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I thought the initial deal was for two fights. I wonder what changed to make them decide all they would show was the title fight. If that was a FOX decision, it was retarded. If that fight had been the last of 5 fights, it would have been amazing. But even as a hardcore fan of the sport, I don't even want to watch another event in that format.
 
Yeah, I have no idea why they would only show one fight and a Heavyweight fight at that. Those almost never last all 3 rounds. The Clay vs Bendo was easily fight of the night and would have been a great addition to the FOX special. The UFC is going to need to put another FOX special up fast if they want some new fans.
 
I"m kinda hoping that Overeem wins because that could be an epic battle of standup. Also, I am surprised Cain didn't go for a takedown quicker in the fight, but JDS's boxing is very good so it would be tough to get setup.
 
Happy to see JDS win,not that I hate Cain or anything just seemed like everyone and most of the media had been picking Cain to win this fight leading up to it and just feels nice to pick an underdog and have him win.

Went 8-2 in overall picks tonight so that was pretty great.Surprised Bruce Leroy won and he showed some good improvement.Bruce Leroy made his 135 debut and looked great.Like even on the ground had two triangles, an armbar, an omaplata all in less then a min or so.I probably still wouldn't pick him against a submission specialist, but he still impressed me.I was impressed by Paul Bradley too, he did better then I thought he would.

Not sure whats up with Kid Yamamoto, hes 1-4 in his last five and I imagine the UFC will keep him and put him on the Japan card, but if he loses that I would think hes gone.Peralta had a pretty nice headbutt tko/ko like victory lol.
 
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I do have to say, of all the things that I disliked about this Fox show, the one thing they really got right was having Big John as the ref. It was really fitting to see him in there on the 18th anniversary of UFC 1, for such an historic event. Hearing "Let's get it on!" to start the title fight just felt right...like everything had come full circle.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']Ehh...that's what happens when your fights aren't scripted. I understand why they wanted to spend time introducing the fighters and "teaching" new viewers about the sport, but it wasn't an accurate depiction of a UFC event and probably isn't going to convince people to spend $40 on a PPV. You don't pay $40 for one fight. You don't spend 30 minutes watching interviews. I'm a little worried how this is going to be received by the general public. They probably would have been better off just doing a regular card and trusting in their product to sell itself.[/QUOTE]
The fucking football music and shitty commentators was horrible. Let Rogan talk he knows more shit than fucking jay glazer and that fat black dude.
 
[quote name='GUNNM']The fucking football music and shitty commentators was horrible. Let Rogan talk he knows more shit than fucking jay glazer and that fat black dude.[/QUOTE]

Jay Glazer is a big MMA guy. He trains with a ton of high profile athletes that are in the ufc or other sports. Just because he works for a company that just acquired the rights doesn't mean he walked into commenting on something he knows nothing about. And the football music isn't football music but rather the FOX sports theme music.
 
Welp, after watching that horrible decision for Pac/Marquez 3. I feel slightly better about the 1 minute KO of Cain. At least we know it wasn't rigged like that decision was -_-
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']Jay Glazer is a big MMA guy. He trains with a ton of high profile athletes that are in the ufc or other sports. Just because he works for a company that just acquired the rights doesn't mean he walked into commenting on something he knows nothing about. And the football music isn't football music but rather the FOX sports theme music.[/QUOTE]
I know he's a ''big mma guy''. He used to host that pride show with Trigg but I still think rogan knows more than him.
 
There was only 1 fight because FOX knew they'd be competing with the Pac/JMM fight, which was a snoozer. I was shocked that Cain abandoned the takedown game to try and slug it out with a slugger.

The timing ended fine to see a boring undercard between 28-0 Timothy Bradley (age 28) and Cassamayor(age 40); Bradley should have fought Amir Khan.... JMM had a great fight against Pacman with the exception for easing up in the 12th; if not for that, he would have won; in combat sports you have to take the belt from the champion not coast to victory in a close fight.

Mayweather vs Pacquaio should happen now that Pacman has been exposed to be weak against a counter-puncher. JMM was blown out by Floyd, so Manny is in trouble if the fight happens. Further I was disapointed to see Pacman look so weak in a fight that was soo hyped.
 
Maybe he means the undercard on Fuel? From what I've been reading Velasquez/Dos Santos was a "bonus" event for the Fox/UFC deal. Fox has stated that the official 7 year contract doesn't start until January and those cards will consist of 2-3 fights in a 90 minute time slot. The claim is that Fox wasn't worried about the numbers this one would do because they just wanted to introduce the UFC to everyone. Seems a little odd to me because you'd think they'd still want to make a big first impression, but whatever. There was nothing wrong with the fight itself, and it would have been a great main event if the other fights had been seen as well. I just hope they let the sport speak for itself next time instead of trying to baby everybody with all the "heart-warming" promos.
 
[quote name='seen']Do you get a different Fox channel then me? All I saw was Cain vs Junior.[/QUOTE]
The undercard was streaming on facebook and foxsports.com.They ususally do on facebook for most cards so might be worth a look into if ya wanna see some of the prelims.
 
This is why I love the UFC, some times a fight can last 25 minutes and others 25 seconds.

Congrats to El Cigano JDS!

Cain is still a very very very bad man, but he just got caught like all fighters do eventually. He'll be back and better than ever.

They should have aired the Bendo Guida fight also on Fox, I'm sure that would have sent ratings through the roof!
 
[quote name='seen']Do you get a different Fox channel then me? All I saw was Cain vs Junior.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='Magiblaze']The undercard was streaming on facebook and foxsports.com.They ususally do on facebook for most cards so might be worth a look into if ya wanna see some of the prelims.[/QUOTE]

Yep. Saw all fights on Facebook.
 
from what ive read the format for the show wont be repeated. it was designed as a single fight intro to the UFC. i saw somwehere tat future fox ufc events would show 3 fights live.
 
Cain's injury going into the fight was not cool at all. Cost him a whooole lot just to cover up his injury. Dos Santos was injured as well, but Cain didn't have the ability to just one-punch his opponent as JDS clearly did, even when injured.

Bendo was fantastic though, the guy is just that good. Fight with Edgar will be super good without a doubt.
 
I don't think the shoulder had anything to do with it.He said himself it didn't and I'm likely to believe him and his teammates saying it was fine.I was thinking JDS would get a tko/ko in the second round but didn't expect it so soon.JDS has excellent takedown defense as shown in the Carwin fight and in the takedown Cain tried,just became a matter of who was the better striker and clipping anyone behind the ear like that can really make them lose their center of balance and JDS ran right in to finish him off KOing him out there for a moment until being woke up with some more punches.

Bendo vs. Guida was pretty great.I thought Bendo would be able to submit Guida but just didn't turn out that way although a lot of close submission attempts at times.The fight with Edgar seems like a good way but I'll be leaning towards Edgar.
 
[quote name='Magiblaze']I don't think the shoulder had anything to do with it.He said himself it didn't and I'm likely to believe him and his teammates saying it was fine.I was thinking JDS would get a tko/ko in the second round but didn't expect it so soon.JDS has excellent takedown defense as shown in the Carwin fight and in the takedown Cain tried,just became a matter of who was the better striker and clipping anyone behind the ear like that can really make them lose their center of balance and JDS ran right in to finish him off KOing him out there for a moment until being woke up with some more punches.

Bendo vs. Guida was pretty great.I thought Bendo would be able to submit Guida but just didn't turn out that way although a lot of close submission attempts at times.The fight with Edgar seems like a good way but I'll be leaning towards Edgar.[/QUOTE]

Not the shoulder, Cain came into the fight with an injured knee and had to get cortizone shots right before the fight.
 
I hadn't heard too much about it until today hearing about Joe Rogan say they were rumblings about it and Cain's camp denying it.JDS was supposedly on crutches for a time leading up to the fight.Sounded like bad injuries for both if Cain was indeed hurt but overall kinda happy neither man pulled out despite being hurt.
 
[quote name='Magiblaze']I hadn't heard too much about it until today hearing about Joe Rogan say they were rumblings about it and Cain's camp denying it.JDS was supposedly on crutches for a time leading up to the fight.Sounded like bad injuries for both if Cain was indeed hurt but overall kinda happy neither man pulled out despite being hurt.[/QUOTE]

I'm not, I think it could have skewed the outcome of the fight. Cain couldn't even barely move, he came into the fight with the slowest foot movement I've seen from him, and his "attempt" at the takedown when he grabbed Dos Santos' leg was pathetic and IMO evidence of Cain's injury.
 
[quote name='Thekrakrabbit']I'm not, I think it could have skewed the outcome of the fight. Cain couldn't even barely move, he came into the fight with the slowest foot movement I've seen from him, and his "attempt" at the takedown when he grabbed Dos Santos' leg was pathetic and IMO evidence of Cain's injury.[/QUOTE]

Say what you want, but he still got caught. It happens to the best of them. Yeah, with a healthy knee, he "could've" shot better. But we don't know that Junior wouldn't have just stuffed it anyway. No fighter is ever 100% healthy going into a fight.

Honestly, I'm glad Junior won. If the UFC can get an Ali/Frazier type of rivalry going between Cain and Junior, where they're both THAT good and can beat each other on any given day, it will only be good for the sport. And they're both young enough to make it happen. Lesnar can puff out his chest and talk big, but next to those two guys, he's a non-factor.
 
The fight reminded me of Rahman vs Lewis 1 except much shorter. One punch in the heavyweight division can change a fight; I expect Cain to get his revenge.

Btw, back to boxing, I'm not surprised Arum is trying to have 4th match between Pacman and JMM since they are both Top Rank fighters. Based on their fight last weekend, if Pacman were to fight Mayweather next, he'd get picked apart (I'm not a PBF fan either).

This should be a great fight (boxing), if anyone of you caught the first fight between Cotto and Margarito.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imyMWSU_AYI
 
If Mayweather and Pacman fight that would be the end of the hype train behind Pac. If I was JMM I wouldn't even want to fight Pac anymore. How the fuck did one of the judges score that 116 112? The 115 113 was a little more believable.

Anyway, almost 90% of the people I know keep saying that Mayweather is scared to fight Pac and that he would lose. Bob Arum is the only reason the fight has not happened and it's pretty obvious that Mayweather is the bigger draw. I want it to happen already so I can cash in on all these fools ;)
 
UFC 139: Shogun Vs. Hendo this Saturday!!!!

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Location: San Jose, California
Venue: HP Pavilion
Broadcast: Pay-per-view, Spike TV and Facebook

MAIN CARD (Pay-per-view)
Dan Henderson vs. Mauricio "Shogun" Rua
Cung Le vs. Wanderlei Silva
Brian Bowles vs. Urijah Faber
Martin Kampmann vs. Rick Story
Stephan Bonnar vs. Kyle Kingsbury

PRELIMINARY CARD (Spike TV)
Ryan Bader vs. Jason Brilz
Michael McDonald vs. Alex Soto

PRELIMINARY CARD (Facebook)
Tom Lawlor vs. Chris Weidman
Nick Pace vs. Miguel Torres
Rafael dos Anjos vs. Gleison Tibau
Seth Baczynski vs. Matt Brown
Shamar Bailey vs. Danny Castillo

I'm absolutely in love with Shogun (my favorite fighter) so I can't wait for this fight. Its going to be an all out war. Henderson is a very dangerous guy who has knock out power and some pretty good wrestling. I expect Hendo to utilize his wrestling because Shogun's TDD isn't the best, but if he decides he wants to bang with Shogun then I expect someones getting knocked out.
 
Looks like a decent card. Hopefully Faber loses. I used to like him ways back when, but seems he has just gotten progressively cocky over the years and refuses to admit defeat every time he loses -_-

Shogun and Hendo should be good also. Rooting for Shogun
 
[quote name='bigpimpin24']Looks like a decent card. Hopefully Faber loses. I used to like him ways back when, but seems he has just gotten progressively cocky over the years and refuses to admit defeat every time he loses -_-

Shogun and Hendo should be good also. Rooting for Shogun[/QUOTE]

Yeah Faber has really become very cocky over the last couple of years. No way I see him ever becoming champion again as long as Dominick Cruz or Jose Aldo are champs.

I also hate the fact that because of his popularity, Faber seems to get a title shot only after 1 or 2 fights. He lost his WEC Featherweight title to Mike Brown, then beat Jens Pulver, and then got an immediate title shot with Mike Brown (which he lost). Then after that loss he beats Raphael Assuncao and then gets another title shot against Jose Aldo and losses. Then after that loss he beats Mizugaki and Wineland and gets another title shot against Dominick Cruz. In a 7-fight span he got 3 title shots? What the fuck
 
[quote name='Metal Militia']Yeah Faber has really become very cocky over the last couple of years. No way I see him ever becoming champion again as long as Dominick Cruz or Jose Aldo are champs.

I also hate the fact that because of his popularity, Faber seems to get a title shot only after 1 or 2 fights. He lost his WEC Featherweight title to Mike Brown, then beat Jens Pulver, and then got an immediate title shot with Mike Brown (which he lost). Then after that loss he beats Raphael Assuncao and then gets another title shot against Jose Aldo and losses. Then after that loss he beats Mizugaki and Wineland and gets another title shot against Dominick Cruz. In a 7-fight span he got 3 title shots? What the fuck[/QUOTE]

Tell me about it. It is ridiculous. For a while I wanted to see Faber vs Torres but Torres just hasn't been the same fighter ever since his loss to Brian Bowles/Joseph Benavidez. Faber's good but like you said, I don't see him coming close to Cruz or Aldo. I used to like him a lot back then but man he's just a sore loser these days. Can't believe he actually thought he won against Cruz.

*EDIT* Just found out Nick Diaz and GSP are supposed to fight in February. Haha, man I really need to start keeping up with this stuff.
 
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[quote name='Thekrakrabbit']People can root for Bowles, but he will not win. Bowles is a mid-level guy, Faber is elite...different classes.[/QUOTE]

severely underrating bowles by calling him mid-level.
 
[quote name='Thekrakrabbit']People can root for Bowles, but he will not win. Bowles is a mid-level guy, Faber is elite...different classes.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't call him a mid level guy,hes on the top level there,but that being said I am leaning towards Faber taking a decision in this fight.
 
[quote name='paz9x']severely underrating bowles by calling him mid-level.[/QUOTE]

He can't beat Cruz, Faber, Benavidez, Johnson and 7 times out of 10 he gets outgrappled by Torres and subbed. Even now, I think Torres would kill him by actually fighting smart and using reach.

Bowles is a wild striker with mediocre power and a decent, at best, ground game. Not elite by any means. I say he's just outside the top 5, but considering the division is really not that hot right now, that doesn't say too much.

IMO Cruz, Benavidez, Faber, Johnson, Torres are Top 5, in that order. Barao near the same ranking Bowles would be.
 
Thats kinda a harsh unfair opinion of his skills.I'd throw him inside of the top 5.Hes beaten everyone hes faced so far with the exception of Cruz and that was a fight where he broke his hand on the first punch.I've always considered him similar to Faber just being more of a finisher and a bit more speed.
 
[quote name='Magiblaze']Thats kinda a harsh unfair opinion of his skills.I'd throw him inside of the top 5.Hes beaten everyone hes faced so far with the exception of Cruz and that was a fight where he broke his hand on the first punch.I've always considered him similar to Faber just being more of a finisher and a bit more speed.[/QUOTE]

More speed? Then Urijah? Listen, I'm not a big fan of Faber (before somebody starts calling me one), but Faber is going to pretty easily dominate this fight IMO.

I COULD be wrong, but I feel Faber is superior in every area. Bowles will not stop him, cannot submit him and on those notes probably won't be able to outstrike Faber, and cannot outgrapple him.
 
[quote name='Maklershed']Just saw that UFC 139 is gonna be free for xbla dashboard beta members. Just a heads up in case someone in here is a tester.[/QUOTE]

Wow thats pretty sweet, sort of wish I'd signed up now but I'm dreading that damn ad-ridden dashboard.
 
[quote name='Thekrakrabbit']More speed? Then Urijah? Listen, I'm not a big fan of Faber (before somebody starts calling me one), but Faber is going to pretty easily dominate this fight IMO.

I COULD be wrong, but I feel Faber is superior in every area. Bowles will not stop him, cannot submit him and on those notes probably won't be able to outstrike Faber, and cannot outgrapple him.[/QUOTE]

faber is faster, literally no argument can be made otherwise imo. i think faber wins, but it will be competitive.
bowles is a good fighter, well rounded, has very good power for that division, good size. hes in the upper echelon.
 
UFC 143 is looking to shape up to be a pretty good card.You have the GSP/Diaz fight that everyone wants to see along with Carlos Condit against Koshceck.I love Condit but man thats a horrible match up for him, but if he does pull off the win that'll be pretty impressive.If I was his management I'd try to get the bout like on a different card as the main event instead if possible so it'll be 5 rounds.

http://www.411mania.com/MMA/news/211246#Erik Koch vs. Dustin Poirier is another great bout too, really the two best up and coming featherweights meeting here for a clash.You'd think they would have them go different routes so they could build both guys up for a title shot but oh well.
 
[quote name='paz9x']faber is faster, literally no argument can be made otherwise imo. i think faber wins, but it will be competitive.
bowles is a good fighter, well rounded, has very good power for that division, good size. hes in the upper echelon.[/QUOTE]

Power will not be a factor for Bowles in this fight...since when is Bowles the Paul Daley is the bantamweight division? He has THREE KO'S! Not to mention Faber's durability.
 
I wouldn't call him the Paul Daley of the division but he does have some power in those hands.Still I'd expect Faber to beat him and earn a decision.Faber is a tough guy but he can still be finished and records can be a little deceiving at times.Like just for an example a guy like Donald Cerrone, pretty great stand up and can deliver some real painful shots but hes only got one tko/ko listed on his record.
 
[quote name='Thekrakrabbit']Power will not be a factor for Bowles in this fight...since when is Bowles the Paul Daley is the bantamweight division? He has THREE KO'S! Not to mention Faber's durability.[/QUOTE]

you said it genius. Have you seen his fights? or did you just look up the fight finder to list his ko's? he has good power, i dont consider it subjective. I didnt say he was going to ko faber. could he? yep. hes a good fighter. you said hes a mid level fighter, i disagreed.
 
Settle down guys its starting to sound like the UG in here. lol Just kidding they can get a hundred times worse. I also would have to go with Faber but it could get interesting, I like the lighter weight classes because they just go hard the whole time, I hate when heavyweights go deep into a fight all gassed out, could you imagine if the Brock/Overeem fight goes into the 5th?
 
Ronda Rousey is a beast. R.I.P. Julia Budd's arm.

Dominick Cruz-Ronda Rousey for UFC on FOX 2, plz.
 
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