IGN's Top 25 Gamecube games
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[quote name='botticus']I'd definitely rate Symphonia well above Baten Kaitos, so that will be an odd omission if it turns out to be the case.[/quote]
Agreed. IGN needs to make a top 5 "games that you all felt we should have included, but didn't" for each console. At least that would show why they weren't considered good enough for the list.
Agreed. IGN needs to make a top 5 "games that you all felt we should have included, but didn't" for each console. At least that would show why they weren't considered good enough for the list.
[quote name='ma']Based on the picks so far and looking at the Editor's Choice sorted by score, the top 10 will probably be these games (I'm predicting the order):
1. RE4
2. Super Smash Bros. Melee
3. Metroid Prime
4. Zelda: Twilight Princess
5. Zelda: Wind Waker
6. Eternal Darkness (Pikmin 2)
7. Pikmin 2 (F-Zero GX)
8. F-Zero X (Prince of Persia: Sands of Time)
9. SSX 3 (Super Mario Sunshine)
10. Super Mario Sunshine (Wave Race: Blue Storm)
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Hmm, only 3/5 on #6-#10. They dissed SSX3 and Eternal Darkness for PoP and Wave Race. I guess the thinking would be that the PS2 was the best platform for SSX3 (shoulder buttons). I really don't see Wave Race as top 10 though.
I bet my top 5 are right. Unless they leave off Twilight Princess (bullshit), in which case my contingency pick is Eternal Darkness.
1. RE4
2. Super Smash Bros. Melee
3. Metroid Prime
4. Zelda: Twilight Princess
5. Zelda: Wind Waker
6. Eternal Darkness (Pikmin 2)
7. Pikmin 2 (F-Zero GX)
8. F-Zero X (Prince of Persia: Sands of Time)
9. SSX 3 (Super Mario Sunshine)
10. Super Mario Sunshine (Wave Race: Blue Storm)
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Hmm, only 3/5 on #6-#10. They dissed SSX3 and Eternal Darkness for PoP and Wave Race. I guess the thinking would be that the PS2 was the best platform for SSX3 (shoulder buttons). I really don't see Wave Race as top 10 though.
I bet my top 5 are right. Unless they leave off Twilight Princess (bullshit), in which case my contingency pick is Eternal Darkness.
Just as a comparison, if you take the top 25 (26 actually since the last few are tied) from Metacritic, which, conveniently enough means average scores of 90 or higher, you get:
1 Metroid Prime 2002 97
2 Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, The 2006 96
3 Resident Evil 4 2005 96
4 Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker 2003 96
5 Legend of Zelda Collector's Edition, The 2003 95
6 Madden NFL 2004 2003 94
7 Soul Calibur II 2003 93
8 Viewtiful Joe 2003 93
9 Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem 2002 92
10 SSX 3 2003 92
11 Madden NFL 2003 2002 92
12 Super Smash Bros. Melee 2001 92
13 Super Mario Sunshine 2002 92
14 Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time 2003 92
15 Metroid Prime 2: Echoes 2004 92
16 NFL 2K3 2002 92
17 Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 4 2002 91
18 Resident Evil 2002 91
19 Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time / Master Quest, The 2003 91
20 NCAA Football 2003 2002 91
21 Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3 2001 91
22 Star Wars Rogue Squadron II: Rogue Leader 2001 90
23 NBA 2K2 2002 90
24 Pikmin 2 2004 90
25 Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2003 2002 90
26 Madden NFL 2005 2004 90
Since it seemed IGN was picking the best games on the GC irregardless of whether they were multiplatform or not, I'm surprised they left off Madden, Tony Hawk, and NCAA Football (which are on for the other systems I believe).
So far there's only 8 that are the same amongst the 20 IGN has picked. I'm sure it will end up being 13/25 in the end. Still, some pretty big differences (of course, I think the Zelda Collector's discs need to be excluded).
Wave Race Blue Srom has an 80 average on metacritic, making it tied for 112th with such games as Donkey Kong Jungle Beat and Baten Kaitos
. Tales of Symphonia is at 86, tied for 53rd and just above Fire Emblem PoR (avg. score: 85). Now certainly, you can't take the Metacritic top 25 as those scores are a bit skewed (too many Sports games and score were too high for early GC games just 'cause they were new and shiny at the time). So I recognize the desire to "reach down" and grab things like BW and DKJB. But I think IGN went a little overboard there on a few.
David, I've never played Eternal Darkness, but, like RE4, I would include it on my list (near the bottom for both) just because I recognize they are critically acclaimed - though I will probably never play either.
1 Metroid Prime 2002 97
2 Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, The 2006 96
3 Resident Evil 4 2005 96
4 Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker 2003 96
5 Legend of Zelda Collector's Edition, The 2003 95
6 Madden NFL 2004 2003 94
7 Soul Calibur II 2003 93
8 Viewtiful Joe 2003 93
9 Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem 2002 92
10 SSX 3 2003 92
11 Madden NFL 2003 2002 92
12 Super Smash Bros. Melee 2001 92
13 Super Mario Sunshine 2002 92
14 Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time 2003 92
15 Metroid Prime 2: Echoes 2004 92
16 NFL 2K3 2002 92
17 Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 4 2002 91
18 Resident Evil 2002 91
19 Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time / Master Quest, The 2003 91
20 NCAA Football 2003 2002 91
21 Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3 2001 91
22 Star Wars Rogue Squadron II: Rogue Leader 2001 90
23 NBA 2K2 2002 90
24 Pikmin 2 2004 90
25 Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2003 2002 90
26 Madden NFL 2005 2004 90
Since it seemed IGN was picking the best games on the GC irregardless of whether they were multiplatform or not, I'm surprised they left off Madden, Tony Hawk, and NCAA Football (which are on for the other systems I believe).
So far there's only 8 that are the same amongst the 20 IGN has picked. I'm sure it will end up being 13/25 in the end. Still, some pretty big differences (of course, I think the Zelda Collector's discs need to be excluded).
Wave Race Blue Srom has an 80 average on metacritic, making it tied for 112th with such games as Donkey Kong Jungle Beat and Baten Kaitos
. Tales of Symphonia is at 86, tied for 53rd and just above Fire Emblem PoR (avg. score: 85). Now certainly, you can't take the Metacritic top 25 as those scores are a bit skewed (too many Sports games and score were too high for early GC games just 'cause they were new and shiny at the time). So I recognize the desire to "reach down" and grab things like BW and DKJB. But I think IGN went a little overboard there on a few.David, I've never played Eternal Darkness, but, like RE4, I would include it on my list (near the bottom for both) just because I recognize they are critically acclaimed - though I will probably never play either.
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[quote name='io']
David, I've never played Eternal Darkness, but, like RE4, I would include it on my list (near the bottom for both) just because I recognize they are critically acclaimed - though I will probably never play either.[/QUOTE]
I'm one of about a dozen here who hate it and see it for what it is. I haven't played a few games on the list I made but added them because they are "critically acclaimed". I still would never include it on my list. I would add some RPGs because ED went on my top 25 list. It MIGHT make a top 50 list towards the end.
David, I've never played Eternal Darkness, but, like RE4, I would include it on my list (near the bottom for both) just because I recognize they are critically acclaimed - though I will probably never play either.[/QUOTE]
I'm one of about a dozen here who hate it and see it for what it is. I haven't played a few games on the list I made but added them because they are "critically acclaimed". I still would never include it on my list. I would add some RPGs because ED went on my top 25 list. It MIGHT make a top 50 list towards the end.
Top five are up:
1. Metroid Prime
2. Resident Evil 4
3. Super Smash Bros. Melee
4. The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
5. Eternal Darkness
Apparently LoZ:TP doesn't count as a GC title...
[quote name='David85']I'm one of about a dozen here who hate it and see it for what it is.[/quote]
No, you don't.
1. Metroid Prime
2. Resident Evil 4
3. Super Smash Bros. Melee
4. The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
5. Eternal Darkness
Apparently LoZ:TP doesn't count as a GC title...
[quote name='David85']I'm one of about a dozen here who hate it and see it for what it is.[/quote]
No, you don't.
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Prime was too hard for me to get into. It was fun at times but I couldnt get into the control scheme. I still have it (since its basically worthless) and I might try it again some day, but I certainly miss the 2D versions. I really don't get whay every single game has so be 3D--- well at least the big franchises.
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I own 19/25 and have rented 4/6 that I don't own. The only games on that list I haven't played are Animal Crossing and Wave Race. I agree with IGN's 1-4 choices except I think Twilight Princess should be #1 on the list. The Gamecube is where the game truley belongs. IMO it was ported to the Wii.
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I have 19 of the 25 although a lot of them are on my "to play" list.
The list needs more Chibi.
The list needs more Chibi.
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Their reasoning for leaving off TP was a joke. Don't care where it was released first, TP was a port to the wii.
While I do like a majority of the games on the GC and PS2 lists, I would hardly say either of those lists are the best 25 that those consoles have to offer.
While I do like a majority of the games on the GC and PS2 lists, I would hardly say either of those lists are the best 25 that those consoles have to offer.
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The only ones I don't have are Rogue Squadron, Wave Race, and Super Mario Sunshine (I used to have it, but I traded it to my friend who likes Mario platformers more than I do). I'm pretty okay with the list. The lower half is of course debatable, and leaving out TP was lame.
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So crap like Wave Race was selected over quality games like Mario Kart Double Dash!! and Tales of Symphonia? Wow.
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I don't think it's possible for anyone to agree on these sorts of things... but I definitely don't agree with some of IGN's choices. My top 10 GC games would be(note that Twilight Princess is not on my list either, simply because I think of it as a Wii game. If it were included, it'd be number 1 or 2, I'm not sure):
1. Metroid Prime- I have to agree with them here. While 3D Metroid will never replace 2D Metroid, this game was still amazing and lived up to the Metroid name. It's superior to the sequal as well, even though MP2 is still great.
2. Super Smash Bros. Melee- Does this one even need an explanation?
3. Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker- Yeah, there are problems. But the art direction was brilliant(ok, so the Link design could've used some work, but the rest was beautiful), and the classic Zelda gameplay is still there. Sailing gets tedious yes, but for the first time I felt a 3D Zelda actually had an overworld of similar size to the 2D ones, which was great(they did a pretty good job with the overworld in TP also, but it still could've been better). With another dungeon or two and a few other minor changes, this could've easily been my favorite 3D Zelda ever.
4. Pikmin 2- I seem to be one of the few people who like both Pikmin games. Of the two, I prefer the second, but both of them are amazing in their own ways.
5. Super Mario Sunshine- For all the hate this game gets, I think it was a great game. Especially the 'void levels' which were just pure platforming without the waterpack. A few less red coin collection goals, and a lot less blue coin collecting, and this game would've been even higher on my list.
6. Tales of Symphonia- Yes, I really enjoyed this game. To be honest, the whole Tales series(or at least what I've played of them) seems to be exactly what I'm looking for, because I love RPGs, but prefer a more active battle system over a turn based one. That, and I actually did like the characters, and even the story while cliche, didn't bother me at all.
7. Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door- Speaking of RPGs with a more active battle system, that's one of the big reasons why all of the Mario RPGs over the years have been favorites of mine. Some are better than others, but I have yet to play any Mario based RPG I didn't like. PM:tTYD was a game I didn't want to end, so it has to make my top 10.
8. Metroid Prime 2: Echoes- I have to include it. It's not the best Metroid, but then again it's still good. I didn't particularly like the whole dark world thing, and this one wasn't anywhere near as memorable as the first Metroid Prime. Still, it's good, and I can't imagine it not being in my GC top 10.
9. Pikmin- Even with the gameplay being the same, this is a vastly different game from Pikmin 2. The original has that whole time limit thing going for it, which means you really have to plan things out ahead of time to maximize what you do each day. And that final boss was just crazy. Even though I do think Pikmin 2 is better overall, Pikmin is much more memorable and offers a different enough experience that they both make my list.
10. Animal Crossing- I haven't played this in a long time. But that wasn't always true. When I got this game, I basically played it almost every day for 2 years. Any game that can get me to do that is top 10 material. Unfortunately, I'm burned out on this game now. I can't get interested again. I even bought the DS version as soon as I could, and only played a few months before it bored me.
I can't comment on Resident Evil 4, as I've never liked that series. To be honest, I hated the controls on the ealier ones so much that I never gave RE4 a chance, even though I've been told they've improved the controls a lot now. Still, the whole genre doesn't interest me, I want to be blowing zombies up or hacking them apart, not running from them searching for ammo and having things randomly jump out at me.
I did enjoy Eternal Darkness, being that the game was more about hacking enemies apart with a sword & magic(with guns sometimes being used if needed). But ED was definitely not a top 10 game for me, just an enjoyable one. The story wasn't even particularly anything special, essentially a generic HP Lovecraft ripoff.
1. Metroid Prime- I have to agree with them here. While 3D Metroid will never replace 2D Metroid, this game was still amazing and lived up to the Metroid name. It's superior to the sequal as well, even though MP2 is still great.
2. Super Smash Bros. Melee- Does this one even need an explanation?
3. Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker- Yeah, there are problems. But the art direction was brilliant(ok, so the Link design could've used some work, but the rest was beautiful), and the classic Zelda gameplay is still there. Sailing gets tedious yes, but for the first time I felt a 3D Zelda actually had an overworld of similar size to the 2D ones, which was great(they did a pretty good job with the overworld in TP also, but it still could've been better). With another dungeon or two and a few other minor changes, this could've easily been my favorite 3D Zelda ever.
4. Pikmin 2- I seem to be one of the few people who like both Pikmin games. Of the two, I prefer the second, but both of them are amazing in their own ways.
5. Super Mario Sunshine- For all the hate this game gets, I think it was a great game. Especially the 'void levels' which were just pure platforming without the waterpack. A few less red coin collection goals, and a lot less blue coin collecting, and this game would've been even higher on my list.
6. Tales of Symphonia- Yes, I really enjoyed this game. To be honest, the whole Tales series(or at least what I've played of them) seems to be exactly what I'm looking for, because I love RPGs, but prefer a more active battle system over a turn based one. That, and I actually did like the characters, and even the story while cliche, didn't bother me at all.
7. Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door- Speaking of RPGs with a more active battle system, that's one of the big reasons why all of the Mario RPGs over the years have been favorites of mine. Some are better than others, but I have yet to play any Mario based RPG I didn't like. PM:tTYD was a game I didn't want to end, so it has to make my top 10.
8. Metroid Prime 2: Echoes- I have to include it. It's not the best Metroid, but then again it's still good. I didn't particularly like the whole dark world thing, and this one wasn't anywhere near as memorable as the first Metroid Prime. Still, it's good, and I can't imagine it not being in my GC top 10.
9. Pikmin- Even with the gameplay being the same, this is a vastly different game from Pikmin 2. The original has that whole time limit thing going for it, which means you really have to plan things out ahead of time to maximize what you do each day. And that final boss was just crazy. Even though I do think Pikmin 2 is better overall, Pikmin is much more memorable and offers a different enough experience that they both make my list.
10. Animal Crossing- I haven't played this in a long time. But that wasn't always true. When I got this game, I basically played it almost every day for 2 years. Any game that can get me to do that is top 10 material. Unfortunately, I'm burned out on this game now. I can't get interested again. I even bought the DS version as soon as I could, and only played a few months before it bored me.
I can't comment on Resident Evil 4, as I've never liked that series. To be honest, I hated the controls on the ealier ones so much that I never gave RE4 a chance, even though I've been told they've improved the controls a lot now. Still, the whole genre doesn't interest me, I want to be blowing zombies up or hacking them apart, not running from them searching for ammo and having things randomly jump out at me.
I did enjoy Eternal Darkness, being that the game was more about hacking enemies apart with a sword & magic(with guns sometimes being used if needed). But ED was definitely not a top 10 game for me, just an enjoyable one. The story wasn't even particularly anything special, essentially a generic HP Lovecraft ripoff.
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Yeah, you DEFINITELY haven't played RE4.
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[quote name='pygmy carnotaur']
I can't comment on Resident Evil 4, as I've never liked that series. To be honest, I hated the controls on the ealier ones so much that I never gave RE4 a chance, even though I've been told they've improved the controls a lot now. Still, the whole genre doesn't interest me, I want to be blowing zombies up or hacking them apart, not running from them searching for ammo and having things randomly jump out at me.
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Yeah, I meant to reply to this as well. You should definitely give RE4 a fair shake. It's nothing like the others imo.
I've seen a lot of RE "purists" complain that RE4 isn't survival horror, just another action game now.
I can't comment on Resident Evil 4, as I've never liked that series. To be honest, I hated the controls on the ealier ones so much that I never gave RE4 a chance, even though I've been told they've improved the controls a lot now. Still, the whole genre doesn't interest me, I want to be blowing zombies up or hacking them apart, not running from them searching for ammo and having things randomly jump out at me.
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Yeah, I meant to reply to this as well. You should definitely give RE4 a fair shake. It's nothing like the others imo.
I've seen a lot of RE "purists" complain that RE4 isn't survival horror, just another action game now.
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Yeah I know, and I've heard as much from many different sources. Actually I was planning to give RE4 a shot once it became a Player's Choice title, but I didn't. And now, I never see the GC version for sale, only the PS2 one.
Alright, not that anyone gives a rat's ass, but here's my version of the list:
1. Star Wars Rogue Squadron II: Rogue Leader
I've always claimed on CAG this was my favorite last gen game so I can hardly put it any lower. This is [highlight]the game[/highlight] that I wanted when I was a kid and the original movies came out.
2. Animal Crossing
Purely addictive
3. Super Mario Sunshine
By far my favorite Mario game, I don't get the hate.
4. Legend of Zelda Twilight Princess
Unlike IGN I don't think you can exclude this, especially when you include all the multi-platform stuff that did make the list. I've only played the Wii version, but knowing it is mostly the same I'd put it here.
5. Metroid Prime
Excellent game - I really should finish it some day (that is the reason it isn't at the top).
6. Legend of Zelda Wind Waker
Now this I DID finish!
7. Mario Kart Double Dash
My favorite Mario Kart game - a crime IGN didn't have it on their list at all!
8. Paper Mario Thousand Year Door
9. Super Smash Bros. Melee
In general I think this game is overrated, but it is still excellent.
10. Pikmin 1/2
Can't separate these two - if I had to pick one, I suppose it would be 2.
11. Fire Emblem Path of Radiance
Strategy goodness with a great story!
12. Metroid Prime 2
The MP series is SO good it deserves two spots - now I just need to play this one more than 1/2 hour.
13. Mario Power Tennis
The best of a good selection of Mario-themed sports games.
14. Chibi-Robo
The perfect Nintendo-only kind of experience.
15. Tales of Symphonia
One of the few, and best, GC RPG's.
16. Viewtiful Joe
17. Lego Star Wars II
As far as I'm concerned the best multi-platform game on the GC (VJ doesn't count as it was originally a GC exclusive).
18. Mario Golf Toadstool Tour
Another great Mario sports game.
19. Burnout 2
The best non-Nintendo racing game gets a nod.
20. Battalion Wars
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Note that I have not played any of the entries below this point but have them on here based on critical consensus. I can't simply ignore these games even if I haven't played them or wouldn't ever play them (like RE4).
21. F-Zero GX
22. Prince of Persia Sands of Time
23. Resident Evil 4
24. Baten Kaitos
I will play this one some day soon!
25. Ikaruga
Just to recognize a niche market that the GC was becoming well-known for.
Honorable mention:
Beyond Good & Evil
Eternal Darkness
Mario Superstar Baseball
Super Mario Strikers
Skies of Arcadia Legends
Soul Calibur II
Legend of Zelda Four Swords
Mario Party series
1. Star Wars Rogue Squadron II: Rogue Leader
I've always claimed on CAG this was my favorite last gen game so I can hardly put it any lower. This is [highlight]the game[/highlight] that I wanted when I was a kid and the original movies came out.
2. Animal Crossing
Purely addictive
3. Super Mario Sunshine
By far my favorite Mario game, I don't get the hate.
4. Legend of Zelda Twilight Princess
Unlike IGN I don't think you can exclude this, especially when you include all the multi-platform stuff that did make the list. I've only played the Wii version, but knowing it is mostly the same I'd put it here.
5. Metroid Prime
Excellent game - I really should finish it some day (that is the reason it isn't at the top).
6. Legend of Zelda Wind Waker
Now this I DID finish!
7. Mario Kart Double Dash
My favorite Mario Kart game - a crime IGN didn't have it on their list at all!
8. Paper Mario Thousand Year Door
9. Super Smash Bros. Melee
In general I think this game is overrated, but it is still excellent.
10. Pikmin 1/2
Can't separate these two - if I had to pick one, I suppose it would be 2.
11. Fire Emblem Path of Radiance
Strategy goodness with a great story!
12. Metroid Prime 2
The MP series is SO good it deserves two spots - now I just need to play this one more than 1/2 hour.
13. Mario Power Tennis
The best of a good selection of Mario-themed sports games.
14. Chibi-Robo
The perfect Nintendo-only kind of experience.
15. Tales of Symphonia
One of the few, and best, GC RPG's.
16. Viewtiful Joe
17. Lego Star Wars II
As far as I'm concerned the best multi-platform game on the GC (VJ doesn't count as it was originally a GC exclusive).
18. Mario Golf Toadstool Tour
Another great Mario sports game.
19. Burnout 2
The best non-Nintendo racing game gets a nod.
20. Battalion Wars
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Note that I have not played any of the entries below this point but have them on here based on critical consensus. I can't simply ignore these games even if I haven't played them or wouldn't ever play them (like RE4).
21. F-Zero GX
22. Prince of Persia Sands of Time
23. Resident Evil 4
24. Baten Kaitos
I will play this one some day soon!
25. Ikaruga
Just to recognize a niche market that the GC was becoming well-known for.
Honorable mention:
Beyond Good & Evil
Eternal Darkness
Mario Superstar Baseball
Super Mario Strikers
Skies of Arcadia Legends
Soul Calibur II
Legend of Zelda Four Swords
Mario Party series
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[quote name='pygmy carnotaur']Super Mario Sunshine- For all the hate this game gets, I think it was a great game. Especially the 'void levels' which were just pure platforming without the waterpack. A few less red coin collection goals, and a lot less blue coin collecting, and this game would've been even higher on my list.[/quote]
I enjoyed the game, but it was a far cry from the sublime experience that was SM64. It's pretty clear that the developers wanted to hit that magic number of Shines (120) but didn't have the time to put in an additional level or two.
Ditto on the "void" levels by the way. They were easily my favorite parts of the game.
The list definately needs more Chibi and FE. I would also move Wave Race lower...or remove it completely.
I enjoyed the game, but it was a far cry from the sublime experience that was SM64. It's pretty clear that the developers wanted to hit that magic number of Shines (120) but didn't have the time to put in an additional level or two.
Ditto on the "void" levels by the way. They were easily my favorite parts of the game.
The list definately needs more Chibi and FE. I would also move Wave Race lower...or remove it completely.
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