Ugh... Why can't Nintendo let you copy your Gamecube saves to the Wii?

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Hoonose

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I picked up a Gamecube memory card back in December, near when I got a Wii, so that I could play some of the games I missed. I beat a bunch of games, including Metroid Prime, Resident Evil, Resident Evil 4, F-Zero GX, Viewtiful Joe, Super Mario Sunshine, Paper Mario, Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes, and was playing through Pikmin, SSBM, and Tales of Symphonia.

Today, I decided that I'd replay Metroid Prime on Hard. So I popped in the disk, waited for it to load... Then my heart stopped when I saw: The data has been corrupted. Would you like to delete the save?

I try some of the more recent games (ToS, SSBM) and they were working fine. So I put RE4 in (100% completed, everything) and it says corrupted. I painfully delete the save. Then I go to the Wii data management menu, and it says the whole card is corrupt. Seeing I have no other choice, I format it.

All my saves, gone. Before you shout MADCATZ SUCKS at me, it was an official Nintendo card.

Now to the point... I realize because of programming, Nintendo can't make it possible to save Gamecube games to the system memory, but can't they AT LEAST let you copy the saves to the system?

Urgh. Either way, I'm buying an AR or GS or something to copy my saves before I go through beating these again.
 
Crazy, I was trying to do this yesterday too. You'd think they'd be able to do something about it. Still, you can't transfer PS1 card saves to the PS2, so at least this time it's not about Nintendo being lazy... Sony couldn't do it either.
 
They probably could do it with an update but I'm guessing it's not a real concern for Nintendo at the moment.
 
[quote name='chargeup45']Still, you can't transfer PS1 card saves to the PS2, so at least this time it's not about Nintendo being lazy... Sony couldn't do it either.[/quote]

I don't know about this...I have a ton of PS1 saves on my PS2 memory card. I don't play them from there, but at least I can store them there.

TBW
 
The same thing happend with my MadCatz memory card funnily enough, but it's been working fine ever since.
 
Maybe you should have spent the $5 more and got the official Memory Card and not the off-brand one? I don't buy off-brand accessories because of those reasons.
 
[quote name='chargeup45']Still, you can't transfer PS1 card saves to the PS2, so at least this time it's not about Nintendo being lazy... Sony couldn't do it either.[/QUOTE]

Yes you can. You can't play PS1 saves from a PS2 memory card, but you can copy them to there.

[quote name='GizmoGC']Maybe you should have spent the $5 more and got the official Memory Card and not the off-brand one? I don't buy off-brand accessories because of those reasons.[/QUOTE]

Read the OP, he did buy a Nintendo one.
 
[quote name='Hoonose']

All my saves, gone. Before you shout MADCATZ SUCKS at me, it was an official Nintendo card. [/QUOTE]

He did! And this is a rare thing indeed. I've never heard anyone have troubles with Nintendo memory cards.
 
[quote name='TheBlueWizard']I don't know about this...I have a ton of PS1 saves on my PS2 memory card. I don't play them from there, but at least I can store them there.
[/quote]

If you have a PS2 harddrive, you can put all your PS1 saves on it, too.

I have a MadCatz GC memory card that I've used reliably for awhile. I bought a new Official Nintendo one at Target recently. I began transferring some of the saves from the MadCatz to the Nintendo.

Worked fine until I stopped then came back later to finish. Corrupt.

I wonder if the Wii has a problem with maintaining GC saves.
 
[quote name='PenguinMaster']Yes you can. You can't play PS1 saves from a PS2 memory card, but you can copy them to there.
[/QUOTE]

I should have clarified... I was looking to transfer the saves so I could get rid of my Gamecube memory card. I wasn't aware that you could store the saves there, but it wouldn't help me much.
 
This isnt rare at all, its happend to me and people i know a few times. The thing is, it might say its corrupt but i dont really think it is. I think the cube just had a problem reading it. Turn it off, turn it back on, rinse and repeat, it should have worked finally. I know that i didnt want to lose my Tales and Paper Mario saves so i refused to delete, and it ended up working again.

The sad truth is that if you didnt delete the save then there was a chance that it wasnt corrupt. Even sadder is that there was a chance the memory card wasnt corrupted when you reformatted either.

Nintendo should let you copy your gamecube saves to the Wii tho, so that you dont have to buy more memory cards for cube and not worry about this happening.
 
[quote name='Vinny']They probably could do it with an update but I'm guessing it's not a real concern for Nintendo at the moment.[/quote]

Yea there probably to busy working on new channels that are just as good as Everyone Votes Channel
 
[quote name='PenguinMaster']Read the OP, he did buy a Nintendo one.[/QUOTE]

My bad. Saw Madcatz and skipped over that it sucks.

Odd for a Nintendo brand card to get corrupted.
 
I had that happen with my Nintendo one once...just restarted the console and left it for awhile then it worked later. My madcatz one on the other hand...well I never knew there was issues with it, so I lost the 100% data I had on about 80% of my games. Still sucks...put so much time in Melee too... =/
 
i've never had a problem on all 4 of my memory cards (1st party Nintendo brand) so i can't relate, i'm surprised that happened though, i usually swap my saves over to another card just in case though
 
it sucks that your card was corrupted, but the way the gamecube games run on the wii, it wouldnt be able to load data from the wii system memory. when you boot up a GC game the Wii proponents essentially shuts off, and it goes into gamecube mode, so you can no longer use the system memory. it just runs off the ports on the sides.

its not a bad design it works fine, the fact that you cant copy them over to the wii has nothing to do with the unlucky and unlikely even that your memory card will become corrupted. it sucks that it happens, but its not impossible.
 
They should allow it eventually. We're only like 6-7 months into the life of the console and had like what.. 4 firmware updates? I'm pretty sure one of the first 2 enabled SD cards, so it could just be a matter of time. I think we discussed this around launch, talking about smaller features we wanted.

And to agree with the other folks, the PS2 is perfectly cable of storing PS1 saves. Storing only though. I keep all my saves on the HDD and have one PS1 memory card handy instead of searching through a stack of cards for a certain games file.
 
[quote name='The Crotch']Happens all the time. Turn off, take out, blow on it like an NES cart (or something else for you progressive types) for good luck, put it back in, and play.[/quote]

Blowing it like something else might be bad, since I think saliva damages the connections.

Anyways, I guess in the future I'll be a bit less hasty in deleting them....

Do you think I should get a Gameshark to back up my saves?

On the same note, will it connect to the Wii?
 
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']it sucks that your card was corrupted, but the way the gamecube games run on the wii, it wouldnt be able to load data from the wii system memory. when you boot up a GC game the Wii proponents essentially shuts off, and it goes into gamecube mode, so you can no longer use the system memory. it just runs off the ports on the sides.

its not a bad design it works fine, the fact that you cant copy them over to the wii has nothing to do with the unlucky and unlikely even that your memory card will become corrupted. it sucks that it happens, but its not impossible.[/QUOTE]

This is the best post in this thread.

I don't know how many times I have said this myself, and don't know why it continues to need to be said - when the Wii is playing GC games, it's a GC. It no longer knows about system memory, wifi, etc etc etc etc.
 
I know it can't be saved DIRECTLY to the system memory (mentioned in the original post) but they should offer an option to copy/back up saves in case of corruption.
 
[quote name='Hoonose']I know it can't be saved DIRECTLY to the system memory (mentioned in the original post) but they should offer an option to copy/back up saves in case of corruption.[/QUOTE]

And then what? If the system memory goes bad, you just comlpain that there should be another option?

There's little reason to put GC saves onto the Wii's memory besides corruption of the memory card, and that is the reason why there's no method of doing it right now. And that is how you should be thinking about it - not that there's one reason to allow it, but a dozen reasons that it doesn't matter.

To Nintendo, you run a greater chance (or better yet, just as equal of a chance) of ruining that data if you copy it to the Wii memory, erase it on that card, copy it back to it/to a secondary card, and then boot a GC game. They'd rather not deal with the hassle of it potentially ruining something, especially when doing so is just for backup purposes only.

Also, because there's no way to share that data with others users (at the given time), it really has virtually negligable utility in this particular generation of systems.

I'm not saying I agree with it. I'm saying Nintendo has looked at it one way, which is that "wtf would you want to do that if you just have to put it back onto a card to use it," and decided it wasn't worth the trouble to implement it, especially when the GC game/card port can't detect Wii memory anyway.

Might as well find a USB solution to do it through. I'm fairly sure such things exists.

This reminds me of that discussion a few weeks ago about "why can't GC games on a Wii use the wifi to do local lan/wireless gameplay." It's something about 0.001% of people are trying to do, and catering to that doesn't make sense business wise.
 
[quote name='chodax']Yea there probably to busy working on new channels that are just as good as Everyone Votes Channel[/QUOTE]

Hey man, the voting channel is one of the few channels I actually use.:p
 
[quote name='chargeup45']I should have clarified... I was looking to transfer the saves so I could get rid of my Gamecube memory card. I wasn't aware that you could store the saves there, but it wouldn't help me much.[/quote]

The PS2 didn't have internal memory for saves like all the new (except core) systems have.

Unlike Strell, I would have liked the option to back up the saves.
I do for all my games in case I lose a card, or it gets corrupted.
 
[quote name='dallow']The PS2 didn't have internal memory for saves like all the new (except core) systems have.

Unlike Strell, I would have liked the option to back up the saves.
I do for all my games in case I lose a card, or it gets corrupted.[/QUOTE]

I like how you can't read.

I said from Nintendo's POV it doesn't matter.

I personally would rather have a USB option to do so, and that's something that would have to be third party. It's a lot easier for me to manage data not on a proprietary system.
 
[quote name='Strell']I like how you can't read.

I said from Nintendo's POV it doesn't matter.

I personally would rather have a USB option to do so, and that's something that would have to be third party. It's a lot easier for me to manage data not on a proprietary system.[/quote]
It's true, I only read your first two lines.

I wouldn't erase the data off the card after storing on the Wii.
I'd still use the GC memory cards for games (even if I didn't have to).
But if I happened to lose the card, or it gets corrupted some how, I'd be happy to know I have that save data handy on the Wii itself to copy to a new card.

I think Nintendo just didn't think it's something people would want to do, not because they felt it would 'hurt' them somehow.
And I would like to backup, along with a few others it seems.

I was really glad to be able to archive my PSX saves on the PS3 (which I then double copied to a USB thumb drive I'm calling, "Hope" where I'm keeping extra back ups of all my PSX, PS2, and PS3 saves. Hmm, kind of like what sean mentioned above).
I never had the USB thing to save them on the PC before.
 
[quote name='62t']Just get a SDloader off ebay and back up your save to a SD card.[/quote]
Yeah, I could always buy some accessory for thing that for my old GC.
Like the PC adapter for PSX/PS2.

But, I'm tired of accessories. The systems should let me do it, all the hardware is there.
Not to mention more comforting.
 
[quote name='Hoonose']Blowing it like something else might be bad, since I think saliva damages the connections.[/quote]

The trick is to blow through your shirt.
 
Heh, yeah, I know what he meant Jobb, but I was making a joke there (he said to blow it like something else, for more conservative types ;))

Anyways, I emailed Nintendo, and they failed to read it properly, saying Gamecube games can't save directly to the Wii. They did, however, say they'd forward it to the proper department for review, so there's some hope.
 
[quote name='Strell']There's little reason to put GC saves onto the Wii's memory besides corruption of the memory card, and that is the reason why there's no method of doing it right now. And that is how you should be thinking about it - not that there's one reason to allow it, but a dozen reasons that it doesn't matter.[/QUOTE]
That kind of attitude would lead to crappy, bare-minimum systems. There are plenty of other features that Nintendo didn't need to have, but used them anyway because they improve the player's experience. Just because a feature isn't exciting enough to be a bullet point on the back of the box doesn't mean it shouldn't be included, and this feature would be easy enough to implement.
[...]especially when the GC game/card port can't detect Wii memory anyway.
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I wouldn't think that would be a problem... The processor can detect the GC card port, and the processor can detect the internal memory. Transferring between the two should be fully possible, unless they're using some completely bizarre hardware setup.

My theory is that Nintendo didn't want people copying save data to a place where games couldn't read it, which might cause confusion. Then again, they did a similar thing with VC games on SD cards, so maybe my guess is wrong.

[quote name='seanr1221']It would be nice to save it to the system memory, and then transfer it over to an SD card for storage.[/quote]
Yeah, definitely. It's really handy to be able to back up VC games and Wii game saves on my PC, and it would be cool if it worked for GC games too.
 
[quote name='Strell']
There's little reason to put GC saves onto the Wii's memory besides corruption of the memory card, and that is the reason why there's no method of doing it right now. And that is how you should be thinking about it - not that there's one reason to allow it, but a dozen reasons that it doesn't matter.[/quote]

I have the PS2 hard disk drive. There's really no "reason" to copy PS1 and PS2 saves to the drive, because the number of games that know there's a hard drive there can be counted on one hand and you'd have fingers left over.

But it's great to have all the saves in one place. I can copy stuff to the HD, then leave only the saves I'm currently using on the memory card. I no longer have to worry about running out of space. This is more of an issue on the PS2 and its dinky memory cards.

I agree that Nintendo does not have a compelling reason to do it. But then, neither did Sony.
 
[quote name='blandstalker']I agree that Nintendo does not have a compelling reason to do it. But then, neither did Sony.[/quote]

No, you just figured out the compelling reason for Nintendo not to do it.
Buy more memory cards.
 
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