EB Games clerk murdered, no one notices for hours

Regardless the point is gamestop pays half that or just over.

And they'll continue to get away with it as long as there are irredeemable fanboys and fangirls willing to take it just for discounts, dibs, and working at a job that they go into thinking of as 'cool' at the very least, and maybe even their 'stepping stone' to becoming the next Shane Bettenhausen.

Not blanketing every employee into that generalization, but it's the mentality that defines those stores, and it's mostly deserved.
 
[quote name='VanillaGorilla']It doesn't matter how much you make, no worker should be left alone to man a store, especially one in an area full of crime. But, that's not practical to the big companies who run the stores, so there ya go.[/QUOTE]

Agreed.....but if you read my other points you would see that again most areas around here it seems the gas station workers are either behind bullet proof glass or there are multiple people working the store. And every store almost has a camera. This gamestop had NONE of those things.
 
This is appalling.

The Evil Empire is much more concerned with their share price than with the safety of their employees. My security guard for the holiday season was revoked to keep the budget in "profit protection" (their words, not mine). My protest was met with the usual "other stores don't have guards" and "it's the right thing to do" (again, those are direct quotes, from the Loss Prevention manager).

That, among MANY other reasons, is why I no longer work OR shop there. I've been Evil free for over a year now, and encourage others to do the same.

R.I.P.
 
[quote name='jollydwarf']Regardless the point is gamestop pays half that or just over.

And they'll continue to get away with it as long as there are irredeemable fanboys and fangirls willing to take it just for discounts, dibs, and working at a job that they go into thinking of as 'cool' at the very least, and maybe even their 'stepping stone' to becoming the next Shane Bettenhausen.

Not blanketing every employee into that generalization, but it's the mentality that defines those stores, and it's mostly deserved.[/QUOTE]

Also as long as people are willing to shop there(though I admit im guilty of this one during buy2get1). It bugs me how many people that know better like those that post at this site shop there, or even shop there exclusivly.
 
Here's a picture and a newscast of the victim. I think a might have stopped at this particular store once or twice when I was in San Antonio. Rest in peace.
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Yeah, that's the girl I remember. Damn...that is weird. She didn't ring me up, she was just filing games or something on the counter while another guy rang me up. Two days later...wow.
 
It bugs me how many people that know better like those that post at this site shop there, or even shop there exclusivly.

I would say that I'm done with Gamestop forever and ever, amen, but even though that notion extends back to the time right after I secured a Wii, I find those kind of absolute statements bite me in the ass time and time again. That said, I haven't set foot in my local Gamestop since November 19th, and I don't see myself doing so again anytime soon. They really no longer serve any purpose to me, even if the employees there didn't fit the stereotypes at all.
 
jesus christ, stop with the gamestop bashing already. THEY ARE A COMPANY. COMPANIES EXIST TO MAKE MONEY. i cant stand how every thread i look at turns into a gamestop sucks for this many reasons post.

gamestop didnt murder this girl. so the hell what they only have 1 person open the store. at my job, i drive around from place to place by myself. does that mean if someone kills me, the company i work for is at fault and should be sued? no. it means there are shitty people in the world no matter where you go or work. just stop blaming eb/gamestop.
 
Even something this atrocious probably won't touch the atrocity that is gamestop. I hope there is some kind of backlash for the corporation's lack of security and foresight in this matter, but likely the asshats that shop there will continue to shop there. It's a real shame about that girl.

Maybe gamestop isn't to blame, murders do just happen. When I worked at GameCrazy we opened alone as well. I have closed alone at many places here in downtown milwaukee as well, so don't think that GameStop is the only one saving a few bucks by having people work alone.
 
[quote name='nativetongue88']jesus christ, stop with the gamestop bashing already. THEY ARE A COMPANY. COMPANIES EXIST TO MAKE MONEY. i cant stand how every thread i look at turns into a gamestop sucks for this many reasons post.

gamestop didnt murder this girl. so the hell what they only have 1 person open the store. at my job, i drive around from place to place by myself. does that mean if someone kills me, the company i work for is at fault and should be sued? no. it means there are shitty people in the world no matter where you go or work. just stop blaming eb/gamestop.[/QUOTE]

Companies are out to make money, but they SHOULD have to do so in manor with some kind of ethics. When they dont it SHOULD be our job as Americans to complain about it, and in an ideal system actually take steps to fix things. So how bout instead of bitching about us you get annoyed with the right thing. Grow up, stop being lazy and realize things are not perfect, need to be fixed and stop having the childish attitude of "o well there are evil people in the world". Thats the kind of attitude that just allows evil people to get away with this kind of shit.
 
[quote name='secretvampire']Yeah, that's the girl I remember. Damn...that is weird. She didn't ring me up, she was just filing games or something on the counter while another guy rang me up. Two days later...wow.[/quote]

Murder Suspect #1.
 
Is it that those of you blaming GS really find them to be somewhat at fault, or is it just spite against "the man"?

The girl was probably targeted due to the fact the she is female, probably somewhat diminutive (her boyfriend looked to be all of 5'6" and neither parent was of large stature other than the mom's chin of course) and the thief probably either knew her or at least knew that she would be alone in opening the store.
All things considered I doubt that EB/GS forwent security just to cut costs, think of how much they'd save in shrink if they did have security. Suprisingly enough some communities have regulations surrounding what manner of surveilance may be used.
 
[quote name='nasum']Is it that those of you blaming GS really find them to be somewhat at fault, or is it just spite against "the man"?

The girl was probably targeted due to the fact the she is female, probably somewhat diminutive (her boyfriend looked to be all of 5'6" and neither parent was of large stature other than the mom's chin of course) and the thief probably either knew her or at least knew that she would be alone in opening the store.
All things considered I doubt that EB/GS forwent security just to cut costs, think of how much they'd save in shrink if they did have security. Suprisingly enough some communities have regulations surrounding what manner of surveilance may be used.[/QUOTE]

*rolls his eyes*

Yes im sure even though most places these days use cameras and have electric locks requiring a numerical key instead of a physical key that gamestop not using these has nothing to do with costs. Nor does it have anything to do with cost that they now sell games of bad quality, nor does it have to do with cost that they buy obviously stolen games, nor that they sell stuff without instructions or cases, nor that their pay is low, nor that they put unrealistic standards on managers etc etc etc. Gamestop is just a horrible company and im sorry if you cant get off their jock long enough to see it.

Its true the guy probally knew this girl or atleast when she would be working. But thats true of many crimes. It doesnt change that gamestop has no measures at all to protect their employees.
 
So... even if there was a second person, unless the second opener at Gamestop happens to also being carrying a gun or is Tony Jaa, the only difference in this story is that we'd have two dead employees instead of one.

I'm not quite sure why anyone is thinking a second employee would have been some kind of deterrent... the guy would have just shot both people.

Yea, it's shitty she opened the store alone, and that Gamestop has no cameras, but a second person wouldn't have changed anything.
 
I'm a truly terrible person folks.

Here goes....

God, I guess Gamestop really should have just left the magazine racks up.
 
[quote name='SolidSnakeX99']Here's a picture and a newscast of the victim. I think a might have stopped at this particular store once or twice when I was in San Antonio. Rest in peace.

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http://www.ksat.com/video/10880346/index.html[/QUOTE]

I like how that clip cuts off as soon as the newscaster says the parents said EB is partially to blame. :roll: At least the parents recognize this and hopefully they'll sue.

And having more than one person there IS a deterrent, Roufuss. I especially think it would have been in this case. If you watch the news video it says she was found with a plastic bag over her head and her index finger cut. Doesn't look like she was shot, probably suffocated. If another employee were there, it's likely she'd still be alive right now.
 
[quote name='Dead of Knight']I like how that clip cuts off as soon as the newscaster says the parents said EB is partially to blame. :roll: At least the parents recognize this and hopefully they'll sue.

And having more than one person there IS a deterrent, Roufuss. I especially think it would have been in this case. If you watch the news video it says she was found with a plastic bag over her head and her index finger cut. Doesn't look like she was shot, probably suffocated. If another employee were there, it's likely she'd still be alive right now.[/QUOTE]

If another employee was there the guy probably would have just figured out a way to off both of them - not sure why I assumed she was shot... I'm kinda tired.

Like I said earlier, unless they hired another employee who could handle his own, I doubt anything would have been different, except both would be dead. Most GS employees can barely lift an Xbox, I doubt one (or two) of them would have been able to stop a criminal.

I just don't see *how* another employee would have been a deterrent unless said employee was armed. It would have just made the criminal think of a way to get rid of both of them. I mean, there could have been two employees, and let's say the criminal *did* have a gun, he just shoots both of them and that's that.

The important thing should be that they don't have cameras, because imo cameras are more important than a second employee since without cameras, they have no idea who or what this guy (or girl, who knows) even looks like.

I don't want to seem insensitive but I'm just doubting more people would have helped... there were plenty of times I didn't feel safe at my retail jobs and it didn't matter if it was just me or 8 other people, cause most retail employees don't get taught how to fight or how to take down someone.
 
MSI - Hey man, I never said that EB/GS is a great place, either in general or to work, just that I don't see a corporate entity being entirely at fault here. Could more have been done for employee safety? Of course, that could be said for anywhere considering how whacked out the population is. But just because this particular EB/GS didn't have a bulletproof room for employees I wouldn't hold the corporation responsible.

This is like saying that McDonalds really was culpable for that woman spilling coffee in her lap. By your logic both are true.
 
Its very likely the store was targetted precisely because there was only one employee that opened the store and because they don't have security cameras. What other store can you think of that has that value of inventory and would operate their store that way? I can't really think of any. I firmly believe if there was 2 employees opening the store a thief would have thought twice because each extra employee is one more liability for them. "Crowd control" and all that.
 
[quote name='nasum']

This is like saying that McDonalds really was culpable for that woman spilling coffee in her lap. By your logic both are true.[/QUOTE]

Not to get off topic but if you read the actual details of that case, McDonalds was partially at fault in the situation. Maybe not to the degree of which they were punitively punished but they still could have prevented the situation.
 
One thing that I think people fail to realize at least from the security equipment standpoint is that stores are often simply leasing the space for the store. Thus, depending on the lease, your options for security can be limited to those provided by the property owner. For example, when I was in high school I worked at a store that was on a mall's property. The store wasn't actually in the mall, but rather more like in the parking lot. However, besides the LP people (who only came in about once a week if that) we had to rely on mall security guards and could not install any kind of surveilence system besides what was existing in the store (at least that was what I was told). the mall actually had really decent security, fairly high tech too but basically when it came to all the security equipment/guards the store's hands were tied.

All that aside however that does not mean you can't hire two people to open/close or additional special training for what to do sercuity-wise when alone in the store, etc., etc. For instance at the store I was just talking about we were told never to let anyone in past closing that didn't work there mainly due to that's the most likely time robbers would try come in, and we never closed with one person. I was too young at the time to ever open the store (I do know 2 people always opened too and 2 more would come in at about 4 or 5 to take over), but my guess is the credo was the same.
 
[quote name='nasum']
This is like saying that McDonalds really was culpable for that woman spilling coffee in her lap. By your logic both are true.[/quote]


The verdict was decided in her favor...
 
If you think that having 2 people would make a difference, you are probably wrong. In New Jersey about 4 years ago, someone came in that morning and killed both associates that were there at the GameStop.
 
[quote name='FREAKMIKE3']If you think that having 2 people would make a difference, you are probably wrong. In New Jersey about 4 years ago, someone came in that morning and killed both associates that were there at the GameStop.[/quote]With two people to deal with, it actually requires some thought. Depending on who committed the crime, that might be too much. For example, with one person, as soon as you get a hold of that person, you have no more problems. They open the door, you grab them, no more issues. If there is a second person, what do they do while you're dealing with the first person? Freeze, scared stiff? Pick up the phone and call the cops? Run out the back? Pull out a gun? You don't really know. That's why the mere presence of another person acts as a deterrent by complicating the matter.
 
[quote name='FREAKMIKE3']If you think that having 2 people would make a difference, you are probably wrong. In New Jersey about 4 years ago, someone came in that morning and killed both associates that were there at the GameStop.[/QUOTE]

With two people you never know what will happan which for some criminals makes a difference. If a person is a cold blooded killer that will just kill to kill then no your right it wont make a difference. But not everyone is going to commit a crime by killing everyone in a store first. Alot of people may only kill if there is a struggle or if its their first crime and they get too nervous, and alot of people would only kill one person because bam its over with.

For all we know the guy picked this girl because she was an easy target but yet she put up a fight and that was the only reason she was killed. With a second employee there that person never would have choosen to commit this crime, and if he did then they might still be alive, that he cut her implies that he was either not armed or that there was a struggle where the second employee could have made a difference.
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']With two people you never know what will happan which for some criminals makes a difference. If a person is a cold blooded killer that will just kill to kill then no your right it wont make a difference. But not everyone is going to commit a crime by killing everyone in a store first. Alot of people may only kill if there is a struggle or if its their first crime and they get too nervous, and alot of people would only kill one person because bam its over with.

For all we know the guy picked this girl because she was an easy target but yet she put up a fight and that was the only reason she was killed. With a second employee there that person never would have choosen to commit this crime, and if he did then they might still be alive, that he cut her implies that he was either not armed or that there was a struggle where the second employee could have made a difference.[/QUOTE]

No. I have been robbed before. The mother fuckers dont care. There were THREE..THREE of us there. If someone wants to rob you, its gonna happen. Its not all Ocean's 11, and OMG LAZER!!1! Avoid! MUST HAVE PLAN! Dirty, broke, thieving, killing bastards dont care. Was she an easy target? yeah... but so are the millions of other men and women who work anywhere...
 
[quote name='FREAKMIKE3']No. I have been robbed before. The mother fuckers dont care. There were THREE..THREE of us there. If someone wants to rob you, its gonna happen. Its not all Ocean's 11, and OMG LAZER!!1! Avoid! MUST HAVE PLAN! Dirty, broke, thieving, killing bastards dont care. Was she an easy target? yeah... but so are the millions of other men and women who work anywhere...[/QUOTE]

*rolls eyes*
Way to make an ignorant assumption. Just because it happaned that way to you means it always happans that way. If you read my post you would see that I used some very common sense and stated that people are different and thus robberies are. Some are just going to happan no way around it, but a number of others CAN be provented with proper measures. Your a moron if you dont think that stores with multiple employees and cameras have lower crime rates.
 
Does anyone have access to the injuries or method of murder? Details such as that, while unpleasant, may just help in determining what the motive may have been.

Police suggest robbery, but I have read nothing suggesting that anything was stolen.

This just seems suspicious because robberies and murders aren't as closely linked as you might think they are.

Moreover, your feigned outrage for EB Games can be put to rest, lest you become the kind of person who is outraged with all anti-personnel profit motives in any given industry (sometimes known as "running a business").
 
[quote name='mykevermin']1. It is not "our" industry. Stop using that.

2. If you think that the "game industry" is the worst, you clearly don't smoke, drink beer, wear namebrand sneakers, drive an automobile, eat at restaraunts, go to bars, go to theatres, or do anything social at all. If you tell me to be outraged because a business puts profits ahead of safety, you're just explaining some fuckin' Adam Smith 101 to me. Many manufacturing jobs fail to adapt to modern government safety standards (steel mills and mining come to mind) because it is far cheaper to pay off the family of a suddenly-dead employees and/or the government agency levying fines at them). Keep your phony hyperbole to yourself. This "worst industry" of yours has resulted in one employee death over what is likely *decades* of business. Compare that to any factory/warehouse/manufacturing/industrial labor. And after you're done comparing, shut the fuck up.


Do I think EB Games is culpable? Sure I do. Am I ready to make a documentary about the deadly video game sales industry? No, because this is an anomalous incident, and while it should be treated with seriousness, and forward-looking means of preventing this, one would do well to avoid blowing this out of proportion. Something I'm afraid you've already managed to screw up.[/quote]

Better than I could have said it.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Moreover, your feigned outrage for EB Games can be put to rest, lest you become the kind of person who is outraged with all anti-personnel profit motives in any given industry (sometimes known as "running a business").[/quote]


hahah.:bouncy:
 
[quote name='SolidSnakeX99']Here's a picture and a newscast of the victim. I think a might have stopped at this particular store once or twice when I was in San Antonio. Rest in peace.

10880622_320X240.jpg




http://www.ksat.com/video/10880346/index.html[/QUOTE]
Thats definitely the girl I saw last week while penny guide hunting. I got all my stores mixed up, but that face looks too familiar.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']...all anti-personnel profit motives in any given industry (sometimes known as "running a business").[/quote]

Careful, Professor. This seems to imply that such motives are necessary to succeed in business. Of course, we all have different definitions of success...
 
[quote name='Darkside Hazuki']Careful, Professor. This seems to imply that such motives are necessary to succeed in business. Of course, we all have different definitions of success...[/QUOTE]

To be fair, some of my quotes come off as if I'm some sort of full-on laissez-faire capitalist. I'm not that by any stretch. I surely don't think that it's in the best interests of society that a mining company or a steel mill finds it cheaper to pay the penalties, fines, and hush money for accidental injuries or deaths than does to keep its business up to government standards. I tend to value human life over the "bottom line" in business.

Nevertheless, the kind of "EB Games could have prevented this" nonsense is little more than an irrational, knee-jerk, emotive reaction to an isolated incident. Something really bugs me about this matter (particularly the fact that the murderer was in the store prior to opening, unless they knew how to rearrange the store to look like it never opened for the day), and it's something that tells me there's more personal than nonpersonal robbery about this case. Even if it is shown to be nothing more than a run of the mill robbery gone awry, to suggest that having another employee present would change things is really missing the point, because they can't prove that. Is a second person a deterrent? Sure, so is a camera. Is it a foolproof deterrent? Not a chance. Is it an effective deterrent? On some days (PS3 launch, for instance) would it be nice to have extra employees? Hell, the PS3 launch should have had police on the premise until all units were sold that day. But will it be a cost-effective solution to have two employees working at all times? Oh, no, not at all. It's not nice to say that, but they are a business, and I think that occurrences such as this are so isolated that a company-wide response (mandatory two-person workforce) would be an unnecessarily and irrational response.

Truth be told, I'm no fucking gun advocate at *all*, but one thing that does have a massive depression on personal crime victimization rates is conceal and carry legislation. Passing C&C in Texas dropped the forcible rape rate to the fucking floor, and if we're going to focus on preventative responses to crime (rather than reactive), I don't see why C&C legislation would be such a bad thing. Moreover, it would reduce the number of goddamned kids working in stores, and perhaps force a living wage amongst workers in various no-collar industries.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']
Truth be told, I'm no fucking gun advocate at *all*, but one thing that does have a massive depression on personal crime victimization rates is conceal and carry legislation. Passing C&C in Texas dropped the forcible rape rate to the fucking floor, and if we're going to focus on preventative responses to crime (rather than reactive), I don't see why C&C legislation would be such a bad thing. Moreover, it would reduce the number of goddamned kids working in stores, and perhaps force a living wage amongst workers in various no-collar industries.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I'm surprised hearing you say that because I consider you a Liberal, but not the sad sack of NeoLiberal apologist crap that is alonzo.
 
The way most EB/Gamestop stores look when I go to them, it seems like they'd benefit from having two people in the store at all times. Nothing is organized, there's crap all over the floor and counters, racks are packed to the gills with garbage..
 
[quote name='jer7583']The way most EB/Gamestop stores look when I go to them, it seems like they'd benefit from having two people in the store at all times. Nothing is organized, there's crap all over the floor and counters, racks are packed to the gills with garbage..[/QUOTE]

Then there is the fact that while there are slow periods it seems most of the time there are atleast 3 costumers in the store but often like 10...and the line is long and people pissed.
 
[quote name='jer7583']The way most EB/Gamestop stores look when I go to them, it seems like they'd benefit from having two people in the store at all times. Nothing is organized, there's crap all over the floor and counters, racks are packed to the gills with garbage..[/QUOTE]

So true. This is why when I worked there I made sure to keep the store tidy and organized at all times. Unfortunately it seems like no other employee in the entire company cares about that.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Does anyone have access to the injuries or method of murder? Details such as that, while unpleasant, may just help in determining what the motive may have been.

Police suggest robbery, but I have read nothing suggesting that anything was stolen.

This just seems suspicious because robberies and murders aren't as closely linked as you might think they are.
[/QUOTE]

They typically aren't linked, she herself may have been the target of the killer. However, they police did say they reported the money missing from the register, which still doesn't exactly make robbery the primary motive. Hopefully an investigation will go yeild more detailed results.
 
Somebody had to have seen something. I think there's a Starbucks like 2 stores down from that store, and there's other stores right next to it.
 
[quote name='Kaijufan']This is very sad. Hopefully Gamestop will increase security in all of their stores in the future.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, there was a blurb on the news about the family pissed at GS for not providing enough security.
 
Nothing will change.

Its sad, because GameStop does not allow a whole lot of hours, that people have to often run a store for hours alone. Sadly she probably let him in, and he took advantage of the situation. I would assume that if its a high-crime town, that an armored vehicle would come pick up the previous days deposit, but maybe she was getting ready to drive to the bank with it? I know I had to do that all the time, but I just hit the deposit in my jacket and acted like I was going out for a cigarette.

GS/EB really needs to put in ATLEAST 2 real cameras. One at the enterance and one right above the cash tills. This would atleast help find out who did it. Sadly the camera's are not there to catch killers, they are there to catch employees stealing.
 
[quote name='Dead of Knight']So true. This is why when I worked there I made sure to keep the store tidy and organized at all times. Unfortunately it seems like no other employee in the entire company cares about that.[/QUOTE]
They don't give you the hours to do that. Especially right after the Christmas season. Right now, other then the manager and assistant manager, everyone is working like 8 hours a week. Which means they open the store and are alone until about 2:30. There's usually no more than two people working at a time, and when you have to deal with customers you just don't have time to clean the store. We can't even stay late to do it because they don't want to pay us.

Anyway, sad story. Hopefully they catch the guy.
 
How is it any different from someone getting killed at KFC or Burger King?
 
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