Flash Forward - Thursdays at 8pm/7pm CT on ABC (Not Renewed for a 2nd Season)

[quote name='keithp']Ok, anyone else ready to vomit at how incredibly stupid Olivia's character is now? For the entire season she keeps telling Mark she will never be with Lloyd, now suddenly she goes over to his house and they start smooching it up? I understand the writers had to get them together SOMEHOW, but they could've made an attempt to write it a little better, with some kind of buildup instead of her just caving in in the space of one episode...geeeeesh.... /rant[/QUOTE]

[quote name='blandstalker']That bothered me too. I can accept that she might be a little in to him (and just unwilling to admit it), but there was really no transition from "Bye Mark" to "Hellllllloooooo Lloyd". You consoled my daughter in the park for two minutes....so now I want to jump your bones!

Then again, everyone on this show seems to have Moron Moments, so maybe it's just Olivia's turn. It's just frustrating when the strongest, smartest character does a 180 for no reason we can understand.[/QUOTE]


Olivia's the most retarded character on the show.

1) In the begining "Oh the time flash forwards don't matter, they don't exist, they are nothing"..... then recently, "let's move away because it's all serious with the flash forwards, I totally believe!"

2) The whole, I don't love him (Lloyd), but yet I seriously want his dick in my mouth?!? since the last episode....

3) Stupid disagrement about staying or leaving with the family... and Mark MOVES out...? WTF. A world issue, and she's taking it personally..... selfish bitch.

I am praying that she ends up dead by the end of some episode in the near future.
 
Tonights episode was pretty good for me. I liked that it felt like it had a decent flow to the story tonight and didn't waste time saying the same things. Towards the end I liked when
the sprinklers came on and ruined the map of the future. I did not like the corny December 12, 2016 Everything ends crap though.
 
Last nights episode was really the best I've seen... action action action! If they can just deliver that every episode... things will be great.
 
Last nights episode was great some ?'s were answered and many others have now opened up.
Which futures did Mark focus on before the "sprinkler" wiped them out? What is the purpose of the first savant guy? Did the other savant that spoke with Olivia memorize all the futures that were on Frost's board? How much of the FBI is compromised? What is the significance of December 12 2016 "the end"?
 
LOL at 2016...This show won't even get close to that date..They should've made it 2012 like everyone else believes. Mayans FTW!
 
This week's was pretty good, but some of the questions I have afterwards bother me.
+ Demitri lived

- if D. Gibbons wants Mark to find and rescue Demitri (which it sounds like he does, saying "You have everything you need" and giving him the photo and the book title) why is he playing games? Give them the fucking address and tell him "Cut the red wire, then the blue wire". If you don't want them to do it immediately, do a time-release video.

- Even if he wanted to hide the address from someone, what's the point in hiding the wire color and order? Why take the chance that someone involved would fuck that up or not know what he's talking about?

I guess I really don't see the point of the whole setup. If D. Gibbons wants Mark to take him into custody safely, why give out clues at all? If Mark & company had been brighter bulbs, they could have worked out where Demitri was and which wires to cut before Mark left the train station.

The whole point seems to be to make it seem mysterious, with strange clues and images and Dr. Seuss, when it's all just kinda pedestrian underneath.

(Perhaps D. Gibbons was able to foresee that they needed the clues, but wouldn't work them out until later. Which brings me to....)

+ Mark was able to surprise D. Gibbons

- Alda/Whatever her name is was able to surprise D. Gibbons

I can see being surprised by the small stuff, but D. Gibbons is supposed to see all the branching pathways and possibilities. You would think something as big as the terrorist escaping jail and shooting him would be one of those things. D. Gibbons did say Demitri killed him in 78% of the futures. Such a precise figure implies he looked at some of the alternates. Why didn't he see what was coming? If it's that rare and unpredictable, aren't they in a lot of trouble now?

If he foresaw it, he should have made some sort of comment, even as brief as "Oh, her!". If not, he should have also made some sort of comment like "This was unexpected". Even though either way he looks like a tool, it's better than saying what he did say: nothing. You can't be Mr. Badass Manipulator and then totally miss something so big.

Speaking about Ms. Terrorist, how did she find Mark and D. Gibbons? If she and her organization are that much better than the FBI and D. Gibbons, then everyone is fucked.

This, to me, seems to be a fundamental problem. They built up D. Gibbons, even within this episode, to be able to see and predict paths with amazing skill and accuracy. Getting and using Demitri's gun, both on the homeless savant and on Demitri. The videotape. Planning Mark's escape route and completely evading the FBI. These are things that should be impossibly hard, yet we can accept that he's badass enough to accomplish them.

So how could he have failed so hard?
 
I can see being surprised by the small stuff, but D. Gibbons is supposed to see all the branching pathways and possibilities. You would think something as big as the terrorist escaping jail and shooting him would be one of those things. D. Gibbons did say Demitri killed him in 78% of the futures. Such a precise figure implies he looked at some of the alternates. Why didn't he see what was coming? If it's that rare and unpredictable, aren't they in a lot of trouble now?
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Dyson Frost didn't see all of the possibilities, just a lot of them. The possibilities are essentially endless, although they seem to commonly go certain ways (eg Frost and/or Demetri dying on March 15th). He was able to manipulate things into going specific ways based on his knowledge, but I guess we're supposed to take away the fact that there are still uncertainties and variables that can't be controlled, and that these were possibly brought about because of the blackout. (Presumably Frost wasn't forewarned about Alda, because he had a ring which allowed him not to be part of that flashfoward.)

You also have to take into consideration that, unless Frost had some different technology than what caused the blackout, there is only so much of the future he can experience. Everyone else blacked out for 137 seconds and experienced 137 seconds of the future. This would mean anyone who is in control of this technology would be extremely limited in how much of the future they could experience, especially when you consider that they're not just seeing into one timeline. Given that, making it seem like Frost was omniscient is a little ridiculous, but this episode at least resolved that impression.

Of course, I think that may be one of the things that hurts this show a little. It makes sense that, like the characters, we're learning more about what the flashfowards actually mean as the show goes on, but given how integral they are to the show, it almost feels like they're constantly changing the premise. I'm hoping we've now gotten to the point where we have a good grasp of what the flashfowards are and can proceed from this point.

I think a much bigger determent to this show, however, is the lack of an actual, concrete villain. Dyson Frost filled that role off and on, but in not much of a meaningful way until the past few weeks. Earlier in the season, he was just a person of interest due to his name being on Mark's board. As soon as he became an intriguing villain (or maybe an anti-villain), they killed him off. The same thing happened with Flosso. If there is supposed to be some sort of global conspiracy, I think they need to get to the point where they reveal some of the players. All we have now is the occasional flunky (like Alda and Marcy). It'd be nice to have an actual villain to root against as it would ramp up the impending danger rather than be left in this cluelessness the show is currently moving through.
 
Solid episode, though I think you guys are putting too much thought into a show that's a tad above b-movie level of depth!

I do agree about the lack of a real villain.

Another issue is that "the end" was in like 2016. With the ratings tanking the show is probably not going to get it's planned 5 or 6 years!
 
[quote name='HuBu']and he goes...oh shit i impregnate that girl.[/QUOTE]

:lol: That's true...that's not going to fly with his super hot fiancee.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']What an excellent episode last night! Janice
is a double agent!!!! :whee:
[/QUOTE]

I agree, I thought there would be more to the
"hospital" testing.
But good episode.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']What an excellent episode last night! Janice
is a double agent!!!! :whee:
[/QUOTE]

And the next episode, we'll find out she's
a TRIPLE AGENT
.

Also, for awhile I was wondering why Gabriel the savant looks so familiar, then I realize he was Gaius Baltar. Cool to see other BSG actors in other shows now.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']What an excellent episode last night! Janice
is a double agent!!!! :whee:
[/QUOTE]

I am pretty sure you didn't catch the end of the episode where they found mole #1. At the end, in the parking garage, where she gets called out on it. Too bad Frost was murdered in last week's episode. I've yet to watch this week's episode, so I wouldn't be surprised to see Frost resurface at some point.
 
[quote name='craven_fiend']I am pretty sure you didn't catch the end of the episode where they found mole #1. At the end, in the parking garage, where she gets called out on it. Too bad Frost was murdered in last week's episode. I've yet to watch this week's episode, so I wouldn't be surprised to see Frost resurface at some point.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I caught it...that's when we found out she was "bad".
 
I usually do not watch tv (lack of time), but I just read that Stephanie Weir is on this show. Is this true? If so, I may need to make time....
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']Yeah I caught it...that's when we found out she was "bad".[/QUOTE]

Well bad would equal double Agent. But now I must find time to watch Thursday's episode to see what happens.
 
[quote name='craven_fiend']I am pretty sure you didn't catch the end of the episode where they found mole #1. At the end, in the parking garage, where she gets called out on it. Too bad Frost was murdered in last week's episode. I've yet to watch this week's episode, so I wouldn't be surprised to see Frost resurface at some point.[/QUOTE]
Turns out the CIA guy knew that the "bad guys" would ask her to become a double agent, and he told her to go along with it.
 
[quote name='flameofdoom666']I usually do not watch tv (lack of time), but I just read that Stephanie Weir is on this show. Is this true? If so, I may need to make time....[/QUOTE]

She was in one episode. Maybe two.
 
im glad janice is a double agent, shes too hot to be a bad guy.

the savant thing is a little weird, so theres a bunch of people running around with alternate futures in their brains. nice seeing james callis in another role though.
 
I just want to make sure I didn't miss anything, Did Simon
trade the ring for his sister's life or did he just take it? Or did they not say one way or the other?
 
Hoping this picks up again. Caught up on the last couple of episodes, and they didn't really do much compared to the rest of the spring season.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Hoping this picks up again. Caught up on the last couple of episodes, and they didn't really do much compared to the rest of the spring season.[/QUOTE]

I have to agree with you, the show almost feels like it's at a stand still until the next black out happens. I know that's what it's building up to for the season finale, but I feel like they used up their story progress'ers' too early on.
 
[quote name='ImLuhkee']I have to agree with you, the show almost feels like it's at a stand still until the next black out happens. I know that's what it's building up to for the season finale, but I feel like they used up their story progress'ers' too early on.[/QUOTE]

Unless the next blackout is tonight, it appears unlikely that the show gets renewed. I hope it does, but I won't hold my breath.
 
[quote name='pitfallharry219']ABC has officially canceled the show. I hope they wrap it up well in one season.[/QUOTE]

Where did you hear that? All I can find is speculations.
 
Aw man...that stinks. Well like all of you still watching, just hope they give it a good ending.

Damn you ABC, first Eli Stone, now this. :bomb:
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Better episode this week.

And yep, it's cancelled. Just google, plenty of links confirming it's canceled and V is renewed.[/QUOTE]

:roll: WTF
 
Last night when I looked all I saw was speculation on the low numbers making it an at risk show, now when I googled it, everywhere says it is canceled. So much for having another flash forward!
 
The show had 3 different showrunners throughout the season and a major hiatus in the middle of the season. Sadly, it never really stood a chance.

[quote name='pitfallharry219']ABC has officially canceled the show. I hope they wrap it up well in one season.[/QUOTE]

If the producers saw the writing on the wall, possibly. I'm not counting on it though.

So FF gets canceled yet V gets renewed. There's no accounting for taste.
 
[quote name='neocisco']So FF gets canceled yet V gets renewed. There's no accounting for taste.[/QUOTE]

I'm not a huge fan of V or anything, but let's not pretend like FlashForward deserves a second season. Because it most certainly doesn't.
 
Ratings wise it doesn't.

But it really picked up in the spring season and I was hoping it would get a second season.

But like I said earlier in the thread, I figured it would end up like Invasion--another show that started off SUPER slow and lost viewers, then got really good in the latter half of the season. But by then it was too late and it got canned and we were left with a cliffhanger. :bomb:

Oh well, as I said in the other thread, I'm trying to reduce my TV watching anyway. Less free time and I'd rather spend it on movies and games and sports than TV shows. So in that sense I'm not to annoyed by the cancellation of this or Heroes.
 
[quote name='Kirin Lemon']I'm not a huge fan of V or anything, but let's not pretend like FlashForward deserves a second season. Because it most certainly doesn't.[/QUOTE]

If we're talking ratings, no argument. If story is the basis, FF looks like The Wire compared to V.
 
[quote name='neocisco']If we're talking ratings, no argument. If story is the basis, FF looks like The Wire compared to V.[/QUOTE]

You leave The Wire out of this!
 
I blame Dmitri for this show being canceled, it's all because he got the lesbian pregnant!

On a more serious note; I am actually kind of bothered at how the last episode Mark was willing to bend over and take it, "Is Olivia happy?" bullshit. He was so determined to stay with his wife and "fix" things but not anymore.

One thing I will always remember from the show, "I hate Pickles! I hate Lettuce! I love tomatoes!" :lol:
 
Man it SUCKS that this got canceled.

That was a VERY good season finale, but naturally didn't wrap anything up. Would be very stoked for a second season!

Shame, being an internally produced ABC show there's probably no chance of it getting picked up by Scifi or another cable channel etc. :(
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Man it SUCKS that this got canceled.

That was a VERY good season finale, but naturally didn't wrap anything up. Would be very stoked for a second season!

Shame, being an internally produced ABC show there's probably no chance of it getting picked up by Scifi or another cable channel etc. :([/QUOTE]

Yeah that was pretty solid episode...

I can't understand why drop this, and keep V... I've found V to be trash compared to this.
 
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