'd like to see defense, foreign aid, and some forms of personal and corporate welfare tightened up, but it's kind of like the mess of a healthcare system we have. I don't see a way to fix 2-3 things, without breaking a dozen more.

While we're on the topic of rants, I have a brilliant idea-federal taxed campaign contributions. Let people and corporations donate as much as they want, but the candidate needs to declare it, and pay 20% tax, with funds earmarked to pay down the debt. You want to donate $10M to the candidate of your choice? OK, thanks for the $5M in debt relief.

On the topic of great ideas, you know what also makes sense? Buying my children's book. Copies still available. Act now.
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We indeed do have too many wasteful programs. Simplify, simplify, simplify. I also decry foreign aid, military spending at such a stupid amount, and corporate welfare. Check my post history and you will verify this fact. The only reason that we argue about welfare reform is because the regulars agree with all the other cuts. O:) Why debate something we all agree on?

I am against a minimum wage. Welfare programs allow corporations to pay less BECAUSE they know that tax payers will make up the difference. Kind of like gov't backed college loans inadvertently upping tuitions, business sees a way to cut its bottom line and goes for it. We should allow customers to dictate what businesses succeed. If business declines due to a boycott over lower wages, then a rational, viable business will raise wages to bring customers back, foregoing any gov't involvement. We do not realize the power that consumers could possess, instead we seek gov't regulation over the free market to "solve" our problems. Maybe I am too naïve here and people would rather save a buck than band together and boycott for better pay. I also think that the standard of living is way above what is necessary for comfortable survival. You guys will have a field day with that comment. :wave:

Nazi? Really? Because I seek a way of ending poverty by making sure people who don't have the resources to live don't procreate? Are you aware that the population of Ethiopia has almost doubled since 1990 although almost its whole nourishment is dependent on foreign aid? Does that make sense?

I also bought your book. It is shit. O:)

 
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egofed said:
You assume minimum wage. I am against forced minimum wage. The program I detail would have litter pickup, painting and maintenance of public buildings, etc as requirements to receive welfare. No increase in costs and no one sitting around their house just collecting a check. It would also create an incentive to get off welfare.
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You're still taking away formerly paid jobs, putting those people out of work and on the road to needing government assistance. You're also glossing over a wealth of other potential problems, who pays if they're injured, who gets the benefit of this indentured servitude cause there's only so many public works projects to be done what happens when purely public works projects run out, how much time do they have to put in to get their benefits, if they're spending 40 hours working for their assistance when will they have time to attend interviews and fill out applications, so on and so forth.
 
I don't think it's going to put many folks out of jobs. A) these folks will need supervisors and B) for the most part, I assume, ego's talking about stuff like picking up litter from the side of the road. Planting flowers and painting benches in the parks. Good-works projects that are generally neglected or done by volunteers.

I don't foresee a time anywhere in the near future where we run out of trash that needs picked up off the side of the road by someone, somewhere.

I don't see it being a full-time job, but even if it were, I've worked with single parents who work full time and are taking night classes. Filling out job applications and interviewing isn't asking too much.
 
Also, has ego never taken a history class? Governments have tried eugenics, make work programs and having no minimum wages before. It wasn't like it made things better.
 
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