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Continuing on, I’m convinced Doug is one of these sources. And even if he’s not, now more than ever I’d love to spend an evening buying him drinks to get his side of the story on LRG because the picture this video paints is perhaps the most damning against LRG I’ve seen to date.
 
the people posting in here are the ones supporting him.

It's just talk, talk, talk. mental gymnastics and alleged boycotting from the only people actually buying these games. I've washed my hands of it. You guys are the ones supporting him. It's not other people that need to be lectured. It doesn't really mean anything coming from the only people buying these games. Negative headlines are just more free advertising and marketing for LRG. If you want to do something then stop buying their products. completely. But you won't. Almost all other people know that LRG is bad news and is not a company they would ever support. They don't need to be told. That's you.
 
the people posting in here are the ones supporting him.

It's just talk, talk, talk. mental gymnastics and alleged boycotting from the only people actually buying these games. I've washed my hands of it. You guys are the ones supporting him. It's not other people that need to be lectured. It doesn't really mean anything coming from the only people buying these games. Negative headlines are just more free advertising and marketing for LRG. If you want to do something then stop buying their products. completely. But you won't. Almost all other people know that LRG is bad news and is not a company they would ever support. They don't need to be told. That's you.
You’re not wrong, but sometimes messages powerful enough will move opinions. Admittedly, while I haven’t made any preorders from them in quite some time, I just made some orders from them recently with the “vault” but after completing this video, I’m not sure I even want to do that anymore. Can I promise I will 100% boycott, probably not. But I will say that if I’m on the fence about an order going forward this, frankly damning video will certainly stick in my mind.

I finally completed the video and I’m 100% convinced Doug is a source or at the very least an undisclosed subject. There is a discussion about fabricated sexual relationship misconduct for departed employees at 1 hour 20 min that sounds eeeily similar to that oddball, unconfirmed story about Doug having an inappropriate relationship with a employee right after he departed.

True or false, I have no idea of a way to know for sure, it’s also entirely possible Doug did have an inappropriate relationship and he’s the source in this trying to discredit the allegations against him, I just don’t know. The rest of the allegations against Josh and LRG, will certainly carry weight in my memory going forward.

I also hope everyone watches this just to get a glimpse of how much someone can abuse existing legal and business entities to exploit for personal gain. The story being told is not inherently unique, it happens with business owners all the time.
 
I'm not familiar with that YouTube channel, so before I click a potentially click-bait video, does the author cite sources / show proof of the allegations?
I haven't watched it yet, but when I clicked through, it's from a channel I subscribe to. And I'm typically pretty picky when it comes to that stuff.

Its probably grain of salt, but what I'm reading doesn't strike me as startling revelations. More inline with expectations.

And for the record, I can't remember the last time I ordered something from LRG. And if I did, it was from the guy in Facebook who guys from their retail store. They don't get loans from me.
 
There's some new content in there about specific situations and a great deal of content that we knew from Doug's post/rant that was posted here. There was also that person who was fired that was interviewed who did a video detailing some things. When I mix in my own experience and the experiences others have posted here (like the dude that was furious about the Shiren PC switch from a disc to a redemption code and others experiences with customer service) it makes this all seem pretty believable to me. It also confirms that they knew about pretty much all the issues before the public figured them out. Kind of damning, but of course they knew.

Ultimately though, as a consumer, companies aren't all roses and sunshine behind closed doors... though I doubt most are this bad, I've seen plenty of odd behavior in private companies like this including personal cars becoming company owned. It's kind of sad to me that I figured Josh out with pretty much my first interaction with him. Dude went a bit off the rails at the slightest suggestion of changes to shipping material for PS4 loose disc issues .... and lightly stalked me here for a bit. Popping in threads where I posted and it seemed like trying hassle me so I'd leave CAG. Of course, it didn't work... I'm not a child, I was on CAG long before him... I'm still hear nearly 20 years after creating my account (which I had been visiting for a long time before creating an account) and he has f'd off. It's too bad Doug didn't catch on sooner and GTFO earlier. But hey, better late than never. Now, time to move on and let this stuff go. Sure, expose it, but let it go and live life happy not having to deal with it anymore. Best of luck to you dude with that other venture... hope you get some good games people actually want.

As for me shopping at LRG. My oppinion of the company was already about as low as could be which is why I rarely ever buy anything through them. Most of that was because of wrong versions of games getting published and the point of physical kind of losing weight when so many games needed patches and updates anyway. My last purchase was one of the yearly warehouse cleanouts and I knew the game was good and not going to be an issue. I'm planning to go digital with Switch 2 and that's my current plans for future gaming. On a bright note, Embracer Group (unless this changed) wasn't even able to get Swtich 2 dev kits because Nintendo seems to fear they will end up in studios that get shut down. So, if they can't Switch 2 kits... then this is probably the end of LRG for me anyway as I can't really think of any regualr Switch games I would be over the moon enough to look the other way and order directly.
 
Admittedly, the video does rely on confidential sources but the degree to which these allegations are made, if he doesn’t actually have sources for this, he’s going to absolutely be drown in defamation claims by LRG and Josh. Is it good reporting by a lesser-known YouTube channel, or complete fabrication, no way to know with 100% certainty. It is certainly presented in a more professional and organized manner than a number of “LRG Sucks” YouTube videos though.

Edit- I will say though, they cite to a number of publicly independent verifiable sources, such as public tax records, and PPP loans, for instance:

Guess what, despite them saying the pandemic helped them more than ever and hiring on 6 additional employees, they got about $390,000 in PPP loans forgiven…
They got called out on the PPP stuff awhile back but never said anything afaik. Their entire business type was basically unimpacted by covid besides delays, but considering they couldn't meet deadlines before it...... I would guess they used the loan to fund opening the retail spot / Josh's collection but I couldn't back that with card evidence other than the fact online sales were booming when people couldn't go to the stores and they were an online only venture
 
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The TL: DR; is that I have worked for toxic leaders like the claims levied against Josh with one exception, that there is no allegation that Josh has made threats of physical violence on subordinates. (Aren't I lucky?)

Otherwise, he's a toxic dudebro dude-broing up the company with sycophants who cannot actually perform their roles and acting like a teenager's idealized version of an alpha male (aka louder is more correct) within a professional setting.

The allegations further state that Josh's behavior extends beyond toxic workplace culture to seemingly outright fraud, potential embezzlement, and pretty much everything we levied against him storing "his collection" at work was bullcrap. More so, he used LRG funds to grow "his collection" and never really allowed anyone else to utilize it as an archive.

Oh, and that he might have laundered a property through sale to LRG, who rented it out to his defunct software company, who then collected rent again or some such. A big circlejerk of getting LRG to pay multiple times over for this old house while using proceeds to buy a bigger fancier.

And was knowingly committing customs fraud.

Also, that every "mistake" LRG made during the past several years was fully anticipated prior and either the toxic work culture ensured corrective actions did not occur prior to release or that Josh would say "who cares, no one actually opens/plays the games anyway." Even wanting to build schemes to sell more titles off that premise. Commentary states that Josh outright knew and/or encouraged he was building products for scalpers and not collectors after a certain point (undefined on when that was in the video).

I wouldn't call it "LRG sucks" in the traditional consumer stand point, more that it's pretty much awful to all parties involved except for a select few and is actively toxic in nearly every regard.

Yes, that's a TL: DR; for a 90~ minute video.

My take: I'd believe most of the video based on their products released, what is prioritized by the company, and the public evidence of Josh's behaviour. Didn't know about his other lackies that orbited him also being unqualified turds, but that's not really a surprise either.

Again, I've worked for a "Josh" with their own turds around them and know how absolutely fucking awful that is, more so when you actually believe in and want to accomplish the good work and not spend time on the bad stuff like cost cutting and hoping no one gets smart.

While I'm not going back to read years of conjecture on the inner working of LRG, I feel like I've got enough professional experience to say I pretty much called it that Josh was bad news and LRG could be run better by a bag of hammers.
 
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How Many People got in The First Wave of Orders on the Tuesday the 22nd at VGP for Lunar Remastered Collection on Switch or Ps4 ? I Mean Before it Switched Over to Pre-Orders ?

Cause it Was Remaining Inventory from Canada only Orders Being Sold to U.S. at 1p.m. and Then When That Sold Out Very Quickly it Changed over to Pre-orders & 6-8 Weeks Delivery Notice
 
My copy of Star Wars Bounty Hunter and Castlevania Dominus Collection for Xbox are being prepared for shipping. Finally!

Probably will order Gradius Origins Collection for Xbox tomorrow.
I don't feel like there is going to be another game I have a interest in adding coming anytime soon.

I watched a large portion of that video and it is what it is at this point. LRG isn't great company we all know that but I always get my standard releases in a pretty timely manner these days and if they are the only place to order a specific game I want to add to my collection I order it. I've been really into the Xbox releases as of late with them Soul Reaver Collection, Gradius, Star Wars Jedi Power Battles and the two shipping soon.

SLG is fucking terrible, First Press is a joke, Premium Edition also sucks. All these limited print companies have so many issues. New start up Rocket it games is also giving me delay notification for Volgarr the Viking 2.

I think the only one that seems decent still is Super Rare but I don't buy from them often due to cost and not really interested in many of the games they release. I was happy with my last purchase of Steamworld Build and I added Fight in Tight Spaces and Lil' Guardsman to my order. Everything arrived within three weeks and was packed well.
 
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If that's tariffs hit, most of these small houses are wrecked. I'd bet USA is their largest market outside of those that cater to EU customers (and even then, I bet they still rely on some US orders) and nerds aren't going to pay up to double the cost on standard editions.

And the ones filled with Chinese trinkets? Phew, lad.

Well, we'll see. If there's anyone who's totally equipped, it's that LRG CFO Brad and his buddy Josh, by the sounds of it.
 
I don't want to hear about "costs", "profits", price increases, tariffs, or "the company has to make money'.


Look at that warehouse. That is what you guys have helped build. On the games "they only make like five dollars," right?

This is what you've contributed to. CEO profits. He has no incentive to lower prices or operate better business practices. So we get $80 textbooks. ~$42 shipped indie titles with everything cool being locked behind $180 editions. This is the business that you guys support and that's why we get the service that we get. You guys choose it. Every time they get a contract it is a bane on that title's potential for a quality retail release.

All these different companies makin great games which respect the consumers time and money, but people choose to shop from LRG. Get ya own damn house in order.
 
I don't want to hear about "costs", "profits", price increases, tariffs, or "the company has to make money'.


Look at that warehouse. That is what you guys have helped build. On the games "they only make like five dollars," right?

This is what you've contributed to. CEO profits. He has no incentive to lower prices or operate better business practices. So we get $80 textbooks. ~$42 shipped indie titles with everything cool being locked behind $180 editions. This is the business that you guys support and that's why we get the service that we get. You guys choose it. Every time they get a contract it is a bane on that title's potential for a quality retail release.

All these different companies makin great games which respect the consumers time and money, but people choose to shop from LRG. Get ya own damn house in order.

For stuff not yet shipped and in country, it's going to happen regardless.


And whether you want to hear it or not, no one has 145% margins. They'll not ship at that point.

Now whether or not you can tell that from other delays is the better question.

And product on hand doesn't mean they're rolling in it. Full warehouses is actually a bad sign; you want to have as little inventory on hand as possible under current economic sensibilities. Given these are limited print stuff, they shouldn't be sitting on inventory, lol.
 
This is the business that you guys support and that's why we get the service that we get.

I think you overestimate the number of people left on CAG making any kind of regular orders on LRG. If the last few people who have outstanding orders never ordered another thing, there's not enough influence in the pool of shoppers left to actually force any changes at LRG. No point in shaming anyone at this late stage of the game. It's not the old days with a bunch of people talking every friday about the new drop of games and how they managed to get them all or most of them. The serious collectors are gone or just burned out from collecting. Additionally there hasn't realy been any kind of LRG defender here in a long time. You can pretty much talk as much trash about the company as you want and there's no blowback because the community kind of knows already.

LRG is a neccessary evil to get certain games physical. Some of this just would be digital only without this company. Even though I haven't ordered anything since last May's warehouse cleanout thing... I still check in just to keep informed of what LRG is getting because this really is all the effort I'm willing to put into it. Thank goodness we still have some folks willing to keep this thing going as well as some that will point out alternate sources for some of the best games so at least they don't have to go directly through LRG.
 
I believe that if the current batch of limited print companies failed, there may not be enough market interested in supporting a second batch.

Maybe I'm wrong, though. There's EastAsiaSoft from Play Asia and VGP might be able to branch out from reprints. I still think GameStop should have done physical publishing, which, yah know, would support their whole business strategy...

Hope everyone is well financially and not going to get dorked over by the coming economic turdfest.
 
I believe that if the current batch of limited print companies failed, there may not be enough market interested in supporting a second batch.

Maybe I'm wrong, though. There's EastAsiaSoft from Play Asia and VGP might be able to branch out from reprints. I still think GameStop should have done physical publishing, which, yah know, would support their whole business strategy...

Hope everyone is well financially and not going to get dorked over by the coming economic turdfest.
I think it's still sustainable but you've got to be honest with what your company is doing. Too many of the "boutique" ones were making expectations they couldn't meet, botching stuff, etc. I would be fine if VGP takes things on, they've been doing a good job with securing reprints on stuff that people thought were over valued
 
Funstock announced (they are out of the UK) that they are pausing US orders due to the tariffs. Granted they deal in Evercade only, but how many other "small" companies are going to have to follow suit?

I ordered from LRG (2 mystery PS5 boxes) and it was fun, didn't own either of the games (Haven and Cthulhu something or other, gave to son because I wasn't gonigt o play it). I do check in on the site, but with everything I read (here) I am cautious about ever ordering on a regular basis. They seem to be the GS of limited printed games.
 
They tried that already. Remember GameTrust? It's GameStop owned and they published Has-Been Heroes and Song of the Deep.
Yes, but it was half hearted.

If a much smaller VGP can get the reprints they are, GameStop, with an inflated meme stock war chest could totally blow away all of the competition.

They just tried with two very small titles and have up. Same with Impulse back in the day.

They over commit on their stupid ideas, like NFTs, and under commit on ones that actually support their core identity.

But I guess they're exactly where they are because of that.
 
Most of this whole segment of gaming is built on FOMO and the mindset of collecting. People buying up random stuff that is typically free with PS+ or hits sales in the under $10 category... it's not really sustainable forever. Too many people burned out of collecting. It reminds me of the Wii and how much garbage got published straight to the bargain bin. GS jumping in makes sense on the surface but they can't curate the right games and have lost the trust of the typical game buyer who values physical games in typical normal retail condition. The entire company needs revamped to be more buyer/collector friendly and their old practices need put to bed.

As much as I like VGP, I think the beauty they have right now is because they aren't self publishing anything, they can get into bed with any company to do a reprint without stepping on any toes. They get the best games from the limited print publishers while also still getting to get reprints from major companies not even LRG has managed to tap into.

Gamestop could do the VGP reprint game. They have dipped into that before. But then it's GS and they screw it up with converting reprints to used so they can jack up the price. GS, seems about as scummy as LRG.
 
They were likely making money too when they were reprinting stuff then selling it as used to cover up the fact they were reprints and skirting msrp by 60-80$ if not more.


It was extremely legally questionable business practices that got gs to where they are.

If they did reprints and did them properly with none of the usual bs they'd be able to make decent steady money and earn back good will.

They could also do stuff like gog just did and get pc ports of older games.
 
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They tried that already. Remember GameTrust? It's GameStop owned and they published Has-Been Heroes and Song of the Deep.
But who wants to buy a limited print, collectible game that's already opened and covered in stickers proclaiming it to be "NEW"? They have the reach to be an effective limited print publisher, but they really need to change their sales strategy to court collectors.
 
I ordered Gradius Origins Collection today for Xbox, Cover Gradius 3.
I have three open preorders now for Xbox standard releases with Gradius, Jedi Power Battles and Soul Reaver Collection.

Not much in their upcoming pipeline that I'm excited to add to the collection.
Would be happy if this is the end but there could be something that pulls me back in.
 
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