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...at least until it sells. if it sells.

http://cgi.ebay.com/SNES-ZELDA-III-...6QQihZ011QQcategoryZ62053QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


stickers + handwriting FTW!

his one was obtained at a garage sale by Jollerancher a few weeks ago from an ex Nintendo guy. It was then sold to me through eBay. I have compared the first menues as well as some of the in-game to the released version, but I can't see any direct differences to it.
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it's a proto debug version that's exactly like the final version. hmmm...


bought it originally for $1200

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4315&item=8292842577
 
lol I think that guy got conned.

I've got tons of "rare proto" NES games to sell him... let me just rip some labels off, take a piece of tape, and write "SMB 3" on it. Sure, it has no changes, but trust me, I got it from an Ex Nintendo guy at a garage sale, my story is believable!
 
I have a lot of beat-up old super nintendo games that I cleaned up a while back that look like that.. can I sell them for 1,500 bucks a piece? :[
 
So because you don't know what you're talking about, it's obviously a fake? :roll: I'm not saying that I do know what to look for, but it's not like these prototypes don't exist, and most of them look similar to this. Anyone who would be interested in throwing down this type of money knows what they're getting in to, and the guy has offered to answer questions from buyers.

So what's the problem?
 
Agree with above post. The original auction by jollerancher has tons of pics of everything he said he got. Why someone would pay $1300 is beyond me, but i am inclined to believe the guy.
 
[quote name='Genocidal']So because you don't know what you're talking about, it's obviously a fake? :roll: I'm not saying that I do know what to look for, but it's not like these prototypes don't exist, and most of them look similar to this. Anyone who would be interested in throwing down this type of money knows what they're getting in to, and the guy has offered to answer questions from buyers.

So what's the problem?[/QUOTE]


Stickers + Handwriting FT$1500. never said there was a problem, relax. it's gonna be okay. and if it's real....stickers + handwriting for the win.
 
I never singled anyone's post out, although a lot can be inferred from your original post that you're highly skeptical and others have echoed your sentiments. I'm just trying to set the facts straight here.
 
[quote name='Genocidal']I never singled anyone's post out, although a lot can be inferred from your original post that you're highly skeptical and others have echoed your sentiments. I'm just trying to set the facts straight here.[/QUOTE]

Of course people are skeptical... it is a blank cartridge with tape and handwriting? I can go ahead and rip the label off my Super Mario Bros 3, slap some tape on it, call it a "prototype", and sell it to this guy as well.

I mean, does he really expect to get $1,500 for it? We have no proof it's NOT a prototype, but there is no proof to tell us that it IS one.

I think this guy got scammed out of 1,200 for a Zelda someone just ripped the label off of... which is actually a pretty decent con.
 
Why do you think its a fake? Its not poissible for prototypes/betas to exist? Funny, because alot of members at DP own dozens, hundreds, thousands of these. If they didn't, we would never have gotten Earthbound Zero and MANY other games that would have simply faded off into memory.

About the game in question...How do you know its fake? Because it has a label on it and looks like a normal SNES game? Have you seen the inside of the cartridge? Would you even know what a normal SNES game looks like in comparison to a Beta, Prototype, Demo, Test cartridge? C'mon.
 
someone probably will buy it. (there are a lot of bored people with money at digitpress apparently.) EDIT: someone did for the same price.

as for the source, it was from the Jollerancher haul. jollerancher is now putting up stuff people didn't know existed (some Ken griffey jr. game) but I'm still very skeptical of him..there's no way a host of the nintendo world championship would own earthbound protos, zelda protos and everything else. the NWC and Starfox carts are believable though.

but all that is besides the point. it's the same as a Snes cart...but it has stickers and handwriting! :rofl:

hy do you think its a fake? Its not poissible for prototypes/betas to exist? Funny, because alot of members at DP own dozens, hundreds, thousands of these. If they didn't, we would never have gotten Earthbound Zero and MANY other games that would have simply faded off into memory.

About the game in question...How do you know its fake? Because it has a label on it and looks like a normal SNES game? Have you seen the inside of the cartridge? Would you even know what a normal SNES game looks like in comparison to a Beta, Prototype, Demo, Test cartridge? C'mon.
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never said it was a fake...though I am skeptical. I know prototypes/betas/demos etc. exist. I know what digitpress is. did you click the links or did you just start typing?
it doesn't have a normal snes label. it has a white label that says "Zelda 3." inside it has stickers with some stamped stuff on it (a rubber stamp like that could easily be made at any hardware store) and the seller said there were no differences from the other zelda 3.


but just cause I'm being questioned doesn't mean I'm wrong...I'd like to see evidence otherwise.
 
He sold MANY prototypes to many individuals at DP. People that have received them confirmed they are real.

As for you're 'haha its a snes cart'....whats the point? Have you ever seen a Proto before? Most looks JUST like a normal cartridge with a handwritten label. They carts/boards are often reused MANY times for different games, and this one happened to have Zelda on it.

But ok, the seller got 'pwned'. You know so much about Prototypes and there existence, I'm sorry. Its like the morons who collect baseball cards with signatures...there just the carts with stupid ink on it! :roll:
 
This reminds me that I need to sell my ultra rare copy of FF7 on ebay. It has a series of circular scratches on it put there by Sephiroth himself!!!
 
[quote name='Apossum']but just cause I'm being questioned doesn't mean I'm wrong...I'd like to see evidence otherwise.[/quote]Show him the cash and I'm sure he'd love to give you proof that it's legit. Otherwise, this guy's got no reason to prove it, which IMO is a good thing, otherwise who knows how many of these handwritten labelled games that claim to be protos we'll see on eBay! :roll:
 
[quote name='Genocidal']Show him the cash and I'm sure he'd love to give you proof that it's legit. [/QUOTE]


exactly. proof shmoof, anyone can make up a good story, especially if there's big bucks involved.

He sold MANY prototypes to many individuals at DP. People that have received them confirmed they are real.

As for you're 'haha its a snes cart'....whats the point? Have you ever seen a Proto before? Most looks JUST like a normal cartridge with a handwritten label. They carts/boards are often reused MANY times for different games, and this one happened to have Zelda on it.

But ok, the seller got 'pwned'. You know so much about Prototypes and there existence, I'm sorry. Its like the morons who collect baseball cards with signatures...there just the carts with stupid ink on it!
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jeez. were you the guy who bought it or something? :lol:

well, the seller didn't get pwned, because there are other bored people with too much money apparently...he broke even and I'm happy for him. Obviously, he realized what a dumb purchase it was as soon as he received it, so he just relisted it and sold it for the same price.

btw, how are they confirmed to be real? oh, they've got stickers and handwriting on them. and maybe the board is different (which could be from anywhere.) does anyone know 100%? nope. only the people who worked on the games. it would be extremely easy to fake one of these and no one would be able to tell.

anyway, you totally missed the part where I said I don't care if it's real-- there's nothing special or interesting about what the guy bought. it's the same game. No "hot coffee" scene with Zelda and Link (hot rupies?), no extra levels, no nothing. he paid $1200 for Zelda: Link to the Past, which you can find anywhere for $5.

p.s. one time i doubted jollerancher in a post and he got very pissed and threatened for me not to "dance" with him. yeah, those are the words of someone with nothing to hide :lol:
 
So whats the point of this thread? The guy who bought the game simply wanted to sell it because he really did not want it. Thats it. Again, you obviously have no idea on what a Prototype really is, otherwise you would know this has a good chance of being real. Ask some of the members at DP about there collections Are they all fake? Why do you assume this one is? Handwritten label? Take a look at pictures of other prototypes first and then get back to me.
 
[quote name='gizmogc']So whats the point of this thread? The guy who bought the game simply wanted to sell it because he really did not want it. Thats it. Again, you obviously have no idea on what a Prototype really is, otherwise you would know this has a good chance of being real. Ask some of the members at DP about there collections Are they all fake? Why do you assume this one is? Handwritten label? Take a look at pictures of other prototypes first and then get back to me.[/QUOTE]

the point is that 2 people bought this game for $1200 with only some handwritten labels as proof of it being a prototype...IT'S THE SAME GAME. IT'S FUNNY. HA HA. relax, deep breaths. try not to get bent out of shape about everything that gets posted in this forum.
 
[quote name='Apossum']the point is that 2 people bought this game for $1200 with only some handwritten labels as proof of it being a prototype...IT'S THE SAME GAME. IT'S FUNNY. HA HA. relax, deep breaths. try not to get bent out of shape about everything that gets posted in this forum.[/QUOTE]

Actually isn't the picture of the cartridges boards in the auction showing more than just a handwritten label
 
[quote name='thetoxicone']Actually isn't the picture of the cartridges boards in the auction showing more than just a handwritten label[/QUOTE]

handwritten labels....on boards. if there's something else to look for on the boards, I'm not seeing it. it would be nice if someone could educate me about that instead of questioning my logic :lol: I would think that someone could easily flash another board with zelda and call it a proto though...as far as i know.

there's a simpsons quote for everything, though I usually keep my mouth shut...but this time, I can't resist!
"BEHOLD, OUT OF THE MISTS OF TIME, THE LEGENDARY ESQUILAX, A HORSE WITH THE HEAD OF A RABBIT, AND THE BODY OF....of a rabbit." :lol:
 
from "much apu about nothing"

Homer: Ah, not a bear in sight. The Bear Patrol must be working like a charm!
Lisa: That's specious reasoning, Dad.
Homer: Thank you, honey.
Lisa: By your logic, I could claim that this rock keeps tigers away!
Homer: Uh-huh, and how does it work?
Lisa: It doesn't work.
Homer: Uh-huh.
Lisa: It's just a stupid rock.
Homer: Uh-huh.
Lisa: But I don't see any tigers around here, do you?
Homer: (Looks around) Lisa, I'd like to buy your rock.
 
australian: You call that a knife, THIS is a knife!

marge: that's not a knife, that's a spoon.

australian: ahhh, I see you've played knifey-spoony before

:lol:
 
[quote name='Apossum']handwritten labels....on boards. if there's something else to look for on the boards, I'm not seeing it. it would be nice if someone could educate me about that instead of questioning my logic :lol: I would think that someone could easily flash another board with zelda and call it a proto though...as far as i know.

there's a simpsons quote for everything, though I usually keep my mouth shut...but this time, I can't resist!
"BEHOLD, OUT OF THE MISTS OF TIME, THE LEGENDARY ESQUILAX, A HORSE WITH THE HEAD OF A RABBIT, AND THE BODY OF....of a rabbit." :lol:[/quote]

From what I know, it has somethign to do with the Boards. Prototypes are usually found on Erasable EPROM boards or EEPROMS, as opposed to the EPROM boards that can only be used once whihc is when you find on the mass produced games. These are so the prototypes can be easily erased and destroyed.
 
The chips on the board are what is important here. The label/cart means nothing. The chips are clearly EEPROMS. Though they can be faked, it is much more difficult to do than some of you may believe.

If any of you naysayers actually opened your Zelda III cart, it would look nothing like the one in the auction. Some of you should do your homework before spouting off about "LOL D00DZ GOT RIPPED."

$1200 is too rich for my blood, especially for a cart that has no differences in game code from the retail release. IMO that makes the cart worth a LOT less. Now, the carts with unlealeased prototypes, or games that differ significantly I could see throwing down that kind of jack.
 
The chips on the board are what is important here. The label/cart means nothing. The chips are clearly EEPROMS. Though they can be faked, it is much more difficult to do than some of you may believe.

If any of you naysayers actually opened your Zelda III cart, it would look nothing like the one in the auction. Some of you should do your homework before spouting off about "LOL D00DZ GOT RIPPED."

$1200 is too rich for my blood, especially for a cart that has no differences in game code from the retail release. IMO that makes the cart worth a LOT less. Now, the carts with unlealeased prototypes, or games that differ significantly I could see throwing down that kind of jack.
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thanks for the explanation.

but nah, no one is really required to do homework about this...prototype videogames are a pretty obscure hobby by anyone's terms. kinda funny how I was expected to just know as if it were common knowledge :lol:

so how much does your average blank EEPROM go for? real or not, $1200 is a rip..but I hope I find some protos to sell someday!
 
[quote name='Apossum']thanks for the explanation.

but nah, no one is really required to do homework about this...prototype videogames are a pretty obscure hobby by anyone's terms. kinda funny how I was expected to just know as if it were common knowledge :lol:

so how much does your average blank EEPROM go for? real or not, $1200 is a rip..but I hope I find some protos to sell someday![/QUOTE]

For someone who posts an entire thread about how stupid it is SHOULD do there homework just a bit. Had you even looked at any other prototype, you would realize 75% of them have handwritten/typed labels on them. But again, labels do not matter, its whats INSIDE them that does. The board inside the Zelda III IS different.

And for the poster above, did they ever compare the gamecode yet? The new seller assumes its the same game, but there may be slight changes (colors, items, rooms, etc). Hopefully the new owner will actually go through and do some comparisons.
 
I figured it was a board difference...but notice how i've said 15 times that even if it is real, it's a total waste of money ;-)
 
[quote name='sevdustflyer']This reminds me that I need to sell my ultra rare copy of FF7 on ebay. It has a series of circular scratches on it put there by Sephiroth himself!!![/QUOTE]

I don't know why, but I found that post to be pretty funny.

On to the topic at hand, before I'd ever bid $1,200 on a "protoype" game I'd want a lot more proof than some guy's story and a label made up of a piece of tape. Show me serial numbers or a build version, anything that can actually identify it as a prototype. This game may be the real deal indeed, but with the proof provided (or lack of in this case) I don't see any reason to bid on it.
 
I don't get it. Prototype or not, it's the same game... I don't care if that particular cart was handcrafted by Jesus Christ himself. $1200 is ridiculous.
 
[quote name='Rei no Otaku']I don't get it. Prototype or not, it's the same game... I don't care if that particular cart was handcrafted by Jesus Christ himself. $1200 is ridiculous.[/quote]
Exactly. I wouldn't pay that much for anything video game related ever, especially something that's identical (in most ways) to the original, WHICH CAN BE FRICKIN' DOWNLOADED.

Not that I'm advocating ROMs, but sheesh!
 
[quote name='Rei no Otaku']I don't get it. Prototype or not, it's the same game... I don't care if that particular cart was handcrafted by Jesus Christ himself. $1200 is ridiculous.[/QUOTE]

Are you kidding? A cart made by jesus would be worth billions. I can see some Christian coalition going on TV right now and raising a ton of money to buy it off me from eBAY if I owned one :lol:
 
[quote name='Z-Saber']Exactly. I wouldn't pay that much for anything video game related ever, especially something that's identical (in most ways) to the original, WHICH CAN BE FRICKIN' DOWNLOADED.

Not that I'm advocating ROMs, but sheesh![/QUOTE]

Humans are attracted to tangible items, which is why physical collections are appealing over roms.

I personally only collect CD-based systems and sold all my cartridges, but that doesn't make me any better :lol:
 
[quote name='captainfrizo']I don't know why, but I found that post to be pretty funny.

On to the topic at hand, before I'd ever bid $1,200 on a "protoype" game I'd want a lot more proof than some guy's story and a label made up of a piece of tape. Show me serial numbers or a build version, anything that can actually identify it as a prototype. This game may be the real deal indeed, but with the proof provided (or lack of in this case) I don't see any reason to bid on it.[/QUOTE]

Did you look at the pictures? Did you see the gameboard? Ok, now get you're copy of Zelda and open it up. Compare. Its different. Now, its either a VERY good fake, or a prototype.

This guy who originally found it also found a BUNCH of others. He sold many to various members over at DP. Some have received them and confirmed they are real prototypes. So, unless this guy decided to make one fake, its real. And if this guy decided to fake and sell numerous copys to DP members....he is in a world of shit. Those people can get NASTY.

Why is everyone having a hard time beleiving prototypes exist? There are MANY games that would have never surfaced unless people obtained them, and then dumped them (Earthbound Zero for instance).
 
[quote name='gizmogc']Did you look at the pictures? Did you see the gameboard? Ok, now get you're copy of Zelda and open it up. Compare. Its different. Now, its either a VERY good fake, or a prototype.

This guy who originally found it also found a BUNCH of others. He sold many to various members over at DP. Some have received them and confirmed they are real prototypes. So, unless this guy decided to make one fake, its real. And if this guy decided to fake and sell numerous copys to DP members....he is in a world of shit. Those people can get NASTY.

Why is everyone having a hard time beleiving prototypes exist? There are MANY games that would have never surfaced unless people obtained them, and then dumped them (Earthbound Zero for instance).[/QUOTE]

Hey, calm down. There's no need to get upset and defensive over this issue.

All I'm saying is that I don't see any reason to bid on the auction the way it was presented. I am in no way an expert at gameboards, so even if I were to open up my copy I still wouldn't know what exactly I was looking at. Even then, who's to say Nintendo didn't revise the gameboards at one point or another at production, hense any differences (i.e. they changed a circuit or something from the original release to the Player's Choice line).

My original comments were mostly directed towards (or least I thought they were) the extremely vague description of the auction. Anyone in the world could claim that something is special, but unless it's verified by experts there's no valid proof (and before you mention it - I don't remember the seller ever giving specific names or comments from the "experts" who verified it).

So, unless you're an expert at gameboards from the SNES era and could easily identify (and believe) the markings on the gameboard as being those of a prototype and/or believe his claims that "experts" have verified its authenticity

Could that be a true prototype? Sure. It could be. Again, I'm no expert and you do know a good bit more than I do about gameboards. However, given the auction itself I personally don't see a reason to buy/bid on it.

As for prototypes existing in general: before any company puts any product of any type into mass production they always need to come up with prototypes to test and then go through proper revision. That's good business practice and common sense.
 
First off these fuckers can go to hell. They buy the game dirt cheap then sell it really high.

Not just last three weeks ago this guy brought six StarFox specials for less then 40cents a pop and it sells for 300-600 dollars.
 
[quote name='RegalSin2020']First off these fuckers can go to hell. They buy the game dirt cheap then sell it really high.

Not just last three weeks ago this guy brought six StarFox specials for less then 40cents a pop and it sells for 300-600 dollars.[/QUOTE]


this cart originated from that guy.

and if you find any protos and wanna sell them at the price you paid, please PM me immediately :lol:


Did you look at the pictures? Did you see the gameboard? Ok, now get you're copy of Zelda and open it up. Compare. Its different. Now, its either a VERY good fake, or a prototype.

This guy who originally found it also found a BUNCH of others. He sold many to various members over at DP. Some have received them and confirmed they are real prototypes. So, unless this guy decided to make one fake, its real. And if this guy decided to fake and sell numerous copys to DP members....he is in a world of shit. Those people can get NASTY.

Why is everyone having a hard time beleiving prototypes exist? There are MANY games that would have never surfaced unless people obtained them, and then dumped them (Earthbound Zero for instance).
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I think everyone here understands that protos exist. it's the whole "same game" thing that makes it funny.

As far as fakes go-- about these blank EEPROMs, if someone got a bunch of them, then copied games to them and made stickers like that, nobody in the world would be wiser since protos are copied to these blank carts anyway, right?

If the numbers are different on every proto anyway, there really isn't anyway to know 100% if the proto was copied by a programmer unless it's something unique with build dates and obvious differences from the retail game.

I do know that protos with the final version exist too though-- my friend had Batman and Bugs Bunny's Birthday NES protoypes that were identical to the real games when I was like 8 years old.
 
Most of you are acting like you've never seen junk sell for a ton of money. I've seen fucking hurricane air sell on ebay, it doesn't surprise me that a prototype snes cart is selling for $1200.
 
[quote name='Apossum']this cart originated from that guy.

and if you find any protos and wanna sell them at the price you paid, please PM me immediately :lol:

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Ohhh Yeahhh I remember him now he was talking about this garage sale from a retired Nintendo employee. I heard he also got the only know exsistance of Mother.


dastly75
Most of you are acting like you've never seen junk sell for a ton of money. I've seen ing hurricane air sell on ebay, it doesn't surprise me that a prototype snes cart is selling for $1200.
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It's just after seing six of the same sought after carts it makes me sick that I was even thinking about buying one.
 
[quote name='RegalSin2020']Ohhh Yeahhh I remember him now he was talking about this garage sale from a retired Nintendo employee. I heard he also got the only know exsistance of Mother.

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the guy supposedly worked on the Nintendo World Championship tour...the main reason why I'm skeptical of Jollerancher. what business would a NWC guy have with Earthbound and Zelda protos (the NWC cart and Star Fox carts are understandable though...)
 
He picked up a College Tour Cart too (something to that effect). I don't think it was the NWC one. There have been no known prototypes to ever exisit (even comes with a phone cord...weird shit)
 
i just got finished making some more fake games. i made a fake 1994 super nintendo powerfest competiton cart with the games super mario bros" the lost levels", super mario kart, and ken griffey jr presents major league baseball. i also made a fake 1992 super famicom champion challenge cart with the games super mario world, f-zero, and pilotwings. you can go to this link to view pics if you like: http://pixpipeline.com/users/jollerancher . gotta go now and make some fake nwc gold carts. peace!!!
 
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