Demon's Souls - Atlus & From Software's Action RPG - October 6

[quote name='io']Ah, well, see, I was taking about being summoned. I've never summoned nor would I since I've played the whole game in soul form. And besides, why would you need to summon once you've beaten a stage?

I have noticed that if you run from before the fog area into the boss area while your stone is down (but before you are summoned) it gets picked up - but that's simply because you are going from one section to the next (like 2-2 to 2-3).



No dice on the Meat Cleaver. I went to make that and realized I didn't have the Swollen Demon's soul any more. I'm assuming, then, that I used it to get Regeneration from Urbain though I don't remember doing that. I certainly have never used it :cry:.

But I do have the Dragon Bone Smasher I believe. And I did go in there with the purple flame shield. The problem is you get hit simultaneously from the front and back. I went in last night and tried Rage of God, but the front one hit me while I was casting and that was the end of me.

I tried getting past the one in front and that doesnt work - but yeah, something I read said to try getting back past the one behind you so I will try that tonight. It says to go slowly. I don't buy that, though, because they will just pound on you. I may try rolling quickly that way and see if I can slip by. I had enough trouble with the non-phantom one down there by Biorr's cell. TWO black phantom ones is a bit overwhelming, but if I can get away from them I'm sure I can take them out (since they will still be in the way) using the graverobber ring and associated tactics.[/QUOTE]

Great axe, have one of those, they too knock people over... is it not true that if you do a heavy swing (cant remember the neame) you are invincible for a short period? If so you could roll forward for a stike and do a heavy swing. That may get you past one, or knock him down.

Also isnt there a spell that stops magic form being cast? I swear I read that people used it on the BP scirvir....
 
[quote name='Snake2715']I am catching up from a few days pages, but this needs to be cleared up. I would have a blast going back to help on levels I have beaten..[/QUOTE]

After a bit of confusion, you can do this (in the right spot). You just can't summon.
 
[quote name='Saint Noir']After a bit of confusion, you can do this (in the right spot). You just can't summon.[/QUOTE]


Yeah Saint, thanks for the update. I noticed it was cleared up.... notice it was me who asked originally... Oh well I have plenty of time to try it out now.
 
[quote name='ChibiJosh']Whoops. Meant snake in that last post. Posting form my phone doesn't work well[/QUOTE]

I was going to say, catch up on what, to where? I think I'll shelve this for a little while now, the frustration of dying to Miralda a few times is gone now that she's dead so I feel at peace :p
 
Just an aside to the BP Satsuki conversation a few days ago when someone said there's no cheap way to kill him. Today I started at the 4-2 archstone, backtracked while backstabbing every fool I came across, then soulsucker-ed Satsuki. Like a dope, I even first tried to do it with not enough MP. So while standing within arms reach I used old spice then used soulsucker.

So while you can only do this on a second playthrough, it's possible.

And since I beat him straight up the first time, I don't feel AS cheap this time. I just wanted to see if it was possible since he seems to have a high detection range.
 
I thought that might be possible... but on the other hand... I hate the idea of backtracking all the way from 4-2 to get to a guy right at the archstone of 4-1.
 
[quote name='Jodou']A full suit of brushwood; the same armor from the tower in 1-1. BTW, the Brushwood shield +5 is the best in the game since it's 100% fire and melee damage absorbant. Against magic, Dark Silver shield +5 is a no brainer at 100% (or Large Sword of Moonlight with both hands since it's 80%).

To get past that dragon, you can use the Brushwood shield to bare the brunt near the top of the stairs and then walk the rest of the way past his range.[/QUOTE]

Ah, well, I seem to remember I could barely carry that armor, let alone wear it :lol:. That's the stuff past Miralda, right? In any case, pegging that dragon with arrows from just beyond the fire worked perfectly fine, though it was a bit tedious.

And what's with all this talk of running past Miralda to get the treasures? If you don't want to fight her all you have to do is come back when the WT isn't black any more and the gate will still be open but she won't be there. I just killed her with 2 x poison cloud though - easy enough. It would have been fun to make her run off the edge though ;). Syn - I'm surprised her body was still there when you came back in. I thought drops like that went away if you returned to the Nexus or died? I know I lost Biorr's drops when I went back to fight the blue dragon the second time.

[quote name='Snake2715']Great axe, have one of those, they too knock people over... is it not true that if you do a heavy swing (cant remember the neame) you are invincible for a short period? If so you could roll forward for a stike and do a heavy swing. That may get you past one, or knock him down.

Also isnt there a spell that stops magic form being cast? I swear I read that people used it on the BP scirvir....[/QUOTE]

There is but I haven't gotten the right demon for it yet. And besides, when I went back there the other day those guys were gone so it is a non-issue now. Boy is that level (1-3) so much easier without those clowns there :lol:.

[quote name='salty tbone']Just an aside to the BP Satsuki conversation a few days ago when someone said there's no cheap way to kill him. Today I started at the 4-2 archstone, backtracked while backstabbing every fool I came across, then soulsucker-ed Satsuki. Like a dope, I even first tried to do it with not enough MP. So while standing within arms reach I used old spice then used soulsucker.

So while you can only do this on a second playthrough, it's possible.

And since I beat him straight up the first time, I don't feel AS cheap this time. I just wanted to see if it was possible since he seems to have a high detection range.[/QUOTE]

Hmmm... So I wonder if I could do this but by going up to where the black katana skeleton is and hitting him with arrows from up there. He won't be able to get up to that spot.

Also, did anyone else notice that in non-pure black or white WT he is standing up on that rampart above the first skeleton? He is hard to see but he is there, in body form. The first time I saw him I took a shot at him because I thought he was a skeleton archer. He just backed away and I couldn't see him any more.

[quote name='mowmow']ugh my 2-1 spiderstone lizard escaped. besides the 2-2 fist miners anywhere else to get spider?[/QUOTE]

The first 2-1 lizard didn't drop many for me anyway (and I got him 4 or 5 times). You need to hit up the later ones for spiderstones. There is one later in 2-1 (to the left up the stairs before you go outside to where the elevator is that goes to the blacksmith) that dropped them the other night when I found him. And at that point I didn't even need any more spiderstones. I spent a lot of time last weekend farming them from the fist miners when the WT was black - got all I needed that way. So you could lower the WT and farm those guys too.

Oh, and ChibiJosh - I've now killed 3 black phantom NPCs and I am not able to get the friend's ring from the Monumental. I will take care of Selen or whatever her name is (in 5-2) and then see if I can get it. Hopefully I can do it without dealing with Satsuki.
 
[quote name='mowmow']ugh my 2-1 spiderstone lizard escaped. besides the 2-2 fist miners anywhere else to get spider?[/QUOTE]

2-2 fist miners are unfortunately the best bet. Terrible drop rate on the chunks.
 
[quote name='io']

Oh, and ChibiJosh - I've now killed 3 black phantom NPCs and I am not able to get the friend's ring from the Monumental. I will take care of Selen or whatever her name is (in 5-2) and then see if I can get it. Hopefully I can do it without dealing with Satsuki.[/QUOTE]

I have two of them, I'll give you one if you want. You'll need to level up though.
 
I am almost pure white CT I think... I hope. I want the friends ring so I can start being a blue helper more. On that note... time to start rez some random dudes.
 
[quote name='Saint Noir']This happened to me too... world tendency is kind of loopy. Mine went back to pure white on its own shortly after it dropped slightly.[/QUOTE]

Good to know, I'll check out my WT again today before I finish up the last parts of 1-3 and 1-4. I've noticed if I make a world pure black then go to bed I tend to have to suicide again before I start playing it again since the WT went up while I was away so there might be some truth to it whitening a bit on its own.
 
[quote name='ChibiJosh']Oo! I need rezzes![/QUOTE]

Just say when. I don't know why I find it so funny to summon people to my realm and send them back with rez immediately before they knew what happened. I laugh every time. Maniacally even.
 
[quote name='ChibiJosh']I'm in the middle of 5-2 right now. Hoping I can get the bridge down before I die.[/QUOTE]

My second playthrough of 5 left me with the impression I hate 5-1 much more than 5-2. With black leather and poison ring, I only got poisoned once in 5-2. Got to the end, died, got mad. Blazed straight through the second time again with no issues. 5-1 was making me very angry though... :lol:
 
I died... I was fighting the giant golbins with my bow (because they kill me one hit) and I didn't notice I got poisoned, and I died from that... I hate myself.
 
Alright, so resurrection does not improve your character tendency. I started checking with North Regalia. If you still need rez though, just let me know.
 
[quote name='io']Hmmm... So I wonder if I could do this but by going up to where the black katana skeleton is and hitting him with arrows from up there. He won't be able to get up to that spot.
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I tried this, but I only got three arrow hits on him before I got bored. After the first hit, he starts running all over creation. I tried baiting him with those soul remains thingies, but he never stood still. He even circled around and came up behind me at one point while I was standing on a little ledge below the black katana skeleton area.

So, in other words, I wouldn't go through the trouble of backtracking if you don't have soulsucker. :)
 
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Yeah, it's kind of hard to bait certain mobs, 'cause they run all over the place, making manual zoom/aim on the bow pretty difficult.
 
So, yeah, I thought 5-3 was going to be another long slog through a horrible swamp but it was very short, and relatively easy. First I took care of black phantom Selen Vinland and the primevil demon in 5-2 (yay, I'm 3 for 4 on colorless demon souls so far!). After beating the 5-2 boss (another fairly easy one) to get the world to pure white, I did not get the quest from Selen... Hmmm... But then I remembered when I was through there a while back she said something about her brother so I guess I got it then, even when the world was not pure white (so more inaccuracies with the guide, oh well...). I then thought I had to find him andf fight him and then go back to her, but I ended up completing 5-3 which was a much shorter/smaller stage than I had thought. Someone here complained mightily about the plague swamp - and while it is a minor nuisance, if you take care to take out, or at least injure all the nasties in there first it isn't too bad (and of course you don't even have to go in there to do the boss stuff). So even though I had to fight Garl melee-style which I haven't done too much in the game, he wasn't all that hard. The spear came in really handy and for the first time I found a use for the winged +10 over the moon winged +5, since he is highly resistant to magic (winged + 10 did about twice the damage). He also can't be sniped, so you have to go in hand-to-hand. That was a nice change of pace in any case.

So then I thought I could go back to Selen, but no, I still needed to go back in there again and fight his black phantom. I thought he was a black phantom the first time because he kind of glows red anyway from his armor. Oh well, went back in again and beat him again and finally got the reward from Selen. Now, I've beaten 4 of the 5 black phanton NPCs and still no friend's ring from the Monumental. So I don't know how you did it Chibi, but it seems I will have to take down Satsuki to get that ring. I might as well anyway since 4-2 and 4-3 are all I have left before the end boss (and old King Doran I guess).
 
[quote name='io'] So I don't know how you did it Chibi, but it seems I will have to take down Satsuki to get that ring. [/QUOTE]

You know, I got the ring during my first playthrough and I didn't kill a single named BP during that game.

I think I still have pure white CT. When equipping one of those weapons that will tell me which number am I looking at. The first column or the second?
 
If you have a CT based weapon like North Regalia, the second number will be a plus whatever in blue (for positive, red if negative I think). If you are plus 135 it is full white CT. Negative 135 is pure dark. 0 is neutral. All sorts of in between for the other numbers (+65 is on the positive side for example). I think it is 135... it is the same number as the attack power on the left.
 
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[quote name='Snake2715']io,

what level are you again?

I can take Satsuki for you I am level 82 now I think.

i should be able to do it in just a few tries.[/QUOTE]

Wow, I think I'm right at 82 now, actually!

I may try to take him on again myself. Besides gaining about 15-20 levels since I last faced him, I have much better equipment now (purple flame shield +9, moon winged spear +5). Hopefully that moon winged spear does more than the 25 damage my winged +6 was doing last time.

I'll let you know how it goes tonight I guess.
 
[quote name='io']Wow, I think I'm right at 82 now, actually!

I may try to take him on again myself. Besides gaining about 15-20 levels since I last faced him, I have much better equipment now (purple flame shield +9, moon winged spear +5). Hopefully that moon winged spear does more than the 25 damage my winged +6 was doing last time.

I'll let you know how it goes tonight I guess.[/QUOTE]

The main thing that may help you is get that skeleton out of there first by range (bow, as magic will pull satsuki in, in my experience).

Then just really pay attention to his moves. If you can dodge or block him without taking a huge hit to your endurance, it should be fairly simple in concept, then its just timing.

Dont think you almost have him and start taking chances. Just strike when you know you'll hit and wait otherwise. The knockdown from the larger weapons gives you a much needed break, even the meatcleaver can knock him down.



Saint was this directed to my question or Chibijosh's?

[quote name='Saint Noir']If you have a CT based weapon like North Regalia, the second number will be a plus whatever in blue (for positive, red if negative I think). If you are plus 135 it is full white CT. Negative 135 is pure dark. 0 is neutral. All sorts of in between for the other numbers (+65 is on the positive side for example). I think it is 135... it is the same number as the attack power on the left.[/QUOTE]

i am guessing CT is character tendancy, correct? I haven't looked into that much to be honest. The status screen that shows the entire set of info on you has two numbers for damage. I think they are all the same color (orangish right?),and there is one in the () , again if you were answering me.

The colored numbers in the item equip screen show the stat bonuses based on that weapon, etc.

Maybe I will look a bit more in the book. I vaguely remember reading that... I was thinking it may be unarmed damage or something..
 
[quote name='ChibiJosh']It was an answer to my question. I don't particularly understand what you're asking.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I am at work, not in front of the game. I will probably answer the question myself. If i cant I will revise or repost.
 
[quote name='Snake2715']The main thing that may help you is get that skeleton out of there first by range (bow, as magic will pull satsuki in, in my experience).

Then just really pay attention to his moves. If you can dodge or block him without taking a huge hit to your endurance, it should be fairly simple in concept, then its just timing.

Dont think you almost have him and start taking chances. Just strike when you know you'll hit and wait otherwise. The knockdown from the larger weapons gives you a much needed break, even the meatcleaver can knock him down.
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I had little problem just dealing with the skeleton when he joined in. And besides, when I played earlier Satsuki came after me immediately so I wouldn't have time to snipe the skeleton. However, I think I was wearing the thief's ring and not the graverobber ring so maybe he won't see me immediately with that on.

Also, I could get Satsuki down to a sliver of health nearly every time but the problem is that he heals SO DAMN quickly that you do, in fact, need to start taking chances when his health is low. You can't le thim heal. I was always in the process of spearing him when he healed and then when I tried to stay closer and take more chances he would invariably kill me.

But like I said, I've increased my weapon damage (both increased strength and dexterity plus better equipment), my defense (through levelling quite a bit), and even my stamina (I just put a few levels into Endurance last night) since then. So I'm hoping I can do much more damage to him per hit so I don't have 10-20 more hits of just 25 points each to make on him when he starts to get to healing range.

I'm really hoping he is susceptible to magic damage so I can get some serious power out of my moon winged spear +5. If not, I'll try the regular winged +10.

And maybe if the graverobber ring lets me sit at the beginning of the level and not get attacked immediately I'll also pile on the clever rat's ring (using Satsuki's coveted Makoto sword to get my health down to 30% ;)).
 
I'm Finally done with Demon's Souls! Got my Platinum Trophy and finally for the first time since the game launched, took it out of my ps3. I need a break from this game. 114hours 36 minutes, Soul Level 216. Maybe in a couple months I'll start a new character and see how much my skills have diminished.
 
^^^ Yeah, I think once I hit that point I will be completely done with the game. As much as I love it I'm already starting to get a bit burnt out on it and I'm still on the first playthrough and about 70 hours in.

But by the time any sort of sequel comes out (which is hopeful given the success of the game) I will be more than ready to get back into it again!
 
I'll have the platinum once I beat 2-1, 2-3, 3-3, and 5-3 of my next playthrough which will begin once I beat 1-4. I think I'll have the platinum in around 100 hours. I'm around 80 right now.
 
This is by far my favorite game I have played this console generation. However, I have to take a break from it after every level because of how much effort it takes me to clear a level. I anticipate being able to play more often on my second run through.
 
[quote name='Saint Noir']I found the second run through to be the one I needed more time with... much tougher for me.[/QUOTE]

I hope that's not the case with me because I'll be at 80 hours or more with the first run :lol:.
I was hoping I could breeze through the next few playthroughs since I won't be concentrating so much on the WT events. I'd like to "borrow" someone's foe's ring at some point so I don't have to mess with the black CT.
 
Beat the man-eaters and old monk (offline). Now I just have 4-2/3, 5-2/3 and the False King - that thing is tough (at least the one time I tried it)
 
[quote name='Saint Noir']I found the second run through to be the one I needed more time with... much tougher for me.[/QUOTE]

That's been my experience as well, although now that I know what I'm doing ... no longer had to wade all over the swamp in 5-2 before I found where the fog was, for example.
 
Well, NG+ absolutely sucks. I had read that the enemies become smarter and use better tactics such as parrying, but I haven't seen any of that in action at all. Instead, we get inflated lifebars and damage. Suddenly, the game becomes extremely tedious without becoming any more challenging. Drops are no better, items are the same.

Looks like I'll be making new characters instead of continuing on past NG+, at that point the game really does start to feel like a grind.

Its a shame that once you learn the enemies patterns and the traps of the worlds the entire thing becomes too easy, but longer lifebars are not the way to fix that.
 
Timewise, NG+ has been a lot quicker. But I just feel I need breaks after having to try a lot harder on stages. The enemies do start to use some of their advanced tactics more the higher you go with NG++s, but not so much in just NG+.

The good news is that the difference between your first game and your first NG+ is by far the biggest in terms of stronger enemies. It becomes a lot less noticeable on later plays.
 
As for the weapon and ring trophies, you only need to hold every item once and they don't have to be at the same time. AkariK helped me with both trophies. I was given every weapon I didn't have except Demonbrand to hold. I didn't get trophy so I gave them back. Once I beat Old King Doran and got the Demonbrand the trophy was unlock even though I didn't actually have like 6 of the weapons. Samething with the rings, I found someone random to let me hold a foe's ring briefly and when I got the other couple rings I needed, the trophy unlocked.
 
Nice. I was hoping this was exactly how that worked.

I need someone to let me hold onto a foe ring. And a blueblood and insanity catalyst would be nice as well... :lol: Anyone.... Anyone... Bueller... Bueller...
 
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