Proof, acts dumb, shoots someone and dies at the age of 30. A sad day in hiphop.

[quote name='Blade']Rappers are fucking pussies. They think that they have to pick up a gun and fire a few shots and risk being shot themselves instead of fighting like men to settle disputes. I guess they are afraid of getting their asses kicked or afraid they will lose "respect" in the "rap game", but it's becoming a sad state of affairs when rappers are constantly being shot to death for acting like "gangstas" instead of like men. But if they would have acted like men instead of hiding behind masks of guns and violence they would still here making millions of dollars from white kids worldwide.

Why do these guys in this industry have to associate violence with success? They seem to have more rivals and more enemies than friends, which doesn't make much sense to me. You don't see this type of violence in other genres of music. You don't see Country Music stars killing each other, or rock stars, but every year more and more hip-hop stars are killed and no one seems to have any answer for it.[/QUOTE]

Blame the record companies.

http://www.avclub.com/content/node/22755
 
You guys have to live there to actually now what its all about. Most of my childhood friends are either in jail, dead, or in a wheelchair. For most of this people who are gangstars first they come from a low income family and they have faced things most of you have never seen. Most of them are weak minded people who just want to be accepted and have a family. Here they are veteranos if they make it to their 20's. The only ones that are still alive is because at one point they got a chick pregnant and now have to be daddies or shit like that. I don't want to say this is an excuse for being a cholo (gangster) but its the truth for the most part. One of my friends his dad use to beat him up just for fun, well at 14 he joined a gang and actually commited about 5 or 6 drive by's. He rob a bunch of liquor stores and some other things he never told me about cause he said it was pretty shitty.
 
[quote name='Zoglog']Blame the record companies.

http://www.avclub.com/content/node/22755[/QUOTE]Why? He doesn't.

Also ...
You can't expect to be on MTV and critique George Bush. You can't expect to be on BET or the cover of The Source advocating Jesus Christ or Buddha or Hindu Krishna or Moses. As a conscious rap artist, you have to play in the arena that you're supposed to be in.
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I guess times have changed. :lol:
 
[quote name='itspaidgasterblaster']You guys have to live there to actually now what its all about. Most of my childhood friends are either in jail, dead, or in a wheelchair. For most of this people who are gangstars first they come from a low income family and they have faced things most of you have never seen. Most of them are weak minded people who just want to be accepted and have a family. Here they are veteranos if they make it to their 20's. The only ones that are still alive is because at one point they got a chick pregnant and now have to be daddies or shit like that. I don't want to say this is an excuse for being a cholo (gangster) but its the truth for the most part. One of my friends his dad use to beat him up just for fun, well at 14 he joined a gang and actually commited about 5 or 6 drive by's. He rob a bunch of liquor stores and some other things he never told me about cause he said it was pretty shitty.[/QUOTE]

Yea people usually do join "gangs" because they feel a need for family and feel accepted. But, I don't know what you mean by "you have to live there to know what it's all about", I can tell you that justifying killings in the name of bad temper is stupid, it doesn't matter if you're a so called "gangsta".

I was born on the Southwest Side of Chicago (albeit the little Italy part), and then spent a little while on the West Side before my parents were able to move to the burbs, and even now I can see stupid gangster shit starting to spread back into the towns surrounding Chicago. It was bad when I was younger, we always listened to "gang awareness" preaching about the latin kings and gangster disciples. I was surrounded by idiots who thought it would be cool to be a gang member and would PRACTICE gang signs. Then it died off for a little, and now I can tell it's starting to go back to that shit. And no, I just didn't get schooled on it, my whole family got sucked into some stupid fake ass gangster shit.

I'll never understand the allure of the thug life, do people really think there is a lot of money to go around in a gang? 90% of gangs are UNorganized crime, they do shit so sloppy it makes you wonder how the majority of them still exist. (I guess it's just bad luck that 2 of the more prominent gangs in the country are based here, then you see all the stupid ass copy cats pop up, and that's where you get a LOT of this stupid violence and idiocy)

The word gangster no longer holds as a title, to me it's just a pop culture reference, a new slang word. I don't think that title ever held water with me, cause when I think of gangster I think of some stupid ass who thinks he's gettin money because he has a nice TV in the housing project and 20's on the 93 corolla, he thinks he's tough because he's strapped and "will kill anyone who disagrees on any matter", or because he smokes a blunt and wears his hat to the side. I think of someone who doesn't know what they're doing, garners NO REAL respect,, and is trying to be what he heard about. It may sound weird, but rap and idiots who joins these branch off gangs (they remind me off police precincts, it's fucking hilarious), have no doubt ruined the "traditional" gangster for me.

People (especially parents) are tired of having to avoid this side and that side of town. Tired of wondering what color is OK and what color isn't. Me? I still go through the wild 100's if I have to, still through the west side. Yea it's dangerous, but I refuse to have PETTY thugs dictate where I can go and where I can't. But, I'm not going to stroll through that shit for fun either.

"The rappers wanna be gangsters and the gangsters wanna be rappers". Thumbs up Proof, you are a real winner.


EDIT: Something I read that sums up some of my rant and dislike for these "new" gangsters... "Gangs are no longer true to their origins, their traditions and identifiers have been distorted, diluted, and changed".
 
I believe he was referring to "gangsta" rap in general. Why they portray themselves as thugs.

Not Proof.

[quote name='sblymnlcrymnl']Well, that interview is from April '01. :lol:[/QUOTE]
I know. He was talking like he was the be all, know all of the rap game. His predictions don't hold weight.
 
[quote name='zewone']I believe he was referring to "gangsta" rap in general. Why they portray themselves as thugs.

Not Proof.


I know. He was talking like he was the be all, know all of the rap game. His predictions don't hold weight.[/QUOTE]I'd say Kanye both validates and kills his predictions. :lol:
 
I never got into D-12 or Proof's music, but I do know he worked closely with J Dilla; so for that I respect him. RIP.

These guys are the heart and soul of Detroit hip-hop and now they're gone. They deserve respect. Detroit deserves respect.

To those who try to label all hip-hop as bad and trash are simply uneducated. Blanket statements are almost always false. Turn off the radio, listen to the lesser knowns of Hip-hop & you might be suprised to find some music you like.
 
[quote name='itspaidgasterblaster']I live about 20 minutes from south central La. If i go anywhere near it at 4 am. and all of a sudden i get shot in the face whose fault is it.[/quote]

[quote name='sblymnlcrymnl']I wouldn't go so far as to say it's your fault (as long as you aren't doing anything stupid), but I would say you're asking for it. :lol:[/quote]

I live in South Central or South LA (the choice is yours) and I work at UPS at night I leave my house at 12:00 midnight and come home at 4am-5am (depends on workload) and have not been shot in the head and I'm not asking for it. If you are scared of South Central that's your problem but don't make assumptions of my community.

I have to agree with Zew most of you don't know anything about Hip-Hop and I get tired of having to defend it as genre that has been around for over 25 years. Just like any other genre there are good and bad artists and it is the listener's own opinion of what is good and what is not.

P.S. If you need help on good Hip-Hop look at all of the posts of songs I put in the song of the moment threads. The ones before the "nigger rap"(racism) one are better.
 
I really like certain types of rap/hip-hop music I just think the whole "gangsta" angle is played out. We get it already. It's just like if some whiny rock band writes another song about getting dumped - done to death.
 
R.I.P Proof.

It doesn't surprise me that people are blaming Rap for this even though we don't even know what happened in that club yet.
These same people are the one's that blame Videogames for violence also, even though violent crime has gone down every year for the past 10+ years.
 
[quote name='MadChedar0']I never got into D-12 or Proof's music, but I do know he worked closely with J Dilla; so for that I respect him. RIP.

These guys are the heart and soul of Detroit hip-hop and now they're gone. They deserve respect. Detroit deserves respect.

To those who try to label all hip-hop as bad and trash are simply uneducated. Blanket statements are almost always false. Turn off the radio, listen to the lesser knowns of Hip-hop & you might be suprised to find some music you like.[/quote]

I'll say this much, I'd say 90% of best selling hip-hop today is style way over substance or creativity. But I would say the same thing about most popular music genres. That's the way commercialism is. I listened to a lot of hip-hop growing up and I might sound like an old fart, but it was much better then.

In regards to Proof all I'll say is people HAVE to find a better way to deal with or diffuse situations. Whether people like him or not, death doesn't really help anything. I know it's easier said than done, but my sister had a friend murdered in high school because shit got out of control. A few years ago we had a top track athlete get murdered after a meet because of a dispute on the track that carried over to the streets that same evening.

I don't blame rap as a whole, people are still responsible for their own actions. But comparing it to video games is apples and oranges. A lot of (not all) people DO try to live their music whether it be jazz, punk, goth, metal, country or hip-hop. Clothing, speech, and attitude are influenced by it.
 
[quote name='captaincold']R.I.P Proof.

It doesn't surprise me that people are blaming Rap for this even though we don't even know what happened in that club yet.
These same people are the one's that blame Videogames for violence also, even though violent crime has gone down every year for the past 10+ years.[/QUOTE]

I don't think anyone is trying to blame rap for this incident.

However, the two dumb assholes who pulled guns on eachother over what is most likely a stupid ass argument? Yes.

EDIT: Screw it. I don't feel like passing off information from SOHH as it's most likely going to wrong and/or contain bad journalism.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK'] but it was much better then....
[/QUOTE]
I remember you reminiscing over Tribe and De La a while back. So if they were hot when you were on the come up, then I whole heartedly agree (hot meaning radio play).

I think the genre is ripe for another turning point... the commercial sound needs to change at least. Perhaps the consious mcs will make a comeback.

[quote name='GuilewasNK']
In regards to Proof all I'll say is people HAVE to find a better way to deal with or diffuse situations.
[/QUOTE]
True.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']You aren't missing much.

I tend to prefer older groups like De La Soul, , Slick Rick, Tribe, Black Sheep, Nice and Smooth, Camp Lo, Audio Two, KRS One, Pharcyde, Lords of the Underground, Bahamadia, Doug E. Fresh.

Madlib is cool and Aceyalone I usually like.[/QUOTE]

Jaylib is cooler. Get Donuts.
 
i dont know...i listened to donuts and i'm not really into it that much...it just seems like J dilla just put on a constant beat in the b/g and just messed around with some prerecorded vocals and instruments...

maybe i'm just not used to it yet
 
LoL I used to live in the ghetto of long beach across the river from compton. now I live in westwood. How's that change for you?

and yeah, despite everything the ghetto of long beach was not that bad at all. Only problem was it was dirty and all that mariachi music. But damn hoodlums................... Kids need some good old fashioned disciprine.
 
[quote name='JSweeney']If what's coming out in the news in Detroit now is true, Proof deserved what he got.

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060412/NEWS99/60412004[/quote]

According to people real close to him, it is. It is just sad to throw your life away. It is just bullshit. At the very least think about your fans. You die and you don't make shit for them. Now your family has to put you in the ground over what? Some fucking words and a bad temper. Grow the fuck up. This angers me to no end. He wasted his talent and life over some bullshit that could have been avoided. It just progresses the bad name rap and it's artists get. Oh well, nobody wins when someone pulls a gun.
 
[quote name='Kayden']Anyone this stupid deserves to be dead?[/quote]


No, but for what he did he got what he deserved. I mean when you shoot a guy and then start pistol whipping them in the face. Yeah you deserve to be shot. Supposedly the bouncer who shot Proof was the cousin of the guy that Proof shot and was pistol whipping. I wonder if he would have gotten shot if it wasn't the bouncer's friend or family.
 
[quote name='Kendal']No, but for what he did he got what he deserved. I mean when you shoot a guy and then start pistol whipping them in the face. Yeah you deserve to be shot. Supposedly the bouncer who shot Proof was the cousin of the guy that Proof shot and was pistol whipping. I wonder if he would have gotten shot if it wasn't the bouncer's friend or family.[/QUOTE]

He would've probably still gotten shot even if the bouncer wasn't related. It's their job to handle situations like that and since Proof had a gun the other bouncer had no choice but to shoot him.
 
[quote name='2poor']More like FTL.[/QUOTE]

That works, too.

I've always prefered "FTW" in a sarcastic sense, though.
 
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