Gamespot's review of Zelda

Funny how they can give Ocarina of Time, which sucked in my opinion compared to Wind Waker and stuff, a 10 and give TP, which will probably own both, an 8.8 which is LOWER than wind waker. So they think this will be worse than wind waker AND Ocarina? I just don't see how they could work on a game so long and have it worse than both those games, and how other games like Metroid Prime could be better than it... we'll see though, it must be a pretty average game then.
 
[quote name='Vinny']Ouch... an 8.8. While it's not bad, it's a far cry from the scores that other sites have been giving the game.

But one thing I'm getting sick of is seeing complaints about the graphics. We already know the Wii can't compared to the 360/PS3 yet almost every reviewer bitches about it.:roll:[/quote]


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[quote name='Spades22']Funny how they can give Ocarina of Time, which sucked in my opinion compared to Wind Waker and stuff, a 10 and give TP, which will probably own both, an 8.8 which is LOWER than wind waker. So they think this will be worse than wind waker AND Ocarina? I just don't see how they could work on a game so long and have it worse than both those games, and how other games like Metroid Prime could be better than it... we'll see though, it must be a pretty average game then.[/quote]

You ever write an essay, and feel half way through, that is lacking, but can't rewrite it?
 
NVM wth are you saying there, you referring to me or creating an analogy from the reviewers perspective?
 
[quote name='lordwow']I'll wait for IGN.

Ya that's right. IGN...[/quote]

They already put out a review. Matt gave it a 9.5 and said it was the best Zelda ever.
 
Matt Casamassina gave it a 9.5 and said that it's better than OOT. I trust his opinions more than almost any reviewer.

Oh, and as others have said, it was pretty obvious from the OTS video that they're all a bunch of fucktards who have no idea what they're doing.
 
[quote name='Spades22']NVM wth are you saying there, you referring to me or creating an analogy from the reviewers perspective?[/quote]

Creating an analogy to the games development.
 
[quote name='ckendal']They already put out a review. Matt gave it a 9.5 and said it was the best Zelda ever.[/QUOTE]

Thanks, I guess that's what I get for leaving my computer for a few hours today haha.
 
[quote name='Vinny']Ouch... an 8.8. While it's not bad, it's a far cry from the scores that other sites have been giving the game.

But one thing I'm getting sick of is seeing complaints about the graphics. We already know the Wii can't compared to the 360/PS3 yet almost every reviewer bitches about it.:roll:[/QUOTE]

Too be fair in the latest Nintendo power they call LOZ:TP 2 generations of graphical power above wind waker.
 
[quote name='redgopher']I AM SO fuckING SICK of people who think ANYTHING less than a 9.0 is a bad review.[/quote]
I agree. People seem way too overly critical about the scores games get.
 
[quote name='redgopher']I AM SO fuckING SICK of people who think ANYTHING less than a 9.0 is a bad review.[/QUOTE]qft.

This is unbelievably childish. Particularly commenting on reviewer's personal appearance to play down a review. Please.
 
While I expected higher, if an 8.8. is the lowest review out there (and mostly only that low due to lack of next-gen graphical prowess, midisound, and lack of innovation i.e. things we all knew about already) that still fairs very very well for the game. I'm crossing my fingers I can obtain this and a Wii at launch. Wish me luck.
 
[quote name='Sn0brawler']qft.

This is unbelievably childish. Particularly commenting on reviewer's personal appearance to play down a review. Please.[/quote]

I agree on that point. Attacking Jeff Gerstmann's personal appearance is particularly low, and just bad form.
 
I don't think anyone thinks that under 9.0 is a bad review, but that's in general. For Zelda:TP, a game thats been worked on for ages, and also a franchise thats known to make the best quality games, you'd expect at least a 9+. Anyway I trust Matt a lot more too...simply from the videos I see at IGN on him reviewing games or talking about diff. gaming hardware...seems fairly honest/unbiased...

And also, who's to say those who disagree with his review are fanboys or too caught up in the hype and stuff? We should be since every other review has been in the high 9's or 10's... Its like having 8 random witnesses and 7 say one thing is true and the other lone 1 person says something else...I'd obviously be more prone to agreeing with the 7 witnesses xD
 
So, ONE person thought it was "only" worth an 8.8 out of 10. Still, it's Zelda and that score won't slow its sales down. And it's not bad considering the game still IS a GameCube game, with Wii controls.

I do hope Nintendo makes a true Wii Zelda in the future though.
 
[quote name='Chacrana']fucking Kidtendo noobs your best game din't even get a good score cause it's gay!!!!![/QUOTE]


Yeah and we are the ones criticized for making a stink about things...bleh.

Just watch the flames overtaking every stinkin' nook and cranny of the old net on the day when a HALO game gets an 8.8 in a short review by a typical nintendo reviewer. And for crappy reasons? Sheesh. The whole freaking interweb would slow down it'd be so congested with ms fanboys foaming at the mouth...

And that is WHY there is a huge stink about it....the reasons. The game can't help the cheap speaker on the Wii....so what if they decided to spend more money on something else than hiring a friggin' orchestra for the soundtrack?? And so what if they decided to stick with text instead of voice acting?? Ever heard of style? Or "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"?

It's like if he reviewed Gears of War(he gives it a 9.6) a bad score for not including RPG elements. They CHOSE not to do that with the game. Review the game on what it is, not what they could have done with it. And especially not for hardware which the game has no control over.

It's just a pathetic review all-around. If someone like Greg K. gave it a 8.8 and gave legit reasons, I'd be good.
 
[quote name='Sn0brawler']qft.

This is unbelievably childish. Particularly commenting on reviewer's personal appearance to play down a review. Please.[/QUOTE]

I remember when people just cared about what the review said and the score, but now it's also who is reviewing the game, what systems does he like, how has he acted before, what does he look like, what's his preferences.

People find any reason to dismiss any review they don't find appealing... they can't take the review for what it is, they say "Oh, it's Jeff, I remember 6 months ago in some video he commented he dosen't like the Wii's controls, what a loser I can't trust this review!!!"

It's really ridiculous the lengths people go to for these reviews and scores. For me, I read them, look at the pro's and con's, and that's it... I don't carefully pick apart the staff to find flaws that don't really exist within the confines of the review.

When I read that review, I thought the dude was a fan of the Wii but just didn't like some of the things he found wrong like the wrong move coming out, it's not until I read this thread that apparently Jeff is some guy who's overweight and hated on the Wii 3 years ago so his credibility is out the window. Who cares if he wrote a good review, right? He dosen't agree with the other reviewers so he's automatically wrong and I'll use whatever I can to prove it, even if it's not relevant!

Just seems kind of odd we've gone to carefully dissecting every facet of a review for any imaginary flaws instead of just reading the review, learning what we can, and making an informed purchase.
 
I always preferred zelda's text rather than voice acting. For some reason the reading drew me into the plot alot more than listening to crappy voice actors. I guess the same way books are usually better than movies, they draw better pictures. Ahh i can't explain it.
 
The MIDI music is a big letdown. Do we really need N64 quality music, 2 systems later?

I thought I read somewhere that Zelda's music was going to be orchestrated, oh well. The music in the Zelda trailer was, at least.

An epic adventure game can't get it, but Smash Bros gets the full orchestra treatment. Makes no sense.

Edit: Apossom, that 'PS3 Launch' siggy is the best thing ever. :)
 
[quote name='Roufuss']I remember when people just cared about what the review said and the score, but now it's also who is reviewing the game, what systems does he like, how has he acted before, what does he look like, what's his preferences.

People find any reason to dismiss any review they don't find appealing... they can't take the review for what it is, they say "Oh, it's Jeff, I remember 6 months ago in some video he commented he dosen't like the Wii's controls, what a loser I can't trust this review!!!"

It's really ridiculous the lengths people go to for these reviews and scores. For me, I read them, look at the pro's and con's, and that's it... I don't carefully pick apart the staff to find flaws that don't really exist within the confines of the review.

When I read that review, I thought the dude was a fan of the Wii but just didn't like some of the things he found wrong like the wrong move coming out, it's not until I read this thread that apparently Jeff is some guy who's overweight and hated on the Wii 3 years ago so his credibility is out the window. Who cares if he wrote a good review, right? He dosen't agree with the other reviewers so he's automatically wrong and I'll use whatever I can to prove it, even if it's not relevant!

Just seems kind of odd we've gone to carefully dissecting every facet of a review for any imaginary flaws instead of just reading the review, learning what we can, and making an informed purchase.[/quote]

Ladies and gentlemen, this is the reason Roufuss' custom user title is "The Voice of Reason." Very well done.
 
[quote name='Dezuria']The MIDI music is a big letdown. Do we really need N64 quality music, 2 systems later?

I thought I read somewhere that Zelda's music was going to be orchestrated, oh well. The music in the Zelda trailer was, at least.

An epic adventure game can't get it, but Smash Bros gets the full orchestra treatment. Makes no sense. :)[/quote]Yeah I agree. It would have been great if the music was orchestrated. It would have given it that "Lord of the Rings" soundtrack vibe. Voiceovers would have been a good decision as well. Although many would disagree, but I'd actually like the idea if Link had some voiceover/dialogue work.
 
[quote name='Chacrana']fucking Kidtendo noobs your best game din't even get a good score cause it's gay!!!!![/QUOTE]

:rofl:

[quote name='apossum'] 8.8 is the new 3! [/quote]

:rofl:

Dave
 
[quote name='Roufuss']Just seems kind of odd we've gone to carefully dissecting every facet of a review for any imaginary flaws instead of just reading the review, learning what we can, and making an informed purchase.[/QUOTE]

You mean like how he said the game was fun, reaffirmed what everyone knew that this was THE wii game to have and noted that the presentation wasn't all there which is a fair comparison when compared to the game's contemporaries? It just so happens most game sites make these presentation elements a fairly important part of their score. If you disagree with placing an emphasis on that, then the review still tells you that you're going to find the experience you're looking for here.

The comparison to 1 witness saying "something else" from 7 others seems completely unmerited to me as well. All agree that its a great game and a fun experience, but one reviewer thinks there are some things that would have improved it from him. There are going to be people like Jeff that wish the game did somethings differently, and for that reason it seems very appropriate that these criticisms are mentioned. If that person isn't you, it isn't as if the review is going to affect your enjoyment of the game.

If you're buying a Wii, you're going to buy TP. I'm going to buy TP. This review changes nothing and actually brings up some interesting discussion points. How much will control schemes factor into the wii's enjoyment? Will it be harder to enjoy wii games because they don't have the same presentation as their rivals? While people may have different opinions on these questions, it doesn't mean the opinions of someone who answers these questions differently from you are less valuable. In fact, I appreciate having a chance to see the game from a slightly different perspective.

Having just spent abit of time reading the Gamefaq TP board, many of the replies in this thread could just as easily been found there which is alittle disapointing. Lets all keep an open mind about this other peoples opinions and not let this kind of thing degrade into mindless fanboyism.
 
I think the score for graphics people are looking at are based on previous GC and Xbox Graphics and alot of what is missing is presentation or 480p. Weird though, alot of games don't get a bump for art style like Rayman. Some people also don't like the Wii period and are still getting used to it. I am going back and playing some games on current gen systems like God of War and think they look great and they are fun. I am not going to drag a game down because it doesn't look as good as DOA Xtreme Volleyball 2 :p
 
You don't need to criticize Gerstmann's appearance, that's dumb.

But, it's fair game to criticize him as a reviewer and frankly he's a hack.
Read a bunch of his reviews and see for yourself. Arbitrary nonsense.
 
[quote name='Dezuria']The MIDI music is a big letdown. Do we really need N64 quality music, 2 systems later?

I thought I read somewhere that Zelda's music was going to be orchestrated, oh well. The music in the Zelda trailer was, at least.
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MIDI has nothing to do with sound quality, at all. This is just ignorance.
It's a hell of a lot more interesting to have a music score that reacts to
what is going on in the game, than to just stream some pre rendered
audio (which ALL use MIDI as well...it's a professional standard folks)
which just plays in the background no matter what happens in the game.
 
I have mine paid off for for tonight I'm getting it. 8.8 is a really really low score but I really don't care if the game play is crappy and has horrible graphics. :roll:
 
[quote name='Roufuss']To be fair, most of his complaints didn't even have to do with the controller, and the ones that did were legitimate things like "When I tried to do a shield bash, I kept geting a spin attack". Now, maybe he just sucks at motions, or maybe the motion detecting isn't 100% perfect?

He also mentioned how there was no finesse to the Wiimote movements for the sword, again, a valid concern.
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You shild bash with your left and and spin attack with your right. At least thats what i thought. I might just suck. Its a shame about the lack of finesse to the game if thats the case. People arnt judgeing him on this review but other thigns he has said in the past, thats why poeple are reacting as they are.
 
[quote name='Roufuss']I remember when people just cared about what the review said and the score, but now it's also who is reviewing the game, what systems does he like, how has he acted before, what does he look like, what's his preferences.

People find any reason to dismiss any review they don't find appealing... they can't take the review for what it is, they say "Oh, it's Jeff, I remember 6 months ago in some video he commented he dosen't like the Wii's controls, what a loser I can't trust this review!!!"

It's really ridiculous the lengths people go to for these reviews and scores. For me, I read them, look at the pro's and con's, and that's it... I don't carefully pick apart the staff to find flaws that don't really exist within the confines of the review.

When I read that review, I thought the dude was a fan of the Wii but just didn't like some of the things he found wrong like the wrong move coming out, it's not until I read this thread that apparently Jeff is some guy who's overweight and hated on the Wii 3 years ago so his credibility is out the window. Who cares if he wrote a good review, right? He dosen't agree with the other reviewers so he's automatically wrong and I'll use whatever I can to prove it, even if it's not relevant!

Just seems kind of odd we've gone to carefully dissecting every facet of a review for any imaginary flaws instead of just reading the review, learning what we can, and making an informed purchase.[/QUOTE]

Coming on here after reading it and finding out about the man's credibility just adds insult to injury, for me. I actually got the impression that I was reading some long blog or messageboard post on Zelda written by someone that really didn't want to enjoy it...it just felt like most of his complaints were either a) irrational, or b) blown way out of proportion. It bothered me, reviewers should be more professional than that.

Of course you're right, making fun of their appearances is stupid (although I think those comments were a joke, people), but how is knowing what the reviewer's personality and preferences NOT important? Games don't have some unanimous score that "should" be attached to them, and so we should all seek out reviewers that we know we can trust / generally agree with. This review, I guess, will let 360/"next gen" fans know that they'd still like the game, for the most part.

I'm not necessarily complaining about the score (though it's oddly low compared to EVERYONE else, you have to admit), but what he said in it. Despite their much higher score, I feel the same way about IGN's review (I'm sorry, but harshing on a game because you WANTED orchestral music is just stupid...this might be the only game that has ever been marked down for such a specific and stupid reason).


I think everyone should care about what the reviews SAY, not what score is attached. I'd be happy without scores, but they're a necessary evil.
 
Well ya thats what I mean, but what he said and the score he gave go hand in hand. He made it sound like he hated the system when I read it.
 
[quote name='redgopher']I AM SO fuckING SICK of people who think ANYTHING less than a 9.0 is a bad review.[/quote]
QFT. Videogame reviews. SERIOUS BUSINESS!

The same thing happened when IGN gave Kingdom Hearts 2 a 7.4/10. I just take it as someone's opinion, and it rarely affects my decision in buying a game.
 
Nintendo lied to us. Here's a quote:

"You may have noticed that the trailer uses fully orchestrated music. The composer, Koji Kondo, says this is his first time working with a full orchestra, and it is the first time an orchestra has been used for any Zelda game."

WHY ORCHESTRAL MUSIC AT E3 and not for the game?
WHY IN THE TRAILER but not in the game?

I heard some of the mp3s and the hair on my testicals froze up and snapped off. Then I heard about the MIDI music, and I went from having a zebra erection to a gerbil erection.

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[quote name='nirv']Nintendo lied to us. Here's a quote:

"You may have noticed that the trailer uses fully orchestrated music. The composer, Koji Kondo, says this is his first time working with a full orchestra, and it is the first time an orchestra has been used for any Zelda game."

WHY ORCHESTRAL MUSIC AT E3 and not for the game?
WHY IN THE TRAILER but not in the game?

I heard some of the mp3s and the hair on my testicals froze up and snapped off. Then I heard about the MIDI music, and I went from having a zebra erection to a gerbil erection.[/QUOTE]
I don't see any lies in the statement. He says the trailer is using fully orchestrated music. He never said anything about the game have a fully orchestrated soundtrack. He could have just meant that the game would feature some orchestrated music. Of course I could be wrong since this is only part of the statement.
 
[quote name='nirv']Nintendo lied to us. Here's a quote:

"You may have noticed that the trailer uses fully orchestrated music. The composer, Koji Kondo, says this is his first time working with a full orchestra, and it is the first time an orchestra has been used for any Zelda game."

WHY ORCHESTRAL MUSIC AT E3 and not for the game?
WHY IN THE TRAILER but not in the game?

I heard some of the mp3s and the hair on my testicals froze up and snapped off. Then I heard about the MIDI music, and I went from having a zebra erection to a gerbil erection.

[stupid image snipped][/QUOTE]


Read my post again. You don't know what you are talking about.
Orchestral and MIDI do not contradict each other at all.
 
[quote name='porieux']Read my post again. You don't know what you are talking about.
Orchestral and MIDI do not contradict each other at all.[/quote]


Isn't it interesting that the music is part of the reason Gamespot gives it an 8.8? Isn't it interesting that a Nintendo fan website has a discussion about it?

http://www.codenamerevolution.com/?p=2980
 
[quote name='nirv']Isn't it interesting that the music is part of the reason Gamespot gives it an 8.8? Isn't it interesting that a Nintendo fan website has a discussion about it?

http://www.codenamerevolution.com/?p=2980[/QUOTE]

Isn't it interesting that you're not listening to what other people are saying? It looks like you've made up your mind on the whole music thing, but the rest of us have moved on.
 
[quote name='Xizer']8.8 on GameSpot = flop

This is unacceptable. It was reviewed by Gerstmann...no wonder.[/QUOTE]
Very unacceptable! Why did they give it to he same reviewer has reviewed all the Zelda games since Gamespot.com opened it's virtual doors? The same guy that gave The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time a 10 out of 10 eight years ago. He needs to be more gay for Link. ;)

I had to double check the score because it seemed like CAG is bitching about a 5.6/10 score not an 8.8/10. I know at times our fanboyism can get the best of us but remember to take deep breathes and count to five. Everything will be ok, well everything will be ok until a reviewer gives Super Smash Bros. Brawl an 8.6/10 ;)
 
Gamespot decides to pour salt onto the wound:


Matt Rorie, the Games Guide Editor, responds to the attacks on the 8.8 rating:

Since I know people are upset about the review (which is odd considering how few people have played this game at the moment), I figured I'd share some opinions based on playing through the first five hours or so of the game.

It's the same damn game we've all been playing for the last 15-odd years. Hey, guess what? You get to go into dungeons...and find items...and put together pieces of heart to make new heart containers. I haven't gotten very far into it, but I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that Triforce is in the mix at some point.

There's a difference between tradition and ossification, and Nintendo's been content to let this series stay the same for too damn long. What's more, in a lot of ways it's actually getting to be pretty annoying. The helper characters, in particular, seem to be intended to be cute, but they wind up being maddeningly insufferable. In a lot of ways, Midna, the helper character from Twilight Princess, is even worse than Tingle from Wind Waker. And I don't know whose idea it was to make the first dungeon in the game feature a large number of monkeys that follow you around making incessent monkey noises, but they should be shot. Most annoying. sound. ever. When you have the pointer active, it also makes a shimmering sound as you move the Wiimote around. It never ever stops making this sound, and it got so damn annoying that I simply turned the pointer off completely.

Since every game in this series is more or less the same, outside of minor details, choosing among them is more or less a matter of deciding which style suits you best. Wind Waker had, at the very least, a graphical sensibility that was unique, whereas Twilight Princess just seems...generic. For a game that plays up its theoretically realistic graphical style, it also has to do a bit better job of representing the world; it's fine that the Wii isn't as powerful as a 360 or a PS3, but at the very least it should be capable of matching the best-looking games on the GameCube.

From top to bottom, Twilight Princess is a game that was transparently designed for the GameCube and hacked to work on the Wii. The controls feel kind of shoddy in a lot of ways. I guess what disappoints me most about this game is the lack of ambition and innovation. The Wii has some promising ideas behind it, but if they're content to have their flagship title be Just Another Zelda Game(TM) then they're getting off on the wrong foot.

I guess if you like the Zelda formula, then you'll like this game. Speaking for myself, though, I can't imagine how anyone really gets excited for them anymore; the recycling of game mechanics ventured into self-parody territory years ago. I really think the series needs to take a cue from Resident Evil 4 and reinvent itself completely. Heck, even the Final Fantasy games manage to make some big changes to the series' conventions with each installation. As it is, everything about Twilight Princess, and pretty much every game in the series aside from The Adventure of Link, smacks of Nintendo being content to play it safe with their big-money series. Give me something new!
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Look at the guy's collection and tell me that he has any room to be talking about games that never change.

Call of Dutys
Final Fantasys
Grand theft Autos
A bunch of generic FPSes

Can you say "Douchebag"?
 
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