Guitar Hero II - General Disscusion - Indie Pack #2 - 3 Songs Up Now

fuck that. I'd love to see first day sales on those. They've lost their mind if they think people will pay for that.

150 per pack, absolutely. 500? HAHAHAHAH
 
[quote name='daroga'] When you get song rights, you only do so for a set project. They would've had to get new contracts signed for the 360 version as the PS2 original wouldn't have included this in the original scope of the deal.[/QUOTE]


That's their fault for poor vision and wording in their licensing deal. A little bit more on the front end would have reduced the cost in the long run.

I'm not buying it, and I hope overall they get the message.
 
[quote name='Scorch']fuck that. I'd love to see first day sales on those. They've lost their mind if they think people will pay for that.[/QUOTE]

I suspect you'll be dead wrong about that, actually.

Not that I'll be the kind of person who would pay for those downloads. I'd much rather have the option of all the GH1 tracks for 1600-2400 points. I'm not paying $2 for a song, I'm just not going to sell GH1 now, I suppose.

What's the file size on those packs, and are they already available?
 
WOW WTF.


fuck those prices. God damn. When you make the promise that you are going to have the most downloadable content of any game on the 360 via the marketplace, don't go out and overcharge people on one of the main selling points of the game. Now I'm pissed, no way I'm spending 500 points on 3 fucking songs. Bullshit.
 
I threw up in my mouth a little when I saw the prices... I'll just wait and hopefully they will come out with a big pack of songs for a better price than this crap.
 
[quote name='CocheseUGA']That's their fault for poor vision and wording in their licensing deal. A little bit more on the front end would have reduced the cost in the long run.

I'm not buying it, and I hope overall they get the message.[/quote]I don't know that it's thier "fault." They hardly would've suspected in 2005 that in 07 they'd have a run away hit with a sequel on a console supporting downloadable songs. To get a sufficently open-ended contract on those songs to do whatever they wanted with in the future would've made the cost insane.

In the end, however, I have a feeling this is Microsoft's doing and not the song agreements. We've read too much recently about MS forcing companies to charge a set amount for things (Geomoetry Wars, Gears DLC, etc.) for me not to believe this isn't some MS big-wig calling the shots.
 
[quote name='CokeCola']Added.

I'm not outstanding at this game, but I am currently lacking competition from my friends list. So this goes for everybody: if you play the game on expert* and want to compare scores with a CAG, add me.

*Or if you don't. Whatever.[/quote]

I'll add you (and whoever else, feel free to send me an invite). I am millions of points ahead of everyone on my friends list. I'm ranked just under 1000 in career.
 
For those of you that don't know, I remember when EA put out new maps for LotR:BfMEII that cost 700 points. Then everyone complained and said they wouldn't buy the maps, and EA eventually dropped it to 350 points.


I'm just saying, if enough people complain and don't buy these, we will see a price drop. Just need a strong willpower of the consumer to not buy these.


http://www.redoctanegames.com/0_contact.asp


There's the link to send a message to redoctane, I know a lot of people that already have. Just let them know in a non threatening way that you dissaprove of the price points for the GHII downloadable content and you know many others that do, blah blah blah.
 
The file size for each pack is 30 megs or so - at least they're not unlock keys!

The prices are too high, but I still bought them... I got 2 free marketplace cards from some website, so it wasn't too bad.
If you just are paying $15 for your Marketplace cards at Best Buy, then the songs end up being $1.57 each. Every little bit helps...
 
[quote name='Flyersfan']For those of you that don't know, I remember when EA put out new maps for LotR:BfMEII that cost 700 points. Then everyone complained and said they wouldn't buy the maps, and EA eventually dropped it to 350 points.


I'm just saying, if enough people complain and don't buy these, we will see a price drop. Just need a strong willpower of the consumer to not buy these.


http://www.redoctanegames.com/0_contact.asp


There's the link to send a message to redoctane, I know a lot of people that already have. Just let them know in a non threatening way that you dissaprove of the price points for the GHII downloadable content and you know many others that do, blah blah blah.[/quote]Emailed. Thanks for the link.
 
They should have at least priced each song individually at around 80-100pts instead of forcing you into these ridiculous 500pts. packs.
 
I would really love to have the new song packs, especially with co-op. But there's no way I'm paying that much. Like mykevermin said, I'll just have to hang on to GH1. Here's hoping they at least decide to package them all together at some point and lower the cost. A LOT!
 
Like I said, it sucks that the prices are so high, but we're all CAGers. You guys should be thinking of how to get cheap marketplace cards at the same time you're emailing Redoctane to complain...
 
[quote name='daroga']I don't know that it's thier "fault." They hardly would've suspected in 2005 that in 07 they'd have a run away hit with a sequel on a console supporting downloadable songs.[/QUOTE]
I agree there. They couldn't have known it was going to turn into the mega-hit it did. All franchises (and I'm not just talking about games) start small and make mistakes early on.

In the end, however, I have a feeling this is Microsoft's doing and not the song agreements.
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Wouldn't shock me. Major Nelson is already on the defensive with paper-thin excuses - now watch, they're going to do the exact same thing they did with Lumines: offer more songs at a "special sale price" (at the price they should have been to begin with) and act like they are doing us a favor and listening to our complaints. What's sad is, people will actually thank them for it.


"First day" sales will be fine, because people with no spine/limitless funds will buy it up. But this isn't something that is going to have legs for more than the first few days.
 
[quote name='Flyersfan']For those of you that don't know, I remember when EA put out new maps for LotR:BfMEII that cost 700 points. Then everyone complained and said they wouldn't buy the maps, and EA eventually dropped it to 350 points.


I'm just saying, if enough people complain and don't buy these, we will see a price drop. Just need a strong willpower of the consumer to not buy these.


http://www.redoctanegames.com/0_contact.asp


There's the link to send a message to redoctane, I know a lot of people that already have. Just let them know in a non threatening way that you dissaprove of the price points for the GHII downloadable content and you know many others that do, blah blah blah.[/QUOTE]

Also emailed thanks for the link!
 
slightly off topic.. i want to purchase the gh2 bundle..

did they ever say that a wireless guitar would come out? i would hate to buy this bundle only to have a better guitar come out later..

have they said anything about gh3?
 
Wow - The price of the downloadable content has me rethinking the entire purchase. I haven't bought GHII for the 360 as of yet, and with this announcement, I may just stick with the PS2 and start looking for a cheap disk only version of GHII.
 
[quote name='Flyersfan']For those of you that don't know, I remember when EA put out new maps for LotR:BfMEII that cost 700 points. Then everyone complained and said they wouldn't buy the maps, and EA eventually dropped it to 350 points.[/QUOTE]

Or maybe they could release them for a discounted price for a limited time like they did with Lumines. Either way I hope they do something to make the price more reasonable.
 
[quote name='eastx']Like I said, it sucks that the prices are so high, but we're all CAGers. You guys should be thinking of how to get cheap marketplace cards at the same time you're emailing Redoctane to complain...[/QUOTE]
I don't know if that's really the point though. Yes, I'll pick up a points card or two when there is a sale, and I'll get one as a gift once in a while. If I spend those points, though, it's going to be to support something that is giving us a solid value. Even if you have 8000 points stockpiled, buying these just reassures MS and Red Octane that you'll continue to pay their exorbitant prices no matter what they do.

Hell, if anything I would have thought Red Octane might try to put these out for next to nothing as a good-faith gesture after the whammy bar debacle.
 
[quote name='$hady']Rape! :hot: I'm out i'm happy with mastering what came on the disc..

Just looked over at majornelson.com and it looks like he just responded to everyones complaints on his blog.

"Remember, these song packs contain *licensed* songs. Licensing songs gets pretty expensive, and complicated when you involve other countries. Anyone who knows a little bit about the music industry and publishing can tell you that it's not a walk in the park to secure content and the proper distribution licenses for songs.
I'll pass along the comments."



:roll:[/QUOTE]

More Bullshit from Microsoft's biggest corporate shill - Trying to lay the blame on the record companies and 'licensing issues' is just weak.

If Apple turns a profit charging $1 per song (and this is for the original artist, not a shoddy cover band), GH1 songs shouldn't be more than 100 points each, the extra cost covering the slight expense of have to button map the songs for gameplay.
 
[quote name='daroga']I don't know that it's thier "fault." They hardly would've suspected in 2005 that in 07 they'd have a run away hit with a sequel on a console supporting downloadable songs. To get a sufficently open-ended contract on those songs to do whatever they wanted with in the future would've made the cost insane.[/QUOTE]

A very valid point. I work for an academic journal, and we protect our rights like a motherfucker. I can't imagine what "Bark at the Moon" would cost.

I sincerely doubt, however, that even if they were forward thinking enough to avoid repaying for the songs, as you point out, there's no way they could have predicted DLC then.

Besides, if you have an unproven product and you're an unproven publisher, and you want to license *music* with an option for DLC? Does nobody recall how frazzled the music industry was towards DLC before iTunes? RedOctane would have been laughed out the door.

All that said, I still agree with the "fuck this price" nonsense.
 
This is really disappointing news. I'm weak so I'll probably cave and buy at least one of the packs but I definitely think the pricing isn't exactly fair. 100 points for 1 song would be perfect, IMO. Are we getting any more achievement points with these (I think I heard they can add up to 200 more achievement points through DLC)? I don't think a price drop will ever come - has anything dropped yet?
 
[quote name='guyver2077']slightly off topic.. i want to purchase the gh2 bundle..

did they ever say that a wireless guitar would come out? i would hate to buy this bundle only to have a better guitar come out later..

have they said anything about gh3?[/quote]

As far as I know GHIII is slated for fall of 2007 according to the website (someone posted this here there other day). I also don't think we will see a wireless guitar soon as MS said they dont want third parties using their wireless connection thing, something like that.
 
http://www.redoctanegames.com/0_contact.asp



Let them know how you feel! Any little e-mail helps, this will work if enough people get it to them that they won't buy the songs at these prices, or how they are set up.

I really hope they lower the prices before I get the game this weekend (very much doubt it), they will probably wait for all the die-hards to buy the songs, then with all the negative reactions, lower them when sales taper off.
 
[quote name='magiic']As far as I know GHIII is slated for fall of 2007 according to the website (someone posted this here there other day). I also don't think we will see a wireless guitar soon as MS said they dont want third parties using their wireless connection thing, something like that.[/quote]

man that sucks... i always disconnect the damn usb cord
 
RedOctane was smart to keep this pricing on wraps until after the game was launched. I'm not saying it would have changed my purchase discusion, but I'm sure it makes the DLC practically a pointless feature for many. If they were going to charge over $2 a song, the songs should be release individually, so we could pick or choose. I'd like to buy a song or two, but not 1500 points worth of packs. How are these intigrated into gameplay?
 
[quote name='Flyersfan']http://www.redoctanegames.com/0_contact.asp



Let them know how you feel! Any little e-mail helps, this will work if enough people get it to them that they won't buy the songs at these prices, or how they are set up.

I really hope they lower the prices before I get the game this weekend (very much doubt it), they will probably wait for all the die-hards to buy the songs, then with all the negative reactions, lower them when sales taper off.[/QUOTE]

I dropped them a quick email voicing my displeasure, and would encourage everyone to do the same. Try not to flame, however, as that will undoubtedly result in no one taking your message seriously.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']Sent my email as well. Not dissing but praising the game and disapproving the DLC prices.[/quote]


That's pretty much what I did. Love the game, bad pricing for one of the main selling points for many to get this game.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']Sent my email as well. Not dissing but praising the game and disapproving the DLC prices.[/QUOTE]

More or less the same here. I politely told them I'd love to give them my money for DLC, but I can and will wait until prices drop.

Truth be told, this was strategically bad for RO. 500 points will always be lame, but if they had waited 4 weeks or more, people would have been more prone to getting more for their game. One week later, many of us haven't finished the game, and those who have likely aren't tired of the song selection yet. It's very easy for us to refuse this DLC because (1) it's way to damned much and (2) we're still working on the main game.
 
If you can download the actual song from iTunes for a dollar, the "as made famous" version for Guitar Hero should be similarly priced.

Honestly, the licensing fees for "Infected" couldn't have been that much. The song appears on an Atlantic Records release, but all rights and publishing for the song belong to Epitaph. Epitaph is FAMOUS for letting their music be used for just about anything on the cheap.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']More or less the same here. I politely told them I'd love to give them my money for DLC, but I can and will wait until prices drop.

Truth be told, this was strategically bad for RO. 500 points will always be lame, but if they had waited 4 weeks or more, people would have been more prone to getting more for their game. One week later, many of us haven't finished the game, and those who have likely aren't tired of the song selection yet. It's very easy for us to refuse this DLC because (1) it's way to damned much and (2) we're still working on the main game.[/quote]

Or we can't finish the game, let alone play the fucking thing because of defective guitars that Red Octane won't respond to replacement questions about...
 
Wow... I can't believe that they're charging 500 points for 3 songs...
I really can't believe that they're trying to say that it's the cost of licensing.
It's bullsh!t.

GH I - where all these songs came from sells (w/o guitar) for $40.

There are at least 30 licensed songs (not counting unlockables, etc - just what they advertise).

Assuming 30 songs - that's a cost of ~$1.33/song.

Now, that's $1.33/song for all the costs associated with the production of the game. Development, mastering, advertising, packaging, etc... Everything INCLUDING the licensing.

M$/RedOctane are now saying to us that it's gonna cost over $2.00/song (US pricing) for something that most of the work was already done on, doesn't require packaging, advertising... but they're licensed... OK... whatever.

There's been a few too many price-gouging DLCs for my liking... I won't be buying this, at least not until the price is more in line with the value.
 
Wasn't the DLC the big selling point of the 360 version, seeing as there's no wire-less guitars and I believe no co-op/competetive play over Live.

500 points for 3 songs is crazy, I was thinking about getting this but I'll not bother now.
 
I was actually thinking about downloading songs but hell no for 500 points. That's crazy and this is why I hate the trend of the Marketplace. The game already cost $90 and they are giving us songs from GH1 which they could have just put into the game. Now they want 500 points for 3 songs?!?! fuck that.
 
I'm more upset that they are covers rather than master tracks. If your gonna gouge me, at least make it for a genuine product. Thanks for including the conact info for RO in the previous posts, hopefully if their inbox is flooded they will think about this harder.
 
Did EA buy out RO or something? $2 per song? Are you fucking kidding me? I was expecting 800 points for the 9 songs, or maybe 1000, but 1500 for songs that are covers? No thanks, they get none of my money.
 
I'm kinda disappointed we haven't seen the original stuff that was rumored like the Halo theme. I could have swallowed one GH pack and one original song pack

I'd weep in the streets if they offered the end theme for Viva Pinata as a download.
 
[quote name='asianxcore']has anyone who bought the new songs tried them out on Co-Op yet?[/QUOTE]

This is my main question. Do these new songs have all the co-op feautures of Guitar Hero 2 or are they just ports from Guitar Hero 1.

There was not as many co-op features for these songs in Guitar Hero 1. Basically each person would take turns playing parts of the songs.
 
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