Did we really ever land on the moon?

[quote name='jmcc'][quote name='Cracka']first off, to say that your comment wasnt a smartass comment is a blatant lie.

considering that scientists all over the world have stated that the earth is round, and the only people who told us that the U.S. landed on the moon was the U.S. government, i believe i have a reason to doubt. But of course you believe everything the U.S. government says right?[/quote]

The US government probably just makes all those other people say the earth is round, through threat of economic sanctions. Or possibly through some kind of mind control waves from the Hubble telescope.[/quote]

wait wait let me guess... that wasnt a smartass comment either.


i see your reasoning... you dont agree with my opinion, so you decided to post a bunch of smartass comments in an attempt to persuade me that you are right.


you asked me, so let me ask you. why you believe the earth is round? what makes you think we landed on the moon?
 
[quote name='eldad9']Oh and BTW, Jesus was a robot. I mean, everybody knows humans can't come back to life, but it's a piece of cake for a robot to shut down and switch on again.[/quote]

Actually, that was me. Or one of my clones, rather. Genetics and temporal mechanics are hobbies of mine. ;)
 
[quote name='Cracka'][quote name='jmcc'][quote name='Cracka']first off, to say that your comment wasnt a smartass comment is a blatant lie.

considering that scientists all over the world have stated that the earth is round, and the only people who told us that the U.S. landed on the moon was the U.S. government, i believe i have a reason to doubt. But of course you believe everything the U.S. government says right?[/quote]

The US government probably just makes all those other people say the earth is round, through threat of economic sanctions. Or possibly through some kind of mind control waves from the Hubble telescope.[/quote]

wait wait let me guess... that wasnt a smartass comment either.



i see your reasoning... you dont agree with my opinion, so you decided to post a bunch of smartass comments in an attempt to persuade me that you are right.


you asked me, so let me ask you. why you believe the earth is round? what makes you think we landed on the moon?[/quote]

In both cases I can accept credible indirect evidence gathered by the scientific community at large that supports the two assertions. I can do this because I'm not a big loon.
 
Did you know High Times once ran an article stating that they knew who really killed Martin Luther King Jr.?

Again, that was High Times. Just because someone says it doesn't make it so.

Anyone who takes the FOX special as anything more than speculative entertainment is crazy. FOX 'news' is often less than a step away from National Enquirer-style sensationalism. We went to the moon. We haven't gone back since because we have no reason too. It has no resources, to my knowledge we don't have the technology to make it worth inhabiting, and, oh yeah, it's an expansive desert devoid of life. We went there to say we went there. That's it. No alterior motive, no 'make people scared of us during cold war' conspiracies, we just went there so mankind could tell the moon, 'fuck you, we're never coming back.' I'm sorry, but who should we believe: the thousands of people who worked a large portion of their lives to make the trip to the moon possible, or a couple of crackpots who look at photos taken during the 60's and try to find Waldo?

... or we could believe FOX.
 
[quote name='jmcc'][quote name='Cracka'][quote name='jmcc'][quote name='Cracka']first off, to say that your comment wasnt a smartass comment is a blatant lie.

considering that scientists all over the world have stated that the earth is round, and the only people who told us that the U.S. landed on the moon was the U.S. government, i believe i have a reason to doubt. But of course you believe everything the U.S. government says right?[/quote]

The US government probably just makes all those other people say the earth is round, through threat of economic sanctions. Or possibly through some kind of mind control waves from the Hubble telescope.[/quote]

wait wait let me guess... that wasnt a smartass comment either.



i see your reasoning... you dont agree with my opinion, so you decided to post a bunch of smartass comments in an attempt to persuade me that you are right.


you asked me, so let me ask you. why you believe the earth is round? what makes you think we landed on the moon?[/quote]

In both cases I can accept credible indirect evidence gathered by the scientific community at large that supports the two assertions. I can do this because I'm not a big loon.[/quote]

of course i'm a "loon" for not believing what you do.

basically you just tried to make youself sound smart in this comment, you can easily tell by looking at every other post you've made about this.

how many different credible sources do you have that have good evidence that we landed on the moon? also i'd like to see these credible sources..

also how is the evidence indirect? did you just throw this word in because you thought it sounded good?


I'm sure you dont believe in propoganda(sp?). I'm sure you dont believe Area 51 exists either, because hey, the U.S. government says it doesnt exist and they dont lie.
 
Look, I realize now that it's wrong to belittle you for your beliefs, and I'm sorry for doing it. Realize, though, that the majority of people you'll come across won't share your beliefs, since they go counter to what's held as fact and as such, they'll probably think less of you for having them. It's just human nature. If you have some theory that hasn't already been debunked that you think proves that we didn't land on the moon, I'd be happy to hear it and discuss it's merits, but "I don't believe it because I didn't experience it personally" doesn't really hold any scientific weight.
 
i'm not saying we didnt. i know theres a chance that we did. I dont think we did, but i know theres a possibility that we did.

Me not experiencing it wasnt the reason i dont believe we landed on the moon.

I remember one day i saw a documentary about it (wasnt on fox), and they were making really good points, had alot of evidence, and that made me feel like there was a possibility that we didnt land on the moon. Later i saw several other documentaries about it on tv, and i read about it somewhere (dont remember where)... this reinforced my belief that we didnt land on the moon. Plus the fact that at the time, i'm sure there was alot of pressure for us to land on the moon before the Soviets, which makes me think that we would do whatever it took to be the first nation to land on the moon.

what i did say (or what i meant) was that one of the only things that could change my mind, would be to be there and experience it, because besides that, its just one groups word against another.
 
I don't think we landed on the moon, and I find it hilarious when people get offended by people who think so and quickly bash them.

Here are some reasons for my belief:

- Most of the evidence comes from or is manipulated by the very people who want you to believe we went to the moon ie NASA

- NASA is a government agency, even though most people are stupid enough to believe they are independant

- It is ridiculous to believe that NASA or the government would not go back to the moon because "the public lost interest" which is a story that is usually thrown around. NASA has spent millions of dollars on things that were not in the public interest; let alone known to the public.

- Why has no other country ever attempted to get to the moon? Did the moon suddenly get unpopular? The US definitely is not the only country with the tech to get there.

- If we were able to successfully get to the moon and back with such old tech why not go now or more frequently with the much more improved tech available?

- I have yet to see a picture of the flag or any other remains of the moon landing from earth, orbit or any other source not on the moon. The funny thing is that people will say that hubble is "too powerful" to see those remains on the moon. laughable!

- Ever heard of the Van Allen belt?

- Isn't it funny how the scientists at NASA forgot about the moon and started talking about making a colony on Mars? Why not try to make a colony on the freakin moon that is way closer? It doesn't make any sense.

- I seriously doubt that we got all the info we needed from the moon in one trip when scientists still do tests on animals in space which we have been to many times. If we are still testing animals why was one moon trip enough to satisfy all questions, etc? It is BS to think that one trip was enough to satisfy all the questions about the moon.

- At the time the US was in a pissing contest with Russia and in an effort to seem the bigger power, and not a failure after the big promise to get to the moon it is very likely that it was faked.
 
Actually the Fox documentary-was pretty good. Although the more likely conclusion i drew from it was that we actually did land on the moon, but we manufactured some proof to make a bigger deal of it. I don't think the arguments on a full hoax were compelling, but it's strong case that some of the evidence (ie photos) were forged/manipulated.

Dave Olson
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Did we land on the moon? Does the moon even exist when it's out of my perception? You can't really know for sure that anything exists outside of your own perception because, for all you know, everything else could blink in and out of existence when in or out of your perception. It's logically possible. Solipsism rules.
 
considering China has been planning on going to the moon for a while, I doubt that us landing on the moon is fake. Granted others could have gone after us, but no other country has had the financial resources to get there. the USSR did, but all that would have done was make them look stupid
 
LAFFO at some of you guys. Jesus, did you even READ the website someone posted that debunked pretty much ALL of the bullshit the moon hoaxers conned you into believing?

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. There exists nothing of the sort regarding the "moon landing was a hoax" conspiracy.

BTW, didn't Buzz Aldrin beat the piss out of one of those moon hoax idiots that accosted him in Vegas not long ago?
 
Yep, Buzz layed the Smackdown on some foo!

Like I said the main thing that bothers me is not the other hoax theories. It's simply the fact we haven't been back since 72. The fact we went to the moon BEFORE Pong but don't go back in the age of PS2, Xbox, and GC is a TRAVESTY a SHAM and a MOCKERY! It's a traveshamockery!!!

"Burgleflickle!"

All kidding aside, I am not really one to buy into conspiracies but I just hope we go back soon a lay it all to rest.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']Yep, Buzz layed the Smackdown on some foo!

Like I said the main thing that bothers me is not the other hoax theories. It's simply the fact we haven't been back since 72. The fact we went to the moon BEFORE Pong but don't go back in the age of PS2, Xbox, and GC is a TRAVESTY a SHAM and a MOCKERY! It's a traveshamockery!!!

"Burgleflickle!"

All kidding aside, I am not really one to buy into conspiracies but I just hope we go back soon a lay it all to rest.[/quote]

What do we need to go back for at this time? We're quite a ways away from building a base on the moon and there's not much more scientific study of it to do, considering it's a big dusty rock ball. Taxpayers would get pissed if NASA just started spending all the tons of money it costs to send people to the moon if there wasn't some valid reason.
 
No one got pissed at all the money it took to send the the Mars Exploration Rover to Mars. What valid reason is there to send anything there? Its a big rock like the Moon. Of course there is the miniscule chance of finding life (bacteria) but other than that, what's the point? It's the same as the govenment having stations in Antarctica. How much data is really necessary for a big block of ice?
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']No one got pissed at all the money it took to send the the Mars Exploration Rover to Mars. What valid reason is there to send anything there? Its a big rock like the Moon. Of course there is the miniscule chance of finding life (bacteria) but other than that, what's the point? It's the same as the govenment having stations in Antarctica. How much data is really necessary for a big block of ice?[/quote]

We have very little data about Mars, compared to the moon and the cost of sending people to the south pole is peanuts compared to the space program.
 
Really, the reason why were the only ones who landed on the moon is because its all fake. The moon doesnt exist. It's just a night light so we dont get too scared. The egyptians installed it there years ago to keep a source of natural light. It's been a long time since I wanted to tell people the truth, but I was waiting for the right time. And I think this is it. Dont panic, please dont panic...
 
Grow the shaq-fu up. Man went to the moon. Period.

Are you so uneducated that you do not realize when you are being manipulated by the media and a few idiots into believing that it is a hoax? Don't be a gullible stooge of a bunch of Luddites who are laughing at you.

Do u think that a government that could not cover up Abu Gharib (sp) and Roswell (whatever happened there no one will ever know) could fake a Moon landing? Don't give me that, "it was a different time crap" either.

Next thing you know, they will be telling us that the world is round -- geezus, everyone knows it is flat.
 
I feel bad for cracka - sort of.


Anyway, I would call the moon thing a big fat symbol of american power,at least at the time. I mean, I can only imagine what the world was thinking when they watched footage of an american flag planted into the ground, like its one giant swiss cheese colony or something.


The whole moon thing doesnt even seem like a difficult thing to do given the right amount of funding - why the idi..skeptics... its not like they *warped* to the moon.


China is going to go to the moon solely to replace the american flag with their own, sparking world war iii :lol:
 
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Here's an intersting read:

http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mmoonhoax.html

"There was even a movie with a similar plot, Capricorn One, starring O.J. Simpson, among others (1977). The difference was that in the movie, the fake landing was for Mars, not the moon. One group of flat-Earthers actually claims O.J. was framed by the government for exposing the fake moon landings through his part in this movie!"
 
[quote name='Nirvanaguy777']

I would like to keep the holocaust i.e. the biggest blunder of any culture ever out of this topic, it was a horrible tragedy and has nothing too do with the moon landing.[/quote]

Well, the biggest of the 20th century maybe. But there are other big "blunders" (which seems like a poor word choice) i.e. the Slave Trade.
 
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