Japanese Niche Games Deals & Discussion Thread 4.0

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Welcome to the Japanese niche games deals and discussion thread!  Feel free to talk about local and import Japanese games here.  Our goal is to maintain a thread dedicated to active deals on niche games including RPGs, Visual Novels (VN), Shoot'em ups (Shmups), Musou, etc.  Also maintained are pre-orders for standard, limited and collector's edition games with key release dates provided.

I've wikified the thread to make it more friendly and open to others that can actively update with important information. You can find the wiki post directly below this one.

NOTE:  Please, leave the censorship discussion away from this thread.  It's common for japanese games to have questionable content outside of the country.  We want to keep discussions to the game itself and not about cultural/societal tolerance.

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Our moderators are: Draekon, Las_Hole, and Waffleswanton

You can basically friend any of our members, or any moderator, and you will be able to request to join the community under "Communities friends are in" tab, and a mod will approve your request.

You can also leave your PSN ID in the thread, saying you want to join, and we can invite you directly as well.

As always, have fun and enjoy your stay!

 
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Mattiful-Joe said:
All that talk about Switch carts potentially having about 10 or so years before having issues is the only bummer with Nintendo doing carts. Wouldn't mind if they go discs next generation, but that would kill backwards compatibility (unless Switch 2 can do both).

Not that blurays aren't impervious to issues, but if it's between carts and blurays for a particular game, I'll choose blurays every time. Of course, I also prefer that the PS/XB versions run a whole lot better (not a handheld gamer).
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I honestly didn't consider NS cart life, I would think they'd just last decades before any issues. But I am shocked BD discs are only like 20 years before degrading... DVDs and CDs were much longer I think.

 
Vinny said:
I honestly didn't consider NS cart life, I would think they'd just last decades before any issues. But I am shocked BD discs are only like 20 years before degrading... DVDs and CDs were much longer I think.
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Yeah, I hadn't thought much of it, either, until a few friends brought it up and showed me all the discussions about that. While I'm sure it varies based on storage conditions and how well one takes care of them, it does stink that cart lifespan is a real issue.

As for discs, I think there is a big difference between pressed discs and recordables. The 20 year lifespan is usually for recordables. I think there is a much longer lifespan for pressed discs (30-plus, with some estimating up to 100 yrs). Of course, the problem there is that we're all living in the test period so no way to know for sure.

Ultimately, all this is just a reminder that our collections are actually ephemeral, and could become literal paperweight as they sit unplayed in our "backlogs."

To me, it's one more push to why I open everything and try to play them!
 
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Services usually end up being a bad deal, eventually, it's just a question of how long is it good for.

I have Game Pass for another 16 months just from the gold conversion offers (so Ultimate was only around $50/year), but after that ends I didn't plan to resume it. I don't like being herded toward games, and that's the feeling services give me. Game pass is pretty good for kids though. They can easily jump into games their friends have without having to bug a parent to buy a game for them.

I want to pick a game, buy it, play it. Which, to the point above has its own issues. I've fallen victim to the appeal of hoarding things on sale, frequently out of fear or future delistings etc. But you do just end up with, more or less, a pile of (slowly) deteriorating plastic.

On the one hand, it's really nice to have such a huge stash when future games continue to be service-based or microtransaction hell, I have plenty of things to play instead. But stuff is a burden (unless collecting is a genuine hobby for you, then you're just investing time into hobbies- carry on, and have a good time). The promise of services is taking on that burden for you, but they end up being a burden themselves.

There are still plenty of great games coming out and upcoming, but it does feel like a shift to 'ugh' has slowly been occurring for sure. Could partially just be an aging generation - of course things will change and people (us) will miss what was.

Just wait until the gen where everyone plays Roblox starts predominantly making games. Giant numbers, pointless leaderboards, and scummy descriptions (oh, you bought that item with Robux I didn't clarify whether it was permanent or not and it only lasts 5 minutes, sucker haha), and of course inputting YouTube creator codes for items so they get their kickback. :oldman: Could be missing the mark on that one a bit, I'm just an observer sometimes for Roblox, I don't engage myself. So I also only see what the kid playing sees / the world they pick, etc.

 
I would love to order that Made in Abyss Collector's Edition PS4 from woot but I just know it will be shipped in a bag and arrive crushed.

 
I just noticed the Made in Abyss Collector's Edition PS4 was $40 this morning, now it's $35.  I guess I will order it and see what happens.

 
scorponok said:
I just noticed the Made in Abyss Collector's Edition PS4 was $40 this morning, now it's $35. I guess I will order it and see what happens.
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It's one of several listings with two versions at two different price points. The Switch version is $5 more. You have to click the dropdown menu.

 
Wonder how many people actually bought that SIFU Redemption set.

I will warn everyone, Yurukill is a terrible SHMUP and you'll spend 20 hours going through the visual novel aspect of the game unlocking the SHMUP portion.  Not sure the story behind it, but I'd guess they developed a bad shooter and decided to add a visual novel so it'd sell better.

Wonder Boy Collection at $15 for PS4 is a good deal, I was going to wait until BF for that pricepoint.

 
Nothing- said:
It's one of several listings with two versions at two different price points. The Switch version is $5 more. You have to click the dropdown menu.
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I am pretty sure the price has been dropping for that game since the sale started. It was $45/$50 when the sale started, then dropped to $40/$45, now it's $35/$40.

 
freshzen said:
I will warn everyone, Yurukill is a terrible SHMUP and you'll spend 20 hours going through the visual novel aspect of the game unlocking the SHMUP portion. Not sure the story behind it, but I'd guess they developed a bad shooter and decided to add a visual novel so it'd sell better.
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I haven't played Yurukill yet, but I only bought it because G.rev developed the shmup part. I loved Border Down and Under Defeat. Hopefully I get some enjoyment out of it.

 
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My experience with the woot sale items, good deals, but prepare for stuff to arrive beat up.  Everything I got came in Amazon boxes, but somehow even worse packing and condition than usual for Amazon.  Might just be coincidence.

 
Just a heads up people- Nights of Azure reprint preorders end tomorrow at VGP.

Xenogears said:
My experience with the woot sale items, good deals, but prepare for stuff to arrive beat up. Everything I got came in Amazon boxes, but somehow even worse packing and condition than usual for Amazon. Might just be coincidence.
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Same for me.

 
I can't decide which version of DIsgaea 6 to order for 20 bucks.  halp.

Normally, I'd buy the PS5 version for most games.  But I already have Disgaea #s 1, 4, and 5 in my PS4 physical library.   There's not a whole lot of info out there on if PS5 version is superior.  Yet the PS4 disc is supposed to give you a PS5 install on your machine!

Three of the games I have carted have multiple versions and I can't decide.  I previously -never- went for Swtich titles when there was a choice to get Playstation.  Due to performance, as well as not considering SE switch boxes to have much visual appeal.  But now I'm beginning to lean in the opposite direction.  Especially when it comes to buying games you likely might not play, and their future collectability.  It seems like Switch stuff will hold higher value and longterm desirability. How do you guys decide these things?

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right now it looks like this, and I keep going back and forth.  This never used to be a struggle.

 
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It also begs the question what kind of forward compatibility do we think Switch carts will have with the next system??

Nintendo typically doesn't let us carry our goods forward into the next gen.  That includes physical games and plastic accessories.  Even your digital libraries tend to be halted from machine-to-machine.  But it seems those philosophies and business operations might have turned a corner this gen.  The Switch also being the first all-encompassing device (handheld + big screen). wdyt?

People are already saying that the Switch successor is due to come out next year in 2024.  It's time to start thinking about this stuff. 

As much as I dislike Microsoft, the best thing they've ever done is Smart Delivery.  They've reset the market standard and expectations in the realm of future compatibility.  That's one of the best things that's ever happened to us as (multiplatform) consumers.  As we move to new series of hardware.

 
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Nintendo typically -never- lets us carry our goods forward into the next gen. That includes physical games and plastic accessories.
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Wii played Gamecube discs, Wii-U played Wii discs and used Wii controllers. 3DS played DS cartridges, etc.

As long as they stick with cartridges, I think they'll be compatible with their new system, and with how wildly successful the Switch has been, they'd be foolish to change.

 
gpn said:
Wii played Gamecube discs, Wii-U played Wii discs and used Wii controllers. 3DS played DS cartridges, etc.

As long as they stick with cartridges, I think they'll be compatible with their new system, and with how wildly successful the Switch has been, they'd be foolish to change.
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Expanding on this…

GB games were playable on GB, GBC, & GBA. GC we’re compatible with the majority of Wii including controllers and memory cards. Wii we’re compatible on wii-u and many digital games converted from wii to wii-U. Wii-U also had the gc controller converter as does the switch.

Ds compatible on DSi & 3DS with digital DSi games having many able to be converted to 3DS digital.

Given we are in the first gen of Switch, it seems like we have a good chance of everything (or most everything) moving forward. Especially if they stick with the same hybrid setup.

Edit forgot to add stuff like Super Gameboy, Gameboy Player, and GBA on DS/DS-lite.
 
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Xenogears said:
My experience with the woot sale items, good deals, but prepare for stuff to arrive beat up. Everything I got came in Amazon boxes, but somehow even worse packing and condition than usual for Amazon. Might just be coincidence.
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This was not my experience. I ordered 5 games across 2 orders from Woot. Everything arrived fine.

 
nightc1 said:
Given we are in the first gen of Switch, it seems like we have a good chance of everything (or most everything) moving forward. Especially if they stick with the same hybrid setup.

Edit forgot to add stuff like Super Gameboy, Gameboy Player, and GBA on DS/DS-lite.
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My money is on the next NS being full digital.

I'm also fairly confident that the PS6 and whatever MS releases (if anything) will also be full digital but those are prob further out.

 
Vinny said:
My money is on the next NS being full digital.

I'm also fairly confident that the PS6 and whatever MS releases (if anything) will also be full digital but those are prob further out.
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2028 - according to MS.

As for bc with Switch 2 (or whatever it's called), I think that's a safe bet. Even if Nintendo were to go disc or a different sized cart, I'd expect them to include a slot for the OG Switch. You don't abandon 100+ million users of possible software sales.

Don't be surprised, though, when Nintendo releases games that work on Switch and Switch 2 with performance variance. Nintendo's games have never been graphically intense so first party wise, shouldn't be a problem.
 
Modern Vintage Gamer has a good informational video about the technical challenges of backwards compatibility for the Switch, and possible solutions.

The conclusion is that it isn't a guarantee so it could be wishful thinking to just assume it'll be there, but there are ways it could be possible:

Every game includes a full driver stack and pre-compiled shaders for it. If you change the hardware, those are no longer compatible. As the video discusses later, there are some ways to address it but it's not "this was ARM+Nvidia, the next one is likely ARM+Nvidia, so it just works as is right?" It does not.

It won't surprise me if backwards compatibility is there (the curated patches approach he mentions seems the most likely to me as well), but I have a hard time imagining Nvidia putting in any of the hardware level customization work to make it seamless like Microsoft/Sony/AMD have done (nor can I really imagine Nintendo paying up for that work instead of just buying a more 'off the shelf', existing part. That would be some sticker shock too, with the curent Switch being an older gen more or less failed Tegra product Nvidia had warehouses of - side note, anyone remember those early Switch rumors about two processors and pin compatible x86/ARM 'Project Skybridge' designs from AMD? And 20nm products being canceled for yield concerns around the same time? https://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/anton-shilov/amd-officially-cancels-20nm-chips-takes-33-million-charge/ )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH03ht2fVqI

 
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ecwfan said:
This was not my experience. I ordered 5 games across 2 orders from Woot. Everything arrived fine.
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I ordered over 10 games from the current Woot! sale and they also came fine. Other than a couple floating discs (which I basically expect with any online retailer), everything was good.

 
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BoxPizzaBox said:
Modern Vintage Gamer has a good informational video about the technical challenges of backwards compatibility for the Switch, and possible solutions.

The conclusion is that it isn't a guarantee so it could be wishful thinking to just assume it'll be there, but there are ways it could be possible:

Every game includes a full driver stack and pre-compiled shaders for it. If you change the hardware, those are no longer compatible. As the video discusses later, there are some ways to address it but it's not "this was ARM+Nvidia, the next one is likely ARM+Nvidia, so it just works as is right?" It does not.

It won't surprise me if backwards compatibility is there (the curated patches approach he mentions seems the most likely to me as well), but I have a hard time imagining Nvidia putting in any of the hardware level customization work to make it seamless like Microsoft/Sony/AMD have done (nor can I really imagine Nintendo paying up for that work instead of just buying a more 'off the shelf', existing part. That would be some sticker shock too, with the curent Switch being an older gen more or less failed Tegra product Nvidia had warehouses of - side note, anyone remember those early Switch rumors about two processors and pin compatible x86/ARM 'Project Skybridge' designs from AMD? And 20nm products being canceled for yield concerns around the same time? https://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/anton-shilov/amd-officially-cancels-20nm-chips-takes-33-million-charge/ )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH03ht2fVqI
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Thought since the wii they just been strapping 1/2 - 1 GameCube on? Switch 2 should just be about 4 GameCubes now, so it should be fully backwards compatible. My Uncle that works at Nintendo is the one who straps them together to make the new systems.

 
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BoxPizzaBox said:
Modern Vintage Gamer has a good informational video about the technical challenges of backwards compatibility for the Switch, and possible solutions.
The conclusion is that it isn't a guarantee so it could be wishful thinking to just assume it'll be there, but there are ways it could be possible:

Every game includes a full driver stack and pre-compiled shaders for it. If you change the hardware, those are no longer compatible. As the video discusses later, there are some ways to address it but it's not "this was ARM+Nvidia, the next one is likely ARM+Nvidia, so it just works as is right?" It does not.

It won't surprise me if backwards compatibility is there (the curated patches approach he mentions seems the most likely to me as well), but I have a hard time imagining Nvidia putting in any of the hardware level customization work to make it seamless like Microsoft/Sony/AMD have done (nor can I really imagine Nintendo paying up for that work instead of just buying a more 'off the shelf', existing part. That would be some sticker shock too, with the curent Switch being an older gen more or less failed Tegra product Nvidia had warehouses of - side note, anyone remember those early Switch rumors about two processors and pin compatible x86/ARM 'Project Skybridge' designs from AMD? And 20nm products being canceled for yield concerns around the same time? https://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/anton-shilov/amd-officially-cancels-20nm-chips-takes-33-million-charge/ )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH03ht2fVqI
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Not making the Switch successor bc would be a perfectly Nintendo move, so I suppose it's possible.

Also, Nintendo has a history of botching successors to its best hardware (SNES to N64, Wii to Wii U, DS to 3DS) so certainly within reason that the next console could be a fisco.
 
blargh I forgot the copy of prelude to the fallen I own is the eu one I imported back when na copies were oop. So I went and bought the atuy dlc for it and can't use it since it's na regions dlc for an eu region game.  You'd think that the games dlc page wouldn't let you go to it when the disc is obviously not the same region. 

 
The PS4 versions will likely always be worth more since they work on two platforms and most get upgrades for free.

I still get PS4 copies of anything that gets a free upgrade because of that.
 
You can still redownload everything you’ve previously downloaded on most systems.  Would digital upgrades work the same, are they in download history?  I don’t like the all digital future’s long term prospects, but the more it is pushed and relied upon as the only option, the more it’s in companies interest to show they aren’t pulling the rug out from under us yet.  It seems like Sony has entered a period where PS5 on, the digital storefront should remain, and it doesn’t matter what happens to the PS4 servers in this case.  

 
shadowysea07 said:
blargh I forgot the copy of prelude to the fallen I own is the eu one I imported back when na copies were oop. So I went and bought the atuy dlc for it and can't use it since it's na regions dlc for an eu region game. You'd think that the games dlc page wouldn't let you go to it when the disc is obviously not the same region.
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Rough. I guess you could try to contact psn and just ask for a refund due to incompatible version. Though the one time I had to contact them with a weird situation like this, they took a long time to review it and ultimately said no.

Incidentally, I wanted a chill VN to play through on steam deck so I'm going through Deception again right now. Enjoying it but keep wondering why are they drinking such a ridiculous amount of tea. Looking forward to the physical release of Monochrome.

 
They drink a lot in these games that is for sure. 

It is my own fault so I'll just take the loss. maybe I'll go insane someday and buy the na version.

 
JAST USA has their Summer sale going on until July 9th. Their site is extremely NSFW and very Paypal friendly.

They also released the Onigokko! FanDisc which has a launch sale of 15% off. The original is great and is also on sale.

Shiravune released NUKITASHI on Steam and Johren with a 20% off launch sale. This game is HIGHLY censored on Steam without the patch.

Steam

Steam 18+ Patch

Johren

Anime-Expo is next week so expect me to post many announcements. Enjoy these two releases and My Little Sister's Special Place coming out tomorrow! This will have an 18+ patch on Denpasoft.

 
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Every game includes a full driver stack and pre-compiled shaders for it. If you change the hardware, those are no longer compatible.
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Just focusing on this one thing... they've already changed to an updated processor with slightly different specs. Some games I believe already have the code built in to go 4k and take advantage of better hardware. So I think it's plausible they are planning ahead. Maybe Switch Pro or Switch 2 or something along these lines. IF it doesn't have BC then it seems silly them developing games with the ability to adapt to better hardware. Also of course Nvidia will do custom work for Nintendo. They already have done that and it seems like that was a good money maker for all involved.

But it really depends on what they decide for the next system.

 
New chapter in the convoluted NISA store stuff:
I am now being required to re-submit an existing preorder on their new system.  Stock is cancelled if not done by 7/21.  Just a heads up.

Problem is, I still can't sign in past the day they previously said data migration would be completed (Friday last week).  Current banner on site says "Customer Account access emails will be sent once all preorder confirmation emails are delivered."  So am I supposed to make a new account or just wait?  Are my rewards points gone?

Yeesh, the NISA store used to be actually good.

 
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gospelman said:
New chapter in the convoluted NISA store stuff:
I am now being required to re-submit an existing preorder on their new system. Stock is cancelled if not done by 7/21. Just a heads up.

Problem is, I still can't sign in past the day they previously said data migration would be completed (Friday last week). Current banner on site says "Customer Account access emails will be sent once all preorder confirmation emails are delivered." So am I supposed to make a new account or just wait? Are my rewards points gone?

Yeesh, the NISA store used to be actually good.
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The NISA store was never good, the points system was bugged, you can never cancel / modify orders, if you want to change payment it becomes an entire fiasco.

It needed work, but even with the changed, it still needs work

 
gospelman said:
So am I supposed to make a new account or just wait?
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Reading the site, it seems like you wait for the email and they are sending them in order of release date. So, yeah, do nothing until that happens unless you already got the email and can't get it to work.

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Adding in, I can't sign in either. I only ever ordered one thing (I think) through them... that was La Mulana 1 & 2 for the switch as it was sold out everywhere else and prices were going up.

 
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Received my Made in Abyss Collector's Edition PS4 from woot today.  It was shipped in a bag, has small dents on the corners, looks like there are tears on 3 of the corners.  I guess it's good enough to keep since it was so cheap.  Amazon sure doesn't care about the condition of collector's editions.

 
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