Gamespot's review of Zelda

Ouch... an 8.8. While it's not bad, it's a far cry from the scores that other sites have been giving the game.

But one thing I'm getting sick of is seeing complaints about the graphics. We already know the Wii can't compared to the 360/PS3 yet almost every reviewer bitches about it.:roll:
 
7.9'd



" Wii-specific elements feel tacked on;"


Thats what I was worried about, now I dont feel so high about the Wii version this being the game I was getting a Wii for...


GCN version FTW? Id much rather press a button than shake a wiimote if it all feels so tacked on...
 
[quote name='Vinny']Ouch... an 8.8. While it's not bad, it's a far cry from the scores that other sites have been giving the game.

But one thing I'm getting sick of is seeing complaints about the graphics. We already know the Wii can't compared to the 360/PS3 yet almost every reviewer bitches about it.:roll:[/quote]

But he didn't compare it to the PS3/360 explicitly, he just said there are a lot of jagged textures etc. I mean, when I compare TP to RE4 or even Ninja Gaiden, I think those games were presented very well for last generation and I don't think some areas of TP are up to that standard.

I love the art style of TP, but I do think that there was more that could have been done graphically (independent of the PS3 and 360).
 
[quote name='hhhdx4']7.9'd



" Wii-specific elements feel tacked on;"


Thats what I was worried about, now I dont feel so high about the Wii version this being the game I was getting a Wii for...


GCN version FTW? Id much rather press a button than shake a wiimote if it all feels so tacked on...[/quote]

This guy declaring it to feel tacked on doesn't mean it will necessarily feel that way, though.

Could be his perceptions going into it interfering with his experience, perhaps.

Don't let a single review decide your game purchase, c'mon. Give other reviews a shot, too.
 
[quote name='furyk']Well 1up's review...

http://www.1up.com/do/reviewPage?cId=3155329

Perfect 10 (ignore the fact they mix the editor with user reviews).[/QUOTE]

Dude... 1up gives almost everything that is hyped a 10, they are the worst source for reviews.

If 1up DIDN'T give the game a 10 then I'd be pretty concerned. This is the same place that scored Bully a 10/10.
 
[quote name='Oops! I did it again.']This guy declaring it to feel tacked on doesn't mean it will necessarily feel that way, though.

Could be his perceptions going into it interfering with his experience, perhaps.

Don't let a single review decide your game purchase, c'mon. Give other reviews a shot, too.[/QUOTE]

In fact, this is the only reviewer I've seen that said they felt "tacked-on" rather than "working extremely well". I don't get it.
 
[quote name='megabadd']But he didn't compare it to the PS3/360 explicitly, he just said there are a lot of jagged textures etc. I mean, when I compare TP to RE4 or even Ninja Gaiden, I think those games were presented very well for last generation and I don't think some areas of TP are up to that standard.

I love the art style of TP, but I do think that there was more that could have been done graphically (independent of the PS3 and 360).[/QUOTE]

Yeah, but the areas in TP are huge compared to what we saw in those games. But you've got a point... they didn't compare it direct to the bigger two. I just kinda figured he was talking about as I honestly think the game looks fantastic for a GC game.
 
Wow I can tell though that this guy doesn't like Nintendo and I'm sure that influenced his score as well. He uses words like "Well at least...so and so" and stuff... Hmm anyway I'm sure I'll like it...and we all know that usually all it takes is a sword hit to kill the enemies, with the exception like the knights, which they have in this game as well so I'm sure you have to move around them or something first. I think this guy was more basing the game in expectations of something completely new to the series. That really seems to be his only complaint, that it brings nothing new to the table. Who cares, if I enjoy a series I don't care if it's changed or not anyways. That Wii controller thing though was interesting, I knew there would be someone who didn't enjoy it eventually. I'll have to see if I enjoy it...otherwise I guess it'll be the GC version for me.
 
[quote name='Vinny']Ouch... an 8.8. While it's not bad, it's a far cry from the scores that other sites have been giving the game.

But one thing I'm getting sick of is seeing complaints about the graphics. We already know the Wii can't compared to the 360/PS3 yet almost every reviewer bitches about it.:roll:[/quote]

The Wii was designed with relatively modest graphical capabilities, at least from a technical perspective. So if you spend a lot of time trying to pick apart the visuals of Twilight Princess, you'd notice plenty of low-res textures and jagged edges. But that would be missing the point. Twilight Princess is an excellent-looking game due to some terrific art design. Much has already been said about the art style reverting back to a more mature or realistic look after Wind Waker took the series in a decidedly cartoonlike direction. While there's nothing terribly "mature" about this T-rated game, it looks absolutely great from an artistic perspective. The world itself offers the sort of variety you'd naturally expect from a fantasy game, with everything from lakes to deserts to dungeons, but it's when you start seeing the twilight realm that the game really takes off, visually.

It may have its rough edges here and there, but Twilight Princess is the best-looking launch game on the Wii. Like most other Wii games, you can play this one in 480p and widescreen, if you're so equipped. Playing in progressive scan sharpens things up, which makes some objects look better, but it also makes the edges on everything more jagged-looking.
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Wow. Look at all of that bitching. All of a few sentences. They don't compare it to 360/PS3, they just comment on the quality of the graphics itself, saying it's not as sharp as they'd like. Otherwise, they praise the variety and visual beauty that the game offers.
 
Guys, its Gerstman, he has been negative about the Wii since E3. If you watch the on the spot last week when they got their system, he pouted and bitched the entire time because he wasn't good at it. In his Excite truck review he shows obvious disdain for the wiimote even existing. Why the one person who has openly been down on the system since day one has already done two of the Wii reviews is beyond me.

If you have seen pictures of Gerstamn, it is quite obvious he is still bitter that the secret controller wasnt 13 twinkies strung together ala sausage links.

DO NOT base your decision on any aspect of this game on this review. Go to Gamerankings, look around, and read other reviews. Basing your Choice solely on one place, especially Gamespot, you may as well base it off Maxim Magazines review.
 
LOL "nothing mature about the game". WTH It's Zelda what do they expect? I'm sure as heck glad it doesn't have any of that, it would spoil it.
 
[quote name='Oops! I did it again.']This guy declaring it to feel tacked on doesn't mean it will necessarily feel that way, though.

Could be his perceptions going into it interfering with his experience, perhaps.

Don't let a single review decide your game purchase, c'mon. Give other reviews a shot, too.[/QUOTE]


I usually trust Gamespots reviews (sans EA games) and that was one of my concerns going into TP, and since its the only reason Im getting a Wii (for a while atleast) and the GCN version is being released without the "gimmicky", according to the reviewer, controls, makes me think...
 
I found his review to be alot better than the 10 / 10 "OMG ZELDA SO AWESOME" reviews... namely 1up's worthless review.

It's always good to see reviews with different opinions, which is exactly what this one is... it's so weird to see people trying to shrug off this review just because it wasn't a 9 or higher.

I mean, nobody knows yet if he's right about the speaker sounding tinny and disconnecting, since none of us have played it yet, so we can't really say "Oh noes, nobody else says this, Gamespot is teh stupid!". I

Everyone is buying this game on Sunday, who really cares what this guy says, and who knows, some of his complaints might actually be right... just because he's not parroting every other review dosen't mean he's wrong, but we don't know if he's wrong or right so we just have to take his word for it.
 
In fairness, Bully had one 10 in EGM, the other scores were much more moderate (both higher then what I thought it deserved).
 
Keep in mind, the 8.8 is an average of all the categories put together, and what really drags this score down is the graphics and sound. I think the lower-than-expected graphic/sound ratings are based on the fact that we know the Wii can do better. We know the Wii could play an orchestrally recorded soundtrack, and we know the Wii is capable of better textures and geometry than is exhibited here.

What's really important in a Gamespot review is the "Reviewer's Tilt" score, and the fact that it's a "10" should say something.
 
[quote name='Roufuss']I found his review to be alot better than the 10 / 10 "OMG ZELDA SO AWESOME" reviews... namely 1up's worthless review.

It's always good to see reviews with different opinions, which is exactly what this one is... it's so weird to see people trying to shrug off this review just because it wasn't a 9 or higher.

I mean, nobody knows yet if he's right about the speaker sounding tinny and disconnecting, since none of us have played it yet, so we can't really say "Oh noes, nobody else says this, Gamespot is teh stupid!". I

Everyone is buying this game on Sunday, who really cares what this guy says, and who knows, some of his complaints might actually be right... just because he's not parroting every other review dosen't mean he's wrong, but we don't know if he's wrong or right so we just have to take his word for it.[/QUOTE]
Quoted for truth.
 
[quote name='Roufuss']I found his review to be alot better than the 10 / 10 "OMG ZELDA SO AWESOME" reviews... namely 1up's worthless review.

It's always good to see reviews with different opinions, which is exactly what this one is... it's so weird to see people trying to shrug off this review just because it wasn't a 9 or higher.

I mean, nobody knows yet if he's right about the speaker sounding tinny and disconnecting, since none of us have played it yet, so we can't really say "Oh noes, nobody else says this, Gamespot is teh stupid!". I

Everyone is buying this game on Sunday, who really cares what this guy says, and who knows, some of his complaints might actually be right... just because he's not parroting every other review dosen't mean he's wrong, but we don't know if he's wrong or right so we just have to take his word for it.[/QUOTE]

I'm not shrugging off this review because it scored lower then a 9. I expected this after I found out Jeff was reviewing the game. And to be honest I disagreed with both his Zelda:MM and Windwaker reviews. So it wouldn't surprise me if I disagreed with this one was well.
 
Jeff is pretty cool, but I think you might be right.

He is a huge Xbox 360 fan (not that there's anything wrong with that.) He might just be one of those people who are more comfortable using a standard game controller. Some people are just not going to like Nintendo's new fangled device, it's bound to happen.

With that said, I'm getting the game. And I'm going to fucking like it!

NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
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[quote name='boyward']Keep in mind, the 8.8 is an average of all the categories put together, and what really drags this score down is the graphics and sound. I think the lower-than-expected graphic/sound ratings are based on the fact that we know the Wii can do better. We know the Wii could play an orchestrally recorded soundtrack, and we know the Wii is capable of better textures and geometry than is exhibited here.

What's really important in a Gamespot review is the "Reviewer's Tilt" score, and the fact that it's a "10" should say something.[/quote]
8+9+7+9+10/5= 8.6

It's not an average.
 
[quote name='Roufuss']I found his review to be alot better than the 10 / 10 "OMG ZELDA SO AWESOME" reviews... namely 1up's worthless review.

It's always good to see reviews with different opinions, which is exactly what this one is... it's so weird to see people trying to shrug off this review just because it wasn't a 9 or higher.

I mean, nobody knows yet if he's right about the speaker sounding tinny and disconnecting, since none of us have played it yet, so we can't really say "Oh noes, nobody else says this, Gamespot is teh stupid!". I

Everyone is buying this game on Sunday, who really cares what this guy says, and who knows, some of his complaints might actually be right... just because he's not parroting every other review dosen't mean he's wrong, but we don't know if he's wrong or right so we just have to take his word for it.[/QUOTE]

Again, it isn't that his lower score automatically makes me not want to read it...it's the fact that he's literally the ONLY person I've seen saying this stuff (even after accounting for the "OMG it's Zelda!" factor). It just...weirds me out.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']8+9+7+9+10/5= 8.6

It's not an average.[/QUOTE]

What?? *does the math* You're absolutely right. I thought Gamespot's final scores were an average of the 5 categories, but after doing the math for this and Excite Truck I can see that's not the case. Thanks for correcting me. :)
 
[quote name='yukine']Jeff is pretty cool, but I think you might be right.

He is a huge Xbox 360 fan (not that there's anything wrong with that.) He might just be one of those people who are more comfortable using a standard game controller. Some people are just not going to like Nintendo's new fangled device, it's bound to happen.

With that said, I'm getting the game. And I'm going to fucking like it!

[/QUOTE]

To be fair, most of his complaints didn't even have to do with the controller, and the ones that did were legitimate things like "When I tried to do a shield bash, I kept geting a spin attack". Now, maybe he just sucks at motions, or maybe the motion detecting isn't 100% perfect?

He also mentioned how there was no finesse to the Wiimote movements for the sword, again, a valid concern.

That's really all he ever said about the controls... people are acting like the guy is like "Man these controls suck ass, I hated them!!!". He mentions twice I think how they are "imprecise", which is a pretty legtimate concern in a game that relies on movement. I never once got the impression from his review that he hated the Wiimote.

I mean, if this game got a 10 / 10, we wouldn't be criticizing the reviewer himself even though he wrote a pretty decent review, but since it's lower than a 9 people are trying to justify it any way they can.

"Oh, Jeff wrote it, he hates the Wii so yea, that's why it's not a 9, yea it can't be because he had legtimiate complaints that he clearly addressed, no he's just so anti Wii, screw him!" I read the review twice and came away with a deeper understanding of the pro's and con's for this one guy, where most reviews are all just listing the pro's and nothing else, or barely glossing over the con's.

Hell, one of the reviewer's major complaints seems to be how Zelda really hasn't evolved over time, and I really can't argue with that, as every game follows a pretty set formula. In the end, I think he still really liked the game, he's just not praising it as the second coming of gaming like everyone else is.

I'm really curious to see if these same reviewers will give the GC version lower scores and compare it to the Wii, instead of basing it on it's own merits.
 
[quote name='boyward']Keep in mind, the 8.8 is an average of all the categories put together, and what really drags this score down is the graphics and sound. I think the lower-than-expected graphic/sound ratings are based on the fact that we know the Wii can do better. We know the Wii could play an orchestrally recorded soundtrack, and we know the Wii is capable of better textures and geometry than is exhibited here.

What's really important in a Gamespot review is the "Reviewer's Tilt" score, and the fact that it's a "10" should say something.[/quote]actually the gameplay and sound were low, graphics actually got a 9, but yea i can see what you're trying to say
 
All of his complaints seemed valid to me. Imprecise movements with the Wiimote? That could be a problem especially when precision is needed with a game like this. Tinny sound from the Wiimote? Another valid complaint. He praised the gameplay and brought up all the little nagging issues instead of just writing "OMG Zelda Rox 10/10!!!" Kudos to him for having the balls to point out the problematic parts and brave the wrath of the fanboys. A 8.8 is a perfectly respectable score, seeing as the game seems far from perfect judging by his review.

The game is going to be awesome. No doubt about that, just read the review in its entirety and it seems like a true sequel to Ocarina of Time, which is what we all wanted anyway, right?
 
Honestly, does anyone actually care what someone else thinks?

It's Zelda, it's like food, one of those necessities and requirements of life.
 
[quote name='Spades22']LOL "nothing mature about the game". WTH It's Zelda what do they expect? I'm sure as heck glad it doesn't have any of that, it would spoil it.[/QUOTE]
At a point and time (about 2 years ago), it was believed that this Zelda game would show a darker side than what is normally shown in Zelda games.

That's probably why he brings it up.
 
My real issue with the review is this:

The Bad: graphics and sound sometimes go from nostalgic to dated.

I'm sure that almost everyone knows the Wii is under powered compared to the 360 and the PS3. The problem is the graphics are being judged on that xbox360 \ PS3 scale. I appreciate that he mentioned liking the artistic style but it seems to still hold enough weight in his mind being that "THE BAD" signifies the overall review of the game. I think a 9 would have been more appropriate for his issues with the controls.

I'm getting it on launch so it doesn't really matter anyway.
 
Dude, everyone knows the Wii mote dont work perfect everytime, of course that happends with new technology, but things like "wii speaker sound" and things like that, dont really make a game 8.8, i proboly gonna use 1 second on it and then play the game, hes just saying this cause its Zelda, and he knows it gonna stirr shit up. When everyone has given i over 9.5 and he gives that low you know he turned gay the moment he touched Xbox 360.

It will be fun to see what IGN gives it though.
 
Very good review.

I don't follow reviewer's tendencies, but it didn't seem to be anti-Zelda/Wii/Nintendo, and there were many valid points that I can find myself agreeing with.
 
[quote name='Ikohn4ever']not like its goin to stop 99.9% of us from getting the game[/quote]I don't even know why they bothered reviewing it yet when there are a dozen other games that people are actually on the fence about.
 
[quote name='Roufuss']To be fair, most of his complaints didn't even have to do with the controller, and the ones that did were legitimate things like "When I tried to do a shield bash, I kept geting a spin attack". Now, maybe he just sucks at motions, or maybe the motion detecting isn't 100% perfect?

He also mentioned how there was no finesse to the Wiimote movements for the sword, again, a valid concern.

That's really all he ever said about the controls... people are acting like the guy is like "Man these controls suck ass, I hated them!!!". He mentions twice I think how they are "imprecise", which is a pretty legtimate concern in a game that relies on movement. I never once got the impression from his review that he hated the Wiimote.

I mean, if this game got a 10 / 10, we wouldn't be criticizing the reviewer himself even though he wrote a pretty decent review, but since it's lower than a 9 people are trying to justify it any way they can.

"Oh, Jeff wrote it, he hates the Wii so yea, that's why it's not a 9, yea it can't be because he had legtimiate complaints that he clearly addressed, no he's just so anti Wii, screw him!" I read the review twice and came away with a deeper understanding of the pro's and con's for this one guy, where most reviews are all just listing the pro's and nothing else, or barely glossing over the con's.

Hell, one of the reviewer's major complaints seems to be how Zelda really hasn't evolved over time, and I really can't argue with that, as every game follows a pretty set formula. In the end, I think he still really liked the game, he's just not praising it as the second coming of gaming like everyone else is.

I'm really curious to see if these same reviewers will give the GC version lower scores and compare it to the Wii, instead of basing it on it's own merits.[/quote]
The score is lower than I expected, but I'm not shitting bricks over it. It's still high, and I think it's a fair score.

He might be right about the graphics, the sound, and even the controls. I haven't played the game at all, so I really can't say what points he made are valid or not until November 19th.

But my point is, I think Jeff is more comfortable playing games in a traditional way. I recall him complaining about the lack of touchscreen control in previous DS reviews, and then later marking games down for "relying on the stylus too much." I just get this general sense of disdain of the Wii's controls from Jeff.

Anyway, like I said. None of us can really agree, or disagree with the points he makes in his review. At least, not until we get that sexy game in our own hands.
 
[quote name='botticus']I don't even know why they bothered reviewing it yet when there are a dozen other games that people are actually on the fence about.[/QUOTE]


yeah, I def need more red steel reviews
 
[quote name='boyward']What?? *does the math* You're absolutely right. I thought Gamespot's final scores were an average of the 5 categories, but after doing the math for this and Excite Truck I can see that's not the case. Thanks for correcting me. :)[/quote]
I don't know of any major reviewer that actually averages their ratings of graphics, sounds, etc. since it would seem like they're saying that games are only the sum of their parts and can never be more than that.
 
[quote name='botticus']I don't even know why they bothered reviewing it yet when there are a dozen other games that people are actually on the fence about.[/quote]
Probably because it was one of the first Wii games that they got and Nintendo's PR people would be mad if they skipped it to do other games first.
 
finally a non-fanboy review. I doubt i'd like it either way since the last 3 3d zeldas didnt impress me at all.

and from all the preview impressions of red steel and playing the early demo, I wouldnt expect anything higer than an 8. more realistically a 6-7
 
Er, also. I would like to mention that, Jeff isn't the only one who gave Zelda an 8.8. Basically, most of the editors agreed on this score as well.

And in my opinion, an 8.8 from GameSpot is > a 10 from IGN/1UP.
 
For those of you who said uh-oh about Gamespot's review, have you actually seen the On-Spot video of them when they got their Wii?

Most of them are fat asses who don't even appear to know how to play games, let alone piss standing up. Quite frankly, Gamespot has gone down the toilet (or urinal) the past few years and I wouldn't trust this guys opinion. Besides, he usually reviews Xbox and PS games.

There is only 1 way people are going to find out if this is the greatest game or not; and that is to play it. I for one am looking forward to 25.5 hours from now when I finally get my Wii (and what might possibly be the greatest epic of all time).
 
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