What price would the XBOX 360 HD DVD player have to be for you to buy it? (USDollars)

[quote name='dmaul1114']It hasn't won, but it's definitely leading as the sales have been 2:1 in favor of bluray so far this year.

Personally, I really couldn't care less about either format right now, as again I'm more than happy with upconverted DVDs but Blurray does seem to have the edge.

Whether either side will win out, remains to be seen. It's probably most likely that both will just stick around and be niche formats that only the videophile nerds care about and buy into. Just like Laserdisc.[/QUOTE]


Actually the image quality of laserdisc was pretty asstastic. You were paying for the digital audio which usually featured 5.1.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']It hasn't won, but it's definitely leading as the sales have been 2:1 in favor of bluray so far this year.
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Bluray can maintain that 2:1 software sales lead, or even 3:1 for a very long time, even years, that won't make HD DVD go away, nor will it make Universal go neutral. That's what Blu-ray supporters (PS3 fanboy's) need to come to accept.

As both formats increase in sales, all studios are going to have to re evaluate going neutral. For a BD exclusive studio, even if HD DVD is only 1/3 of the market, 1/3 of millions is a lot of money they could be making down the road.
 
[quote name='BULL_Ship']Actually the image quality of laserdisc was pretty asstastic. You were paying for the digital audio which usually featured 5.1.[/QUOTE]

And most people couldn't care about the quality upgrade of HD-DVD/Bluray over DVD.

I like the jump, but most won't care. Hell, several people I know have HDTVs and no HD content to speak of.

It's a decent bump, but even to my eyes it can't compete with the upgrade DVD made over VHS (though I know the resolutions jump is mathematically greater).

Plus a big selling point of DVDs were things like instant scene access, no rewinding, not degrading over time like VHS tapes, priced to sell rather than rent right from day one, extra features etc.

So I really don't see these formats fairing any better in the mass market than Laserdisc, even though they are very good quality.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']Bluray can maintain that 2:1 software sales lead, or even 3:1 for a very long time, even years, that won't make HD DVD go away, nor will it make Universal go neutral. That's what Blu-ray supporters (PS3 fanboy's) need to come to accept.[/quote]

True. I think both will stick around as niche market formats until both die off in favor of something else down the road. Possibly a download format. Though I hate the thought of that.

At any rate, plain DVDs are here to stay. Just like CDs which just turned 25, they will continue to thrive even in the face of superior formats.

As both formats increase in sales, all studios are going to have to re evaluate going neutral. For a BD exclusive studio, even if HD DVD is only 1/3 of the market, 1/3 of millions is a lot of money they could be making down the road.
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The markets for both are very small, so in all honesty, studios aren't going to lose much by not supporting one or the other. There was a piece I read a couple weeks back that showed that total HD-DVD and Blurray sales SINCE LAUNCH were less than the DVD sells for just the top selling title so far this year.
 
I just bought it for 179.99 and got "300" for free... also will be sending in for the 5 free movies... good deal!

Also, the remote control that comes with it, am I able to use that on a cable box as well as my TV? I got the Harmony remote that works with Xbox, but if the Xbox one will work with everything I'll just return the Harmony.
 
[quote name='seanr1221']Just a fun observation. Most HDdvd fans here say both formats are here to stay, while most Blu-ray fans say Blu-ray will be the dominate format.[/QUOTE]
Well, I'm not a "fan" of either, but I do hope both formats stick around. It would be really very very awesome in the long run, having competition like that between formats (competing not for survival, but on features, quality and price) would be the best thing ever in the long run for the consumer.

Blu-ray fans should realize that having HD DVD crushed isn't the best thing for them, even if they have invested their cash in Blu-ray players and films.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']At any rate, plain DVDs are here to stay. Just like CDs which just turned 25, they will continue to thrive even in the face of superior formats.[/QUOTE]

That isn't a fair comparision.

The reason DVD-A/SACD hasn't caught on is because it takes more effort overall.

If a record company wants to release on it, they have to pay an extra engineer to mix it in 5.1. If a consumer wants to listen to one, they need the proper 5.1 audio setup and the equipment to play them.

With the HD format, they only have to release the 2K or 4K master that they should have anyways for preservation purposes and LCDs are become standard even if it's "because the TV is smaller" instead of "hey it's in high-definition"

Eventually prices will get lower enough where the regular consumer goes that's looks better and at this price what the hell.
 
I don't think the lack of success of DVD-A/SACD has much to do with the publisher side.

It's just not appealing to fans. Who wants to buy a DVD-A/SACD that you can only listen to on the one player you just bought, vs the CD that you can listen to all around the house, rip easily on the PC to put on your iPod, play in the car etc.

That and consumer ignorance/apathy.

The Same is true with HD, most just don't know the difference, and many others just don't care or don't want to buy a disc they can only play in one player they just bought etc.
 
[quote name='seanr1221']Just a fun observation. Most HDdvd fans here say both formats are here to stay, while most Blu-ray fans say Blu-ray will be the dominate format.
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Well, its common sense to say both are going to stay. Competition doesn't cause one product to magically disappear if they're trailing behind the leader. My prediction is both formats will hang around till the next set of consoles and both will be phased out in favor of digital distribution.

Its almost ironic in a way. If 3rd party 360 software was selling 2 to 1 against 3rd party PS3 software, would PS3 fans say "Oh well. I guess I picked a loser. Time to sell and move on."? Not at all. In fact, most of them just say "We'll get them next time. Sony isn't going anywhere."

So its a funny double standard.
 
[quote name='terribledeli']Its almost ironic in a way. If 3rd party 360 software was selling 2 to 1 against 3rd party PS3 software, would PS3 fans say "Oh well. I guess I picked a loser. Time to sell and move on."? Not at all. In fact, most of them just say "We'll get them next time. Sony isn't going anywhere."

So its a funny double standard.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, Ive tried using that analogy with the PS3 fanbois but they just claim PS3 will still sell better in the future with more price drops etc. They fail to realize that the 360 will have price drops as well.
 
$50 or less, I already have an HD DVR and HDDVD is clearly looking like the loser in the HD race anyways so I'm not getting gypped out of $100 or more on something with a finite collection of movies.
 
First you say:

[quote name='thrustbucket']Bluray can maintain that 2:1 software sales lead...nor will it make Universal go neutral.[/QUOTE]

And then...

[quote name='thrustbucket']As both formats increase in sales, all studios are going to have to re evaluate going neutral. For a BD exclusive studio, even if HD DVD is only 1/3 of the market, 1/3 of millions is a lot of money they could be making down the road.[/QUOTE]

So uh, why would Universal not want to cash in on the other 2/3rds of the market? When all is said and done I think the only studio that won't go neutral is Sony, for obvious reasons.
 
Honestly, even if it were free, I wouldn't want it. I already have a Blu-Ray player and if I really wanted an HD DVD player, I'd buy a halfway decent one. This would just be clutter.
 
I'd pick one up for $129 while the free movies promo is going on, but after this, less than $100 and I might bite. If I really want to see a movie in HD, I'll just rent it from the marketplace. If it's not available, I'll settle for renting it from Blockbuster.
 
Probably wait until it's less than $99 or not get one at all. I plan on purchasing a PS3 within a year or so and I'll see how well movies look on that first.
 
Yeah, I've got to say $99.99. I don't need hi-def dvds right now, but at $100 it'd be a little hard to pass up (and by then they'd have a stellar lineup as well).
 
At $100 its a worthy short term investment. $180 is steep for a player that looks like it could be a dead format in a couple years
 
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Go ahead...read it :roll:[/QUOTE]

Stop getting so damn defensive over this. Blu-Ray holds the lead by a significant amount. If this lead continues to grow substantially over the course of the next year or so, you're going to see more and more studios jump ship to the point where HD-DVD might actually die as a format, or, at the very least, is reduced to a (relatively) small number of releases a year until both formats die out. Will it happen? Whose to say, but it certainly can happen.

As the the topic itself, I'm holding out until it's $99.99 and comes with at least two free movies. Until then I'll have to make due with BRD for the big movies I want, and DVD for everything else.
 
[quote name='Richlough']I just picked one up , the 5 free movies and $20 drop were adequite .

I bought Batman Begins too .[/QUOTE]

I went back and PM'd the BB 300 deal and picked up Superman II : The Donner Cut .
 
I'd never buy the HDDVD player because the Xbox is too loud to be used for anything but games. I want to hear my movies, not my disc player. Until the 360 gets PS3 silent, there's no hope for it as a part of my movie watching experience.
 
$0 as an external device

However I'd pay up to $80 more to have it included with the 360. I just don't want extra crap sticking out of my 360. The Elite really should have included it as an internal device.

As for the format war I don't think anyone will win. With the recent addition of Paramount to the HD-DVD exclusive ranks it just gets worse.

Personally I feel that this format will be bypassed in favor of full digital distribution
 
I already own it, picked it up at cc last xmas with the $50 off $200 purchase coupon. Personally, I think the hd dvd add on should be at most $99. With standalone players at about $200, and the fact that the add on uses the 360 to do most of the work, I would imagine that accessory is dirt cheap.
 
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