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[quote name='bvharris']Man, that is a good fucking question. I'm at a loss for how to interpret that, as we know the OVR can vary wildly depending on your scheme. Ideas?[/QUOTE]

use the real depth chart rating the one in the online part of the game with the head to head and team play stuff thats what I did for my trade.
 
[quote name='bvharris']I don't think it will process until we advance.



Man, that is a good fucking question. I'm at a loss for how to interpret that, as we know the OVR can vary wildly depending on your scheme. Ideas?[/QUOTE]

I think it should be based on what the value of the player is in the current scheme as far as core is involved. I say this because Rogers was an 88 and essentially what I am losing is an 88 ovr which is equal to 1 core player.

Or we could just raise trade minimum :roll:
 
And for the record, if it's truly against the rules then by all means I'm going to change the way I play (I immediately did so tonight). I really hope MA comes in here and weighs in on it because I had every intention of running the same exact 2 minute drill I ran against him in Week 3 in the preseason. Maybe he can explain it better than I can.

I can see how it may appear 'cheese' because apparently every time a QB runs a red flag goes up somewhere in America. But I still think it was fair game.
 
[quote name='Tanabeo']use the real depth chart rating the one in the online part of the game with the head to head and team play stuff thats what I did for my trade.[/QUOTE]

Nah, that won't work.

1) Those are already different rosters than the one we're using.
2) They're only going to get more different as they put out new rosters updates and our players advance.
 
The players being traded should have their trade cap value determined by the team they are being traded from. There is no way to know the guy would be more highly rated for the trading partner. The user makes his decision based on the players rating in his system
 
[quote name='Tanabeo']use the real depth chart rating the one in the online part of the game with the head to head and team play stuff thats what I did for my trade.[/QUOTE]


after progression and stuff that going to be different from our rosters. That could help now but be an issue after week 4
 
[quote name='RamesuThe1']Good Game uber.[/QUOTE]

Definitely. Back and forth. 6 point finish. The team down had the ball with 1:30-2 minutes left for a chance to win. Maybe too many picks on both sides, but other than that solid game. I just don't have a standard 2 minute drill down right now and not using it was my only complaint in an otherwise great game.
 
[quote name='Mr Grand Cru']I think it should be based on what the value of the player is in the current scheme as far as core is involved. I say this because Rogers was an 88 and essentially what I am losing is an 88 ovr which is equal to 1 core player.

Or we could just raise trade minimum :roll:[/QUOTE]

We've already said we might not even keep the trade cap in place beyond the first season if it turns out that the salary cap regulates things well enough. We decided to keep it in place initially in order to make sure things didn't get out of hand.

How about this: We determine what the most "generic" scheme setting for each position is ("balanced", for several positions as an example) and then use that as a baseline for giving each guy in the deal a core player number. We'll still use all the info to evaluate the trade itself, that will just give us a way to figure out how many core players the guy is worth.
 
Andddddd I'm about to spend more time talking about my Madden game tonight then time I actually spent playing it. Goodnight thread. Goodnight moon.

Goodnight Tebow.
 
[quote name='bvharris']We've already said we might not even keep the trade cap in place beyond the first season if it turns out that the salary cap regulates things well enough. We decided to keep it in place initially in order to make sure things didn't get out of hand.

How about this: We determine what the most "generic" scheme setting for each position is ("balanced", for several positions as an example) and then use that as a baseline for giving each guy in the deal a core player number. We'll still use all the info to evaluate the trade itself, that will just give us a way to figure out how many core players the guy is worth.[/QUOTE]

how do I see what it would be in balanced ?
 
[quote name='Mr Grand Cru']how do I see what it would be in balanced ?[/QUOTE]

Go to Strategy, and then schemes and you can change the scheme for each position, which will change the OVRs you see (both for your team and others).

I've actually found that one of the best additions to the game by far, since it allows you to set what you like every single position to do and better identify guys who will fit that scheme.
 
This is a tough question, we're going to have to think about it more.

Just as an example, Elvis Dumervil is a 91 OVR when you have his position scheme set to pass-rushing 4-3, but if you switch it to run-stopping 4-3 it goes to 75. There really are such wild variations in overall that it might not be worth it to continue doing things this way. I'll sleep on it.
 
[quote name='bvharris']Go to Strategy, and then schemes and you can change the scheme for each position, which will change the OVRs you see (both for your team and others).

I've actually found that one of the best additions to the game by far, since it allows you to set what you like every single position to do and better identify guys who will fit that scheme.[/QUOTE]


cool i will check it out in the AM, thanks . I am still for the trade either way ?
 
[quote name='Mr Grand Cru']cool i will check it out in the AM, thanks . I am still for the trade either way ?[/QUOTE]

We won't consider that either way when we review it tomorrow. Just on the merits of the deal.
 
[quote name='bvharris']This is a tough question, we're going to have to think about it more.

Just as an example, Elvis Dumervil is a 91 OVR when you have his position scheme set to pass-rushing 4-3, but if you switch it to run-stopping 4-3 it goes to 75. There really are such wild variations in overall that it might not be worth it to continue doing things this way. I'll sleep on it.[/QUOTE]

Have you looked to see if changing the scheme changes any of the new ratings? Like physicality, intangibles, or whatever? I may have to look into this some more.
 
[quote name='staticz']Have you looked to see if changing the scheme changes any of the new ratings? Like physicality, intangibles, or whatever? I may have to look into this some more.[/QUOTE]

Yes, I believe it does.
 
[quote name='staticz']Have you looked to see if changing the scheme changes any of the new ratings? Like physicality, intangibles, or whatever? I may have to look into this some more.[/QUOTE]

Just did my own test, if you change your scheme the following attributes will change -

Overall, Physical Grade, Intangibles. Durability, Size, Production. All other attributes stay the same. Off to research whether or not this will actually affect on the field performance. I'll update shortly.

EDIT: Looks like the new ratings are not indicative of on field performance with the exception of production which seems to correlate with what the player is doing on the field.
 
I don't believe it does, but I could be wrong. I think it's basically just saying "if you want this guy to do this specific thing for you, he's not going to do it very well."
 
[quote name='bvharris']I don't believe it does, but I could be wrong. I think it's basically just saying "if you want this guy to do this specific thing for you, he's not going to do it very well."[/QUOTE]

Pretty much what I found. It is a more in-depth version of overall and is basically useless except for one particular aspect of CCM ;)
 
i think there overall for ur scheme should be the factor in determining... i mean u just said dumerville is a 75 for u but a 91 for someone else.. if u traded him u shouldnt lose a 2 cores.... also im going to accept tanabos trafe offer if it doesnt work my plan is to have us both online to try amd see wat happens... of that dont work then what
 
[quote name='sprice8688']i think there overall for ur scheme should be the factor in determining... i mean u just said dumerville is a 75 for u but a 91 for someone else.. if u traded him u shouldnt lose a 2 cores[/QUOTE]

I think you misunderstood what I'm saying. He's both of those ratings for me. If you change your specific scheme for a position under the strategy tab, it will totally change the overall that you see. So I can make Dumervil be a 91, or a 75, just depending on what scheme I have active for his position at the time.
 
This is the only trade currently up for review:

[quote name='LVPatriots']Philly making another splash

Trade for Review

The 49ers send

CB Carlos Rodgers 4yrs/24 MIL - 3years remaining, 31 yrs, 91 ovr
RB Brandon Jacobs 1yr/1.5 Mil, 30 yrs 68 ovr (my depth chart)

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Eagles send

CB Dominique Rodgers Cromartie 1 year remaining at 5Mil, 26 yrs, 82 ovr

A 2013 3rd round draft pick.[/QUOTE]

Opinions? I still need to look deeper at the ratings before weighing in, though I don't really have a strong opinion on it either way. Seems like kind of a wash for both teams, which I guess would be the definition of a fair deal.
 
Opinions? I still need to look deeper at the ratings before weighing in, though I don't really have a strong opinion on it either way. Seems like kind of a wash for both teams, which I guess would be the definition of a fair deal.
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Looks fair to me.
 
Just a reminder to everyone, be sure when you make trades involving draft picks to actually trade the picks in-game as part of the deal. This is a (very welcome) change from last year when we had to do that manually.
 
[quote name='bvharris']Just a reminder to everyone, be sure when you make trades involving draft picks to actually trade the picks in-game as part of the deal. This is a (very welcome) change from last year when we had to do that manually.[/QUOTE]


Yea I was looking at that I love that feature , I heard you can move up on draft day will we need to have those last minute draft day trades approved ? I think moving up on draft day will add excitement.

On another note I noticed I have alot of picks this upcoming year , I got like two 4ths 5ths 6ths and 7ths so I will def combo these picks to a team that needs it more
 
Vikings big number jags little number
Fun game but I need to be much more careful with gabbert as he likes to throw to the other team. Can't wait to play doom in wk 2 can I keep him from scoring 100?
 
[quote name='theredworm']Vikings big number jags little number
Fun game but I need to be much more careful with gabbert as he likes to throw to the other team. Can't wait to play doom in wk 2 can I keep him from scoring 100?[/QUOTE]

Your play style is very similar to mine which helped me contain you a little after I realized it, it was a good game. Those picks really put the game out of reach for you. Trust me I know how it feels, Doom destroyed me a couple of days ago in the preseason.
 
[quote name='theredworm']Vikings big number jags little number
Fun game but I need to be much more careful with gabbert as he likes to throw to the other team. Can't wait to play doom in wk 2 can I keep him from scoring 100?[/QUOTE]

doubtful;-/ He put up 28 against me in the first quarter...It honestly felt like my dog was playing him... My hands were useless!
 
So SaintsRow messaged me last night saying he'd probably be away for the weekend. I asked if he'd be back Sunday and have yet to get a responce.

If he isn't back before the deadline on Sunday, what should I do?
 
[quote name='LVPatriots']So SaintsRow messaged me last night saying he'd probably be away for the weekend. I asked if he'd be back Sunday and have yet to get a responce.

If he isn't back before the deadline on Sunday, what should I do?[/QUOTE]

Can he not play tonight either? If it comes to that, we'll just put him on Auto and have you play the CPU.
 
[quote name='LVPatriots']Philly making another splash

Trade for Review

The 49ers send

CB Carlos Rodgers 4yrs/24 MIL - 3years remaining, 31 yrs, 91 ovr
RB Brandon Jacobs 1yr/1.5 Mil, 30 yrs 68 ovr (my depth chart)

-------

Eagles send

CB Dominique Rodgers Cromartie 1 year remaining at 5Mil, 26 yrs, 82 ovr

A 2013 3rd round draft pick.[/QUOTE]

Trade Approved.

We're still discussing what to do about the trade cap, hopefully we'll come to a consensus in the next day or so.
 
Remaining Games:

Cowboys at Giants
Colts at Bears
Patriots at Titans
Redskins at Saints
Eagles at Browns
Falcons at Chiefs
49ers at Packers
Seahawks at Cardinals
Panthers at Bucs
Chargers at Raiders
 
[quote name='Blade3D']Your play style is very similar to mine which helped me contain you a little after I realized it, it was a good game. Those picks really put the game out of reach for you. Trust me I know how it feels, Doom destroyed me a couple of days ago in the preseason.[/QUOTE]

But I play him twice a year in reg season.
 
[quote name='bvharris']Trade Approved.

We're still discussing what to do about the trade cap, hopefully we'll come to a consensus in the next day or so.[/QUOTE]


Cru, try and put it through before you play your game!

Eagles looking a lot older and wiser!
 
[quote name='bvharris']Can he not play tonight either? If it comes to that, we'll just put him on Auto and have you play the CPU.[/QUOTE]


I'll pm him today and continue to pm over the weekend until i hear something. I'll post Sunday if there is no progress and I need it on Auto-Pilot. Hopefully it doesn't come to that.


Edit: Should be played tomorrow morning or start around 4pm Pacific on Sunday
 
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Why do I feel like this madden I'm just trying to make deals and dont care about if I win or lose I want next year were I can be the gm of a team and red worm can be my coach and play the games
 
[quote name='Tanabeo']Why do I feel like this madden I'm just trying to make deals and dont care about if I win or lose I want next year were I can be the gm of a team and red worm can be my coach and play the games[/QUOTE]

Lol not sure you want me to coach
 
[quote name='Man2008']Neworlnbush25 is ducking this L !!!!![/QUOTE]

You posted in Wisconsin deals looking for him lol
[quote name='Man2008']@ neworlbush25 where u at I'm online[/QUOTE]
 
[quote name='theredworm']Lol not sure you want me to coach[/QUOTE]

people would good make a new league because we would go 19-0 every year
 
[quote name='Mr Grand Cru']Yea I was looking at that I love that feature , I heard you can move up on draft day will we need to have those last minute draft day trades approved ? I think moving up on draft day will add excitement.[/QUOTE]

I think everyone only gets 5 minutes to make a pick. It is nearly impossible to look at your roster and compare it to someone else's roster and offer the trade all before the clock expires.

I guess you could try and make a deal work for a pick that is 20 picks down the line, but then you are still at the mercy of how fast everyone else picks. Not to mention trying to maintain contact with that person if they aren't in an xbox live party with you.

I'd suggest trying to make any draft trades before the draft actually starts just to save yourself the pain.
 
[quote name='Man2008']Yea I taught we were goin to play last nite but he was offline 2 hrs prior[/QUOTE]

So you look for him in Wisconsin deals thread?
 
[quote name='JoelyPoley']I think everyone only gets 5 minutes to make a pick. It is nearly impossible to look at your roster and compare it to someone else's roster and offer the trade all before the clock expires.

I guess you could try and make a deal work for a pick that is 20 picks down the line, but then you are still at the mercy of how fast everyone else picks. Not to mention trying to maintain contact with that person if they aren't in an xbox live party with you.

I'd suggest trying to make any draft trades before the draft actually starts just to save yourself the pain.[/QUOTE]

If I remember correctly, you get 90 seconds but the commish can pause the draft.
 
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