Demon's Souls - Atlus & From Software's Action RPG - October 6

[quote name='Saint Noir']It requires some stones to resurrect you, only cause for concern. I just saved all mine for the second play through to do it then (now). Also, stuff can be a bit harder in black tendency, so watch out for that as well.[/QUOTE]

For the tendency events, I actually just kept setting up my Blue Eye Stone at 1-2 in front of the fog to the Tower Knight. I gain souls and resurrect myself to suicide in whatever area I needed. Saved me the trouble of wasting my Empheral Eyes (or whatever they're called). If you don't feel like waiting for people to summon you, go the item route, but if you have some time to spare, go co-op that boss and gain some souls in the process. :)

You could do this with other bosses too, but Tower Knight seemed like the most logical one to beat and I always am summoned as a Blue Phantom within a minute or two.
 
[quote name='Jodou']Dodgers lost with one out to go. . .HOW DO YOU THINK FARMING WENT?!

Lol, I really hate this game sometimes. Spent another half hour last night and didn't get shit. Spent 20 minutes after getting home from work just now and got the five I needed. I literally changed nothing I was doing. At any rate, I'm now the proud owner of a Toughest Soul Trophy.

Right now I'm cheesing King Allant again and then I'm finally going to open Uncharted 2. Need to beat that this weekend before Borderlands hits the PC, because I can see that game eating a lot of time up with friends. I'm really getting sick of every game coming out at the end of the year TBH.[/QUOTE]

You changed nothing but the time of the day.... hmmmm..

last time that happened was it similar timing? It would be interesting if the type of drop is influenced by the PS3 clock... ind of like Animal Crossing used to be.
 
What bridge are you guys talking about? The only bridge I know of him being on is the one in 2-2 after you fight phalanx. You aren't talking about the one with all the arrow-shooting dudes in 1-1 near the roost are you? I went through that many times and the dragon never came there. Maybe that was when I was first playing and the WT was near white though.
 
[quote name='Apollo Creed']Cruised through 2-1. 2-2, I keep getting killed by
those orange floaty things ... take me out in one shot when I'm in soul form. Should I use the purple flame shield even though I'm a few points too low on strength?

One more thing ... any tips for dealing with
the rolling skeletons in 4-1?
[/QUOTE]


Just get a smaller shield and parry. It should allow you for a critical hit in return. Its pretty easy to get used to it once you do it a few times.
 
[quote name='io']What bridge are you guys talking about? The only bridge I know of him being on is the one in 2-2 after you fight phalanx. You aren't talking about the one with all the arrow-shooting dudes in 1-1 near the roost are you? I went through that many times and the dragon never came there. Maybe that was when I was first playing and the WT was near white though.[/QUOTE]



I think they mean the bridge in 1-1 near the dragon's roost?
 
Yeah that one. In certain circumstances (WT I reckon) the dragon swoops down and will fire on everything on the bridge. Good way to clear off the bridge or die if you weren't expecting it.
 
Someone tell me if this is normal: 9 god damn hours into the game, and I have 1-1 and 2-1 beaten. I'm really getting fed up, everything is too god damn hard. It took me a couple hours, but I got to the end of 2-2 (didn't face the boss since I knew I couldn't win, it takes everything I have just to ge to the boss room and I don't have a flame shield so I can't even win). I tried 1-2 again, and got my ass kicked. I have absolutely no idea how to use magic. And 4-1 I see no way around the gigantic fucker in the beginning.

I should really sell this game and spare myself the trouble, but I can't :(. It's such a pain in the ass for no reason, i feel like i'm never guna be able to beat it.
 
Make sure to use R3 to lock targeting for range attacks. You don't have the Fragrant Ring (for mana regen) yet, I assume, so I'd balance the magic with a good bow or you'll be eating a lot of flowers. If you have a bow, you can use the dpad to zoom in. Don't be afraid to grind a little in more familar areas to level up a bit before taking on a new area, and if you're in a new area, go slow and take mental notes of the enemies and obstacles you encounter, so you'll be more prepared in the event you make a mistake and have to go back and do things over.

I wouldn't get discouraged. It's a different type of game so you can't just blow through it all on the first get go...even the really good guys who are playing through the + games still die here and there.
 
Yeah, you an beat the big guy in 4-1 very easily with a bow. You can just sit far away from him and take him down without needing to move or anything. Magic is good for the 1-2 boss - stay on the top (after taking out the archers) and just dodge his attacks and fire soul arrow. I did that one pretty early (but I was a Royal). I have yet to even try to get to the 2-2 boss. I'm still working on 5-1...
 
[quote name='gunm']Make sure to use R3 to lock targeting for range attacks. You don't have the Fragrant Ring (for mana regen) yet, I assume, so I'd balance the magic with a good bow or you'll be eating a lot of flowers. If you have a bow, you can use the dpad to zoom in. Don't be afraid to grind a little in more familar areas to level up a bit before taking on a new area, and if you're in a new area, go slow and take mental notes of the enemies and obstacles you encounter, so you'll be more prepared in the event you make a mistake and have to go back and do things over.

I wouldn't get discouraged. It's a different type of game so you can't just blow through it all on the first get go...even the really good guys who are playing through the + games still die here and there.[/QUOTE]

I'll take your word for it, but i still have no idea how to use magic. At all.


[quote name='io']Yeah, you an beat the big guy in 4-1 very easily with a bow. You can just sit far away from him and take him down without needing to move or anything. Magic is good for the 1-2 boss - stay on the top (after taking out the archers) and just dodge his attacks and fire soul arrow. I did that one pretty early (but I was a Royal). I have yet to even try to get to the 2-2 boss. I'm still working on 5-1...[/QUOTE]

He takes 12 damage an arrow, it barely affects him.
 
Melee against 1-2 is a little tricky at first since you have to remember to
use R3 to target his ankles. Stay behind him as much as possible, dodging his rear attack (which is his weakest) and then go for the head when he falls over. Rinse and repeat.
Keeping a cool head means a lot in this game as every hit counts, and usually you can only get in a couple of strikes at a time (particularly if you are burdened) before the enemies recover and retaliate. Use your shield early and often and learn the timing for rolling or backstepping out of harms way. You can also pseudo strafe by targeting w/R3 and running around the target. Consider different weapons as each has it's own kind of attack style. I have a Scimitar now, but I'm not too fond of the short reach. Hopefully I can find the spear or upgrade to Dragon Sword soon...
 
[quote name='the_punisher']I'll take your word for it, but i still have no idea how to use magic. At all.

He takes 12 damage an arrow, it barely affects him.[/QUOTE]

1) Do you actually have any magic? You need a catalyst (wand), and you have to equip the catalyst as your weapon. And, you cast magic just like you attack. If you don't have magic then you have to get your magic stat to 10, and buy some in the Nexus.
2) Buy a lot of arrows then and stop whining. ;) There are a lot of enemies that are going to be just like that in the future (i.e. the dragons flying around in 1-2 and such)
 
[quote name='gunm']Melee against 1-2 is a little tricky at first since you have to remember to
use R3 to target his ankles. Stay behind him as much as possible, dodging his rear attack (which is his weakest) and then go for the head when he falls over. Rinse and repeat.
Keeping a cool head means a lot in this game as every hit counts, and usually you can only get in a couple of strikes at a time (particularly if you are burdened) before the enemies recover and retaliate. Use your shield early and often and learn the timing for rolling or backstepping out of harms way. You can also pseudo strafe by targeting w/R3 and running around the target. Consider different weapons as each has it's own kind of attack style. I have a Scimitar now, but I'm not too fond of the short reach. Hopefully I can find the spear or upgrade to Dragon Sword soon...[/QUOTE]

I've been using a Scimitar X5 pretty much the entire game, it's the only sword i really have.


[quote name='ChibiJosh']1) Do you actually have any magic? You need a catalyst (wand), and you have to equip the catalyst as your weapon. And, you cast magic just like you attack. If you don't have magic then you have to get your magic stat to 10, and buy some in the Nexus.
2) Buy a lot of arrows then and stop whining. ;) There are a lot of enemies that are going to be just like that in the future (i.e. the dragons flying around in 1-2 and such)[/QUOTE]

I do have a catalyst, and i am level 10, but where do you buy magic?

Also, i didn't think 12 damage an arrow was normal. I guess if you're saying it is, then i'll just grind in 4-1 and buy a shitload of arrows and take him down, geez :p.
 
[quote name='the_punisher']I do have a catalyst, and i am level 10, but where do you buy magic?

Also, i didn't think 12 damage an arrow was normal. I guess if you're saying it is, then i'll just grind in 4-1 and buy a shitload of arrows and take him down, geez :p.[/QUOTE]

In the Nexus, to the right of all the archstones, there's a guy sitting there. You can buy magic from him.

The big guy in 4-1 has exactly 2970HP according to the guide, so you'll know how many arrows you need.
 
I dunno, I don't remember using that much against him. Maybe I used soul arrow. Actually, yeah, I think I did. I don't remember it taking all that long though. The one that took freaking forever with arrows was the red dragon - and it's nearly impossible to see how far down you have him. I fired somwhat over 100 arrows and eventually he died.
 
[quote name='the_punisher']Someone tell me if this is normal: 9 god damn hours into the game, and I have 1-1 and 2-1 beaten. I'm really getting fed up, everything is too god damn hard. It took me a couple hours, but I got to the end of 2-2 (didn't face the boss since I knew I couldn't win, it takes everything I have just to ge to the boss room and I don't have a flame shield so I can't even win). I tried 1-2 again, and got my ass kicked. I have absolutely no idea how to use magic. And 4-1 I see no way around the gigantic fucker in the beginning.

I should really sell this game and spare myself the trouble, but I can't :(. It's such a pain in the ass for no reason, i feel like i'm never guna be able to beat it.[/QUOTE]

Not sure if you've used the Wiki, but it's a great resource. http://demonssouls.wikidot.com/
I've been using mostly the Deluxe Edition guide.

Having a good bow and/or magic is key to making the game a lot less frustrating. I don't use magic much, myself. I started as a hunter though and invested in my bow early. So far, I've killed two bosses, the vanguard mini-boss and the red dragon just standing still and pumping arrows. Part of me knows it's cheap, but ... eh.
 
[quote name='Jodou']Lol, you guys and ranged attacks crack me up. Learn2Melee! ;)[/QUOTE]

Well yeah, that too. :) Once I learned the beauty of rolling, endurance became my biggest stat. But getting a couple arrows into a tough guy before meleeing never hurts. ;)
 
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[quote name='the_punisher']Someone tell me if this is normal: 9 god damn hours into the game, and I have 1-1 and 2-1 beaten. I'm really getting fed up, everything is too god damn hard. It took me a couple hours, but I got to the end of 2-2 (didn't face the boss since I knew I couldn't win, it takes everything I have just to ge to the boss room and I don't have a flame shield so I can't even win). I tried 1-2 again, and got my ass kicked. I have absolutely no idea how to use magic. And 4-1 I see no way around the gigantic fucker in the beginning.

I should really sell this game and spare myself the trouble, but I can't :(. It's such a pain in the ass for no reason, i feel like i'm never guna be able to beat it.[/QUOTE]


I am roughly 11 hours in, I only have 1-1 and 1-2 beaten, and a little of 2-1 explored. I die all the time but every time I die I learn something and get better. If you are melee you should notice a definite improvement in how you fight by now, and playing a game where I can actually see improvement is why I am having so much fun despite all my deaths.

I can list out the basic tips I learned through repeated dying if it would help.

Also, try some co-op! Joining another player and helping may show you some level/boss tricks you didn't know about. Then you can recruit help when you are back in body form.
 
Everyone wa right, surprise! I now have 1-1, 1-2, and 2-1 finished, and explored most of 2-2 and 4-1 (but they're too hard right now). Currently working on 3-1, it's a long level and I keep getting lost too. The guide is pretty useless for this level.

I played a good 6-8 hours today, and considering i'm in college, that's saying A LOT. I fucking love this game, Atlus has done it again. Yes, I'm clearly bipolar.

I should also mention, due to a shitty connection, I'm now playing offline. Not sure how much this will end up affecting me but I can't help it, the Internet disconnects often, and randomly, and I automatically get booted out. :bomb:
 
I really REALLY wanted to like this game but today I gave up on it and threw it up for trade. I've spent five hours and have only completed 1-1 and am on the boss of 2-1.

My major problem is there is no checkpoint before the boss on 2-1, so when I die I have to take 20-30 minutes fighting my way back to
that stupid spider
I knew this game was going to be hard but having to spend 30 minutes to get back to a boss is ridiculous. Unless I missed a checkpoint somewhere. Perhaps I went with the wrong class or played it in the wrong order. Either way this game is probably not for me.
 
Well, yeah, there is the elevator which I think gets you right from the beginning to most of the way back there, anyway. You'd still have to fight through a bit of it. But if you found that one frustrating you wouldn't like some of the later ones. The 5-1 boss dedstroyed me twice and as far as I can tell there's no shortcut to get back to that one and it is considerably harder to get through than 2-1 (partly just cause it is so hard to see where you are going).
 
[quote name='io']Well, yeah, there is the elevator which I think gets you right from the beginning to most of the way back there, anyway. You'd still have to fight through a bit of it. But if you found that one frustrating you wouldn't like some of the later ones. The 5-1 boss dedstroyed me twice and as far as I can tell there's no shortcut to get back to that one and it is considerably harder to get through than 2-1 (partly just cause it is so hard to see where you are going).[/QUOTE]

Yeah I definitely will end up hating this game then. Too bad because I thought I was really going to enjoy this game.
 
Died at the end of the tutorial. Went to the first (and only?) portal/gateway and I've died three times now, just after getting to some guy in Golden Armor. How do I get to him? He's up on a ledge and I can't figure out how to get up there.

Oh, and the knight with red eyes looks fucking intimidating just standing there, blocking your only way through that part. "fuck that, I'm going the other way!" :D
 
[quote name='SynGamer']Died at the end of the tutorial. Went to the first (and only?) portal/gateway and I've died three times now, just after getting to some guy in Golden Armor. How do I get to him? He's up on a ledge and I can't figure out how to get up there.

Oh, and the knight with red eyes looks fucking intimidating just standing there, blocking your only way through that part. "fuck that, I'm going the other way!" :D[/QUOTE]


When you get to the first fog (guarded by a blue knight)
the first set of stairs down there's a ledge where you can see him (Ostrava) and drop down to him.
 
Almost everyone dies at the end of the tutorial - but don't worry, you get to beat on that guy later. He's the one in 4-1 that punisher was having trouble with. He's a lot easier to kill later, though, because you have more room to deal with him.

I believe the guy in golden armor is the one you need to save (Ostrava). You can get to him from above (you jump off a wall or something). It is good to clear the enemies out from below first though.

The red eye knight is not blocking your way to anything except a door you can't get through now anyway so don't worry about him. If you can kill him, though, you'll get a high number of souls for early on. Wait till you beat the 1-1 boss, though, and gain some levels before taking him on.

With soul arrow and the thief's ring (which you find in 1-1) you can beat him easily by sneaking just within range, firing a soul arrow, then running back to the bridge. He won't follow you all the way. Just go back and di it again. After 3 or 4 times he's dead and you can loot the corpse just past him and see that the door is locked ;). The online guide I read went through some convoluted way of luring him all the way across the rampart into the next tower and making him fall to his death. That is way too complicated IMO since you have to keep him on your heels all the way across there. The thief's ring/soul arrow method works much better. I should go back there and see how easy he is to fight hand-to-hand now that I'm levelled up and with better equipment. I have a feeling he's still pretty tough though.
 
I really suggest trying to get to 4-2 asap. Some of the easiest and fastest soul farming in the game. One can amass about 6060 souls if they're wearing silver bracelet (female only) and Ring of Avarice in 1min and 20 secs including load time. All you need is a bow and have beaten 4-1.

4-1 isn't too difficult, but I'd suggest packing some magic firepower and have a soul level of at least 30 (or high 20s).

I myself haven't gotten far. One of my chars only had 1-1, 1-2, 2-1, 2-2, and 4-1 completed. Just way too busy soul farming and too scared to proceed.
 
Demon Souls is going to be the first game (in at least 5 years) that I have not seen one second of footage of it or know what the game is about.

Let's see if the gamble pays off.
 
[quote name='option.iv']I really suggest trying to get to 4-2 asap. Some of the easiest and fastest soul farming in the game. One can amass about 6060 souls if they're wearing silver bracelet (female only) and Ring of Avarice in 1min and 20 secs including load time. All you need is a bow and have beaten 4-1.

4-1 isn't too difficult, but I'd suggest packing some magic firepower and have a soul level of at least 30 (or high 20s).

I myself haven't gotten far. One of my chars only had 1-1, 1-2, 2-1, 2-2, and 4-1 completed. Just way too busy soul farming and too scared to proceed.[/QUOTE]

Yep, I've farmed the reaper in 4-2 many times the last few days. I think I went from soul level 30 to 50 just from doing this. Unfortunately it is taking 2x for each level now but I need to do it some more to get strength and dexterity up for the 5-1 boss. I am also getting drops every single time from the reaper - darkmoonstone I think? I get chunks and/or shard every time. The WT is pretty dark for some reason (not from anything I did but because of being online I guess) so that must be helping there.

[quote name='DarkNessBear']Demon Souls is going to be the first game (in at least 5 years) that I have not seen one second of footage of it or know what the game is about.

Let's see if the gamble pays off.[/QUOTE]

You mean you are buying it sight-unseen? You didn't actually say that part ;). It is well worth it. I basically did the same pre-release and ordered it a month in advance based on the hype. At least you have been able to see the impressions the rest of CAG has posted since having the game for a few weeks - so it's really not that much of a risk. In terms of being very hard/impossible, I find LBP a much much harder game (to trophy anyway). I'd much rather face every Demon's Souls boss in a row than try to finish some of those LBP levels without dying. That wore thin on me in a very short time such that the game pissed me off and I've never played it since. I find Demon's Souls way less frustrating ;).
 
So I've managed to grab the items suggested from 2-2. The one thing I realize I don't do enough ... is go back to the nexus. I lost about 15,000 souls yesterday. :(

I think I'll jump over to 1-2 now and head back to 2-2 later on. Those bugs are annoying and take ages to kill.
 
[quote name='option.iv']I really suggest trying to get to 4-2 asap. Some of the easiest and fastest soul farming in the game. One can amass about 6060 souls if they're wearing silver bracelet (female only) and Ring of Avarice in 1min and 20 secs including load time. All you need is a bow and have beaten 4-1.

4-1 isn't too difficult, but I'd suggest packing some magic firepower and have a soul level of at least 30 (or high 20s).

I myself haven't gotten far. One of my chars only had 1-1, 1-2, 2-1, 2-2, and 4-1 completed. Just way too busy soul farming and too scared to proceed.[/QUOTE]
Don't forget to take that world pure black, because you get a huge difference in souls. I know I shot up maybe 10k souls per run just from the reaper alone.

Oh and don't play a female lol. The best armor in the game is male only.
 
Is the ring of avarice (sp?) the only available from the 3-1 merchant? I am around Soul level ~60 and its taking forever to get souls it seems like.
 
[quote name='BlueScrote']Is the ring of avarice (sp?) the only available from the 3-1 merchant? I am around Soul level ~60 and its taking forever to get souls it seems like.[/QUOTE]

It is
also on a corpse in 3-2. Save your souls
...!
 
Is there any way to get back to the Nexus without going back through the entire level? I'm getting really tired of dying at the red dragon and losing all my souls.
 
[quote name='io']I am also getting drops every single time from the reaper - darkmoonstone I think? I get chunks and/or shard every time. The WT is pretty dark for some reason (not from anything I did but because of being online I guess) so that must be helping there.
[/QUOTE]

What is your Luck stat at?

[quote name='FrankySox'] My major problem is there is no checkpoint before the boss on 2-1, so when I die I have to take 20-30 minutes fighting my way back to
that stupid spider
I knew this game was going to be hard but having to spend 30 minutes to get back to a boss is ridiculous. Unless I missed a checkpoint somewhere. Perhaps I went with the wrong class or played it in the wrong order. Either way this game is probably not for me.[/QUOTE]

You missed a checkpoint. Takes a few minutes to get back to the boss.
If you can make your way through the level and get to the point where there is the circular room on your right with a lava pit in the middle and a bunch of those fire gecko creatures on the wall and a dead body that had a Dragonstone piece on it, all you do is keep going straight, pass the (previously) fogged door on your left, keep going until you reach outside, hang a right, and activate the lever which starts a lift right at the beginning of the level. Plus a better blacksmith is down the lift. Then go back and go through that (previously) fogged door which is now on your right.

If you have enjoyed the game so far you shouldn't get rid of it yet. That boss was a little freaky and I somehow bumbled my way through it with only one death. Reading a note telling me where a safe spot was certainly helped.
 
[quote name='SynGamer']Is there any way to get back to the Nexus without going back through the entire level? I'm getting really tired of dying at the red dragon and losing all my souls.[/QUOTE]

To do it without losing souls best to invest in an evacuate miracle asap. Shards of archstone prolly work too... but these are finite. Haven't tried this.
 
[quote name='Saint Noir']To do it without losing souls best to invest in an evacuate miracle asap. Shards of archstone prolly work too... but these are finite. Haven't tried this.[/QUOTE]

Where?
 
[quote name='SynGamer']Where?[/QUOTE]

Guy in room behind blacksmith in the nexus can teach you miracles if your faith is high enough (10). Evac costs 20,000 souls and is totally worth it. You will have enough after beating the end level 2 bosses. Was my first big purchase.
 
If you have to farm levels, do it. At the Nexus see how much a level costs... go gather that much and run back home. Path will be clear since you just cleared it out.

Vitality is a decent stat to pump up early, as it gives you more cushion to get popped and learn from your mistakes. And luckily any stat increases defense. I pumped vitality up quite a bit early. Haven't touched it much at all in 70 or 80 levels since.
 
For the life of me, I cannot find a safe path down to the Flamelurker. I keep falling to my death. The one and only time I made it down safely, I had the boss down to an 1/8 of his health and bit the dust.
 
This is probably a stupid question, but how do you use magic and miracles? I bought heal and a couple of spells, but other than soul arrow which (i think) works automatically, idk how to use them :(
 
I just got this game and started playing it last night. I finished 1-1 and now am working on 1-2. Dying gets me frustrated sometimes, especially when you have accumulated souls. There are times when I can take on about 2-3 fairly weak enemies, but then there are times when just one simple enemy kills me. But I'm still enjoying the game!
 
[quote name='the_punisher']This is probably a stupid question, but how do you use magic and miracles? I bought heal and a couple of spells, but other than soul arrow which (i think) works automatically, idk how to use them :([/QUOTE]

After you buy them you have to speak to the guy to "remember" them to assign them as slot in your inventory. Then up on the dpad change them out. Need a catalyst to cast spells and talisman to use miracles.
 
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