Nintendo 3DS - General Discussion Thread

Cap'n_RDM;8304186 said:
I personally am hoping that down the line, they release a 3Dless version of the 3DS. I know it sounds stupid but as a parent I won't buy this for my children (6 & 8) even with the slider. It would be impossible for me to constantly monitor their DS time to ensure that they leave the 3D off. While they are good kids, I know they would be tempted...hell I would be tempted myself. I don't think enough is known yet about the potential effect this could have on our eyes so can't risk it plain and simple. I've gotta take a better safe than sorry approach on this one until more research is available and I personally have more time to read it.
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Purely speculation on my part, but if there becomes enough of a stink about it, I could see a future firmware update making the slider a dimmer control or just disable it all together. Nintendo seems to like giving parents control over such things.
 
Cap'n_RDM;8304186]I personally am hoping that down the line said:
I hope they release a 3Dless version too, but for myself!

It supposedly has a parental lock though where you can lock out the "3D". The screen doesn't look normal even with it off though (since it's not) so who knows if it's safe at that point.

I don't think enough is known yet about the potential effect this could have on our eyes so can't risk it plain and simple. I've gotta take a better safe than sorry approach on this one until more research is available and I personally have more time to read it.
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Yeah, I don't know why people think "getting used to it" sounds like an okay thing. I doubt that can even happen, but I don't WANT it to as it means my vision's being altered for how I see...everything else there is.

After Avatar, there was no way I'd ever take that risk again. I mean maybe I could watch as many "3D" movies as I want and my vision would always eventually bounce back to normal after 18 hours or whatever, but maybe not.
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Yup. From the sweet spot each eye sees one image and the brain combines just like in real life.

3D worked perfectly for me without the need of crossing, blurring, focusing or whatever else.
It was one crisp image.
But again, its a sweet spot. Move a bit and you do start to see double.
 
[quote name='confoosious']What happened to you after Avatar?[/QUOTE]

Hard to describe. I didn't get headaches like most people I know do, but I had...I don't know, just SEEING felt really, really wrong. It was extremely unpleasant, and not something I'll go through again. Was really thankful when I woke up the next day and things were back to normal.

[quote name='dallow']Yup. From the sweet spot each eye sees one image and the brain combines just like in real life.

3D worked perfectly for me without the need of crossing, blurring, focusing or whatever else.
It was one crisp image.
But again, its a sweet spot. Move a bit and you do start to see double.[/QUOTE]

Didn't happen for me, nor some others on here-you had to work at it regardless of positioning. Unless this sweet spot is so tiny you can't actually find it?
 
[quote name='Wolfpup']Hard to describe. I didn't get headaches like most people I know do, but I had...I don't know, just SEEING felt really, really wrong. It was extremely unpleasant, and not something I'll go through again. Was really thankful when I woke up the next day and things were back to normal.



Didn't happen for me, nor some others on here-you had to work at it regardless of positioning. Unless this sweet spot is so tiny you can't actually find it?[/QUOTE]

It sounds like you're part of the population that has problems with 3D effects.

I'm actually surprised I don't get nausea while looking at 3d since I always do with FPS.

http://www.mediacollege.com/3d/depth-perception/test.html
 
wolfpup do you ever get migrains. they can do really weird things to your vision/senses and could be really unsettling to someone who experiences a severe one for the first time. what you describe kind of sounds like one, and eye strain, which I'd imagine 3d movies cause, can be a major trigger for one.
 
I didn't have to work hard to find it. Holding it still while standing was the only difficulty. Moving it left or right did ruin it and I saw the two images.


And this coming from someone who wasn't that impressed with the 3D. But not because it didnt work properly.

Obviously this isn't for you as you have trouble resolving stereoscopic images, and that's fine. Many people can't. Its natural.
 
I should that add that any kind of smudges, dirt, particles on the top screen will similarly hurt the effect greatly and Nintendo has mentioned it.

Don't use screen protectors up top folks.
 
[quote name='dallow']I should that add that any kind of smudges, dirt, particles on the top screen will similarly hurt the effect greatly and Nintendo has mentioned it.

Don't use screen protectors up top folks.[/QUOTE]

Hey you dont tell me what to do. I'm going to put a polarizing screen filter in place and see the 3D in super HD quality?
 
[quote name='confoosious']It sounds like you're part of the population that has problems with 3D effects.[/quote]

Not that I know of. No problem with that test, and besides, it works fine with movies, just causes major issues (and is a gimmicky distraction, but it works).

I'm actually surprised I don't get nausea while looking at 3d since I always do with FPS.
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Thankfully I almost never do...except with a lot of N64 games (I guess because of the low frame rate) and Half Life 1, for some reason.

[quote name='caltab']wolfpup do you ever get migrains. [/quote]

Nope, never. Rarely get headaches either. I'm guessing that's why it was just my vision that was effected, but without the headaches a lot of people report.

[quote name='dallow']I should that add that any kind of smudges, dirt, particles on the top screen will similarly hurt the effect greatly and Nintendo has mentioned it.

Don't use screen protectors up top folks.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I don't like screen protectors on the DS top screen either (or PSP). Blurs out the screen, and IMO it's not needed. Plus the DS already HAS a screen protector over the top screen from Nintendo! I made the mistake of putting on one once, and couldn't get it off without wrecking the top protector, so had to buy a replacement from Nintendo.
 
[quote name='Wolfpup']
Nope, never. Rarely get headaches either. I'm guessing that's why it was just my vision that was effected, but without the headaches a lot of people report.
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There's actually a type of migraine that doesn't cause head pain, but rather just visual issues, its called an optical migraine. It kind of sounds like you may have had one. I get them sometimes, they usually last around 20-30 minutes. I know staring at the computer too much is one of my triggers, so I could def. see 3d eye strain setting it off.
 
[quote name='Kfoster1979']Then I must be a crack head.... Using a parallax barrier sends 2 different images to your eye same has a lenticuar print. If your crossing your eyes it's a learned behavior most likely due to eye training.[/QUOTE] Parallax barrier employes the same technique of a person crossing their eyes over two similar pictures with subtle differences in them(IE; the "What is the difference?" picture books used to entertain kids) and purposely imposing one image over the other. The end result is you get 3 images in your eyes, one of each picture and one with the other superimposed on it. Here's your free 3D lesson that wikipedia doesn't teach you.

[quote name='Salamando3000']With the 3DS, once you find "the Sweet Spot", you're not supposed to see two images. You're supposed to see a single image that your brain is creating from the image each eye sees. From any angle but the spot, you're going to be seeing two images.

As for why it makes your eyes tired, it's supposedly an issue of eye Focus vs eye Convergence. For the 3D stuff to work, we need to focus on the plane of the screen, but our eyes need to converge on the illusion. Typically, our eyes try to converge and focus on the same point. Making them operate off two different points causes the eyes/brain to work harder to figure the image out, hence the fatigue.[/QUOTE]
The parallax barrier is just a tool to give the untrained person the ability to see in 3D on demand. Those of us who can cross their eyes at will can experience limited things in 3D(the above mentioned difference picture books). That's why there is a curve to it. It's not transmitting. There is no dongle to go to your brain. It's tricking the brain into the end result that would generate the same 3D "effect" by crossing your eyes.

Accept that there are things you guys can't read on wikipedia or a tech blog.

Edit: http://kombo.com/features/How_the_3DS_Works/ for reference
http://www.neilcreek.com/blog/2008/02/28/how-to-see-3d-photos/
 
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[quote name='foltzie']Hey you dont tell me what to do. I'm going to put a polarizing screen filter in place and see the 3D in super HD quality?[/QUOTE]

Actually, that could be fun... I'll have to pull out my polarized shades and see what the 3DS screen looks like.
 
[quote name='Mad39er']Accept that there are things you guys can't read on wikipedia or a tech blog.[/QUOTE]

Indeed, I'm afraid I must accept that I cannot read anything on the Russian Wikipedia site.
 
[quote name='caltab']There's actually a type of migraine that doesn't cause head pain, but rather just visual issues, its called an optical migraine. It kind of sounds like you may have had one. I get them sometimes, they usually last around 20-30 minutes. I know staring at the computer too much is one of my triggers, so I could def. see 3d eye strain setting it off.[/QUOTE]

I think I might get this. Lately sometimes I get spells where I can't focus at all for like 10 mins. Usually after a lot of computer use.
 
I'm still hopeful for Ghost Recon Shadow Wars. Kotaku site gave it a positive first impression and it's a 3DS exclusive/original title. (The 3D effects are lacking and a bit off-putting, though).
 
Cap'n_RDM;8304186 said:
I personally am hoping that down the line, they release a 3Dless version of the 3DS. I know it sounds stupid but as a parent I won't buy this for my children (6 & 8) even with the slider. It would be impossible for me to constantly monitor their DS time to ensure that they leave the 3D off. While they are good kids, I know they would be tempted...hell I would be tempted myself. I don't think enough is known yet about the potential effect this could have on our eyes so can't risk it plain and simple. I've gotta take a better safe than sorry approach on this one until more research is available and I personally have more time to read it.
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There is a parental lock on the 3D.

I also want a 3D less version for myself, hopefully at a cheaper price. I paid $119 for a brand new DSi so this thing costs more than double the price of the DSi for me.
 
[quote name='predseth']I can't get the store locater to work on either of my browsers. Would anyone mind checking the closest demo location to zip code 37130?[/QUOTE]

Within 50 miles:

1 )
Best Buy
5255 HICKORY HOLLOW PKWY ANTIOCH, TN 37013-3003
Store # 173

2 )
Best Buy
2311 GALLATIN PIKE N MADISON, TN 37115-2007
Store # 172
 
[quote name='elessar123']lol @ "...hardcore gamers, like me, who grew up on Halo."[/QUOTE]

I think he just set himself up to be the laughing stock of the entire gaming community. I made it a thread since it it would be easy for it to get lost up in here. Definitely worth seeing.
 
[quote name='Mad39er']Parallax barrier employes the same technique of a person crossing their eyes over two similar pictures with subtle differences in them(IE; the "What is the difference?" picture books used to entertain kids) and purposely imposing one image over the other. The end result is you get 3 images in your eyes, one of each picture and one with the other superimposed on it. Here's your free 3D lesson that wikipedia doesn't teach you.


The parallax barrier is just a tool to give the untrained person the ability to see in 3D on demand. Those of us who can cross their eyes at will can experience limited things in 3D(the above mentioned difference picture books). That's why there is a curve to it. It's not transmitting. There is no dongle to go to your brain. It's tricking the brain into the end result that would generate the same 3D "effect" by crossing your eyes.

Accept that there are things you guys can't read on wikipedia or a tech blog.

Edit: http://kombo.com/features/How_the_3DS_Works/ for reference
http://www.neilcreek.com/blog/2008/02/28/how-to-see-3d-photos/[/QUOTE]

:applause: Wow! Thanks for the lesson on how to cross my eyes. My world is now in 3d glory just to think of all the stuff I've been missing out on. You Sir are sadly wrong. While the simple idea that you can just cross your eyes aka the Magic Eye technique may work to a point what you are doing is forcing your eyes into a position and in to an unnatural focus that your brain is trying to resolve that's why you see 3 images not just 1 3d image, and frankly hurts the hell out of your eyes. While the basic idea is correct forcing your eyes to see 2 different images makes the 3d effect, by using a filter glasses, or a barrier you doing it in a more natural (liberal use of the word, I know) way send 2 distinct images to your eyes. As I said to Wolfpup, if your crossing your eyes when you watch 3d that's a learned behavior, magic eye, because in your mind your trying to focus on both images at once and not just letting your eyes do the work (You do understand the reason you can see depth in real life is because your eyes see a slightly different view and your brain processes that as depth) DO this put on an eye patch and go play some baseball it will be harder then you think.

A parallax barrier works the same way as glass view 3d, even better like a view master, but instead of glasses it separates the image on the screen and focus that to your left and right eye independently. What you get in return is your brain compiling one single image in 3d; not 3 kind of blurry my eyes feel like there about to stay crossed and only works in a limited way. Nothing is "tricking" your brain that's they way it works taking 2 slightly different views and making them 1.

Will this kill your vision? Don't know jury is still out, but Hollywood, toy manufactures, and publishers have been "tricking" you into seeing 3d for decades and very little ill effect outside of headaches have been shown in adults. Kid on the other hand as there eyes are still developing it may have long term impact on vision more study needs to be done. FYI this is why optometrist recommend polarized sunglasses to young kids as they absorb about 80% of there lifetime UV rays before 18 and that can do a lot of damage.

But what do I know I only read the wiki so....
 
I bet they picked that guy by asking around on Fortune's office for a "gamer". Because he plays some Halo, he's an "expert".
 
[quote name='Mad39er']Parallax barrier employes the same technique of a person crossing their eyes over two similar pictures with subtle differences in them(IE; the "What is the difference?" picture books used to entertain kids) and purposely imposing one image over the other. The end result is you get 3 images in your eyes, one of each picture and one with the other superimposed on it. Here's your free 3D lesson that wikipedia doesn't teach you.


The parallax barrier is just a tool to give the untrained person the ability to see in 3D on demand. Those of us who can cross their eyes at will can experience limited things in 3D(the above mentioned difference picture books). That's why there is a curve to it. It's not transmitting. There is no dongle to go to your brain. It's tricking the brain into the end result that would generate the same 3D "effect" by crossing your eyes.

Accept that there are things you guys can't read on wikipedia or a tech blog.

Edit: http://kombo.com/features/How_the_3DS_Works/ for reference
http://www.neilcreek.com/blog/2008/02/28/how-to-see-3d-photos/[/QUOTE]



I disagree with you; however I'm no expert on the subject. The cross eye magic eye trick is more of a focus trick while glasses etc are sending different images to your eyes. The idea, at least from my limited understanding, is that your eyes and brain will treat it more natural. The way human eyes work and the way we see depth is by seeing the same image at slightly different angles that our brains process into one 3d image. Also crossing my eyes hurts after a few seconds playing a 3DS or watching a movie dosent affect me.
 
[quote name='BattleChicken']edit: huh.. the post I was referencing got blown away, it seems.

Response to the absurd "cross ur eyz for mad 3D FX". Blah.[/QUOTE]

Yes I del my post because I came off as an ass hat. I reworded what I was trying to say in a less douche bag fuck hole inducing know it all kind of way.
 
Only true 3D are real life and holograms. Stereoscopic 3D and perspective (this is how we have been seeing 3D images that are actually 2D for centuries) tricks the brain.

I don't really get why people are spending so much time and effort on Stereoscopic 3D when holograms are the true future.
 
[quote name='laaj']Only true 3D are real life and holograms. Stereoscopic 3D and perspective (this is how we have been seeing 3D images that are actually 2D for centuries) tricks the brain.

I don't really get why people are spending so much time and effort on Stereoscopic 3D when holograms are the true future.[/QUOTE]

AHHHH OK I see your point :applause:

Like I said before how I read it and my understand is your looking at 2 slightly different perspectives (as you do with your eyes) and in turn your brain see it as 3d. Granted it's a trick, but it seems a more "natural" way of seeing 3D vs crossing yo eyez for mad 3dz.
 
[quote name='confoosious']Very disappointing on steel diver. I guess i'll look for more reviews on Ghost Recon.

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what is this about hardcore gamers on halo?[/QUOTE]

A (very bad and inaccurate) CNNMoney review on the 3DS. The link was in the thread.
 
[quote name='elessar123']A (very bad and inaccurate) CNNMoney review on the 3DS. The link was in the thread.[/QUOTE]

yeah, i saw it after I posted my comment. hilarious. (in a sad way)


Ghost Recon just jumped to the top of my launch titles list.

(for no apparent reason, i thought one of the launch titles was called Face Riders.)
 
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[quote name='Kfoster1979']I disagree with you; however I'm no expert on the subject. The cross eye magic eye trick is more of a focus trick while glasses etc are sending different images to your eyes. The idea, at least from my limited understanding, is that your eyes and brain will treat it more natural. The way human eyes work and the way we see depth is by seeing the same image at slightly different angles that our brains process into one 3d image. Also crossing my eyes hurts after a few seconds playing a 3DS or watching a movie dosent affect me.[/QUOTE]It's the same thing. If your eyes can't cross the pictures and make the image converge, you can't use the 3DS for 3D. The amount of crossing necessary is adjustable by the slider. It's only more natural because of the shortened distance between the two similar images.

[quote name='Kfoster1979']AHHHH OK I see your point :applause:
Like I said before how I read it and my understand is your looking at 2 slightly different perspectives (as you do with your eyes) and in turn your brain see it as 3d. Granted it's a trick, but it seems a more "natural" way of seeing 3D vs crossing yo eyez for mad 3dz.[/QUOTE]
You're not looking at two different perspectives. You're looking at two similar images with just enough difference in them to make them pop because the brain is overlaying the two images into one with the differences being more vibrant and active than the parts that are the same. The eyes still have to cross, granted not a whole lot but enough for Nintendo to slap a warning on it that says do not play for more than 20 minutes.
 
[quote name='confoosious'](for no apparent reason, i thought one of the launch titles was called Face Riders.)[/QUOTE]

Face Raiders is a built-in game on the 3DS.
 
After seeing the card reader stuff for Nintendogs in action and enjoying the first one on the original DS, I'm going with that and Street Fighter. I'm not huge into fighters because I'm not good at them and I've barely played SSFIV on the 360, but Street Fighter has gotten the best reviews thus far and a fighting game seems good for a portable system. Also, there are simplified control options. Pilotwings looks amazing in 3D, but it just bored me and the lack of content causes me to be hesitant. Bust-A-Move is a series I've always loved, but it's releasing at $29.99 anyway and I can probably get it cheaper down the line. Madden is another series I love, but I've played the 360 version of this year's game to death and the 3DS version is really stripped down.
 
[quote name='Sir_Fragalot']Anyone know if any stores are selling 3DS accessories yet? Looking to maybe get a case tonight if possible because I will be bringing it places with the pedometer and all.[/QUOTE]

GameStop and Toys R Us had accessories out for about a week now
 
I've seen ads online since yesterday on craigslist for 3DS systems in hand. Wonder how they got them.
Of course they want ridiculous prices. $300-$500.



Btw, Reggie was on Fallon tonight again. They played AR games, seemed like a good promotion Should be online now.
 
[quote name='utopianmachine']I've never played Rayman. I'm thinking this and Nintendogs for me through the Amazon deal.

Game Informer gave it a 7.5.

http://www.gameinformer.com/games/r...visiting-the-great-escape-and-revolution.aspx[/QUOTE]

Thanks for posting these reviews as they pop up, UM. :applause:

I've never played a Rayman game before but I do love a good platformer. I may have to keep this one in mind.

Oh, and here's a link to Reggie's appearance on Fallon tonight:
http://www.latenightwithjimmyfallon...ak-peek-with-reggie-fils-aime-3-25-11/1316217
 
[quote name='dallow']Btw, Reggie was on Fallon tonight again. They played AR games, seemed like a good promotion Should be online now.[/QUOTE]
LOL.
Reggie: And just like in real life, the more I shoot you in the mouth the more points I get.

Hardly anything except for a few chuckles. Maybe people were really creeped out or something.

Also, I found this.
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Cap'n_RDM;8304186]I personally am hoping that down the line said:
[quote name='SaraAB']There is a parental lock on the 3D.

I also want a 3D less version for myself, hopefully at a cheaper price. I paid $119 for a brand new DSi so this thing costs more than double the price of the DSi for me.
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Good to know it does have a parental lock but as someone else mentioned, it still feels a little awkward even when in the "off" position (granted this is based on 3 minutes at a demo endcap). I'll still hold out for a 3Dless version in a couple of years and then make the jump for the kids and myself.
 
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