Ultimate Warrior memorial wrestling thread 1959-2014

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MushaOne said:
I never thought I'd agree with slidecage... But man Lesnar looked horrible. He did nothing and his face was beat red, reminded me of the Warrior on Raw. I don't think I've ever seen a wrestler sweat so much even when they had the hot lights on them back in the day. There was a huge sweat puddle in the middle of the ring from him. I wouldn't be shocked if I came on Herr tomorrow and found out he had a heart attack. Very scary to see him like that.

Also, diverticulitis wasnt Brocks main problem. His problem was he was in Canada when it happened so he had to deal with their incompetent "free health care" doctors who almost killed him.
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I can't believe I'm also in the agreeing with slidecage camp as well lmao.

 
Scorch said:
Loved Summerslam. Loved Cena getting destroyed. Not only the fact that he got destroyed, but to the extent that he got destroyed. The guy they've spent a decade building up just got completely squashed. It was beautiful.

I agree with xilly - having Lesnar as the champ and only showing up at PPV's gives the belt legitimacy, which is something it hasn't had for a while. The IC title will also have meaning again. I have no idea what will happen next, and I love it.
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This is what Heyman said in an interview last week sometime. That having the Title on Brock, a part-time guy, would make the title special since the Champion has always been over-exposed. There's A TON that can be done story-wise with Lesnar as the Champ, as it'll force creative to make everyone else and those titles matter.

EDIT: I hope this means that Ambrose-Rollins main events Hell in a Cell.

 
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Its weird, I dont ever remember Lesnar being so sweaty before. Hes like a 10 on the Muta scale, just with sweat instead of blood. Maybe the HD broadcast just makes it more noticeable now?=-\

 
Brock Lesnar is who would have been headlining the WWE for the past 10 years if he hadn't left. Cena and Lashley were second-rate replacements who were doing nothing but chasing after the ghost of Lesnar. 

I know some guys here didn't necessarily like how the match played out and I'm sure they would have preferred something with a bit more drama, a bit more competition, and a bit more of a moveset but for what this was: it was perfect. On one hand its the story of Lesnar being dominant, ending the streak, yada yada yada. That story we've had Heyman tell us a dozen times over on Raw and Smackdown.

The other story is the one I'm interested in. The one where John Cena got written off as being nothing but a chump. That's the one that satisfied me to no end yesterday. You know how long I've been waiting for that? 8 years. 8 long years of seeing this guy OVERCOME THE ODDS! That godawful insulting framing of Cena being controversial. The indestructibility of and protection of a guy who has been toxic to the lifeblood of professional wrestling.  All that vile and hatred I had of this performer came spewing out of me as I wanted Lesnar to go for blood. I wanted Cena hurt and gone. And that's the story Brock Lesnar gave me yesterday. 

And today I feel good. The sun is shining. The wind is fresh. And Cena is no longer the MAN in the WWE. Today is a better day for most professional wrestling fans than has been in years. It really is. We got what we wanted. We finally got what we wanted. And it feels GREAT.

As for the match itself: it was still beneath the classic Punk/Lesnar put on last year. Also below the previous Lesnar/Cena bout at Extreme Rules. But it was better than any other match Lesnar has put on since he came back and was easily the match of the night. 

Even as it continued there was a genuine sense of disbelief of what we were seeing. Is this real? Is this really happening? Is John Cena really going to be THIS manhandled? THIS dominated?!  That was the magic of the match. I still feel it right now. Like I can't believe it happened. So many times over the course of the past 9 years we've been told "This is it!" for Cena. He can't win! And time and time again he hits his shitty looking AA/FU or throws on his garbage looking STFU and gets the win (for the children of course!) 

And that's driven many of us away from the product. The staleness. The idea that no matter what happens the one constant will be that John Cena overcomes in the end. And so even as the match went on and on there was that feeling in the pit our stomachs, the fear, that said "Any minute now. Any second now. Cena is going to overcome the odds. Here it comes... here it comes..." because we had been conditioned to expect this out of Cena for years on end. 

And when the beating didn't stop. When Lesnar looked like he was only getting faster and stronger as the match continued. When he sat up to mock the Undertaker. When he started shuffling around from foot to foot in classic Lesnar fashion charging Cena to come at him head on even after eating an FU. When he hit that final F-5 and capped off the most crushing Main Event in the past 30 or more years we still sat in disbelief at what we had just seen. Almost in as much disbelief at having seen the streak come to an end. 

It's about damn time. Finally.

 
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HeroToTheMasses said:
Brock Lesnar is who would have been headlining the WWE for the past 10 years if he hadn't left. Cena and Lashley were second-rate replacements who were doing nothing but chasing after the ghost of Lesnar.

I know some guys here didn't necessarily like how the match played out and I'm sure they would have preferred something with a bit more drama, a bit more competition, and a bit more of a moveset but for what this was: it was perfect. On one hand its the story of Lesnar being dominant, ending the streak, yada yada yada. That story we've had Heyman tell us a dozen times over on Raw and Smackdown.

The other story is the one I'm interested in. The one where John Cena got written off as being nothing but a chump. That's the one that satisfied me to no end yesterday. You know how long I've been waiting for that? 8 years. 8 long years of seeing this guy OVERCOME THE ODDS! That godawful insulting framing of Cena being controversial. The indestructibility of and protection of a guy who has been toxic to the lifeblood of professional wrestling. All that vile and hatred I had of this performer came spewing out of me as I wanted Lesnar to go for blood. I wanted Cena hurt and gone. And that's the story Brock Lesnar gave me yesterday.

And today I feel good. The sun is shining. The wind is fresh. And Cena is no longer the MAN in the WWE. Today is a better day for most professional wrestling fans than has been in years. It really is. We got what we wanted. We finally got what we wanted. And it feels GREAT.

As for the match itself: it was still beneath the classic Punk/Lesnar put on last year. Also below the previous Lesnar/Cena bout at Extreme Rules. But it was better than any other match Lesnar has put on since he came back and was easily the match of the night.

Even as it continued there was a genuine sense of disbelief of what we were seeing. Is this real? Is this really happening? Is John Cena really going to be THIS manhandled? THIS dominated?! That was the magic of the match. I still feel it right now. Like I can't believe it happened. So many times over the course of the past 9 years we've been told "This is it!" for Cena. He can't win! And time and time again he hits his shitty looking AA/FU or throws on his garbage looking STFU and gets the win (for the children of course!)

And that's driven many of us away from the product. The staleness. The idea that no matter what happens the one constant will be that John Cena overcomes in the end. And so even as the match went on and on there was that feeling in the pit our stomachs, the fear, that said "Any minute now. Any second now. Cena is going to overcome the odds. Here it comes... here it comes..." because we had been conditioned to expect this out of Cena for years on end.

And when the beating didn't stop. When Lesnar looked like he was only getting faster and stronger as the match continued. When he sat up to mock the Undertaker. When he started shuffling around from foot to foot in classic Lesnar fashion charging Cena to come at him head on even after eating an FU. When he hit that final F-5 and capped off the most crushing Main Event in the past 30 or more years we still sat in disbelief at what we had just seen. Almost in as much disbelief at having seen the streak come to an end.

It's about damn time. Finally.
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When he hit that final F-5 and capped off the most crushing Main Event in the past 30 or more years we still sat in disbelief at what we had just seen

LOL who sat in dsibelief? Cena was not even attempting to fight and im sure 99.9% of the people knew the outcome before the match even started. Got to wonder if Cena even wanted the title since it seems WWE has no talent to even put a belt on now.

the entire so called main event was nothing but a joke match. It just showed how fun Cena had being tossed around and sweat on by a big man :)

 
slidecage said:
that was the king chanting that :)

dont see why people are saying summerslam was great. I though it was one of the biggest pieces of crap. Yea some of the matches were good but the cena match was just plan stupid. Last night showed that brock is out of shape and can not wrestle. The dude did very few moves and was sweating like a pig, hell if he ran around i would ot be shocked to see him have a heart attack. I wonder if he even passed a health screening to get in the ring. It would not shock me to see him have to give them belt up for health reasons (heart problems)

Last night was also the worse i ever had it on the network, anyone else have major problems from Blurred , to just stopping to looping back. I doubt i renew its just the same crap over and over and over.
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Wait a minute here... WHEN did you finally get the network? You have always said the network was a waste, were not going to get it, why should you get it etc. Now suddenly last night was the worst you have ever had it on the NEtwork......

Something seems fishy in all of this.

 
HeroToTheMasses said:
Brock Lesnar is who would have been headlining the WWE for the past 10 years if he hadn't left. Cena and Lashley were second-rate replacements who were doing nothing but chasing after the ghost of Lesnar.

I know some guys here didn't necessarily like how the match played out and I'm sure they would have preferred something with a bit more drama, a bit more competition, and a bit more of a moveset but for what this was: it was perfect. On one hand its the story of Lesnar being dominant, ending the streak, yada yada yada. That story we've had Heyman tell us a dozen times over on Raw and Smackdown.

The other story is the one I'm interested in. The one where John Cena got written off as being nothing but a chump. That's the one that satisfied me to no end yesterday. You know how long I've been waiting for that? 8 years. 8 long years of seeing this guy OVERCOME THE ODDS! That godawful insulting framing of Cena being controversial. The indestructibility of and protection of a guy who has been toxic to the lifeblood of professional wrestling. All that vile and hatred I had of this performer came spewing out of me as I wanted Lesnar to go for blood. I wanted Cena hurt and gone. And that's the story Brock Lesnar gave me yesterday.

And today I feel good. The sun is shining. The wind is fresh. And Cena is no longer the MAN in the WWE. Today is a better day for most professional wrestling fans than has been in years. It really is. We got what we wanted. We finally got what we wanted. And it feels GREAT.

As for the match itself: it was still beneath the classic Punk/Lesnar put on last year. Also below the previous Lesnar/Cena bout at Extreme Rules. But it was better than any other match Lesnar has put on since he came back and was easily the match of the night.

Even as it continued there was a genuine sense of disbelief of what we were seeing. Is this real? Is this really happening? Is John Cena really going to be THIS manhandled? THIS dominated?! That was the magic of the match. I still feel it right now. Like I can't believe it happened. So many times over the course of the past 9 years we've been told "This is it!" for Cena. He can't win! And time and time again he hits his shitty looking AA/FU or throws on his garbage looking STFU and gets the win (for the children of course!)

And that's driven many of us away from the product. The staleness. The idea that no matter what happens the one constant will be that John Cena overcomes in the end. And so even as the match went on and on there was that feeling in the pit our stomachs, the fear, that said "Any minute now. Any second now. Cena is going to overcome the odds. Here it comes... here it comes..." because we had been conditioned to expect this out of Cena for years on end.

And when the beating didn't stop. When Lesnar looked like he was only getting faster and stronger as the match continued. When he sat up to mock the Undertaker. When he started shuffling around from foot to foot in classic Lesnar fashion charging Cena to come at him head on even after eating an FU. When he hit that final F-5 and capped off the most crushing Main Event in the past 30 or more years we still sat in disbelief at what we had just seen. Almost in as much disbelief at having seen the streak come to an end.

It's about damn time. Finally.
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Stop taking wrestling so damn seriously. It's just scripted, silly, stupid wrestling. Cena will be back on top in no time. Remember when Rock beat him and Cena went back to his usual character form? Do you Cena critics actually read back the shit you type? "Toxic to the lifeblood of professional wrestling" Haha give me a break, kid. WWE CHOSE to have him as the long term main eventer because he had the passion for the business.

I like Lesnar, but he is in it just for the money. The guy is just lazy and wants the easy way out. He couldn't handle the extreme schedule so he left the company. Tried NFL, but found out he actually needs the talent and can't rely just on strength. Quit UFC after a few losses and went back to the drawing board.

 
Rigor Mortis said:
Wait a minute here... WHEN did you finally get the network? You have always said the network was a waste, were not going to get it, why should you get it etc. Now suddenly last night was the worst you have ever had it on the NEtwork......

Something seems fishy in all of this.
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never said it was a waste or not getting it. My main point was it should be going back to cable companies (what they are already doing in canada) i had it since may (got in on the FRIEND 25 buck gift card thing) so when you figure that 25 out i only paid 35 bucks for 6 months)

I dont see Cena getting the title back anytime soon. I Can see them putting the belt on someone different but not cena.

 
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Did you hear about all the problems the Network had on cable in Canada? First of all not all of Canada has that cable company so it doesnt matter for them. Those who did had all sorts of quality issues, and the On Demand part was 1/10th of what is available on the online version. I think it was just a bunch of WWE PPVs you could watch whenever.

 
I think it's good overall for the industry to change things up and have a new champion.  It only makes sense that they built Lesnar up to the new dominating force since he was the one that ended the streak.  It wouldn't make sense to have the one to end the streak to just job to the current champion. 
 
The only issue I'd have with it is Brock's a part-timer.  As TooMuchCoolness mentioned, Brock doesn't come across as a guy that has a lot of passion for the company.  When you seem to only be around for a few events throughout the year, it just doesn't seem like a good look for the belt to have the champ not around as much as the others are.  For Cena, to get as much run as he get, it's pretty obvious the creative team views that him as a person that has paid his dues.  I'm not so sure with Brock. 
 
But because there aren't enough high profile faces to represent the company, we're better off with Brock as the champion... for now. 
 
I disagree about a guy who doesnt love the business being champ as being a bad thing. It brings me back to the days of Hogan as champion. I may be wrong, but he didnt seem to be a guy who loved the business. It seems that he tried to retire every other year and only kept coming back for the money as well. He seemingly tried everything to get out of wrestling but couldnt manage. And Hogan may have wrestled house shows all the time but that meant nothing to me. I still only got to see him wrestle maybe 5 times a YEAR. So I think part time Brock Lesnar is a good thing.

Also, I would rather a part time Brock Lesnar for 3-5 years than no Brock Lesnar at all. He is one of the few highlights of this awful generation of pro wrestling.

 
Yeah right now I'm not sure how I feel about Lesnar being champ. I guess for me it depends on two things; 1) how often is he on tv 2)who he eventually drops the belt to. I don't like the champ not being on tv very often, it was one thing when Hogan did it (back then they had 1/10th the amount of weekly hours of tv that they do now) but for that kind of schedule to work TODAY......I'm not so sure. I mean how in the hell are they going to fill THREE hours of Raw for weeks in a row without at least an appearance by the champ? How do you constantly build new rivalries and stories without interaction between the stars? Heyman can suffice for SOME of that but I don't think it can just always be him and Lesnar's nemesis.

I do hope all smarks will shut the fuck up for awhile with all the Cena hate and super Cena bullshit, it gets so tiring. When Cena's gone all the smarks will bitch about how boring the show is now with Reigns on top and we will have another 10 years of the same shit......this is how pro wrestling works and has always worked damnit lol.
 
So am I the only one who just despises finishers being kicked out of all the time? Whatever happened to.....oh I don't know..... a finisher actually FINISHING someone. Orton's RKO last night was great and should never be kicked out of like that, either have Orton pin with it or don't do it at all. In today's wrestling finishers don't mean shit and it really frustrates me, maybe I'm just too old school but to me this just makes sense any way you slice it.
 
I swear this shit has to be set up. The officiating is almost as bad as a Flyers playoff game.

Why else would Kane come in while Ambrose was beating the piss out of Rollins to save the day.
 

I usually tape RAW, but I may have to watch it live this week.

 
burritoman said:
I swear this shit has to be set up. The officiating is almost as bad as a Flyers playoff game.

Why else would Kane come in while Ambrose was beating the piss out of Rollins to save the day.

I usually tape RAW, but I may have to watch it live this week.
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Yea, it has to be fixed. But no where near as fixed as the NHL, NFL, or MLB.

 
cgarb84 said:
So am I the only one who just despises finishers being kicked out of all the time? Whatever happened to.....oh I don't know..... a finisher actually FINISHING someone. Orton's RKO last night was great and should never be kicked out of like that, either have Orton pin with it or don't do it at all. In today's wrestling finishers don't mean shit and it really frustrates me, maybe I'm just too old school but to me this just makes sense any way you slice it.
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You're not. As someone who only occasionally pops on a match, most main event matches seem to end only after 3 or 4 finishers (sometimes each).

I think it was Jericho when he visited IGN and played some WWE 2K14 and mentioned the fad of stealing finishers a while back he hated. Just wonder if this multiple finisher thing will end after a while to where they actually have worth again other than the obvious false finish.
 
The grindhouse intro from Summerslam was fantastic, and repurposed into a show recap perfectly. The fakeout with Steph was great. Sadly, it led to Nikki Bella cutting a promo. They're trying to recreate the Owen-Bret dynamic here but NONE OF THE BELLAS ARE ANY GOOD. And if the angle is that Nikki is jealous over Brie "beating her to the alter", then the whole Total Divas reveal of HER BEING MARRIED A DECADE AGO means what exactly? The acting here were God-awful all around and then they dared replay it. Luckily, it was followed by an AWESOME Show/Henry-Harper/Rowan match. Their SD match was good, this was PPV-worthy and I wouldn't mind if Show Pain won the titles. Loved loved loved Dean throwing ice water on Seth and saying it's for charity leading to a brawl. They get to have either a no holds barred match, a no DQ match, or falls count anywhere match!

Brock's new title is okay - it's a bit too shiny, and the lack of CHAMPION hurts it even if "World Heavyweight Champion" is in super-tiny text underneath. Still, it's a more symmetrical logo and looks better on the belt. Heyman's promo on Cena was just amazing. He babyfaced Cena to everyone who hates his guts and basically told you you're a fool to not like him because he's a tough motherfucker. He was so great throughout this whole deal - he sold you on Cena, Brock, the Network, any all things involving Brock Lesnar. This was an all-time great promo, and made even better when they replayed the stupid Bella stuff from before. Miz-Dolph was okay, minus the shitty finish. Swagger cut a good-ish promo backstage before he and Cesaro had a "neither guy can afford to lose" match. CESARO WINS! CESARO WINS! And Cole IMMEDIATELY makes excuses for Swagger!

The random dudes 6-man tag was really good. The crowd being so into Ryback helped the match, and him a lot. I loved Orton as his cheerleader, and the surprise of RVD winning instead of Roman. The 3.0 out of nowhere was the best spot in the match since it came out of nowhere. Usos-Dust Brothers was massacred by JBL's commentary. THE DUST BRUSTERS won. Rusev coming out for a generic promo only to be interrupted by MARK HENRY, THE WORLD'S STRONGEST 'MURICAN ruled. He cut a great promo about being an Olympian who is PROUD OF HIS COUNTRY! Henry offered up a guided tour through the hall of pain, and saved the show after JBL's awful commentary. He got the slam and did the WORLD'S STRONGEST JIG! This was fantastic - he's back as a huge deal in just a few minutes.

Seth-Dean was the WWE TV match of the year so far. It was better than Dean-Cesaro on SD, and felt like we were seeing two legit main events made in front of our eyes. Kane getting involved hurt though - we better not be getting Dean-Kane, unless Dean Cain is the ref.The cinder block usage was a bit silly due to how gigantic the pile was that they just happened to have lying around, but this was an incredible match.

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batman1939 said:
The thing that pissed me off about Summer Slam was they showed us a German announce table and Bradshaw didn't ask them, "how do you guys say no, no, no in German? "
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What bothered me about that is that there was no option on the Network to listen to the German broadcast. I cant stand listen to the drivel that comes out of Cole and JBL, Id add Lawler but he rarely says anything these days, and Spanish is such an ugly sounding language. I would have loved to watch Lesnar beat up Cena with German commentary!

 
I actually enjoyed Raw quite a bit last night.  The main event was really great, it just sucks that Ambrose has to leave for a month + right when he seems to have the most momentum he's had yet in his singles run.  Is Cena going to be leaving to film a movie as well?  I guess this is just a common thing in the business today, kind of blows but wwe studios is too important to sacrifice for the good of the actual wrestling shows I guess lol.

 
Wonder if either Trips or Vince told Ambrose and Rollins to "Go out there and have one of those indy style matches you guys do so well" because that match was fucking awesome. Much better than the typical WWE style match for sure.

 
cgarb84 said:
I actually enjoyed Raw quite a bit last night. The main event was really great, it just sucks that Ambrose has to leave for a month + right when he seems to have the most momentum he's had yet in his singles run. Is Cena going to be leaving to film a movie as well? I guess this is just a common thing in the business today, kind of blows but wwe studios is too important to sacrifice for the good of the actual wrestling shows I guess lol.
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Wait is Ambrose hurt or actually doing a movie?
 
He's doing a movie.

I'm expecting we'll see a lot of Rollins/Kane getting jumped by an unseen person or near-miss backstage accidents to keep up the feud while he's gone.

 
diddy310 said:
He's doing a movie.

I'm expecting we'll see a lot of Rollins/Kane getting jumped by an unseen person or near-miss backstage accidents to keep up the feud while he's gone.
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Yeah which could be fun, however if Ambrose is gone for a month or more that alone may not be enough to keep the feud hot.
 
Rigor Mortis said:
Wonder if either Trips or Vince told Ambrose and Rollins to "Go out there and have one of those indy style matches you guys do so well" because that match was fucking awesome. Much better than the typical WWE style match for sure.
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I really got into that match, Ambrose always pulls off a great match like this.

 
Imagine they are building towards Brock / Rock at Wrestlemania next year as they had planned to do previously. If they had been building up to Rock / Brock the year before like they had wanted to then perhaps Cena / Lesnar would have taken place at last year's Summerslam and that would have lead to Rock / Brock. Unfortunately the Rock got injured so they shoehorned Bryan / Cena and Brock / Punk in instead. 

I honestly don't see Reigns beating Lesnar. The level of domination is way too high in my opinion. 

 
kickrockz713 said:
Just barely watched RAW, but I would definitely like more Henry and Rusev.
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I would like considerably less of both, one moreso than the other

Really nice hands-on article for WWE 2K15. I can't wait, I know it won't be perfect but it sounds like a breath of fresh air to me, a much needed one at that.
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Typo in the first few words.. *twitch*

The article sounds good, love how you can finally finally finally switch between signature and finisher.

 
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The opening saying "Impact's signature hardcore event moves to a new night!" sure made it seem like a one-off timeslot change. Taz put over it being a regular thing. The Stairway to Janice match was a goofy video game weapons match, but not awful. The EC3-Spud-Rhino stuff was fun. Glad to see Rhino back as a face, and EC3 maintaining his excellent role. Joe-Ki was fantastic - Joe's best match in ages. Each guy looked great, and it's such a shame that Low-Ki has been his own worst enemy because he really should be riding the wive of New Japan's success right now too. I quit was illogical and stupid. That match was devoid of good. The 3D-Hardy-Wolves series should be good - shame it was set up in such a blah way here. Kudos to TNA for congratulating Christy Hemme on being pregnant - TNA's like the most fertile company ever. Gail-Love wasn't a great match overall, but had some fantastic stuff. The ending in particular was amazing. LOVED LOVED LOVED MVP putting Lashley over as the man and rattling off his impressive kill streak since June. The 6-sides of steel was really hurt by ad breaks and just being a bunch of stuff to fill time. There was no real story told. The three-way face submission spot was cute. Ditto the double tower of doom spot. The cage race was a nice homage to Hogan-Orndorff, but the lack of a finish hurt. I liked them hyping up the tag series as the big hook next week, and putting the timeslot change over better, but they should really replay this particular show on Thursday night to cement it because it's hard to imagine it retaining the higher ratings and thus the on-air momentum TNA has.

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So since Rey is pretty much retired, Sin Cara was an epic fail, and Del Rio is fired, is WWE just waiving the white flag for Mexico/Latin America and just making the German announce team the new Spanish team?

 
Rey isn't retiring - WWE just isn't using him in any capacity, he isn't cashing his checks, and he's headed to AAA once he's legally able to. He  was already shown on AAA's Triplemania PPV in a video SHOT IN PORTRAIT MODE.

 
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