Obama Care Could Be Deadly
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[quote name='trq']This is why we can't have nice things.[/QUOTE]
Merely meant that, aside from the crazy stuff, the basic idea of this bill is a radical overhaul from "status quo". Again, that's not necessarily a bad thing. If I said I wanted to build a giant system of houses that would provide shelter for every man, woman and child, and do it for free - that would be a radical change from how we operate today.
[quote name='The Crotch']Shit. This is hard.
Bob, what font do you use for that?[/QUOTE]
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[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']I see what UncleBob and The Crotch are doing, but I refuse to put "Capitalism" under my icon.[/QUOTE]
The funny thing is, the Joker is more of an Anarchist. So I'm not really sure the point that particular group is trying to make. I just figured it'd be more fun this way.
Merely meant that, aside from the crazy stuff, the basic idea of this bill is a radical overhaul from "status quo". Again, that's not necessarily a bad thing. If I said I wanted to build a giant system of houses that would provide shelter for every man, woman and child, and do it for free - that would be a radical change from how we operate today.
[quote name='The Crotch']Shit. This is hard.
Bob, what font do you use for that?[/QUOTE]
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[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']I see what UncleBob and The Crotch are doing, but I refuse to put "Capitalism" under my icon.[/QUOTE]
The funny thing is, the Joker is more of an Anarchist. So I'm not really sure the point that particular group is trying to make. I just figured it'd be more fun this way.
http://www.wbir.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=96137&provider=gnews
Apparently some of the 'baggers were contemplating protesting at one of these but backed off at the last minute.
Apparently some of the 'baggers were contemplating protesting at one of these but backed off at the last minute.
[quote name='HowStern']There is a trend in here. People against the public option are linking to op-eds and blogs. People for a public option are linking to hard data and facts.[/QUOTE]
Damn ingrates. Should just stop having opinions and shut up. Government knows what's best for them.
Screw the Republic, give in to the Democracy! (+10 points to whomever actually knows the difference between the two and which one we are).
Damn ingrates. Should just stop having opinions and shut up. Government knows what's best for them.
Screw the Republic, give in to the Democracy! (+10 points to whomever actually knows the difference between the two and which one we are).
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Oh, Bob. That's fifth grade social studies stuff right there. Representative democracy vs direct democracy.
[quote name='mykevermin']Oh, Bob. That's fifth grade social studies stuff right there. Representative democracy vs direct democracy.[/QUOTE]
Not *quite*. http://1215.org/lawnotes/lawnotes/repvsdem.htm
[quote name='Msut77']In case anyone failed to notice any claim Bob had to be treated seriously (even after his pro-death plan) was obliterated when he Hitler'd himself.[/QUOTE]
Wow, Msut. You really take the cake. You keep hammering away at me with this idea of a "pro-death plan". You're about as swift as Sarah Palin and her death panels. You two would get along well.
Not *quite*. http://1215.org/lawnotes/lawnotes/repvsdem.htm
[quote name='Msut77']In case anyone failed to notice any claim Bob had to be treated seriously (even after his pro-death plan) was obliterated when he Hitler'd himself.[/QUOTE]
Wow, Msut. You really take the cake. You keep hammering away at me with this idea of a "pro-death plan". You're about as swift as Sarah Palin and her death panels. You two would get along well.
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[quote name='Msut77']http://www.wbir.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=96137&provider=gnews
Apparently some of the 'baggers were contemplating protesting at one of these but backed off at the last minute.[/QUOTE]
I love how people on the left decry the use of the term Obamacare, and yet resort to an immature sexual euphemism to describe their opponents. Such hypocrisy.
[quote name='HowStern']There is a trend in here. People against the public option are linking to op-eds and blogs. People for a public option are linking to hard data and facts.[/QUOTE]
There is a trend in here. People for the public option still won't tell me how taking away 11-12% (at least) of people's income who can't afford health insurance in the first place, helps them afford it. They also don't seem to care that Obama promised 300 billions in savings, but after meeting with the pharmaceutical industry, now only has 80 billion in savings. Or how these bills will somehow result in 500 billion or so in Medicare savings without a reduction in care. Yeah, there's a real trend going on.
Apparently some of the 'baggers were contemplating protesting at one of these but backed off at the last minute.[/QUOTE]
I love how people on the left decry the use of the term Obamacare, and yet resort to an immature sexual euphemism to describe their opponents. Such hypocrisy.
[quote name='HowStern']There is a trend in here. People against the public option are linking to op-eds and blogs. People for a public option are linking to hard data and facts.[/QUOTE]
There is a trend in here. People for the public option still won't tell me how taking away 11-12% (at least) of people's income who can't afford health insurance in the first place, helps them afford it. They also don't seem to care that Obama promised 300 billions in savings, but after meeting with the pharmaceutical industry, now only has 80 billion in savings. Or how these bills will somehow result in 500 billion or so in Medicare savings without a reduction in care. Yeah, there's a real trend going on.
[quote name='UncleBob']Damn ingrates. Should just stop having opinions and shut up. Government knows what's best for them.[/QUOTE]
Bob, do you really think it is too much to ask to expect someone to have an informed opinion?
It is a fact that you repeatedly stated that unprofitable should die.
Are you going to lie about it now?
Like I said between that and your "lol. hitler" there is no reason to take you seriously.
Bob, do you really think it is too much to ask to expect someone to have an informed opinion?
It is a fact that you repeatedly stated that unprofitable should die.
Are you going to lie about it now?
Like I said between that and your "lol. hitler" there is no reason to take you seriously.
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[quote name='UncleBob']Damn ingrates. Should just stop having opinions and shut up.[/QUOTE]
Well, if they aren't basing their opinions on facts and hard evidence, yeah they should shut up.
Who would you rather hear talk about guitar, a kid who's good at guitar hero or Eddie Van Halen?
Well, if they aren't basing their opinions on facts and hard evidence, yeah they should shut up.
Who would you rather hear talk about guitar, a kid who's good at guitar hero or Eddie Van Halen?
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[quote name='UncleBob']Not *quite*. http://1215.org/lawnotes/lawnotes/repvsdem.htm[/QUOTE]
I fail to see the distinction you're trying to make.
I fail to see the distinction you're trying to make.
[quote name='Msut77']It is a fact that you repeatedly stated that unprofitable should die.
Are you going to lie about it now?[/QUOTE]
Quote me. Now. I want to see a quote, from me, that says "unprofitable people should die". (aside from that right there, of course.)
[quote name='HowStern']Well, if they aren't basing their opinions on facts and hard evidence, yeah they should shut up.
Who would you rather hear talk about guitar, a kid who's good at guitar hero or Eddie Van Halen?[/QUOTE]
Neither, really.
The fact is, when something is pointed out to someone who has already formed an opinion, the person is going to come up with a reason to dismiss that something. Period. People have pointed out the flaws in the WHO #37 figure. It's dismissed. People have pointed out the polls that show Americans don't want a "Public Option". It's dismissed. People have pointed out that the tax base is already disproportionally distributed. It's dismissed.
You're not interested in hard facts and data.
Are you going to lie about it now?[/QUOTE]
Quote me. Now. I want to see a quote, from me, that says "unprofitable people should die". (aside from that right there, of course.)
[quote name='HowStern']Well, if they aren't basing their opinions on facts and hard evidence, yeah they should shut up.
Who would you rather hear talk about guitar, a kid who's good at guitar hero or Eddie Van Halen?[/QUOTE]
Neither, really.
The fact is, when something is pointed out to someone who has already formed an opinion, the person is going to come up with a reason to dismiss that something. Period. People have pointed out the flaws in the WHO #37 figure. It's dismissed. People have pointed out the polls that show Americans don't want a "Public Option". It's dismissed. People have pointed out that the tax base is already disproportionally distributed. It's dismissed.
You're not interested in hard facts and data.
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[quote name='UncleBob']
The fact is, when something is pointed out to someone who has already formed an opinion, the person is going to come up with a reason to dismiss that something. Period. People have pointed out the flaws in the WHO #37 figure. It's dismissed. People have pointed out the polls that show Americans don't want a "Public Option". It's dismissed. People have pointed out that the tax base is already disproportionally distributed. It's dismissed.
You're not interested in hard facts and data.[/QUOTE]
The WHO recognizes the flaws on their rankings themselves. But it's the best available. You can't possibly think for a second a country that spends twice as much as everyone else, half the population isn't covered, the second highest obesity levels, and has the lowest life expectancy has a good system?
Secondly, polls that show people don't want a public system don't mean we shouldn't have one. Clearly Americans know little about health.
If I went around and asked kids if they should have to brush their teeth and 60% of them said no. Then that must mean we should stop brushing kids teeth?
The fact is, when something is pointed out to someone who has already formed an opinion, the person is going to come up with a reason to dismiss that something. Period. People have pointed out the flaws in the WHO #37 figure. It's dismissed. People have pointed out the polls that show Americans don't want a "Public Option". It's dismissed. People have pointed out that the tax base is already disproportionally distributed. It's dismissed.
You're not interested in hard facts and data.[/QUOTE]
The WHO recognizes the flaws on their rankings themselves. But it's the best available. You can't possibly think for a second a country that spends twice as much as everyone else, half the population isn't covered, the second highest obesity levels, and has the lowest life expectancy has a good system?
Secondly, polls that show people don't want a public system don't mean we shouldn't have one. Clearly Americans know little about health.
If I went around and asked kids if they should have to brush their teeth and 60% of them said no. Then that must mean we should stop brushing kids teeth?
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[quote name='UncleBob']Not surprised.[/QUOTE]
What is the distinction you're trying to make?
What is the distinction you're trying to make?
[quote name='HowStern']The WHO recognizes the flaws on their rankings themselves. But it's the best available. You can't possibly think for a second a country that spends twice as much as everyone else, half the population isn't covered, the second highest obesity levels, and has the lowest life expectancy has a good system?[/QUOTE]
Notice that he doesn't "argue" that what we have is "#1", or substantially better than other wealthy industrialized nations considering what we spend.
Asking someone against reform to you know actually refute something or make an argument is beyond their ken.
Notice that he doesn't "argue" that what we have is "#1", or substantially better than other wealthy industrialized nations considering what we spend.
Asking someone against reform to you know actually refute something or make an argument is beyond their ken.
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[quote name='HowStern']The WHO recognizes the flaws on their rankings themselves. But it's the best available. You can't possibly think for a second a country that spends twice as much as everyone else, half the population isn't covered,[/QUOTE]
Last time I checked, half the population is no where near the amount uninsured. 155 million people in this country are not uninsured.
we want! No one wants Cap & Trade, who gives a ? No one wants a shitty public option with bailouts for the health care industry, who gives a ? Do you realize how ridiculous your statement is?
ing kids. Are you ing kidding me? Learn how to ing use an analogy.
Last time I checked, half the population is no where near the amount uninsured. 155 million people in this country are not uninsured.
And that's the fault of our health care system how? By that logic, Third World countries with terrible health care systems should be full of fat people.
I highly doubt that we have the lowest life expectancy in the world.
I suppose if polls show we shouldn't be in Iraq, that means we should? Who cares what the hell the people want? We just do whatever the
we want! No one wants Cap & Trade, who gives a ? No one wants a shitty public option with bailouts for the health care industry, who gives a ? Do you realize how ridiculous your statement is?Clearly you know little about these health care bill, our current system or America.
You are talking to
ing kids. Are you ing kidding me? Learn how to ing use an analogy.
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Why do we separate out children as not to have valid opinions on issues?
naivete, innocence, and their general ability to be easily fooled.
"Keep your government off of my medicare!" sums up my feelings on the anti-reform folks.
naivete, innocence, and their general ability to be easily fooled.
"Keep your government off of my medicare!" sums up my feelings on the anti-reform folks.
[quote name='HowStern']If I went around and asked kids if they should have to brush their teeth and 60% of them said no. Then that must mean we should stop brushing kids teeth?[/QUOTE]
So... let's treat the American citizenry like a bunch of little kids. Big Government Knows Best.
[quote name='Msut77']You are resorting to a not particularly subtle form of lying Bob.[/QUOTE]
I keep seeing a lot of talk from you, but no quotes.
So... let's treat the American citizenry like a bunch of little kids. Big Government Knows Best.
[quote name='Msut77']You are resorting to a not particularly subtle form of lying Bob.[/QUOTE]
I keep seeing a lot of talk from you, but no quotes.
[quote name='UncleBob']Big Government Knows Best.[/quote]
Page one.
Countries that have systems where the government has a large hand in healthcare or even just as simple as regulating insurance companies have better outcomes than our system and they spend less.
And yes this includes countries not normally seen as part of the Soviet Bloc such as Switzerland and Japan.
All I ever see are lies and nonsense from you.
Page one.
Countries that have systems where the government has a large hand in healthcare or even just as simple as regulating insurance companies have better outcomes than our system and they spend less.
And yes this includes countries not normally seen as part of the Soviet Bloc such as Switzerland and Japan.
All I ever see are lies and nonsense from you.
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[quote name='Msut77']Page one.
Countries that have systems where the government has a large hand in healthcare or even just as simple as regulating insurance companies have better outcomes than our system and they spend less.
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Countries that have systems where the government has a large hand in healthcare or even just as simple as regulating insurance companies have better outcomes than our system and they spend less.
[/QUOTE]
http://www.google.com/hostednews/can...335rGu_Z3KXoQw
[quote name='Msut77']All I ever see are lies and nonsense from you.[/QUOTE]
I believe you've been moderated before for your lies and name calling.
Either find a quote from me in regards to "unprofitable people should die" or drop the Sarah Palin-esque crap.
I believe you've been moderated before for your lies and name calling.
Either find a quote from me in regards to "unprofitable people should die" or drop the Sarah Palin-esque crap.
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[quote name='UncleBob']Damn ingrates. Should just stop having opinions and shut up. Government knows what's best for them.
Screw the Republic, give in to the Democracy! (+10 points to whomever actually knows the difference between the two and which one we are).[/QUOTE]
The textbooks and founding papers say we are a representitive democracy (Republic). But anyone born with eyes and ears connected to at least a gram of grey matter would know that what we have now, in practice, is a Corporate Oligarchy.
[quote name='mykevermin']
"Keep your government off of my medicare!" sums up my feelings on the anti-reform folks.[/QUOTE]
It would be great if they just extended Medicare as the answer though. The hard sell is that we need Medicare, Medicaid, and something else entirely.
Screw the Republic, give in to the Democracy! (+10 points to whomever actually knows the difference between the two and which one we are).[/QUOTE]
The textbooks and founding papers say we are a representitive democracy (Republic). But anyone born with eyes and ears connected to at least a gram of grey matter would know that what we have now, in practice, is a Corporate Oligarchy.
[quote name='mykevermin']
"Keep your government off of my medicare!" sums up my feelings on the anti-reform folks.[/QUOTE]
It would be great if they just extended Medicare as the answer though. The hard sell is that we need Medicare, Medicaid, and something else entirely.
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[quote name='thrustbucket']The textbooks and founding papers say we are a representitive democracy (Republic).[/quote]
Don't say that. Bob swore that I was incorrect when I said republics and representative demcracies were not the same thing. He didn't follow up when I pressed him on it, instead going after msut.
I don't follow how this would be superior. With a public option, consumers of the option would be directly paying into it. That would not be the case with medicare. How is it thus better?
Don't say that. Bob swore that I was incorrect when I said republics and representative demcracies were not the same thing. He didn't follow up when I pressed him on it, instead going after msut.
I don't follow how this would be superior. With a public option, consumers of the option would be directly paying into it. That would not be the case with medicare. How is it thus better?
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[quote name='fullmetalfan720']I love how people on the left decry the use of the term Obamacare, and yet resort to an immature sexual euphemism to describe their opponents. Such hypocrisy. [/QUOTE]Eh. Fair game, I says. The Urban Dictionary definition is old, and of non-Msut origin. A substantive argument? Naw. Kinda funny? Yeah.
Now back to the regularly scheduled programming.
Now back to the regularly scheduled programming.
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[quote name='mykevermin']Don't say that. Bob swore that I was incorrect when I said republics and representative demcracies were not the same thing. He didn't follow up when I pressed him on it, instead going after msut.
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Well, in this case, I agree with you. That's what it's suppose to be. Now the real trouble is in arguing that's what we have.....
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Well, in this case, I agree with you. That's what it's suppose to be. Now the real trouble is in arguing that's what we have.....
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[quote name='mykevermin']
I don't follow how this would be superior. With a public option, consumers of the option would be directly paying into it. That would not be the case with medicare. How is it thus better?[/QUOTE]
With Medicare, you aren't forcing people to buy something they can't afford.
I don't follow how this would be superior. With a public option, consumers of the option would be directly paying into it. That would not be the case with medicare. How is it thus better?[/QUOTE]
With Medicare, you aren't forcing people to buy something they can't afford.
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The bill should simply be if the US health care is rated below 30th place before 2010, Medicare becomes available to everybody and taxes will be raised as needed.
Common welfare, folks. If the free market can't make it work, Big Brother has to force it so.
Common welfare, folks. If the free market can't make it work, Big Brother has to force it so.
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Clearly you know little about these health care bill, our current system or America.
You are talking toing kids. Are you ing kidding me? Learn how to ing use an analogy.[/QUOTE]
Are youing kidding me? Learn how to understand an analogy. See:
[quote name='mykevermin']Why do we separate out children as not to have valid opinions on issues?
naivete, innocence, and their general ability to be easily fooled.
[/QUOTE]
And:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJuNgBkloFE&feature=player_embedded#t=112
And:
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/roper2006/findings.html
And:
http://people-press.org/report/319/...e-changed-by-news-and-information-revolutions
Now you will see why I place American's opinions on level with children's.
Clearly you know little about these health care bill, our current system or America.
You are talking to
ing kids. Are you ing kidding me? Learn how to ing use an analogy.[/QUOTE]Are you
ing kidding me? Learn how to understand an analogy. See:[quote name='mykevermin']Why do we separate out children as not to have valid opinions on issues?
naivete, innocence, and their general ability to be easily fooled.
[/QUOTE]
And:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJuNgBkloFE&feature=player_embedded#t=112
And:
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/roper2006/findings.html
And:
http://people-press.org/report/319/...e-changed-by-news-and-information-revolutions
Now you will see why I place American's opinions on level with children's.
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[quote name='HowStern']Are you ing kidding me? Learn how to understand an analogy. See:[/QUOTE]
My point was that kids can't vote, and haven't yet developed the cognitive power to understand that they need to brush their teeth.
ing kidding me? Learn how to understand an analogy. See:[/QUOTE]My point was that kids can't vote, and haven't yet developed the cognitive power to understand that they need to brush their teeth.
That is painful to watch. Of course, this is what happens when a country is so drugged out of its mind by the magical teevee, drugs, alcohol, and everything else. The sad thing is, you probably could have asked all of those people who Michael Jackson is, and they would all know. These people don't know anything about the world, their country, or how things work, and yet they probably know everything about their favorite celebrity. Its this level of celebrity worship that causes most of the problems we have right now. People are basically dazed by their flickering tv, and their football, and the endless reality shows. As a result of this, what was once the greatest educated country in the world is now lagging behind the rest of the world. People don't understand what the hell single-payer, capitalism, communism, oligarchy, republic, fiat currency, Medicare, or any thing else is. Yet they know what a sack, a field goal, a touchdown, and all these things that don't really matter are. We've been screwed over too many times by politicians, and no one cares, because they don't even know who they are. They just go along with whatever everyone else is doing, that's why you see all these idiots for the latest puppet who can't even tell you why they support them. Nothing matters to them except for their celebrities, and sports. Its absolutely rediculous. This is the decline of empire America. Everything is falling apart.
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Which is precisely why public opinion is a bad proxy for making claims that Obama's plans for health care reform are bad.
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I am sure you can find people that stupid in any nation. How difficult it would be to find these people in the different regions is up for debate but I don't suspect those poll results would be that different. I saw something similar picking on the British a long time ago.
Anyway, enough off-topic ranting from me.
Anyway, enough off-topic ranting from me.
[quote name='The Crotch']Eh. Fair game, I says. The Urban Dictionary definition is old, and of non-Msut origin. A substantive argument? Naw. Kinda funny? Yeah.
Now back to the regularly scheduled programming.[/QUOTE]
I think the reference was to the "tea baggers"
[quote name='mykevermin']Don't say that. Bob swore that I was incorrect when I said republics and representative demcracies were not the same thing. He didn't follow up when I pressed him on it, instead going after msut.[/QUOTE]
Didn't say you were wrong. But you're not getting it. Democracy = Majority Rules. Republic = Majority Rules with minority rights. The idea is that 51% of the voters shouldn't be able to abuse 49% of the voters.
[quote name='Msut77']Bob, what do you think happens to people who are denied care?
At ER's especially?
I don't expect to get an answer because this is all a game to you.[/QUOTE]
And yet, you still have not provided any such quotes from me. I'll answer you once you admit you're a liar.
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']The bill should simply be if the US health care is rated below 30th place before 2010, Medicare becomes available to everybody and taxes will be raised as needed.
Common welfare, folks. If the free market can't make it work, Big Brother has to force it so.[/QUOTE]
Not a horrible idea - except for one thing... instead of raising taxes, how about cutting spending?
Now back to the regularly scheduled programming.[/QUOTE]
I think the reference was to the "tea baggers"
[quote name='mykevermin']Don't say that. Bob swore that I was incorrect when I said republics and representative demcracies were not the same thing. He didn't follow up when I pressed him on it, instead going after msut.[/QUOTE]
Didn't say you were wrong. But you're not getting it. Democracy = Majority Rules. Republic = Majority Rules with minority rights. The idea is that 51% of the voters shouldn't be able to abuse 49% of the voters.
[quote name='Msut77']Bob, what do you think happens to people who are denied care?
At ER's especially?
I don't expect to get an answer because this is all a game to you.[/QUOTE]
And yet, you still have not provided any such quotes from me. I'll answer you once you admit you're a liar.
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']The bill should simply be if the US health care is rated below 30th place before 2010, Medicare becomes available to everybody and taxes will be raised as needed.
Common welfare, folks. If the free market can't make it work, Big Brother has to force it so.[/QUOTE]
Not a horrible idea - except for one thing... instead of raising taxes, how about cutting spending?
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[quote name='UncleBob']I think the reference was to the "tea baggers"
[/QUOTE]Ah, dammit, you're right. Not sure how I missed that. Musta had Thrust on the mind.
[/QUOTE]Ah, dammit, you're right. Not sure how I missed that. Musta had Thrust on the mind.
[quote name='HowStern']Now you will see why I place American's opinions on level with children's.[/QUOTE]
While I sympathize with you on the intelligence of the general American public, I would like to point out that the majority of American voters did vote for Obama. If the majority of Americans aren't to be trusted, can we get rid of him?
...and don't take this as a shot at Obama's "58 states" line, but your video reminded me of something I saw on TV once that almost made me cry. I tried to find it online, but had no luck. There was a TV Game Show called "Street Smarts" - the premise was that they would ask people on the street questions and the contestants back in the studio had to guess which of the three people on the street would be able to get the right answer.
Anywhoo, they did a geography-based episode (the only one I ever saw...). For commercial buffers, they were using what I assume to be "street" people that didn't make the final cut. They'd ask one question, then show the answers from many different people. One of the questions was "How many states are there in the US." People were all over the map.
To go from there, some time after 9/11, when we were poised to go into Iraq and every American was waving their flags (or attaching the magnets to their cars) and burning their Dixie Chicks CDs (not sure the exact timeframe when I came up with this idea), I created what I dubbed the "Patriot or Idiot" quiz. Questions like "How many states are there?" and "Which one of these people was not a president featured on US currency?" (multiple choice - everyone would pick Eisenhower when the answer was, of course, my favorite Ben Franklin from the $100 bill.). I also had the Hiroshima/Nagasaki question in there (Because it was ironic to me that we *had* to go into Iraq because Saddam just had those WMDs, when we were the only country to detonate a nuclear device as an act of war). I forget what all I had - but it was all stuff based on US history, geography, etc.. Anyway, the idea was to go to the local mall and interview people with the questions. I never did it, but I did ask several people the questions. Honestly, I was surprised with the number of questions people got right! While I could have easily made a similar video (sadly, without the number of people wanting to attack Australia) by splicing the "best" answers together (no, there are not 51, 52 or more states. No Puerto Rico isn't a state. No Washington DC isn't a state. Quit trying to argue with me.), I'd say people got about 65% of the questions correct. It was still sad, but it was better than I expected.
Still, one of my favorite moments was when I came into work one day and two of the "people greeters" at the front doors (combined age, about 200 years) stopped me and pointed to a car in the parking lot with a flag flowing in the wind, tied to the antenna. "Do you know what flag that is?" "I think it's the state flag for Texas. I'm pretty sure." (it was). "Good. Better not be no damn Iraquian (?) flag."
Anywhoo... way off subject now.
While I sympathize with you on the intelligence of the general American public, I would like to point out that the majority of American voters did vote for Obama. If the majority of Americans aren't to be trusted, can we get rid of him?
...and don't take this as a shot at Obama's "58 states" line, but your video reminded me of something I saw on TV once that almost made me cry. I tried to find it online, but had no luck. There was a TV Game Show called "Street Smarts" - the premise was that they would ask people on the street questions and the contestants back in the studio had to guess which of the three people on the street would be able to get the right answer.
Anywhoo, they did a geography-based episode (the only one I ever saw...). For commercial buffers, they were using what I assume to be "street" people that didn't make the final cut. They'd ask one question, then show the answers from many different people. One of the questions was "How many states are there in the US." People were all over the map.
To go from there, some time after 9/11, when we were poised to go into Iraq and every American was waving their flags (or attaching the magnets to their cars) and burning their Dixie Chicks CDs (not sure the exact timeframe when I came up with this idea), I created what I dubbed the "Patriot or Idiot" quiz. Questions like "How many states are there?" and "Which one of these people was not a president featured on US currency?" (multiple choice - everyone would pick Eisenhower when the answer was, of course, my favorite Ben Franklin from the $100 bill.). I also had the Hiroshima/Nagasaki question in there (Because it was ironic to me that we *had* to go into Iraq because Saddam just had those WMDs, when we were the only country to detonate a nuclear device as an act of war). I forget what all I had - but it was all stuff based on US history, geography, etc.. Anyway, the idea was to go to the local mall and interview people with the questions. I never did it, but I did ask several people the questions. Honestly, I was surprised with the number of questions people got right! While I could have easily made a similar video (sadly, without the number of people wanting to attack Australia) by splicing the "best" answers together (no, there are not 51, 52 or more states. No Puerto Rico isn't a state. No Washington DC isn't a state. Quit trying to argue with me.), I'd say people got about 65% of the questions correct. It was still sad, but it was better than I expected.
Still, one of my favorite moments was when I came into work one day and two of the "people greeters" at the front doors (combined age, about 200 years) stopped me and pointed to a car in the parking lot with a flag flowing in the wind, tied to the antenna. "Do you know what flag that is?" "I think it's the state flag for Texas. I'm pretty sure." (it was). "Good. Better not be no damn Iraquian (?) flag."
Anywhoo... way off subject now.
If I could divert this thread back to substance for a while:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/14/health/policy/14purchasing.html?pagewanted=1&_r=3
Might be a few billion to beat out of that pinata.
It also appears as if Republicans will have zero intention of even voting for a co-op plan or any real compromise plan at all and that a public option is still on the table.
Failure even for a compromise one could call the Swiss option isn't tenable.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/08/18/reinhardt.health.inflation/index.html?eref=igoogle_cnn
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/14/health/policy/14purchasing.html?pagewanted=1&_r=3
Might be a few billion to beat out of that pinata.
It also appears as if Republicans will have zero intention of even voting for a co-op plan or any real compromise plan at all and that a public option is still on the table.
Failure even for a compromise one could call the Swiss option isn't tenable.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/08/18/reinhardt.health.inflation/index.html?eref=igoogle_cnn
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fullmetalfan720
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[quote name='Msut77']If I could divert this thread back to substance for a while:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/14/health/policy/14purchasing.html?pagewanted=1&_r=3
Might be a few billion to beat out of that pinata.[/quote]
How are you going to come up with 500 billion in savings out of that?
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/14/health/policy/14purchasing.html?pagewanted=1&_r=3
Might be a few billion to beat out of that pinata.[/quote]
How are you going to come up with 500 billion in savings out of that?
Not only is that a terrible op-ed, but I don't see any solutions in it. Also, these bills being debated aren't reform. I don't see how anyone could think that if any of these bills get passed all of our problems will be solved. They won't, and instead we will have new problems.
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That's how Democrats pass bills.
They start off with semi-neutered bills (i.e., not a single-payer plan).
They capitulate to the Republicans, whose votes they don't even need if they were a functioning, coherent party, and neuter their bill under the mirage that Republicans will stop bitching and vote for "bipartisanship."
The Republicans still bitch.
The final bill is a tatters of its initial already-weakened initial proposal, with nothing to assist the public at large and a bunch of handouts for large corporations.
And the Republicans still don't vote for it.
Every.in'. Time.
They start off with semi-neutered bills (i.e., not a single-payer plan).
They capitulate to the Republicans, whose votes they don't even need if they were a functioning, coherent party, and neuter their bill under the mirage that Republicans will stop bitching and vote for "bipartisanship."
The Republicans still bitch.
The final bill is a tatters of its initial already-weakened initial proposal, with nothing to assist the public at large and a bunch of handouts for large corporations.
And the Republicans still don't vote for it.
Every.
in'. Time.
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1st comic pic, meh.
2nd comic pic, that sounds exactly like things democrats say about rush.
3rd comic pic, i've seen plenty of posts using that rhetoric in this topic.
4th, snore.
5th, there is no bi-partisanship in washington.
2nd comic pic, that sounds exactly like things democrats say about rush.
3rd comic pic, i've seen plenty of posts using that rhetoric in this topic.
4th, snore.
5th, there is no bi-partisanship in washington.
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[quote name='The Crotch']Ah, dammit, you're right. Not sure how I missed that. Musta had Thrust on the mind.[/QUOTE]
When did I talk about tea baggers?
When did I talk about tea baggers?
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Crotches always think about thrusting.
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[quote name='mykevermin']That's how Democrats pass bills.
They start off with semi-neutered bills (i.e., not a single-payer plan).
They capitulate to the Republicans, whose votes they don't even need if they were a functioning, coherent party, and neuter their bill under the mirage that Republicans will stop bitching and vote for "bipartisanship."
The Republicans still bitch.
The final bill is a tatters of its initial already-weakened initial proposal, with nothing to assist the public at large and a bunch of handouts for large corporations.
And the Republicans still don't vote for it.
Every.in'. Time.
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My solution to you: stop voting for the Democrats. They give you the same thing every time. Maybe if everyone would realize this and stop voting for the Democrats and Republicans, we could have some real political parties.
They start off with semi-neutered bills (i.e., not a single-payer plan).
They capitulate to the Republicans, whose votes they don't even need if they were a functioning, coherent party, and neuter their bill under the mirage that Republicans will stop bitching and vote for "bipartisanship."
The Republicans still bitch.
The final bill is a tatters of its initial already-weakened initial proposal, with nothing to assist the public at large and a bunch of handouts for large corporations.
And the Republicans still don't vote for it.
Every.
in'. Time.
My solution to you: stop voting for the Democrats. They give you the same thing every time. Maybe if everyone would realize this and stop voting for the Democrats and Republicans, we could have some real political parties.
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Who would I vote for, then? The Greens? NADER?
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[quote name='mykevermin']Who would I vote for, then? The Greens? NADER?
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If you want. You've got to realize, the Democrats are never going to give you what you want. That's why we need new competitors like the Reform party, or the Progressive party, that have popped up over time.
[/QUOTE]If you want. You've got to realize, the Democrats are never going to give you what you want. That's why we need new competitors like the Reform party, or the Progressive party, that have popped up over time.
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Here's my level of cynicism:
I don't get what I want because they'reing WIMPS WHO CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH A MAJORITY OF BOTH HOUSES OF CONGRESS AND THE ING WHITE HOUSE.
Not because they're corrupt.
They need to drink "powerthirst" or some shit. Bunch goddamned babies in the beltway, lettin' bitches use lies and bullshit to weaken an already weak bill.
I don't get what I want because they're
ing WIMPS WHO CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH A MAJORITY OF BOTH HOUSES OF CONGRESS AND THE ING WHITE HOUSE.Not because they're corrupt.
They need to drink "powerthirst" or some shit. Bunch goddamned babies in the beltway, lettin' bitches use lies and bullshit to weaken an already weak bill.
bread's done