Game Informer: Multiple Sources confirm new HD console at E3 for Nintendo

[quote name='Ansé Solis']The only thing that will get me excited for Project Cafe is if third party support for Nintendo's next console significantly increases and the company is able to get the same multi-platform exclusives that the 360 and PS3 get. Not ports.[/quote]

Uh, whut? Multi-platform exclusives is a contradiction in terms. It isn't exclusive if it is multi-platform.

I think the Wii would have eclipsed the sales of the PS3 and 360 if it were released as an HD system. It would have still had the motion controller gimmick, but gamers would have also gotten all the same multiplatform titles as well.
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Eclipsed? I doubt it. Sold more? Possibly, but Nintendo would have been hurt financially by it. Remember, Sony and Microsoft are trading losses on their consoles for marketshare. Nintendo probably can't afford to play that game. So, they chose their own path.

I think Nintendo was thinking too much about the short term when the console was released and wanted to hedge their bets since the Gamecube had practically failed as a platform and they wanted to be careful as to how things might turn out.
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If anything, they were thinking long-term with this, and so far it has worked out well for them. Despite what you think, the Wii has been a successful console for Nintendo. It might not be everything WE wanted it to be, but for what Nintendo set out to do, it was wildly successful.

Had they gone high-end in the start, they would still be going strong today.
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Nintendo IS strong today.

If they had gone the way you suggest, they'd probably be Sega and out of the console business. As much as some wish for that, I think it would be a bad thing overall.
 
[quote name='TheLongshot']
Nintendo IS strong today.

If they had gone the way you suggest, they'd probably be Sega and out of the console business. As much as some wish for that, I think it would be a bad thing overall.[/QUOTE]

Wasn't Sega the Sega of the console business?
 
IMO , Sega and Nintendo were (in the case of Sega) both forward thinking companies , the difference between them being that Nintendo generally is only forward thinking to the extent of "can we do this and keep it profitable" where as Sega seemed to feel that bigger risks (at a higher cost to themselves) would eventually pay off into bigger rewards in the future , which of course turned out very poorly for them.

Edit:Heh , just saw what happened. Based on Shrike's comments I was expecting that , just didn't know when.
 
[quote name='StarKnightX']IMO , Sega and Nintendo were (in the case of Sega) both forward thinking companies , the difference between them being that Nintendo generally is only forward thinking to the extent of "can we do this and keep it profitable" where as Sega seemed to feel that bigger risks (at a higher cost to themselves) would eventually pay off into bigger rewards in the future , which of course turned out very poorly for them.

Edit:Heh , just saw what happened. Based on Shrike's comments I was expecting that , just didn't know when.[/QUOTE]

You are about right. And the difference is that Sega never had the deep pockets to ride out the expense like Microsoft did.
 
[quote name='cochesecochese']Damn, I love the leadup to E3. So much.[/QUOTE]

Certainly brings out the vitriol and mass venting of spleens.
 
[quote name='dothog']Another difference between Sega and Nintendo is that SONIC SUCKS HAIRYBALLSWEAT.[/QUOTE]

I have to agree here. The Sonic games on Genesis were just OK - they don't hold up well at all either.
 
[quote name='dothog']Nintendo was in a different place with the Wii launch, they withheld TP to give the Wii a boost. I don't think their next console needs that boost.
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I disagree. I don't think success is guaranteed this time out. Grandma isn't going to buy a Wii2 and they have lost a lot of ground in terms of 'core' gamers. This is where Nintendo comes groveling back to the hardcore crowd they built their company on. They're going to have to have some heavy hitters to sway them back into their corner. I can see Skyward getting bumped, assuming Wii2 holds onto motion in some form.
 
[quote name='Javery']I have to agree here. The Sonic games on Genesis were just OK - they don't hold up well at all either.[/QUOTE]

There's not much to them. I loved the original...maybe just because it was fast, looked phenomenal (still holds up fine), and was kind of cool...but there's just not enough to them.

Really looking forward to playing Colors, since it seems like maybe it finally adds what the series needs, and it's gotten great reviews.

I like deliberate gameplay typically, and lots of power ups. Heck, I don't like Super Mario 64 all that much partially because the original version is basically devoid of powerups. Not huge on Rayman 2 for the same reason.

I sooooo want a sequel to Tomba! 2. IMO that might be the best platformer ever made :(
 
[quote name='Wolfpup']I sooooo want a sequel to Tomba! 2. IMO that might be the best platformer ever made :([/QUOTE]

Not to take things OT, but I just had to second this. A third Tomba would be perfect for the 3DS imho, as it's 2.5D graphics and perspective shifting would actually mesh well with the 3D capabilities. Why aren't there any more games like these!?
 
[quote name='Zmonkay']Not to take things OT, but I just had to second this. A third Tomba would be perfect for the 3DS imho, as it's 2.5D graphics and perspective shifting would actually mesh well with the 3D capabilities. Why aren't there any more games like these!?[/QUOTE]

Or they could make it a real game and do a massive console release with an epic 50-hour storyline... *drools*

50 hours of Tomba... I need a new pair of pants now. Damn you dreams.
 
I'll buy it on any system they want, though obviously I prefer a real release and not some download thing.

Dang, yeah, I soooooooooo love the days of deep platformers :(

Ooooh, do you guys love the Genesis Wonder Boy in Monster World? I think that's what it was called. It's sort of like a...umm...almost Zelda esque thing, 2D side scrolling. Really awesome too, as I recall (from foggy 20 year old memories).
 
I would love to see a sequel to Tomba , but that might be unrealistic so I'd settle for PSN ports (or remakes , whatever).

As for Wonder Boy , you can get enough Wonder Boy to last a lifetime on the VC. They (now) have all the Sega original versions plus all the alternative non-Wonder Boy versions.
 
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[quote name='StarKnightX']I would love to see a sequel to Tomba , but that might be unrealistic so I'd settle for PSN ports (or remakes , whatever).

As for Wonder Boy , you can get enough Wonder Boy to last a lifetime on the VC. They (now) have all the Sega original versions plus all the alternative non-Wonder Boy versions.[/QUOTE]

Well, IMO there are only two good ones...one good, one great (that Wonder Boy 3/whatever-it-was-called-on-the-Turbographix) and of course the Genesis one.

Both of those aren't even in the same genre as some of the earlier arcade games and whatnot. Actually that's kind of cool that they differ so much between games, but it's basically just that one (or two) games that I care about.
 
So...apparently Retro's working on a game everyone wants. I wonder what it could be?

My money's on a new DKCR, but it could easily be Zelda or Metroid.
 
One of the many things I'm wondering about is how they will handle virtual console games.

I bet we will be able to transfer our games via usb or redownload. Kinda like the 3DS to dsi which no one knows the full process yet. Well not until may.

Also with virtual console games if they somehow upres them to 1080/720p will they charge extra??? I hope not. Maybe 50 cents. But I'm not going to pay another 5 bucks for Super Mario Bros NES. It looks fine and amazing in 480p. I do wish they smooth the pixels out for snes, genesis games a tad. There's been some people who were dissponted that all-stars wii was just a rom dump and didn't like the 4:3 fullscreen aspect ratio. Although on the ps 3 and 360 they have to use the 4:3 ratio since widescreen wasn't as prevalent as it is today with games. Mortal Kombat 2 arcade is 4:3 on the ps 3 I'm assuming they knew it would look bad or didn't want to put the effort into widescreening it??? If it's fullscreen it's fine with older games as long as it looks good even with borders.

I also hope that having Rockstar making a Grand Theft Auto 5 on the system means and strongly hints that nintendo is FINALLY adding a good online network and some type of gaming tags. ;) And that the 3DS will be updated to support this infrastructure too.

I love Sonic 1,2,3 and Sonic and Knuckles. sonic cd too. sonic adventure and 2 were good but after 2 sega seemed to lose their focus and churned out crap out to sonic 4 which i thought was nice getting back on track. Generations looks simply stunning so far. It looks like they are taking the best of the 2D sonics, Colors, and the first and second Sonic Adventures which is good. I also hope generations will be out on the wii 2.
 
There were there same Rockstar rumors about the Wii a year before it came out. I wouldn't hold your breath on that one.
 
I'm not listening to the rumors at all, its great to have fun thinking about what could happen but there's no reason to commit to an idea when it can 'never happen' and you will disappoint yourself. I learned that the hard way with the Wii and Twilight Princess.

Don't get me wrong though, after looking past the disappointments in Brawl's online, and physics, Twilight's ease,linear play,relying on OoT model too much, Mario Kart Wii's snaking removal,cheating AI,item abuse,awful online(yes it was still not good enough imo). And just all the other things everyone already knows in general with 3rd parties. I still managed to collect over 20 Wii games that I deem well worth keeping in my collection. I love what the Wii brought but looking back I wish it was more than it ended up being.

I'm sure Nintendo knows what basics are needed for the 'Wii 2' its not like they don't know what a powerful console is. The idiots around the net like on n4g for example spread too much Bullsht about Nintendo always being underpowered and blablahblah (is it normal for kids to know learn ANY history about anything?)
So the only thing that Nintendo would need to be slacked in the face and told what is required of them after the basics is online on par with XboxLIVE. There is no excuse for them.

fk the rumors I'm waitin for e3 and have no expectations, surprise me Nintendo!
 
[quote name='KingBroly']So...apparently Retro's working on a game everyone wants. I wonder what it could be?

My money's on a new DKCR, but it could easily be Zelda or Metroid.[/QUOTE]

I would have gone with StarFox.

Another rumor had it being this game:

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Not me. Eternal Darkness has a great atmosphere, but that's about it. The gameplay is terrible.

Granted, gameplay is Retro's strong point, so maybe they could craft a good game out of the husk Silicon Knights created.
 
I'd be willing to let Retro have a shot at doing another (remake of?) Eternal Darkness. Not like Silicon Knights is ever going to get around to doing it , just like they are never going to get around to finishing their epic Too Human trilogy.
 
Is there a countdown to Nintendo's E3 conference up yet anywhere?

It's pretty much confirmed that I'll be buying this thing, whatever it turns out to be, but I am an unapologetic Nintendo Hype Whore. So, you know, would be glad to know when we're going to find out.
 
[quote name='cochesecochese']Is there a countdown to Nintendo's E3 conference up yet anywhere?

It's pretty much confirmed that I'll be buying this thing, whatever it turns out to be, but I am an unapologetic Nintendo Hype Whore. So, you know, would be glad to know when we're going to find out.[/QUOTE]
We don't even know exactly when it is yet.
 
It's June 7th at Noon EST I believe. The day when E3 starts. Sony and Microsoft are the day before that. Sony's is at 9pm EST or something like that.

For some reason I'm expecting a bombshell of a release timeframe. Nintendo's always released their home console during the fall. So I wouldn't be shocked if they said fall 2011, $249 or $299.
 
[quote name='StarKnightX']I'd be willing to let Retro have a shot at doing another (remake of?) Eternal Darkness. Not like Silicon Knights is ever going to get around to doing it , just like they are never going to get around to finishing their epic Too Human trilogy.[/QUOTE]

Is Eternal Darkness not Silicon Knight's IP?

I enjoyed playing it back in the day and never finished all three paths. HD remake could be alright.
 
[quote name='theflicker']Is Eternal Darkness not Silicon Knight's IP?

I enjoyed playing it back in the day and never finished all three paths. HD remake could be alright.[/QUOTE]

No or not entirely. Nintendo owns at least the trademarks and by implication may own the entirety of the IP too...
 
I'm just cringing at having to buy extra controllers for this thing of the screen part is true. I think it's stupid that a DS3 or 360 controller costs 50 bucks. Then again, how much was a Wiimote + nunchuck when they first came out? I don't recall.
 
Wiimote + Nunchuck were $60 each.

It seems too early to me. All the other systems are on 10 year life cycles now.

I bet it'll be WiiHD.
 
[quote name='Zmonkay']I'm just cringing at having to buy extra controllers for this thing of the screen part is true. I think it's stupid that a DS3 or 360 controller costs 50 bucks. Then again, how much was a Wiimote + nunchuck when they first came out? I don't recall.[/QUOTE]

I think the nunchuck was $20 and the Wiimote was $40. I still don't have a second nunchuck (or a wii motion plus dongle).

If Nintendo delivers on the new console I'll definitely buy it (but NOT at launch). I'm a Nintendo fanboy at heart even though I pretty much hate the Wii (I loved the Gamecube). I really really wish Mario Galaxy, Donkey Kong Country Returns, Super Mario Bros. Wii, etc. were in 1080p. They are all gorgeous in 480p so I can only imagine how great they could have looked.
 
Wiimote: $40
WiiMotion+: $20
Nunchuck: $20
Classic Controller: $20
Total: $100

If a Major Nintendo IP is there at launch, I will buy it at launch. Depending on which franchise, I may or may not break the bones of others to get it Day 1.

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Heads Up everyone; apparently, Nintendo is going to stream their investor's meeting. Yeah...um...if true...then WHAT!?
 
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I will be buying this day one as long as it is HD. I am worried it wont be because I know how Nintendo works. While I think Sonic Colors is a great game, playing it on my 26'inch HDTV makes the game look like crap.
 
[quote name='KingBroly']EDIT:
Heads Up everyone; apparently, Nintendo is going to stream their investor's meeting. Yeah...um...if true...then WHAT!?[/QUOTE]

When is this?
 
[quote name='Sir_Fragalot']I will be buying this day one as long as it is HD. I am worried it wont be because I know how Nintendo works. While I think Sonic Colors is a great game, playing it on my 26'inch HDTV makes the game look like crap.[/QUOTE]

It kinda has to be HD. Everyone's saying it is. To what degree of power it has is the debate.
 
[quote name='KingBroly']It kinda has to be HD. Everyone's saying it is. To what degree of power it has is the debate.[/QUOTE]
As long as it's 720p I am fine. I mean I am no graphics person who will complain about graphics but since I got a HDTV the Wii's graphics are more noticeable for some games. Doesn't make the games any more worse but I would like to see games in HD.

Now with that said, it doesn't matter if this system has a ton of third party ports. I realized the reason I love my Wii is it has probably about half of my favorite games this generation (SMG and NMH), and I know this system will deliver on the same greatness.
 
I hope Nintendo will also include internal 1080p HD upscaling for current Wii titles if this new console is indeed fully backward compatible (similar to how the original PS3 affected PS2 games). I don't believe that's too much to ask, right?
 
http://gear.ign.com/articles/116/1163325p1.html
- GPU Wii 2's GPU will be a modified version of AMD's R700 architecture.
• - CPU The CPU will be a custom-designed triple-core version of the IBM PowerPC chipset.
• - Visuals Project Cafe will run in 1080p, and may be able to utilize Stereoscopic 3D, though it hasn't been confirmed as a feature.
• - Size & Design The console will be around the same size as the first-gen Xbox 360, and may be designed to look like a futuristic looking Super Nintendo.
• - Price Say goodbye to Nintendo having the "budget" console: Project Cafe may cost between 350 and 400 dollars.
• - Release Date Supposedly, the Cafe itself could be ready to ship from the manufacturer to retailers as soon as mid-to-late October, but in order to give developers more time with the new hardware, Nintendo may not launch the console until early 2012.
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How Odd... Seems unlikely that Nintendo would abandon their usual pricing strategy... Then again they did just release a $250 handheld...

Interesting.

Speculation GO!
 
E3 this year is going to be absolutely insane. I predict borked streams 20 minutes before conferences, liveblogging failing, all my favorite sites crashing and...bitter fanboy tears.
 
[quote name='foltzie']http://gear.ign.com/articles/116/1163325p1.html


How Odd... Seems unlikely that Nintendo would abandon their usual pricing strategy... Then again they did just release a $250 handheld...

Interesting.

Speculation GO![/QUOTE]
Nintendo is like the Apple of consoles. No matter what they do, they know people will buy it. Well now that I seen the specs, I am day one buying this. Actually all they had to say was HD Wii and I would day one buy it, lol.
 
[quote name='Sir_Fragalot']Nintendo is like the Apple of consoles. No matter what they do, they know people will buy it. Well now that I seen the specs, I am day one buying this. Actually all they had to say was HD Wii and I would day one buy it, lol.[/QUOTE]

I don't buy it, people line up for days to get the new iPhone, and a month later you still have to get on a waiting list to get an iPad 2, while on the other hand the 3DS launch came and went without so much as a whimper and they've been more than readily available since day one. Nintendo is not Apple, not by any stretch of anyones imagination, so people need to quit making that comparison.
 
[quote name='pjb16']I will if the games look good enough.[/QUOTE]

I will if they release good weeaboo games... Oh wait Reggie won't allow any over here.
 
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