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MSUHitman said:
My Castlevania Requiem CE is in the mail locally for delivery today, and once that clears I have 8 remaining items (4 CE/Limited, 4 standard)

KOTOR 1 Master Edition Switch
American Hero PS5
Night Trap PS5 CE
Valis The Phantasm Soldier Collection 2 standard Switch
Shadowrun Trilogy PS5 CE
BloodShore PS4
NeoGeo Pocket Color 2 Selection CE Switch
Who Pressed Mute on Uncle Markus PS4
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Got another $5 off coupon in my Castlevania Requiem CE.
 
SeafoamGaming said:
It appears even if you deleted your address from LRG’s site completely, long ago and even had support help you change address, you can still get stuff sent there with their new shipping system:

https://www.reddit.com/r/limitedrun/comments/13qau87/shipped_to_older_address_deleted_from_my_profile/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1

Pretty abhorrent this has gone on for a month
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This has been going on quite a bit. Doug said before he left that it was because for some reason the shipping system was pulling billing addresses which are tied to the payment made at the time. So no amount of stuff the shopper can do will fix that. They really need to just stop doing anything until they fix all the current orders and cross reference order and account information even if they have to do it one at a time. Sending to the wrong address like that because of some technical issue is forgivable for like the first week (being generous) when you don't know it's happening, but not remotely acceptable after reports are coming in that there are issues.

 
https://twitter.com/claricedisc/status/1661683095874199552

Any batsugun fans will have to wait until LRG puts out physical stuff to get it digitally (outside of steam which is available now in the west)

Very *very* annoying to hold the digital ver hostage for a while like this
 
SeafoamGaming said:
https://twitter.com/claricedisc/status/1661683095874199552

Any batsugun fans will have to wait until LRG puts out physical stuff to get it digitally (outside of steam which is available now in the west)

Very *very* annoying to hold the digital ver hostage for a while like this
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You can also just import it. Play asia says it's in their warehouse for $30

https://www.play-asia.com/batsugun-saturn-tribute-boosted/13/70fzq7

It sounds like they just missed the release on the english/eu version for consoles. The pc version reviews suggest there are still bugs in that version. So, maybe they really are still fixing things. I have no dog in this show though, i don't know if there is anything to localize in these games that could have held things up (or broken something) or if the us/eu version will be identical to the japan version that PA says they have.

As for holding games until a physical is available, that's pretty much the vast majority of games that go to retail. Zelda TotK could have released digitally a couple months ago. I'm not as bothered by that... especially when a game goes to retail as I don't feel like I'm being penalized by wanting a physical version.

 
Also this:

https://twitter.com/THQNordic/status/1661660949361590278?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1661660949361590278%7Ctwgr%5E90301cce1d21f7ce4ccf1f71954e57d73802c4a3%7Ctwcon%5Es1_

 
Not sure if it was posted yet but Alien Isolation collection on Switch preorders launch tomorrow.

Probably the number one switch game I’ve wanted a physical version for so far.
 
WingsDJY said:
No Alan Wake 2 physical. Wonder if that's something LRG or another limited print publisher will be able to rectify in the future
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Would love to see someone like Fangamer, SLG, or IAm8Bit take it on. Think it might be too big for most of the others. If they went with LRG we wouldn't see it until 2025 and I would be suspicious of whatever extras they include.

On the note of LRG and Embracer, this doesn't really bode well: https://www.ft.com/content/d4452cb1-c046-4181-9e2c-f1e8e6373285

I don't think LRG's going to implode tomorrow or that they'd be first on the chopping block, but it does make me think that there are going to be cuts in Embracer's teams sooner rather than later.

 
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As long as LRG isn't the Ponzi scheme I think it might be (not literally, just that due to cost increases, they require the funds from new pre-orders to maintain operating revenue), they're likely insulated from the mothership regarding financials.

At least I would think so as they're all "in house" for their publishing.

Now if they needed Embracer bucks to stay cash flow positive before they dig out of their mountain of a backlog, that could be bad, but they could still get by...
 
It's tough to say how well LRG is doing in isolation for a number of reasons:

  • We don't really know what the margins are on their non-standard games.
  • We don't know how much they make from other channels like their distro line on Amazon, partnerships with sites like VGP, physical store, conventions, and so on.
  • It's unclear if operating overhead is scaling (i.e. they invested in new shipping tech but their shipping velocity doesn't seem to indicate an influx of new staff).
I've thought for a long time that they should be in a precarious financial position based on the sales numbers we do have access to via the site's Javascript, but since they're still trucking along they seem to be doing okay at worst. I have a hard time believing Embracer would scoop them up if things were dire, but based on the FT article Embracer may not have the best stewardship so I don't know if I'd die on that hill. Even if it is a Ponzi situation, something like Alien Isolation will keep them trucking along for a while.

As far as what Embracer does, my guess is that it will close/sell something off for the cash flow or tax write-off. But like I said, I don't think LRG would be at the top of that list. Volition would be my guess since it's got higher operating cost from headcount and was almost assuredly one of the key contributors to the "lacklustre reception for certain notable releases" line in the FT article. They have way too many subsidiaries for me to remember though, so it's possible another subsidiary is costing them more or performing worse.

 
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Why are so many people excited for Alien Isolation on switch?  It seems like a game that would be better suited for XB1 or PS4.  I know it came out on PS3 as well though, so maybe it will perform fine on Switch?

What am I missing?

 
Staind204 said:
Why are so many people excited for Alien Isolation on switch? It seems like a game that would be better suited for XB1 or PS4. I know it came out on PS3 as well though, so maybe it will perform fine on Switch?

What am I missing?
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The optimization for the Switch version actually had the result of it having better performance on Switch than the PS4 and Xb1 releases. Also, it’s Aliens, the fandom is is not huge like Star Wars/Trek but they are dedicated.

That having been said I was all ready to get classic or classic collectors edition but an extra $35 for a steelbook or $100 for that stuff is absolutely not worth it. Regular release will do just fine.
 
RedvsBlue said:
The optimization for the Switch version actually had the result of it having better performance on Switch than the PS4 and Xb1 releases. Also, it’s Aliens, the fandom is is not huge like Star Wars/Trek but they are dedicated.

That having been said I was all ready to get classic or classic collectors edition but an extra $35 for a steelbook or $100 for that stuff is absolutely not worth it. Regular release will do just fine.
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I like a good minimalistic design, but the steelbook for this isn't great in my opinion. I don't know. If Embracer is looking to make cuts, even if we speculate that LRG is fine, I might wait and only order when they do their in-stock "sales." I'm still waiting on NGPC Vol. 2 collectors!

 
RedvsBlue said:
The optimization for the Switch version actually had the result of it having better performance on Switch than the PS4 and Xb1 releases. Also, it’s Aliens, the fandom is is not huge like Star Wars/Trek but they are dedicated.

That having been said I was all ready to get classic or classic collectors edition but an extra $35 for a steelbook or $100 for that stuff is absolutely not worth it. Regular release will do just fine.
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But didn’t Alien get at least an XB1X patch, if not a full PS5/series X patch?
 
WingsDJY said:
No Alan Wake 2 physical. Wonder if that's something LRG or another limited print publisher will be able to rectify in the future
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Interesting how Alan Wake 2 gets all the press about this & yet Baldur’s Gate 3 is doing the same thing on PS5 6 weeks earlier & no one has said a thing.
 
Looking at the Embracer stock... I'd need to see more info on the company but I'm not at all concerned based on the last 5 years of data and looking over the past 5 days and today.  They had a mystery deal evaporate and the stock dropped back to what it was about 3.5 years ago.  I'd monitor it over the next week or two to see how it changes but I think they already hit bottom and starting to recover.  I'm not an investor, but if I were I'd be probably VERY interested in buying right now if I had confidence in their current financials (that is not being stretched too thin or reliant on taking loans to survive).  Buy low, sell high... and they are in that sweet spot where it has potential to make investors some good money.  But the key is letting it build back up and selling when it gets near it's historical high.  Not waiting and expecting the ride up to last forever.

If anyone wants to look at the stock history, Yahoo Finance is surprisingly a solid source (I say surprisingly as I forget Yahoo is still a thing).

https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/EMBRAC-B.ST/

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But let's say they don't recover, they (Embracer) still has a long way to fall (unless there is a debt situation where they are upside down right now and not generating enough revenue) before anything serious would happen to affect LRG.   LRG is pretty well structured from what we know about it.  As long as they aren't loaning the preorder money out and risking it to where they could lose it... and they aren't using it to pay current expenses ... they should be fine.  They generate revenue and have the division for porting and localizing classic games to what seems to be a pretty high standard.  That will eventually pay off if they get the right games.

 
MSUHitman said:
Interesting how Alan Wake 2 gets all the press about this & yet Baldur’s Gate 3 is doing the same thing on PS5 6 weeks earlier & no one has said a thing.
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I would think Baldur's Gate is more associated with PC, but as far as I can tell the publisher didn't say there was no physical release to keep the price lower. I think it's the reason given for Alan Wake 2 that people are upset and it's getting so much attention rather than it being just digital only (for the moment).

 
MSUHitman said:
But didn’t Alien get at least an XB1X patch, if not a full PS5/series X patch?
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Quick search shows me no PS5 patch and only a frame rate XSX patch so still around 1080p on Xbox. Though I find it hard to believe Switch is better.

 
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MSUHitman said:
Interesting how Alan Wake 2 gets all the press about this & yet Baldur’s Gate 3 is doing the same thing on PS5 6 weeks earlier & no one has said a thing.
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I imagine folks on these boards know well enough the direction of digital vs. physical (and the reasons motivating everyone - e.g., costs, control, convenience).

As such, this news is hardly noteworthy for us. These are just more steps/moments as the transition continues.

I think the debate about whether this gen is the last one with disc media is pretty much over.

Doesn't mean there won't ever be some specially curated publishers bringing discs to the market, but writing is on the wall on most publishers bothering with retail copies with their games.

You have to think devs and publishers are running the numbers, and the revenue gain in having retail copies is becoming smaller and smaller compared with selling digital, which cuts out all the production/middleman costs. At some point, it will stop making sense entirely.

Bad news for LRG and all physical media customers because it'll mean charging more for less to make the margins work.

Frankly, I've wondered if LRG's relentless release pace, rising prices, and preorder setup for practically everything are all signs that margins and the consumer base are getting smaller.

No sign any of these trajectories are reversing. If anything, the industry and new/upcoming customers groomed with digital indicate the transition is moving even faster.
 
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RedvsBlue said:
Don’t take my word for it, here’s Digital Foundry:

https://www.digitalfoundry.net/alien-isolation-switch-review-image-quality-is-better-than-ps4
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That's actually pretty damn impressive... seems like the NS version has a variable resolution between 504p to 720p vs the locked 1080p for the PS4 but in terms of image quality, they use a lot of fancy newer technology and some careful downgrades for the NS version to make it look as good as the PS4 release. NS release also seems to run just as well and has the advantage of no screen tearing vs PS4 which suffers from tearing issues. While it is an early PS4 release, it's also a fairly early NS release. This honestly just seems like a REALLY well done port.

 
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redrum666 said:
https://twitter.com/LimitedRunGames/status/1662850950300573703?s=20[/size]
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+ $5 for the cover, donation proceed is $5

Lol, and we still dont have a digital release for this game yet so we dont even know if the port will be up to par. Kinda wish they did something easier like merch shirts or a plush of that GDQ mascot
 
Yeah that's not cool. Then we as consumers might as well just donate in our own. At least we get the tax credit for the donation and not LRG.

It's like that sock company (mamba? I don't remember) that says they donate a pair for each pair of socks sold. Except they charge the customer for the donated pair. They don't just donate a pair for every purchase.
 
SeafoamGaming said:
Lol, and we still dont have a digital release for this game yet so we dont even know if the port will be up to par. Kinda wish they did something easier like merch shirts or a plush of that GDQ mascot
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After watching their thing covering the development of it, I think it’s a pretty safe bet that it’ll be a good port. My main issue was opting to play the original in emulation off a ds r4 cart on my new 3ds xl and finishing the whole thing in an evening. I saw most of what the game had to offer as I wasn’t speed running it. IMO, while it’s good for it’s time period released, it’s a big no for me as a physical purchase. I’d consider digital if it were out and under $5, but this is a game that doesn’t have much meat on its bones for all the hype.
 
HaloGX said:
I would think Baldur's Gate is more associated with PC, but as far as I can tell the publisher didn't say there was no physical release to keep the price lower. I think it's the reason given for Alan Wake 2 that people are upset and it's getting so much attention rather than it being just digital only (for the moment).
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We’re 3 months from release on Baldur’s Gate 3 & there are no physical PS5 copies available anywhere. Even the CE direct from Larian is a code in the box.
 
HaloGX said:
Yeah that's not cool. Then we as consumers might as well just donate in our own. At least we get the tax credit for the donation and not LRG.

It's like that sock company (mamba? I don't remember) that says they donate a pair for each pair of socks sold. Except they charge the customer for the donated pair. They don't just donate a pair for every purchase.
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Definitely shady, and maybe a bit scummy, but about what I would expect from LRG at this point.

 
Josef said:
Definitely shady, and maybe a bit scummy, but about what I would expect from LRG at this point.
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Perhaps, but it seems rather common. Grocery store asks if I want to donate $ to fight hunger, sports store asks if I want to donate $ to help needy kids get sports gear and so on.

 
HaloGX said:
Yeah that's not cool. Then we as consumers might as well just donate in our own. At least we get the tax credit for the donation and not LRG.

It's like that sock company (mamba? I don't remember) that says they donate a pair for each pair of socks sold. Except they charge the customer for the donated pair. They don't just donate a pair for every purchase.
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Bombas
 
n64ra said:
Perhaps, but it seems rather common. Grocery store asks if I want to donate $ to fight hunger, sports store asks if I want to donate $ to help needy kids get sports gear and so on.
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This is also shady, as companies have used checkout donations to fulfill previously-committed-to charity pledges. CVS got sued for it recently: https://www.yahoo.com/video/cvs-sued-using-customer-donations-165400166.html

I strongly recommend giving directly to charities, using sites like CharityWatch/CharityNavigator, and supporting local orgs for philanthropy. Companies are always acting in their self-interest, and rarely is that self-interest confined to positive publicity.

 
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Tothoro said:
This is also shady, as companies have used checkout donations to fulfill previously-committed-to charity pledges. CVS got sued for it recently: https://www.yahoo.com/video/cvs-sued-using-customer-donations-165400166.html

I strongly recommend giving directly to charities, using sites like CharityWatch/CharityNavigator, and supporting local orgs for philanthropy. Companies are always acting in their self-interest, and rarely is that self-interest confined to positive publicity.
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We donate via my husband’s workplace. Comes directly out of his paycheck and the company matches his donation. But the donation itself definitely is attributed to him because he gets a thank you letter from the organization we donate to yearly.

 
HaloGX said:
Yeah that's not cool. Then we as consumers might as well just donate in our own. At least we get the tax credit for the donation and not LRG.

It's like that sock company (mamba? I don't remember) that says they donate a pair for each pair of socks sold. Except they charge the customer for the donated pair. They don't just donate a pair for every purchase.
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Is this based on what that TikTok video said? Because that's simply not true. Stores do not get to claim the tax credit on donations they collect from you and pass on to charities, they can only claim a tax credit on what they themselves dominate. If you give LRG $1 as a donation to some charity then you get to claim that $1 credit on your taxes, not LRG. What does LRG get out of this? Free marketing. Now if you donate $1 and LRG matches with their own $1 donation, then they can claim their $1 donation tax credit.

 
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Vinny said:
Is this based on what that TikTok video said? Because that's simply not true. Stores do not get to claim the tax credit on donations they collect from you and pass on to charities, they can only claim a tax credit on what they themselves dominate. If you give LRG $1 as a donation to some charity then you get to claim that $1 credit on your taxes, not LRG. What does LRG get out of this? Free marketing. Now if you donate $1 and LRG matches with their own $1 donation, then they can claim their $1 donation tax credit.
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What's TikTok.

Unless LRG breaks down the receipt as $34.99 for the game and $5 for the donation, which I doubt, then how is the customer getting a tax credit for a donation? Also, right on the production page it says LRG will make the donation. The customer isn't actually giving a donation. The customer is spending $5 more for the fancy cover and LRG is doing the donating. So yeah, they're taking the $5 extra from the customer and LRG is getting credit for the donation.
 
HaloGX said:
What's TikTok.

Unless LRG breaks down the receipt as $34.99 for the game and $5 for the donation, which I doubt, then how is the customer getting a tax credit for a donation? Also, right on the production page it says LRG will make the donation. The customer isn't actually giving a donation. The customer is spending $5 more for the fancy cover and LRG is doing the donating. So yeah, they're taking the $5 extra from the customer and LRG is getting credit for the donation.
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While I believe what you are saying is factually correct, I think what Vinny is saying is you still can claim it. Which really you can claim whatever on your taxes and it just comes down to proving it later if audited. $5 isn't going to get an audit but if someone was worried I guess they print out the LRG listing and their receipt from the system to show they bought it and donated to that cause. It might or might not get past an auditor. But it shouldn't set off any red flags.

The problem for me on all of this (which I just mean donations in general, not LRG specific) is come tax time the donations don't really add up to much if any difference. Like tracking a bunch of stuff to watch my return go up by $25... isn't worth my time unless it's the super rare case where I'm under by $25 or something and a few donations will get me back to break even or a couple dollar return. But I like to keep things simple and most of the time turbotax (I use the regular cd version) will tell me to take the standard deduction as it provides the better return over itemizing.

 
nightc1 said:
While I believe what you are saying is factually correct, I think what Vinny is saying is you still can claim it. Which really you can claim whatever on your taxes and it just comes down to proving it later if audited. $5 isn't going to get an audit but if someone was worried I guess they print out the LRG listing and their receipt from the system to show they bought it and donated to that cause. It might or might not get past an auditor. But it shouldn't set off any red flags.

The problem for me on all of this (which I just mean donations in general, not LRG specific) is come tax time the donations don't really add up to much if any difference. Like tracking a bunch of stuff to watch my return go up by $25... isn't worth my time unless it's the super rare case where I'm under by $25 or something and a few donations will get me back to break even or a couple dollar return. But I like to keep things simple and most of the time turbotax (I use the regular cd version) will tell me to take the standard deduction as it provides the better return over itemizing.
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Ever since they raised the standard deduction a few years back, it doesn’t make sense for many people to itemize. We no longer do it. I still donate stuff but no longer get receipts since we’re getting nowhere near the $25,900 for a married couple.

 
nightc1 said:
While I believe what you are saying is factually correct, I think what Vinny is saying is you still can claim it. Which really you can claim whatever on your taxes and it just comes down to proving it later if audited. $5 isn't going to get an audit but if someone was worried I guess they print out the LRG listing and their receipt from the system to show they bought it and donated to that cause. It might or might not get past an auditor. But it shouldn't set off any red flags.

The problem for me on all of this (which I just mean donations in general, not LRG specific) is come tax time the donations don't really add up to much if any difference. Like tracking a bunch of stuff to watch my return go up by $25... isn't worth my time unless it's the super rare case where I'm under by $25 or something and a few donations will get me back to break even or a couple dollar return. But I like to keep things simple and most of the time turbotax (I use the regular cd version) will tell me to take the standard deduction as it provides the better return over itemizing.
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You're correct on all accounts. My overarching point was that LRG, like the sock company, are using what their customers are paying as donations (by charging the customers more) instead of donating from the money the company directly. These companies are basically taking the money from our hands and handing it to the charity's hand and saying they're donating their money, when they aren't. Which is really why it doesn't make sense for the customer to donate this way if they want to donate.

So, for example, if LRG said they're going to donate $5 for every foil cover they sell with the price still at $34.99, then LRG is donating that $5 they say they are donating. Instead, they raised the price $5 and are donating that raised price of $5. Same with Bambas. They aren't donating a pair of socks for each pair of socks. They're charging the customer for two pairs of socks, and donating that second pair while the customer only gets one pair of socks. Basically, they're having their cakes and eating them too. Except it's extra scummy because they're passing this off as donations to charity.

 
wow just got an email from LRG(curated for those who ordered certain games listed in the email) with status updates of games shipping soon. Im not sure if it was Doug who listened to me asking to get an email once a month on updates but im glad someone listened.

And yes, i know there is a status page on their site but these days its hard to expect every customer to go there every day and check the status of their game(s) when getting a email once a month with status update is way better method

:applause: Good job LRG!

 
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HaloGX said:
You're correct on all accounts. My overarching point was that LRG, like the sock company, are using what their customers are paying as donations (by charging the customers more) instead of donating from the money the company directly. These companies are basically taking the money from our hands and handing it to the charity's hand and saying they're donating their money, when they aren't. Which is really why it doesn't make sense for the customer to donate this way if they want to donate.

So, for example, if LRG said they're going to donate $5 for every foil cover they sell with the price still at $34.99, then LRG is donating that $5 they say they are donating. Instead, they raised the price $5 and are donating that raised price of $5. Same with Bambas. They aren't donating a pair of socks for each pair of socks. They're charging the customer for two pairs of socks, and donating that second pair while the customer only gets one pair of socks. Basically, they're having their cakes and eating them too. Except it's extra scummy because they're passing this off as donations to charity.
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This is how many niche retail companies handle charitable giving of this type. They create a more bespoke version of a product they already sell and increase the price and say that will donate a certain amount of the proceeds to charity. Premium Edition Games does the same thing with their Gamers4Gamers variants where they agree to donate 10% of the proceeds to charity. Mondo has done it with certain prints and vinyl over the years. Comic book publishers used to do various special covers for Comic Book Legal Defense Fund and other charities. The idea is that the customer is supporting the charity, not that the business is directly supporting the charity (although arguably there are costs to the business with setting up the sale, managing the donation, etc...). I doubt that LRG or any of these other companies is turning around and then attempting to claim a tax deduction here. It's simply a pass through transaction and as others have pointed out, if you really feel the need to take the $5 deduction, it's unlikely it will raise any flags with the IRS.

 
HaloGX said:
You're correct on all accounts. My overarching point was that LRG, like the sock company, are using what their customers are paying as donations (by charging the customers more) instead of donating from the money the company directly. These companies are basically taking the money from our hands and handing it to the charity's hand and saying they're donating their money, when they aren't. Which is really why it doesn't make sense for the customer to donate this way if they want to donate.

So, for example, if LRG said they're going to donate $5 for every foil cover they sell with the price still at $34.99, then LRG is donating that $5 they say they are donating. Instead, they raised the price $5 and are donating that raised price of $5. Same with Bambas. They aren't donating a pair of socks for each pair of socks. They're charging the customer for two pairs of socks, and donating that second pair while the customer only gets one pair of socks. Basically, they're having their cakes and eating them too. Except it's extra scummy because they're passing this off as donations to charity.
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Does Bombas give you the option of buying a pair of socks *without* also donating a pair of socks? If they aren't clearly upcharging for the donation, then I'm not sure you can lump them into the same boat as LRG here. We can all feel free to argue whether or not Bombas are worth $10+ (or whatever the current price is), but there are plenty of performance sock brands in the same price range

 
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