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Most Disgusting Promotional Tactic

1. TNA Signing Pacman Jones/Making it Rain - 317 pts.
2. Vince McMahon's death
3. WWE's entire handling of post-benoit re: Steriods
4. Hornswoggle as Vince's illegitament son
5. Giant Khali as World Champion
6. WWE doing Benoit tribute show

Ok, I see why that's terrible now, but that Monday night? I didn't think anything was confirmed (although guys like Regal were really acting odd).

For that matter, Great Khali as champion was sort of a forced thing. Hell, Edge was brought over specifically to give UT/Batista time to heal then his ass got hurt. What else could have been done?

Their first four choices were spot on.
 
Any list with the Canadian Destroyer on it loses credibility.

I'm sorry, Observer. I can't understand you - you've got ROH's balls in your mouth. ;)
 
[quote name='Halo05']Most Disgusting Promotional Tactic

6. WWE doing Benoit tribute show

Ok, I see why that's terrible now, but that Monday night? I didn't think anything was confirmed (although guys like Regal were really acting odd).
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I agree with you... WWE may or may not have known something ugly had happened, but they were in a tight spot. If the news timelines are any indication, the first word that it was a murder/suicide came during the tribute show. If they had gone on as planned with the original show (Who Kiled Vince McMahon) it would have been completely tasteless.

So, pinned between a rock and a hard place, they went with the "might be ugly" move instead of the "definitely stupid and tasteless" move. The only other option would have been to cancel and saddle USA viewers with 3 hours of Monk reruns. Or maybe just run a classic (circa late 2000-early 2001) episode of Monday Nitro?
 
That list, as usual, stinks.

That's, like, their opinion, though, man.

*shrug*
 
Holy crap, Warlord looks *good* for his age. That's a nice pic.

Can't say the same about ol' Smash. Man, the harsh, cold reality of time permeates that fuckin' picture.
 
[quote name='Zen Davis']

To take full advantage of the high-definition platform, a radically redesigned entrance set will be shared by all three of WWE's signature shows.[/QUOTE]

That could potentially be lame. How are they going to distinguish between brands or give each show its own identity if the only difference would be color at the most?

I guess we'll see whats up Monday night.
 
Well, the wrestling's nearly the goddamned same, and the characters equally paperthin (let alone the fact that they appear on every show with some regularity, esp. ECW and SD), that this shared set won't make much of a difference.

The lack of a titantron is interesting, and it's nice to see - in the absence of the pomp and circumstance of a grandiose entrance, guys will have to be able to wrestle to get over.
 
[quote name='Halo05']Most Disgusting Promotional Tactic

1. TNA Signing Pacman Jones/Making it Rain - 317 pts.
2. Vince McMahon's death
3. WWE's entire handling of post-benoit re: Steriods
4. Hornswoggle as Vince's illegitament son
5. Giant Khali as World Champion
6. WWE doing Benoit tribute show

Ok, I see why that's terrible now, but that Monday night? I didn't think anything was confirmed (although guys like Regal were really acting odd).

For that matter, Great Khali as champion was sort of a forced thing. Hell, Edge was brought over specifically to give UT/Batista time to heal then his ass got hurt. What else could have been done?

Their first four choices were spot on.[/QUOTE]Agreed on your point about item #6. Completely unfair. I'm never sure what these critics actually think WWE should have done in that situation. They cancelled the show, they scrapped the angle that was supposed to take them through the summer, they had real people discuss their real feelings on Benoit in a panicked situation... what more could anyone have expected?
 
Halo05, it was known via the Observer and other written publications that WWE knew about the Benoit murders before the show aired. Most are fairly sympathetic about it, since WWE was in a lose-lose situation that night - they were obligated to deliver a three our-long show, had to cancel their existing show due to it, and even though some in the company knew what had happened, the general public didn't know, so them not airing the show would seem very odd.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Well, the wrestling's nearly the goddamned same, and the characters equally paperthin (let alone the fact that they appear on every show with some regularity, esp. ECW and SD), that this shared set won't make much of a difference.

[/QUOTE]

That's what I'm saying. If the only difference between shows is the roster and the name on the apron, why not just have one show? They killed any resemblance of ECW to its namesake. Why not just have Tuesday and Friday night Raw?

[quote name='mykevermin']The lack of a titantron is interesting, and it's nice to see - in the absence of the pomp and circumstance of a grandiose entrance, guys will have to be able to wrestle to get over.[/QUOTE]

What on earth is HHH going to do with out his flashy lights and such? Spitting water in the air can only look so cool without that stuff. :roll:
 
[quote name='Zen Davis']Regarding the Undeniable PPV, Nigel slapped the shit out of Morishima.

That is all.[/quote]

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January 20th: Nigel McGuinness retained the ROH World Title against Go Shiozaki yesterday in Tokyo, Japan at the historic Korakuen Hall. McGuinness sent word that he couldn't be more ready for his Steel Cage World Title Match against Chris Hero this Friday in Dayton. McGuinness says once he finishes off Hero for good, he will silence Roderick Strong this Saturday in Chicago. Strong insists that he will break his World Title curse and finally win the World Title on Saturday. This will easily be Nigel's toughest weekend as Champion, but after defeating Shiozaki and keeping the prestige of the belt high in Japan, he now has momentum.

January 20th: We are sorry to report that The Necro Butcher will not be able to make this Friday's event in Dayton. He will still be in Chicago. Jimmy Jacobs told the Age Of The Fall followers not to despair. Jacobs sent word that he has recently heard from a top talent that is not in ROH that believes in the Age Of The Fall cause. Jacobs says that this man has a reason to hate society. This individual will team with Jacobs in Dayton on Friday against Roderick Strong & Rocky Romero. Jacobs would not give us any other hints as to who it is besides the fact he has been a champion in other promotions, he has a reason to rebel against society and he is not on the current ROH roster. Get tickets for 35% off now at ROHwrestling.com.

January 20th: Larry Sweeney insists that after Chris Hero wins the World Title in Dayton, he will prove what kind of double champion he is by defending the Intergender Heavyweight Tag Team Titles Of The World with Sara Del Rey on Saturday in Chicago. ROH officials are still not recognizing those Larry Sweeney created titles.

January 20th: Austin Aries will be the special guest for the question & answer session as part of the mini-convention this Friday in Dayton. Aries will be available to answer questions from the fans while the Steel Cage is being set up. There will also be several ROH wrestlers available for autographs in Dayton.

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January 20th: ROH is finalizing another new talent negotiation. We should have an announcement on Tuesday including his debut weekend and first matches.

January 20th: Don't forget, you can see ROH "Undeniable" today at 3pm and tonight at 9pm at iN DEMAND's primary PPV channel. There are less replays of "Undeniable" so don't miss your opportunity to witness history when Nigel McGuinness fights Takeshi Morishima for the World Title. Don't listen to our hype, just look at what the fans are saying after seeing the "Undeniable" premiere last Friday:

"Big thumbs up for the show, I’ve purchased all 4 of the Ring of Honor pay per views, and I felt that this one was definitely the best one so far." - Albert Varlens at WrestlingObserver.com.

"These shows are such a good deal. You're pretty much guaranteed a few above *** matches each show for only $15. And they go their full two hours, instead of going off 15 minutes early. Way more entertaining than WWE." - Jason Seay at WrestlingObserver.com

"....there is no better wrestling PPV producer that pays as much attention to detail as ROH!" - Thomas Bobo at WrestlingObserver.com

"Another great effort from Ring of Honor on PPV. For $15 you get great matches, solid announcing and production, and a ton of stuff you wouldn't see elsewhere." - Jeff Schwartz at WrestlingObserver.com

"Another damn fine show from the folks at ROH." - Larry Csonka at 411mania.com
 
[quote name='Sporadic']Goddamn it, give me Wrestlemania 24 on HD-DVD and I'll be happy.[/quote]

i wish but doubtful. i could of sworn they were discussing about releasing them on bluray. It would make sense since liongate released their "Wwe films" on br already
 
[quote name='guyver2077']whats up with all the tna hate on that list...[/quote]

Because usually their shows are about as unwatchable as they come.
 
[quote name='Zen Davis']Because usually their shows are about as unwatchable as they come.[/QUOTE]

I hate to say it but I agree. TNA as of lately has been unwatchable. I can't even watch Impact without fast forwarding past a good chunk of the show let alone I can barely watch an TNA PPV off of a webcast for free. If TNA wants to survive... they need to get bookers who care about the product from every aspect from storyline to match booking. The talent is there buts its being misused badly.

Its a sad day when I can say that WWECW is better than TNA. Yeah its boring most of the time.... but at least the storylines make SENSE at least. Well compared to TNA they do at least.
 
The wrestling is pretty good on TNA at times, but it's not the focus of the show, the matches are inconsequential and lead nowhere (so even if you see a good match on TV, it doesn't provide you an incentive to watch next week to see if, say, Christopher Daniels will get a push, a promo, or a title shot - because you know he won't. You know better. You know it doesn't mean shit.

That and the storylines and writing are embarrassing. Not just uninteresting, but in that "man, I can't believe I like this shit, let alone tell other people I like it" sort of way. They give TV time to two guys (Chris Harris and Samoa Joe) whose entire gimmicks revolve around not getting enough TV time. They devote 12 minutes or so (which is probably 15% of the overall program discounting commercials) to the Shark Boy crap, which (1) has puns and jokes that would make your cheesy Uncle Jackie groan and aren't even clever enough for Spongebob Squarepants-caliber writing, but (2) are entirely meaningless, don't build towards a feud, a match...nothing.

It's crap, and it's meaningless crap. That's the problem with it. We know they can produce a show, because Global Impact was great - it made people look and act like human beings - which, as well all know, we don't love, nor hate, all humans naturally. The Kong/Kim feud shows they know how to book a traditional feud that's interesting and features good matches. At the end of the day, with the talent roster, time slot, and financial resources they have, it's appalling that the show is as dogshit bad as it is. It's akin to having a big Hollywood recording studio, all the original members of Metallica (perhaps stretching the metaphor too far, but bear with me), and all the time in the world to record an album. Behind the scenes, though, you have "Weird" Al Yankovic, Phil Collins, and Courtney Love producing everything and making important decisions, instead of a Rick Rubin-quality guy.

TNA has all the resources in the world, and they still manage to fuck their show up royally. There's a reason that people complain about the quality of TNA, and ignore how awful the average indy fed is (not ROH, Zen, so stop bitching before you start). Because the expectations of what TNA can and should do with those resources is understandably higher than the indy fed having the high school gymnasium show.

At the end of the day, they have nobody to blame but themselves.
 
The ironic thing about TNA is that their women's division is vastly superior to WWEs, and IIRC the TNA Knockouts matches have been getting higher ratings during their segments than the men. I enjoy the wrestling during the mens' matches but I just don't see the point of some of the gimmicks and angles they have going on.
 
Yeah. I gotta say that with Gail Kim and Kong, TNA's women division is awesome.

[quote name='mykevermin']TNA has all the resources in the world, and they still manage to fuck their show up royally. There's a reason that people complain about the quality of TNA, and ignore how awful the average indy fed is (not ROH, Zen, so stop bitching before you start). Because the expectations of what TNA can and should do with those resources is understandably higher than the indy fed having the high school gymnasium show.[/quote]
Oh come now. I wouldn't even have started that argument. I thought you would think more of me than that. ;)

ROH Undeniable Podcast (I can't speak to it's quality) - http://www.411mania.com/itunes/411larryandthewife11908rohundeniablebreakdown.mp3
 
What really frustrates me about TNA is that it wasn't always this way. I have 8 or 9 TNA DVDs and 90% of the stuff on them is phenomenal. I have the two AJ Styles DVDs which contain, between them, probably 16 very good to incredible matches. You couldn't even put together a third AJ DVD with the stuff he's been allowed to do these past couple of years.

I hate to say it, because I think he's an incredible wrestler but hiring Kurt Angle has been terrible for TNA. He hasn't brought in legions of fans and has only succeeded in going over pretty much every good wrestler that TNA initially had.

I could go on and on and cover guys like Abyss jobbing out to fucking Goldust but then I'll just piss myself off even more.

I fucking hate Vince Russo more than anyone else in the professional wrestling industry.
 
Global Impact showed three things.

01. TNA needs to get Impact out of Orlando.
02. They need to fire their current bookers.
03. Mike Tenay can be a good announcer. (West still suck)

It can easily be seen that everybody on the Japanese tour had more passion for what they were doing than anything we've seen on TNA since 05/06. It looked like they all knew it mattered to them what they were doing.

The production on the Global Impact show was miles and away better than the current Impact show and I really think they owe a lot to New Japan Pro Wrestling for the rub they gave TNA.

TNA can be good.

It just isn't.
 
[quote name='guyver2077']i wish but doubtful. i could of sworn they were discussing about releasing them on bluray. It would make sense since liongate released their "Wwe films" on br already[/QUOTE]

Genius Products distributes the current actual WWE wrestling DVDs and they are Weinstein, so there is hope.

Genius Products, LLC. has entered into a multi-year agreement with World Wrestling Entertainment, Inc. (WWE), to be the exclusive home entertainment distributor of all WWE DVD titles, effective November 1, 2006, a partnership that lays the foundation for a "Smackdown" on the entertainment industry.

The announcement was made today by Bob and Harvey Weinstein, Co-Chairmen of The Weinstein Company, the majority owner of Genius Products, and Vince McMahon, WWE's Chairman, along with Genius Products' Trevor Drinkwater, President and CEO, Genius Products' Stephen K. Bannon, Chairman, and WWE's Shane McMahon, Executive Vice President, Global Media, and Donna Goldsmith, Executive Vice President, Consumer Products.

http://corporate.wwe.com/news/2006/2006_10_17.jsp
 
Russo is bad, but Dutch Mantell is responsible for the awful Shark Boy stuff.

Russo seems to have some filter at TNA, which is good (but obviously not good enough). We don't have the title being hotshotted around, minimal dumbass work/shoot angles, and not so much of that "controversy" crap that's so boring in wrestling these days (because the writers too often misconstrue controversy with something offensive - like Katie Vick, J.R.'s "surgery" - or something stupid - like David Arquette as champ or the 2000 Bash at the Beach 'scandal').
 
Looking at TNA's roster makes me sad (and has made me sad for a while) because this roster SHOULD be used to have top-notch wrestling matches every week, and instead, they're mainly used as comedic figures, and given, at most, one chance a month to shine in a match.

TNA used to provide the best weekly show going in Impact, but it's become a running joke since Russo came back, as has their roster, and their titles, which are completely meaningless now. Except the knockouts belt - that's the only one TNA protects nowadays. Then you've got the PPVs, which were once considered THE BEST ONES, PERIOD, in 2005, especially during the summer when they had no national U.S. TV deal and just focused on having damn good wrestling shows, then they fell off a cliff in '06 before rebounding at times in 2007, but plagued with way too many backstage skits (except for BFG '07, which had very few of them, and they were actually somewhat dramatic).

Hopefully, TNA can get their shit together in '08, and if you're wondering why there's so much "anti-TNA stuff" on that list, you can blame TNA for alienating their audience, as the full issue shows you that TNA has won "best ____" awards in the past, including Tenay, who won something two years in a row and plummeted down to about 7th place this year.

"The Professor" Mike Tenay, who gives out wrestling history and makes you care about matches, their history, and the wrestlers in them worked, the "TO THE BACK!" Mike Tenay, with wacky facial expressions and stupid sayings, who isn't able to rattle off wrestling history, doesn't work.

Even Don West showed that he could be quite good on Global Impact at telling you about the history of a building, and just how much that match meant. If TNA actually provided a serious product, like Global Impact showed that they could, on a regular basis, they could be well on their way to achieving financial success.
 
IIRC, Hogan agreed to everything BUT that one comment, which is what led to him having a valid lawsuit, as Russo went into business for himself. Thank God former WCW World Heavyweight Champion, Vince Russo, was out there to stand up to a selfish man in wrestling.
 
[quote name='JJSP']Any list with the Canadian Destroyer on it loses credibility.

I'm sorry, Observer. I can't understand you - you've got ROH's balls in your mouth. ;)[/quote]

Obviously it's unrealistic... but it's still a damn cool move. I mean isn't the whole point of wrestling supposed to be action-based story lines that only work because people suspend belief? So.. uh.. just pretend it's real to you damnit. :p
 
[quote name='Halo05']I hate to say it, because I think he's an incredible wrestler but hiring Kurt Angle has been terrible for TNA. He hasn't brought in legions of fans and has only succeeded in going over pretty much every good wrestler that TNA initially had.[/quote]

Yep. The simple fact that TNA rushed, burned, and killed the Kurt Angle/Samoa Joe fued as quickly as they did speaks volumes of a LOT of the problems with TNA. Instead of building the fued and giving it time to build.... no let's push the whole thing in such a short time to the point of where nobody wants to see them even in the same building for several years.

Look at what WCW did right during the Sting/Hogan fued back in 1997. They dragged that out for a year if I recall correctly before they finally had their first in-ring match. Now while yes the wrong man went over that night (as in Hogan) the build was right. It made people not just want but NEED to see that match.

If TNA wants to get people into the product here's my ideas of what they need to do:

A) New bookers with fresh ideas for the company. That means Dutch Mantell and Vince Russo have to go. Heck even make calls to get someone like Paul Heyman into the company. Its time however for TNA to realize that the current people steering the ship are NOT taking TNA to where they need and by now should be (2.0+ ratings, good buyrates, etc).

B) Having Kurt Angle off of TV for 3-6 months. Have him still work at house shows/indy shows to keep him from getting rusty but right now TNA TV/PPV needs a big rest from Kurt Angle. It'll do wonders for TNA as a whole since we know most fans will be hungry to see Kurt wrestle again - and with new bookers it can allow some fueds that the previous people blew up badly (ie: Angle/Joe) to be redone correctly. And then make Angle a total heel who wins not by cheating but by wins by intelligent means - such as turning opponet's strengths into weaknesses. Yeah I know that sounds a bit like... oh....... Randy Orton but it certainly helps make the character interesting.

C) Rebuild Samoa Joe slowly. Drop the whole gimmick of his and rebuild him as an unbeatable monster who will destroy anything in his path. Get the fans to care about him again and cheer for him.

D) Fix the issues with people like Chris Harris and even Konnan. TNA had a LOT of special things with AMW. LAX was a LOT hotter when Konnan was the voice but now they are lost without the voice that helped LAX get over.

E) No more treating the X Division as a joke. That means no more Black Machismo. No more Guru. The X Division needs to go back to the high athleticism that made it popular. But in my booking I would start building personality behind the X Division talent that people CAN get behind both as faces and heels.

F) No more silly gimmicks. And certainly no more things like "Feast Or Fired" where you have a match on PPV but drag the outcome on TV for weeks on end.

G) And last but certainly most important..... GET RID OF DON WEST. Bring back Ed Fererra and let him along with Mike Tenay do the commentary. Watching the first few weeks of TNA Wednesday PPVs the commentary is good as long as you ignore the yelling from Don West. If not Fererra then at least get someone who can complement Mike Tenay.

Okay Myke.... whatcha think? What would you add to this or do differently.
 
[quote name='PhrostByte']but it's still a damn cool move.[/QUOTE]
[MEDIA]http://youtube.com/watch?v=F2virJYH23o[/MEDIA]
 
[quote name='Demolition Man']Yep. The simple fact that TNA rushed, burned, and killed the Kurt Angle/Samoa Joe fued as quickly as they did speaks volumes of a LOT of the problems with TNA. Instead of building the fued and giving it time to build.... no let's push the whole thing in such a short time to the point of where nobody wants to see them even in the same building for several years.

Look at what WCW did right during the Sting/Hogan fued back in 1997. They dragged that out for a year if I recall correctly before they finally had their first in-ring match. Now while yes the wrong man went over that night (as in Hogan) the build was right. It made people not just want but NEED to see that match.

If TNA wants to get people into the product here's my ideas of what they need to do:

A) New bookers with fresh ideas for the company. That means Dutch Mantell and Vince Russo have to go. Heck even make calls to get someone like Paul Heyman into the company. Its time however for TNA to realize that the current people steering the ship are NOT taking TNA to where they need and by now should be (2.0+ ratings, good buyrates, etc).

B) Having Kurt Angle off of TV for 3-6 months. Have him still work at house shows/indy shows to keep him from getting rusty but right now TNA TV/PPV needs a big rest from Kurt Angle. It'll do wonders for TNA as a whole since we know most fans will be hungry to see Kurt wrestle again - and with new bookers it can allow some fueds that the previous people blew up badly (ie: Angle/Joe) to be redone correctly. And then make Angle a total heel who wins not by cheating but by wins by intelligent means - such as turning opponet's strengths into weaknesses. Yeah I know that sounds a bit like... oh....... Randy Orton but it certainly helps make the character interesting.

C) Rebuild Samoa Joe slowly. Drop the whole gimmick of his and rebuild him as an unbeatable monster who will destroy anything in his path. Get the fans to care about him again and cheer for him.

D) Fix the issues with people like Chris Harris and even Konnan. TNA had a LOT of special things with AMW. LAX was a LOT hotter when Konnan was the voice but now they are lost without the voice that helped LAX get over.

E) No more treating the X Division as a joke. That means no more Black Machismo. No more Guru. The X Division needs to go back to the high athleticism that made it popular. But in my booking I would start building personality behind the X Division talent that people CAN get behind both as faces and heels.

F) No more silly gimmicks. And certainly no more things like "Feast Or Fired" where you have a match on PPV but drag the outcome on TV for weeks on end.

G) And last but certainly most important..... GET RID OF DON WEST. Bring back Ed Fererra and let him along with Mike Tenay do the commentary. Watching the first few weeks of TNA Wednesday PPVs the commentary is good as long as you ignore the yelling from Don West. If not Fererra then at least get someone who can complement Mike Tenay.

Okay Myke.... whatcha think? What would you add to this or do differently.[/QUOTE]

I like it. I like it a lot. Nobody can even begin to defend the booking at TNA. Now, TNA does (as they pat themselves on the back for beating ECW in the ratings this week - which, when you have Kurt Angle, Kevin Nash, Samoa Joe, et al., beating "Nunzio" and "Kevin Thorne" just *barely* shouldn't be a moment of personal pride).

Point (B) is very important, because Angle could be useful for TNA; as of right now, it's very reminiscent of Hogan and WCW (where the relationship, while it would ideally use Angle to benefit TNA, and the growth in the company and popularity would benefit Angle's pocketbook, has become one where the product is crap and the storylines *CLEARLY* exist to sate the bloated ego of Angle, to the detriment of the overall product - precisely like the Hogan/Sting angle of 1997).

Joe may take some time to rebuild. I think he should go boost the X-division such that would mutually repair both damaged elements of the company.

I disagree with saying "no more" anything. Even the stuff I don't like about wrestling is necessary - just in a matter of degrees. Comedy is fine, "divas" are fine, garbage matches are fine - as long as they have a purpose. I think, for the sake of Abyss' career, they should drop him on tack/glass/fire/whatever a lot less, and focus on "injury" or "selling" It infuriates me when he gets his face stomped in glass on Sunday at a PPV, and yet he stomps down to the ring 4 days later at Impact, fresh as a daisy. It doesn't make Abyss look tough; it makes the crowd think that these huge moments aren't, in fact, huge.

This reminds me: where's Rhino been?

His angle where he came across as a human being, full of frustration, depression, anxiety, and the unending urge to prove himself to the fans, to himself, to his family, and to his peers - THAT was worth watching. I know that guy, I can feel that emotion. I can't feel the same way about the Christian/Angle feud - if that's even a feud anymore. I can *almost* feel it in the Booker T/Roode feud, but it comes across so artificially on TV (it's all Roode's fault, really - Booker tried in his "serious" interview, but man - Roode is so fuckin' bland on the mic, and 100% unbelievable in what he says - like he has a neon sign over his head that flashes "I TRY TOO HARD AT THIS.").

Chris Harris doesn't matter. Let him go, because he's not going to make WWE a single dollar. Konnan, OTOH, may be important, but Homicide's a good talker. Let him talk. Do something with LAX, because they deserve it, and more importantly, the fans want to see it. It's a perfect fit, and TNA is refusing.

I don't mind "Guru" or "Black Machismo" - I laughed out loud so fuckin' hard the other week during Impact, when Lethal did the voiceover prelude to the women's match, saying something to the effect of "see if Wendy Richter can successfully overcome the talented and devious Fabulous Moolah" while they were showing clips of Kong/Kim. Machismo is a nice, and well done, homage - but treat him seriously in the ring. His match against Angle was RUINED because he was treated like a job boy later that same night, and 4 nights later when he lost to Christopher "Who?" Daniels in a 3 minute match (let's not fool ourselves: we like Daniels, but to the average fan anymore, he's in the same stable as Elix Skipper, so he's pretty much in Simon Diamond/David Young territory right now). So it isn't the gimmick, but the lack of class and prestige that the X-Division title has right now. Who is the champ? Machismo or Devine? If the latter, you mean the belt changed hands in a match where a ladder was used (where they aren't supposed to be), and a 6-man match for a 1-man title. Christ.

I do agree that "feast or fired" is a clusterfuck I don't want to comprehend, don't care about their reverse battle royals, "fight for the right" just serve to confuse the fans, and more often than not have zero consequence (Kaz's title shot was good as a wrestling match, but did *NOT* get him over as a legit or strong wrestler capable of main event status. It didn't help that it was free TV, and a 3 or 4 week "tournament" culminated in a throwaway TV match).

Overall, I agree, with a few caveats. I would actually, though, give Don West one more chance. He can be an effective color man, but he needs to learn the fine art of properly selling something. He doesn't need to verbally cum all over creation when something noteworthy happens - and if he can learn to do that, he can be very effective. It's a matter of degrees, and if he can't learn that in 6 months, replace him. But I don't think he's being properly restrained, and is both accustomed to and probably encouraged to regard every "hot moment" like it's the second coming of Christ in the middle of a two-girl blowjob while eating a chocolate cake.
 
[quote name='Demolition Man']C) Rebuild Samoa Joe slowly. Drop the whole gimmick of his and rebuild him as an unbeatable monster who will destroy anything in his path. Get the fans to care about him again and cheer for him.[/QUOTE]

Ugh, I still don't get why people want to see this.

To fix Samoa Joe they need to do three things:

1) Give him some time off.
2) During his time off, do something about his appearance. Give him a different outfit and hairstyle.
3) Bring him back as a heel and don't push him as a unbeatable monster. That may have worked in Ring Of Honor where there weren't alot of big guys but it just doesn't fly in TNA. Not only that but the whole unbeatable monster thing is played out and the talent ends right back up at square one when they are eventually beaten.
 
Joe as unbeatable killing machine certainly works in TNA - it did in '05 and most of '06 for him, and it did in '07 for Angle. Talent doesn't have to end up back at square one after they're beaten, but Joe was hurt by TNA completely killing him afterwards by having him lose to Angle with zero build weeks later, and then making him look like a complete goof afterwards.

Actually, Joe was technically beaten before in an ultimate X before that, and he wasn't hurt much by it, as they booked him strongly afterwards. They booked him poorly after losing to Kurt, and by continuing to do that, they killed his momentum.

The ticket prices for TNA's Webster Hall show are out, and they're hilarious.
http://www.websterhall.com/2007_websterhall/clubnight/club_thursday_022108s.php

I love this part of the $100 ticket area -
photo session with a TNA DVD
 
[quote name='Zen Davis']Global Impact showed three things.

01. TNA needs to get Impact out of Orlando.
02. They need to fire their current bookers.
03. Mike Tenay can be a good announcer. (West still suck)

It can easily be seen that everybody on the Japanese tour had more passion for what they were doing than anything we've seen on TNA since 05/06. It looked like they all knew it mattered to them what they were doing.

The production on the Global Impact show was miles and away better than the current Impact show and I really think they owe a lot to New Japan Pro Wrestling for the rub they gave TNA.

TNA can be good.

It just isn't.[/quote]
Maybe they should just replace Thursday Impact with 2 hours of Global Impact. :]

Speaking of Japan... why can't I get Morishima/Marufuji's theme song out of my head?
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I like it. I like it a lot. Nobody can even begin to defend the booking at TNA. Now, TNA does as they pat themselves on the back for beating ECW in the ratings this week - which, when you have Kurt Angle, Kevin Nash, Samoa Joe, et al., beating "Nunzio" and "Kevin Thorne" just *barely* shouldn't be a moment of personal pride.[/quote]

That's adkin to the big school yard bully beating up the little new kid. The bully really doesn't have much to brag about now does he? ;)

Point (B) is very important, because Angle could be useful for TNA; as of right now, it's very reminiscent of Hogan and WCW (where the relationship, while it would ideally use Angle to benefit TNA, and the growth in the company and popularity would benefit Angle's pocketbook, has become one where the product is crap and the storylines *CLEARLY* exist to sate the bloated ego of Angle, to the detriment of the overall product - precisely like the Hogan/Sting angle of 1997).

Its hard to say if its Angle's ego, the booking that is pushing Angle heavily because they feel that Angle will lead TNA to the promise land, or a combination of both. But there certainly does need to be a change with Angle overall in the company no doubt. My idea is most likely the best. Even myself as big of an Kurt Angle fan I am.... I'm quite frankly tired of the TNAngle show.

Joe may take some time to rebuild. I think he should go boost the X-division such that would mutually repair both damaged elements of the company.

100% agree. Joe can play a huge part in rebuilding the X Division along with the X Division rebuilding Joe.

I disagree with saying "no more" anything. Even the stuff I don't like about wrestling is necessary - just in a matter of degrees. Comedy is fine, "divas" are fine, garbage matches are fine - as long as they have a purpose.

At least for now a number of things need to be reduced or removed from the company for the time being. At least until the time is right to bring back certain things (like Abyss taking sick bumps into tacks) to where its not only shocking to see but it can be sold correctly.

I think, for the sake of Abyss' career, they should drop him on tack/glass/fire/whatever a lot less, and focus on "injury" or "selling" It infuriates me when he gets his face stomped in glass on Sunday at a PPV, and yet he stomps down to the ring 4 days later at Impact, fresh as a daisy. It doesn't make Abyss look tough; it makes the crowd think that these huge moments aren't, in fact, huge.

A huge chunk of the no selling comes down to - again - bad booking. If you go by now the TNA bookers script and write things (via that leaked script) you come to realize that they rarely enforce the selling from major moments like that on future shows. Instead TNA treats it as yet another bump on the list of many bumps that in the end mean nothing.

This reminds me: where's Rhino been?

He had a neck stinger during a match against Judas Mesias I believe.

His angle where he came across as a human being, full of frustration, depression, anxiety, and the unending urge to prove himself to the fans, to himself, to his family, and to his peers - THAT was worth watching. I know that guy, I can feel that emotion. I can't feel the same way about the Christian/Angle feud - if that's even a feud anymore. I can *almost* feel it in the Booker T/Roode feud, but it comes across so artificially on TV (it's all Roode's fault, really - Booker tried in his "serious" interview, but man - Roode is so fuckin' bland on the mic, and 100% unbelievable in what he says - like he has a neon sign over his head that flashes "I TRY TOO HARD AT THIS.").

Great point myke. Robert Roode to me comes across as an midcard indy wrestler who is just bland all around. The only reason why people even care for him is not because that he has any talent.... its because of Traci Brooks and her rather big tits.

Chris Harris doesn't matter. Let him go, because he's not going to make WWE a single dollar.

As a singles wrestler Chris Harris hasn't done much. Different story however during his tag days with James Storm as America's Most Wanted. As long as they had a good team to wrestle with (ie: Triple X, LAX, The Naturals to an extent, The Disciples Of the New Church) they were damn good. You can't deny that AMW certainly played a HUGE part in making the TNA tag division exciting for a nice amount of time.

Konnan, OTOH, may be important, but Homicide's a good talker. Let him talk. Do something with LAX, because they deserve it, and more importantly, the fans want to see it. It's a perfect fit, and TNA is refusing.

Exactly. Again it comes to bad booking and not realizing that LAX is what the fans want to see. While I miss what Konnan brought to LAX we both know that Homicide can talk. Its time that TNA realizes this and start making use of it.

I don't mind "Guru" or "Black Machismo" - I laughed out loud so fuckin' hard the other week during Impact, when Lethal did the voiceover prelude to the women's match, saying something to the effect of "see if Wendy Richter can successfully overcome the talented and devious Fabulous Moolah" while they were showing clips of Kong/Kim.

I won't lie that its great fun and humor but there has to come a point to where even the current TNA bookers will have to realize that the whole Machismo/Guru stuff is running out of steam.

Machismo is a nice, and well done, homage - but treat him seriously in the ring. His match against Angle was RUINED because he was treated like a job boy later that same night, and 4 nights later when he lost to Christopher "Who?" Daniels in a 3 minute match (let's not fool ourselves: we like Daniels, but to the average fan anymore, he's in the same stable as Elix Skipper, so he's pretty much in Simon Diamond/David Young territory right now). So it isn't the gimmick, but the lack of class and prestige that the X-Division title has right now. Who is the champ? Machismo or Devine? If the latter, you mean the belt changed hands in a match where a ladder was used (where they aren't supposed to be), and a 6-man match for a 1-man title. Christ.

Nailed perfectly. I will add that if TNA were to start using Skipper right, and remind fans of what Skipper can do - then and only then will the stock (and value) of both Daniels and Skipper will rise. We both know that Triple X back in their heyday was just one fun tag team to watch.

I do agree that "feast or fired" is a clusterfuck I don't want to comprehend, don't care about their reverse battle royals, "fight for the right" just serve to confuse the fans, and more often than not have zero consequence (Kaz's title shot was good as a wrestling match, but did *NOT* get him over as a legit or strong wrestler capable of main event status. It didn't help that it was free TV, and a 3 or 4 week "tournament" culminated in a throwaway TV match).

The funny thing is that it might be months before we even see any of those title matches won in the "feast or fired" tournament played out. And that's if even TNA decides to play them out. I got a feeling that more than likely within several months even the TNA bookers won't remember the whole tournament anyways. Much like most of us as well.

Overall, I agree, with a few caveats. I would actually, though, give Don West one more chance. He can be an effective color man, but he needs to learn the fine art of properly selling something. He doesn't need to verbally cum all over creation when something noteworthy happens - and if he can learn to do that, he can be very effective. It's a matter of degrees, and if he can't learn that in 6 months, replace him. But I don't think he's being properly restrained, and is both accustomed to and probably encouraged to regard every "hot moment" like it's the second coming of Christ in the middle of a two-girl blowjob while eating a chocolate cake.

I have to give credit where it is due in that Don West has improved slightly since the early days of TNA. At least Don today isn't screaming lines such as "ALL THIS ACTION FOR $9.95 NO WAY" but he's still annoying as ever. All this has done is turned Mike Tenay - a guy who when placed with the right co-commentator (or an restrained Don West) can really enhanced even a dull match. Heck look at what JBL did for Smackdown when he was commenating with Michael Cole. If anything either West needs to learn how to be effective... or TNA needs to as I said - bring in someone who can. Tenay as a face commentator and Fererra as a heel commentator can do wonders for the product ala Cole/JBL.

I must say.... we could make a good booking team indeed Myke. ;)
 
[quote name='Halo05']
For that matter, Great Khali as champion was sort of a forced thing. Hell, Edge was brought over specifically to give UT/Batista time to heal then his ass got hurt. What else could have been done?
[/QUOTE]

They could have given the strap to anyone else. Kane, Finley, hell Mark friggen Henry would've been a better choice. They could've even had someone like HBK switch over to SD! and hold down the top spot for a few months till Bore-tista was healthy enough to keep the strap warm for Edge.
 
[quote name='Calamityuponthee']I hope time warner adds USA HD tomorrow... I can only hope.[/QUOTE]

They'll have to very soon just because of the WWE going HD. The WWE name even today is enough to get cable companies to add a network or two just for the WWE programming.
 
Yea, in Tampa only DirectTV has it. Hopefully Fios adds it soon.

Smackdown will be in HD, but whether that would make anyone want to actually watch, i doubt.

A really funny quote about the HD broadcast:

WWE told all Superstars to be extra careful when calling their spots in the ring and to alter their in-ring style someone to prevent moves from appearing too light on camera. WWE has used the new HD equipment to film the last few tapings, but won't flip the switch to broadcast in HD until tonight. Source: PWInsiderp

Apparently, botches arent noticable in standard definition...
 
Increased PPV price drives up profits? Hold the presses! :lol:

Of course, of course. That's not newsworthy.

I think I, and perhaps others here, misread the "goodbye titantron" phrase in the wwe.com article. Instead of thinking that they think of the titantron as any video screen, and they won't use any at all, I think, to WWE, "Titantron" is *the* video screen, and one that will need replacing with the switch to HD. There is a video glimpse of the new set on wwe.com that clearly shows a large video screen.

They don't show the finished product, of course, but it appeared, from what was shown, to look like the newer SNME set.

Either way, if I can finish these damned background checks, my eyes will be glued to the TV (even if we don't get damned USA HD).
 
You guys are right about TNA's booking and writing problems... just one thing I would change.

I like Don West. :D He gets me excited about stuff every now and then. Sure.. he might be the fat guy who cried wolf, in that he blows his load over too much too often, but overall I'd say he's pretty decent. He just needs to tone down his yelling and load blowing. :)
 
[quote name='DJSteel']even though the writing at TNA is bad... the wrestling is still better than WWE...[/quote]

I'd personally say that Raw is better than TNA. The Hardy/Orton fued is really heating up.
 
[quote name='PhrostByte']So XWT just banned every version of uTorrent except for 1.6.1 through AND 1.7.6.[/quote]

FTFY. Maybe it's "through" for that site, but every other private torrent site I know of has banned everything inbetween, too.
 
Just finished watching ROH Undeniable. Good PPV overall. Slightly down compared to Man Up and Driven but still a good show overall. If there is anything that ROH needs to improve on is the production quality. The video is WAY too bright and contrasty making everything have that whited out look to it which is bad. Plus the audio mix needs to be balanced more out and turned down a bit. Everything sounds distored in the mix.

The ROH product in terms of wrestling is between good to excellent. Once they can get the production snafus taken care of.... then ROH will be ready for prime time indeed. :D
 
Hardy/Orton is going very well, Flair's big sendoff is well done, and although the focus seems to be on HHH/McMahon, I was really into Regal getting involved in the Flair/HHH match the other week.

TNA's only good feud is Kong/Kim.
 
TNA is crap at this point, let's not try to sugercoat it. The sooner that company folds and one that can legitimately take on the WWE takes its place, the better.
 
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