Demon's Souls - Atlus & From Software's Action RPG - October 6

[quote name='officerrickyross222']new article from kotaku

http://kotaku.com/5820760/dark-souls-is-only-kind-to-be-cruel/gallery/

cant wait for this game, hiding in coffins or becoming statues waiting for people to come by is gonna be crazy ![/QUOTE]
wrong thread, but nice article nonetheless :)
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=294361
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=285556

I just hope there aren't too many easy griefing methods like the pyro gravelord spell as that is pretty much zero effort to harass someone. You have to be at least moderately skilled to invade and beat someone.
 
[quote name='officerrickyross222']new article from kotaku

http://kotaku.com/5820760/dark-souls-is-only-kind-to-be-cruel/gallery/

cant wait for this game, hiding in coffins or becoming statues waiting for people to come by is gonna be crazy ![/QUOTE]

I must say the more I hear, I really don't like the direction they are going. But I have pre-ordered so I'll reserve judgement.
-The open world keeps sounding more and more open, where as before open just meant getting rid of the hub/nexus. I really liked the semi-linearity of Demon Souls.
-Everything is harder, I thought difficulty was just right in previous ones.
-respawning enemies, that respawn tougher!

With linear level design, you just have to worry about staying alive, and inventory. Throw in open world, now you also have to worry about whether or not you are going in the right direction. It also makes guides/faqs/walkthroughs impossible to follow.

~
 
[quote name='snowsquirrel']Are you one of those @ss-hats who has nothing to do but invade the same person's game over and over, and then send PSN-messages saying 'tks 4 teh s0uls lsr'? Yeah, I am a little bitter. I get invasion is part of the game, but it is annoying to have same guy invade over and over again.
~S[/QUOTE]

lol to be honest i NEVER invaded anyone's game i was the one always invaded lol, at first i hated but learned to welcome it once i learned better spells :D
 
ok so i started a new character with a royalty class and i go a compound long bow got my stats up to what the wiki guide said and when i equip it it still says im not able to use it properly ( 22 s/12 d) can someone help me with this?
 
[quote name='lokizz']ok so i started a new character with a royalty class and i go a compound long bow got my stats up to what the wiki guide said and when i equip it it still says im not able to use it properly ( 22 s/12 d) can someone help me with this?[/QUOTE]

Remember that bows are always used 2-handed, so you will get a 1.5x strength bonus, which probably takes care of the extra needed. (Disclaimer: I haven't checked the stats and I haven't even played the game in a very long time).
 
[quote name='Backlash']Remember that bows are always used 2-handed, so you will get a 1.5x strength bonus, which probably takes care of the extra needed. (Disclaimer: I haven't checked the stats and I haven't even played the game in a very long time).[/QUOTE]


ill try switching it to another hand if i remember correctly thats the setup i had with my wanderer.
 
It doesn't matter which hand, because your dude holds it in both hands when it's equipped (I think). What I meant was that the stat screen might be showing that you don't have enough strength to use it without a penalty because it's not considering the fact that you get to use 1.5x your strength when you actually use it. I guess that's almost like a bug in the game if that's true, though. Maybe do some tests and let us know if you're getting an actual penalty?
 
Weird, don't know what the problem is, you might double check to make sure you didn't get the numbers transfixed (you spent 22 on dex and 12 on Str). If you did accidentally do that, then all you have to do is up Str to 15 in order to 2-hand the bow. Actual strength is multiplied by 1.5 when two-handing any weapon so the minimum strength requirement to wield any weapon is reduced by 1/3rd when two-handing.
 
[quote name='IRHari'] You should get an in-game reward other than just an extension of your e-penis.[/QUOTE]

This. I readily second this. Uncharted still gives up some goods for trophy-related goals. GTA IV simply turned off trophies when you used cheats, but I like this way better. Kind of how they did it in Goldeneye, if my semi-reliable brain is remembering correctly.
 
[quote name='Backlash']It doesn't matter which hand, because your dude holds it in both hands when it's equipped (I think). What I meant was that the stat screen might be showing that you don't have enough strength to use it without a penalty because it's not considering the fact that you get to use 1.5x your strength when you actually use it. I guess that's almost like a bug in the game if that's true, though. Maybe do some tests and let us know if you're getting an actual penalty?[/QUOTE]


nah i figured it out i fucked up and upgraded the wrong stat its cool though it wont take me too long to correct it but in the mean time i have to skip certain areas/bosses since i use the bow alot in my past games. and with that im good i upped my strength 2 and now all is well.
 
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The small buzz from Dark Souls seems to generating some interest in this game. I have had a few friends recently ask about the game, and for some pointers on how to play. The emails I wrote back to them were pretty long. The one friend said I should put them in a blog post as it was a much better starter guide than others he found through google. Anyways, just posting a link to them in case it actually helps someone else.

http://educatedsquirrel.com/2011/07/29/demons-souls-what-need-to-know/
http://educatedsquirrel.com/2011/07...have-hated-it-but-ended-up-having-a-nerdgasm/

Hope it helps someone... and no I get nothing for page views, so this doesn't help me in anyway, just hope it helps someone else.
 
demons souls got a bad rap as far as its difficulty. its challenging at first but once youve played it some you get used to it all and its a fun game to play.
 
[quote name='snowsquirrel']The small buzz from Dark Souls seems to generating some interest in this game. I have had a few friends recently ask about the game, and for some pointers on how to play. The emails I wrote back to them were pretty long. The one friend said I should put them in a blog post as it was a much better starter guide than others he found through google. Anyways, just posting a link to them in case it actually helps someone else.

http://educatedsquirrel.com/2011/07/29/demons-souls-what-need-to-know/
http://educatedsquirrel.com/2011/07...have-hated-it-but-ended-up-having-a-nerdgasm/

Hope it helps someone... and no I get nothing for page views, so this doesn't help me in anyway, just hope it helps someone else.[/QUOTE]

These are brilliant. I've already beat Demon's Souls into the ground, but these posts would have been tremendously helpful when I was starting out. You really should publicize them more.

The one major suggestion I'd give is to direct readers to 4-1 much earlier on, so that they can secure that crescent falchion; having that makes the rest of the game SO much easier as a caster. No need to beat the level, just grab the sword and GTFO.
 
[quote name='unless']These are brilliant. I've already beat Demon's Souls into the ground, but these posts would have been tremendously helpful when I was starting out. You really should publicize them more.

The one major suggestion I'd give is to direct readers to 4-1 much earlier on, so that they can secure that crescent falchion; having that makes the rest of the game SO much easier as a caster. No need to beat the level, just grab the sword and GTFO.[/QUOTE]

Hey thanks I appreciate it.

That is a good tip to jump to 4-1. The skellies are tough though I know a few people starting out really didn't like them. I foung if I just inched forward so I could fight them one at a time, then use the block and hack. If your stamina sucks, might be better to roll though, as their hits really deplete stamina when you block. I also found the skellies easy to riposte, as they telegraph their hits so much... still riposting doesn't alwasy work, I am not sure if it 100% skill driven... I think I'd still recomend doing 4-1 4th because of the skellies.
 
Man, Im always lost in this game, I spent the better part of yesterday getting spooked out of my mind on Tower of Latria, and beat the fools idol boss...and the level gets bigger!? jeeez. and then after I beat the boss I get a message a red phantom has entered your world.

Out of fucken nowhere Im attacked by some asshole rolling around with a sword ten times bigger than my character and Im dead instantly, losing all my fucken souls with no way to retrieve them in soul form.

After beating the fools Idol, should I continue on Tower of Latria? Im lost on where to go next I dont know what to do after that, the game just seems to randomly throw higher difficulty enemies as soon as a beat a boss.
 
3-1 was the spookiest for me. I think that is the worst it gets, though the blood swamp in 3-2 is pretty f'n scary too... but by that time 3-1 will have desensitized you :)

I share your feelings on the red-phantoms... that is why it is good to play dead, no phantoms.

See my post at 'educatedsquirrel.com' for a post on tips that I made for a couple friends, that seems to have helped a number of people. The demons souls wiki is an amazing resource for any detail you need to know.


Enemies are likely getting tougher because your doing levels in wrong order. Enemies don't scale, their levels are static.

After 3-1, move to 4-1. After 4-1 it gets easier.

~S
 
After playing DS every other RPG(besides ME2) has seem moot in comparison.

And suggestions on a DS type RPG I should play to hold me down until Dark Souls???
 
Hard to say Brainberry, personally DS is one of those games that really stand out and i dont think itll be matchd until Dark Souls hits. Im playing DS now and the game is just incredible.
 
I'm still a PS3 newbie, but asdfghj Demon's Souls owned my soul since I got into it. Now working on getting trophies, and eventually make my character pure white. (Might've committed genocide and become pure black before knowing about tendencies...)


[quote name='Brainberry']After playing DS every other RPG(besides ME2) has seem moot in comparison.

And suggestions on a DS type RPG I should play to hold me down until Dark Souls???[/QUOTE]


Other closest game with a DS feel is probably The Cursed Crusade, but its release date is a few days after Dark Souls.

Both look pretty intense and in my wishlist~ 2011's expensive for gamers.
 
Honestly, I just can't understand why there's so much love for this game. It's a huge pain in the ass, insanely repetitive, and there's very little RPG elements, like an actual story. I'd consider this more action than RPG.

Granted I do like it, but I don't love it, nor think it's the best game ever. I really don't think I'd even buy the sequel, not until it hits the $20 or less market. I put the game in, bash my head against the wall for an hour, then put in something more fun and don't take this game off the shelf again for weeks.
 
[quote name='praxus07']Honestly, I just can't understand why there's so much love for this game. It's a huge pain in the ass, insanely repetitive, and there's very little RPG elements, like an actual story. I'd consider this more action than RPG.

Granted I do like it, but I don't love it, nor think it's the best game ever. I really don't think I'd even buy the sequel, not until it hits the $20 or less market. I put the game in, bash my head against the wall for an hour, then put in something more fun and don't take this game off the shelf again for weeks.[/QUOTE]

Anything similar to DS (minus the things your find annoying) that you would recommend? That sound like being dick, but the question is genuine.

~S
 
[quote name='praxus07']Honestly, I just can't understand why there's so much love for this game. It's a huge pain in the ass, insanely repetitive, and there's very little RPG elements, like an actual story. I'd consider this more action than RPG.

Granted I do like it, but I don't love it, nor think it's the best game ever. I really don't think I'd even buy the sequel, not until it hits the $20 or less market. I put the game in, bash my head against the wall for an hour, then put in something more fun and don't take this game off the shelf again for weeks.[/QUOTE]


i think most people like it because unlike many games released nowdays this game was and is a real challenge. too many games these days hold your dick through everything aim assist hints blah blah blah its fun to get into a game where youre just dropped in and given the basics and youre left to survive.

older games were just as hard if not moreso i can see why demons souls isnt everyones cup of tea its hard and you dont get instant satisfaction it takes time and work to get anywhere in the game.
 
[quote name='snowsquirrel']Anything similar to DS (minus the things your find annoying) that you would recommend? That sound like being dick, but the question is genuine.

~S[/QUOTE]

Nothing in particular. Some things I've been playing like crazy the past few weeks are:

Two Worlds 2 (my only issue with this one is so far no mobs have respawned, so the world is kinda empty)
Crackdown 2 (dlc was on sale so I bought the game. Loving just wasting time roaming the city killing everything in sight and collecting orbs)
FNV: Old World Blues (played through on the ps3, now gotta do the same on my 360. This DLC was just pure fun)
RDR: Undead Nightmare Collection (hated RDR when it first came out, and kinda hated this as well, but it's fun to just stand on a rook and pop off random zombies)
And I'm just getting hooked on Plants vs Zombies...got it on sale a while ago but just now getting into it.
 
[quote name='igotnodough']any tips for a beginner?[/QUOTE]


take your time,

chose how you upgrade your stats wisely

add the demonsouls wiki to your favorites

get a compound longbow and lots of heavy arrows

pay attention to your item burden weight last thing you want to do is touch a special weapon item and not have enough space to carry it. if you touch something to pick it up and you cant because youre too burdened youll either have to toss shit to get it or you will have to leave it and it will be gone.
 
[quote name='Brainberry']After playing DS every other RPG(besides ME2) has seem moot in comparison. Any suggestions on a DS type RPG I should play to hold me down until Dark Souls???[/QUOTE]

If you still have a PS2, I recommend King's Field - The Ancient City. It was made by the same people who made DS, From Software. It is single player, but I think you would enjoy it. It is first person, your character is faceless, there's no voice acting, and it is rather short. It's the closest thing to DS I can think of. I've played KFTAC and KF2(PS1) every year since I got them. I wrote a pretty good walkthrough for TAC, pm me and I'll give you the link.

On a side note, I cannot understand why so many people say this game is difficult. These people must be running up to enemies and spamming their attack button like it's Diablo II. If you're sword/shield, you run up to normal melee enemies, let them hit your shield so they get stunned, THEN you whack them. If that attack stuns them, whack them again. For enemies that can break your guard (giants in world 5, fat ministers, black skeletons, red eye knights), make sure your equip weight is less than half of the max - remove an armor piece or two if you have to. Roll to the side, or backwards as they slowly attack, then whack them. Many of the bosses have very cheap ways of beating them 1-2, 1-3, 1-4, 2-1, 2-2, 3-2, 4-1 Vanguard, 4-2, 4-3, 5-1. Use situational gear, like a bow, the Dark Silver Shield (for 3-1 boss, Reapers/Shadowlurkers in 4-2), Large Sword of Moonlight (1-4 Tower Knight BP), and the gear needed for hyper mode (Makoto, Morion Blade, Clever Rat's Ring). The Mind Flayers in 3-1 can be rendered harmless by using Anti-Magic Field, as can the 3-1 boss and her copies within a certain radius. You can rack up 140-200K souls in 3 minutes flat by Soulsucking the 4-2 BP dual katana skeleton and his 2 gold skeleton friends, and it takes very little skill to do that run. You can knock Old King Doran, Yurt, BP Miralda and BP Scirvir off ledges to kill them, and still get their gear. Bow/Graverobber's Ring for BP Rydell. Soulsuck BP Selen Vinland. There are so many ways to mop the floor with the enemies in this game that it's not even funny. If you're having problems with a specific enemy type or a boss, ask for help on a forum. I can guarantee you that someone knows a simple way to beat it, with the exception being BP Satsuki, because he's a filthy grass chewer.
 
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[quote name='Elixirboy']On a side note, I cannot understand why so many people say this game is difficult. These people must be running up to enemies and spamming their attack button like it's Diablo II. If you're sword/shield, you run up to normal melee enemies, let them hit your shield so they get stunned, THEN you whack them. If that attack stuns them, whack them again. For enemies that can break your guard (giants in world 5, fat ministers, black skeletons, red eye knights), make sure your equip weight is less than half of the max - remove an armor piece or two if you have to. Roll to the side, or backwards as they slowly attack, then whack them. Many of the bosses have very cheap ways of beating them 1-2, 1-3, 1-4, 2-1, 2-2, 3-2, 4-1 Vanguard, 4-2, 4-3, 5-1. Use situational gear, like a bow, the Dark Silver Shield (for 3-1 boss, Reapers/Shadowlurkers in 4-2), Large Sword of Moonlight (1-4 Tower Knight BP), and the gear needed for hyper mode (Makoto, Morion Blade, Clever Rat's Ring). The Mind Flayers in 3-1 can be rendered harmless by using Anti-Magic Field, as can the 3-1 boss and her copies within a certain radius. You can rack up 140-200K souls in 3 minutes flat by Soulsucking the 4-2 BP dual katana skeleton and his 2 gold skeleton friends, and it takes very little skill to do that run. You can knock Old King Doran, Yurt, BP Miralda and BP Scirvir off ledges to kill them, and still get their gear. Bow/Graverobber's Ring for BP Rydell. Soulsuck BP Selen Vinland. There are so many ways to mop the floor with the enemies in this game that it's not even funny. If you're having problems with a specific enemy type or a boss, ask for help on a forum. I can guarantee you that someone knows a simple way to beat it, with the exception being BP Satsuki, because he's a filthy grass chewer.[/QUOTE]

That's the entire thing I have a problem with, with this game, other than the insane difficulty. I want to play the game, not grind the game, not have to run it 20 times in normal mode, 20 times in black, nor do I want to run it yet again in white, just to get specific gear to battle specific enemies. I can't waste time like that, I don't want to waste time like that, on a game. Nor do I want to read a 500 page wiki on all the different ways to kill specific enemies. This game is too much work for it to be enjoyable.
 
So I've heard it said that royality is the best class to start as? the holy knight or soldier look promising as well, should I just pick Royality anyway?
 
[quote name='eldergamer']So I've heard it said that royality is the best class to start as? the holy knight or soldier look promising as well, should I just pick Royality anyway?[/QUOTE]


royalty class is good because you start off with a silver wand and magic spell ( soul arrow i believe) and its pretty powerful to start out with you can kill many of the enemies on 1-1 quickly with it.

im using that class now and id also suggest maybe using a woman as well ( theres 1 or 2 items you find later that work only for women that give you a boost in souls if youre wearing them) i believe it stacks with the ring of averice and the 2 diff soul sucking spells.
 
So I died in the tutorial against the first big monster. (Which I guess you're supposed to?)

Then I started on the castle. Which is 1-1 even though the game doesnt specifically say so. Dying. over and over. The game REALLY needs an auto lock feature. I hate how the enemies come running and then jump/lunge to attack. Makes it difficult to get the block timing right sometimes.

So I had hoped after going through a green fog door that when I next died I'd respawn in that location. Giving me the illusion that i'm making you know, progress.
Nope.
Just died, soul count back to zero. So do I need to exit this world once I've got a decent count of souls, level up weapon/armor and wash-rinse-repeat?
 
Click R3 to lock onto an enemy so that you can strafe around them. Click R3 again to disengage the lock or switch your lock on target. Walk down the long hallway on the bottom floor of the Nexus and read all the red messages on your floor, they tell a lot about mechanics like that.

There are 2 or 3 places in the first level where you can pull a lever to unlock a shortcut so that you can bypass areas. For instance, once you dodge the flaming boulder that is near the first blue-eyed knight you face on top of the battlement, turn around, walk down the tower, and pull the lever at the base to gain a new ring (which adds +50% to your current max health in soul form) and unlocks a shortcut to bypass all those stairs inside the wall of the battlement.

Can't level-up until you beat the first level, but you can use your souls to buy things like healing grass from the blacksmith.
 
[quote name='eldergamer']So I died in the tutorial against the first big monster. (Which I guess you're supposed to?)

Then I started on the castle. Which is 1-1 even though the game doesnt specifically say so. Dying. over and over. The game REALLY needs an auto lock feature. I hate how the enemies come running and then jump/lunge to attack. Makes it difficult to get the block timing right sometimes.

So I had hoped after going through a green fog door that when I next died I'd respawn in that location. Giving me the illusion that i'm making you know, progress.
Nope.
Just died, soul count back to zero. So do I need to exit this world once I've got a decent count of souls, level up weapon/armor and wash-rinse-repeat?[/QUOTE]

It takes some time bro, the beginning of this game is seriously one of the more brutal starts to a game. You just gotta go slow and then once you remember the layout it will start to come together. And once you clear up some shortcuts and what not it makes it easier to traverse.

But heres the truth of the matter with this game, you just start to get better...it just happens. And then youll bust through areas like nothing, and your character once he starts to get better gear the game just starts to open up more and the frustrations start to become a bit more controlled.

Purple Flame Shield, its a huge help imho and one of my favorite shields.

Which class are you again?
 
they speak truth with time youll become a beast. with my royalty class guy i dont even use armor anymore and i was able to beat it.
 
This game is one of the best in terms of feeling rewarded once you get further, truely its a feeling that you cant describe when you finally get past an area.
 
I got to come back to this game...I will but I want to finish mass effect 2 first. I got lost after I beat the first boss. I didn't know where tomgo. So I visited different areas and just wondered around. Last thing I remember is getting pastnthis bridge where a big ass dagon was flying over and spraying the bridge with fire.
 
yeah id say he should play offline until he gets to at least level 50 because theres plenty of assholes who love to pop into your games with level 130 and higher characters looking to get cheap kills. but killing those assholes does help up your white world tendency.
 
[quote name='lokizz']yeah id say he should play offline until he gets to at least level 50 because theres plenty of assholes who love to pop into your games with level 130 and higher characters looking to get cheap kills. but killing those assholes does help up your white world tendency.[/QUOTE]

That can't happen. You can only see invaders (and blue phantoms, for that matter) that are near your level. Although some people who are very good at the game have low-level characters with advanced equipment and grief newbies.
 
[quote name='lokizz']yeah id say he should play offline until he gets to at least level 50 because theres plenty of assholes who love to pop into your games with level 130 and higher characters looking to get cheap kills. but killing those assholes does help up your white world tendency.[/QUOTE]
I played through recently and only got invaded 3 or 4 times. It's not like he's going to be spending a lot of time in body form, anyway ;)
 
GOD!!! i lost 180k souls..... lol was trying to kill BPs at 5-2 and ran off the cliff, then i couldnt return to the spot and claim them.... ill just wait till my next playthrough to get the bladestone. And i killed BP Satsuki using dragon sword, since its fire damage makes him unable to move it was kinda easy.... after 20 deaths that is....
 
". . .and you can see Scurvy in Stone$$$ tunnels but he's stupid so dont bother."

I lost it at that part and couldn't finish lol.
 
Anyone still playing this much? I just picked up a used GH copy today, interested to see how the online/co-op works on it..
 
For cult-ish games like this, you'll see hardcore gamers pick it up and play the shit out of it, then it goes on sale or gets GH'd or something, then tons of casuals pick it up and it gets pop again.

For other games you see tons of people buy it initially, then the hardcore players are the ones left playing it a year or two later.

Not a hardcore player, but I played the shit outta this game when it first came out, I'm done until Dark Souls.

Oh and the servers are going down October 11, 2011. Last call everyone.
 
[quote name='IRHari']For cult-ish games like this, you'll see hardcore gamers pick it up and play the shit out of it, then it goes on sale or gets GH'd or something, then tons of casuals pick it up and it gets pop again.

For other games you see tons of people buy it initially, then the hardcore players are the ones left playing it a year or two later.

Not a hardcore player, but I played the shit outta this game when it first came out, I'm done until Dark Souls.

Oh and the servers are going down October 11, 2011. Last call everyone.[/QUOTE]


Starting to mess with it now.. I hope the multiplayer I don't come across any assh0l3s that just try to kill you for the hell of it and take off.. rather work together with others against the AI.
 
[quote name='IRHari']Oh and the servers are going down October 11, 2011. Last call everyone.[/QUOTE]
Pretty amazing that a game like this had the servers up for two years straight. I'll miss seeing my name in the Pantheon, but Dark Souls will fill the void.
 
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