Wii U - General Discussion Thread

dmaul1114 said:
Honestly, Nintendo just needs to keep failing and go away. There has generally never been room for three major consoles in the core gaming market. There's usually been two main consoles, and then one or two other irrelevant machines in distant third or worse. I guess one exception would be the PS2 generation since the GC and Xbox were close for second, but both way behind the PS2. Last gen bucked the trend too, but just becaue the Wii found a market outside the gaming core.

We can talk our heads off about what they should do, but the fact is there just isn't room for a Nintendo console. Most prefer Sony and/or MS now and there not much they can do to change that now. They've messed up with fore gamers for too long. They're viewed as antiquated and for kids, and not providing the online experience, "mature" games etc. that today's core gamers expect and want.

Portables are a different story, but that's a shrinking market as more people and kids move to phones and tablets for portable gaming.

In any case I don't regret my Wii U or 3DS purchases by any means. But I'm pretty set on never buying another piece of Nintendo hardware. It's just not worth it for the ten or so first party games a generation that interest me. If they ever go third party or merge with Sony or something i'd gladly buy their games after this gen. But otherwise I'll get my fix now and go without going forward.
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You have it wrong Microsoft is the ones that need to go away.

 
Deader2818 said:
You have it wrong Microsoft is the ones that need to go away.
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I don't think we need two Japanese consoles.

Having one Eastern and one western console maker is ideal IMO in terms of variety.

In a perfect world Nintendo and Sony would partner up in the east and MS would fade away and Valve would take their spot in the west with Steam boxes and gaming rigs. But that's a pipe dream.
 
Microsoft just takes ideas from Sony and Nintendo and then Sega before them so its not like they are really adding anything to the gaming world.

 
Well since the conversation has now come full circle we might as well face the facts that either Steam or Apple will put all of them out of their misery at least out here in the West.

"'The threat right now is that Apple has gained a huge amount of market share, and has a relatively obvious pathway towards entering the living room with their platform,' Newell said. 'I think that there’s a scenario where we see sort of a dumbed down living room platform emerging — I think Apple rolls the console guys really easily. The question is can we make enough progress in the PC space to establish ourselves there, and also figure out better ways of addressing mobile before Apple takes over the living room?'” - Gabe Newell
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P.S. M$ brought bags and bags of money to gaming. They also created XBL and made FPS games the dominant genre on consoles.

 
kill3r7 said:
P.S. M$ brought bags and bags of money to gaming. They also created XBL and made FPS games the dominant genre on consoles.
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Hence, why they did more bad than good. Also, Dreamcast was the one that started DLC and on line gaming, sadly it was just a bit a head of its time.

 
TimboSliceGB said:
Really? Was not xbox live the first legit home gaming system online network? Your Hattrid for ms really showing now.
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No, Sega was doing online WAY before Microsoft. You might be to young to remember the Sega channel way back in the 90s.

Microsoft basically took a lot of the ground work sega did before them and made it into a network, they hardly came up with the idea.

 
Deader2818 said:
Not really, but if one of the 3 has to go, id prefer it to be Microsoft as they bring the least to the table.

But if it helps you sleep at night you can go ahead and think that.
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Plz explain how they bring the least? All Nintendo does is pump out Mario/Zelda games an do nothing but gimicks on home and handheld systems
 
TimboSliceGB said:
Plz explain how they bring the least? All Nintendo does is pump out Mario/Zelda games an do nothing but gimicks on home and handheld systems
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Nintendo has done a hell of a lot more for gaming than Microsoft ever has. Nintendo tries to innovate, and try new things and not just copy what every one else does. Sometimes it doesnt work, other times it does.

But what does it matter? You are clearly pro-Microsoft and support anything they do while shitting on Sony and Nintendo.

 
Deader2818 said:
No, Sega was doing online WAY before Microsoft. You might be to young to remember the Sega channel way back in the 90s.


Microsoft basically took a lot of the ground work sega did before them and made it into a network, they hardly came up with the idea.
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You compare xbox live to a pay to play Ppv Channel provided by time warner cable? Plzzzzzzz
 
TimboSliceGB said:
You compare xbox live to a pay to play Ppv Channel provided by time warner cable? Plzzzzzzz
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Why are we even discussing anything anyways? You know we don't have a discussion, we will just have a back and forward, you will go off the handle again and we go back to ignoring each other.

Lets just realize what this is and move on.

But no, im not comparing, as the technogly was totally different in the mid 90s to the mid 2000s.

Simply stating, the idea of gaming on line was tried way before Microsoft came along with Xbox live. Like I said, Dreamcast did this before Xbox came out with DLC etc but was just to ahead of its time at that point.

 
Deader2818 said:
Nintendo has done a hell of a lot more for gaming than Microsoft ever has. Nintendo tries to innovate, and try new things and not just copy what every one else does. Sometimes it doesnt work, other times it does.

But what does it matter? You are clearly pro-Microsoft and support anything they do while shitting on Sony and Nintendo.
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Yeah your right I never once bashed something ms did. And I have not prased Sony on some things and god dang I have not owned 3ds and wii u since launch I'm awful man. All 3 have a spot in gaming world and one big 3 going down is bad for gaming jndustry.
 
TimboSliceGB said:
Yeah your right I never once bashed something ms did. And I have not prased Sony on some things and god dang I have not owned 3ds and wii u since launch I'm awful man. All 3 have a spot in gaming world and one big 3 going down is bad for gaming jndustry.
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And I never said it wasn't. I didn't say "I want Microsoft to get out of gaming"

Simply said imo, if one of them had to fail, id prefer it to be Microsoft as I believe the bring the least to the table.

 
[quote name="FriskyTanuki" post="11489964" timestamp="1391205894"]I'd rather get more thoughtfully-designed games like TLOZ A Link Between Worlds that is a way better homage to the classic it's based on than any New Super Mario Bros. game. [/quote]

Definitely. I really want a top-down Zelda like ALBW but for the WiiU with HD graphics. A port would be great at this point! I'd buy it again in a second.
 
lmao @ M$ pioneering anything, lets take our heads out of our asses.

TimboSliceGB said:
Your Hattrid for ms really showing now.
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TimboSliceGB said:
Really? Was not xbox live the first legit home gaming system online network? Your Hattrid for ms really showing now.
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Not really... Famicom, Super Famicom, N64, GameCube, Mega Drive, Genesis, Saturn, Dreamcast and Playstation 2 all had networks prior to the launch of Xbox Live. Xbox Live did a great job at unifying the experience and making it easier for the end user. Perhaps the best thing they did was require an Ethernet connection from the get go as opposed to allowing dial-up. Regardless, I don't really see what any of that has to do with the Wii U.

...I think what Nintendo probably needs to do is to get into a mid-generation cycle. It would help differentiate themselves more and I think that's important for Nintendo to be successful. I think what made the Wii successful is that it was very different from the PS3/360 and the Wii U isn't different enough from its predecessor or its competition.

 
KillerRamen said:
Not really... Famicom, Super Famicom, N64, GameCube, Mega Drive, Genesis, Saturn, Dreamcast and Playstation 2 all had networks prior to the launch of Xbox Live. Xbox Live did a great job at unifying the experience and making it easier for the end user. Perhaps the best thing they did was require an Ethernet connection from the get go as opposed to allowing dial-up. Regardless, I don't really see what any of that has to do with the Wii U.

...I think what Nintendo probably needs to do is to get into a mid-generation cycle. It would help differentiate themselves more and I think that's important for Nintendo to be successful. I think what made the Wii successful is that it was very different from the PS3/360 and the Wii U isn't different enough from its predecessor or its competition.
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To be fair, Xbox Live compared to those networks is akin to comparing the Internet in it's current state to fucking telnet. Xbox 360 did a lot for gaming. People complain about the "entertainment box" aspect of the Xbox One but a lot of people use their consoles for Netflix and other streaming apps. If MS had not been there that may have never happened. The Xbox 360 was the first device capable of streaming netflix after PC.

 
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Blaster man said:
To be fair, Xbox Live compared to those networks is akin to comparing the Internet in it's current state to fucking telnet. Xbox 360 did a lot for gaming. People complain about the "entertainment box" aspect of the Xbox One but a lot of people use their consoles for Netflix and other streaming apps. If MS had not been there that may have never happened. The Xbox 360 was the first device capable of streaming netflix after PC.
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Yeah but none of that really has to do with gaming really.

 
KillerRamen said:
Not really... Famicom, Super Famicom, N64, GameCube, Mega Drive, Genesis, Saturn, Dreamcast and Playstation 2 all had networks prior to the launch of Xbox Live. Xbox Live did a great job at unifying the experience and making it easier for the end user. Perhaps the best thing they did was require an Ethernet connection from the get go as opposed to allowing dial-up. Regardless, I don't really see what any of that has to do with the Wii U.

...I think what Nintendo probably needs to do is to get into a mid-generation cycle. It would help differentiate themselves more and I think that's important for Nintendo to be successful. I think what made the Wii successful is that it was very different from the PS3/360 and the Wii U isn't different enough from its predecessor or its competition.
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what made wii successful was omg look i can play bowling at home and can wave my arms to do things on screen omg!!. do you really think those millions upon millions got wii for mario games?

 
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Deader2818 said:
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Yeah but none of that really has to do with gaming really.
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you sir need to realize the game industry is changing don't matter if it's ms/sony/nintendo they are all fighting to be THE ONLY THING you use in your entertainment area. Most people past the hardcore gamer numbers use gaming systems for non gaming things then they do for gaming. This is no longer the snes/ps1 days where it's all about games games games

I know for me this day and age if i toss out 400-500 bucks for gaming system i want it doing more then gaming.

 
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TimboSliceGB said:
you sir need to realize the game industry is changing don't matter if it's ms/sony/nintendo they are all fighting to be THE ONLY THING you use in your entertainment area. Most people past the hardcore gamer numbers use gaming systems for non gaming things then they do for gaming. This is no longer the snes/ps1 days where it's all about games games games
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yes, I get all that, but people that donlt care about doing any gaming at all will just get a box that can stream etc and not spend 400-500 for a console.

It doesn't change the fact that as a GAMER i value companies that try to change how we game and how we interact with games. The other stuff is nice and all but I really don't care about that when it comes to gaming.

Make sense?

 
Deader2818 said:
yes, I get all that, but people that donlt care about doing any gaming at all will just get a box that can stream etc and not spend 400-500 for a console.

It doesn't change the fact that as a GAMER i value companies that try to change how we game and how we interact with games. The other stuff is nice and all but I really don't care about that when it comes to gaming.

Make sense?
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it does make since but companys like ms/sony/nintendo know they have gamers in the bag to buy their system they now have to get these casuals to buythese things so for them as companys have to focus on non gaming items. i know alot of people that got 360's/ps3's this last gen for mostly streaming and random gaming.

i think all 3 companys try to do things to interact more with games. nintendo with the wii mote/ms with kinect and sony with psmove and now touchpad on ps4 controller.

 
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TimboSliceGB said:
it does make since but companys like ms/sony/nintendo know they have gamers in the bag to buy their system they now have to get these casuals to buythese things so for them as companys have to focus on non gaming items.
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Which is likely why you will start to see a decline in the industry. The casuals now have phones, tablets, boxes etc to watch movies and listen to music on. They can watch things on the go and then just hook it up to their TV when they get home.

The sales on games, software and hardware wise, have been going down for awhile now.

 
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TimboSliceGB said:
what made wii successful was omg look i can play bowling at home and can wave my arms to do things on screen omg!!. do you really think those millions upon millions got wii for mario games?
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New Super Mario Bros Wii selling over 27 million and Mario Kart selling over 34 million say yes. And although not as massive, Galaxy sold over 11 million which is pretty huge too.

 
Deader2818 said:
Which is likely why you will start to see a decline in the industry. The casuals now have phones, tablets, boxes etc to watch movies and listen to music on. They can watch things on the go and then just hook it up to their TV when they get home.

The sales on games, software and hardware wise, have been going down for awhile now.
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oh for sure and you know it's bad when a company like nintendo that rely heavly on casuals have awful years like last couple for them other then 3ds. i hate to think about it but by the time this new gen is over game industry might be in the toilet. the biggest casual game for years now has been cod and ghost sales tanked this year which is another bad sign.

 
Erad30 said:
New Super Mario Bros Wii selling over 27 million and Mario Kart selling over 34 million say yes. And although not as massive, Galaxy sold over 11 million which is pretty huge too.
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then why is wii u sales bad when it has a amazing mario game and soon mario kart. Don't fool you self the avg person got the wii because of the motion control gimmick. How many of those buyers just played wii sports non stop i know tons that did that.

 
That's because they have milked the COD cow until it was dust and are still milking it. They did it before with Medal of Honor and next will be Titanfall, don't be surprised if we get burned out on that shit before this gen is even over because they'll release a new one every year with minor improvements

 
Erad30 said:
That's because they have milked the COD cow until it was dust and are still milking it. They did it before with Medal of Honor and next will be Titanfall, don't be surprised if we get burned out on that shit before this gen is even over because they'll release a new one every year with minor improvements
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medal of honor had alot of great games was sad to see it go so early but the reboot sucked. EA will not release titanfall every year i would say next one would be out 2016.

cod went down the pooper once the org makers left that's when they started to do dumb junk into the game destroying it.

cod ghost has avg 180k playing at once i remember back in mw2 days avg min by min was 1.2 million people .

 
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TimboSliceGB said:
then why is wii u sales bad when it has a amazing mario game and soon mario kart. Don't fool you self the avg person got the wii because of the motion control gimmick. How many of those buyers just played wii sports non stop i know tons that did that.
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There's a lot of factors to consider here, we can all agree marketing has been terrible, and the price has been too high for the casual market, I mean the Wii launched at $250 with a game that really stated what it was about. The Wii U sadly doesn't have anything that expresses that in a such a simple manner, and maybe that's just not possible anyways. Nintendoland is a mess of half finished ideas that seem really complex in comparison. The gamepad is intimidating and bulky and has shit battery life. There's a lot wrong with the Wii U that a simple great Mario game won't fix. It has virtually no momentum.

 
TimboSliceGB said:
then why is wii u sales bad when it has a amazing mario game and soon mario kart. Don't fool you self the avg person got the wii because of the motion control gimmick. How many of those buyers just played wii sports non stop i know tons that did that.
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Cause honestly, the Wii U sold pretty well during the holiday season after Mario 3D World came out. Their numbers were bad for the year because they had a terrible Jan-Aug. Aug-Nov it started to pick up and Dec it really started to sell well. Super Mario 3D world has already sold close to 2 million worldwide. New Super Mario U has sold almost 4 million world wide.

 
right when they named it wii u i was puzzled and worried it would affect it. Now nintendo even admits name was kind of bad idea seeing most casuals think it's a wii add on with gamepad. If nintendo was smart at launch of mario kart they would come out with a package without gamepad for price of 250 if not less. 

even the holiday ads this year talking about upgrade did not help either just made people think again it was just a upgraded wii for 300 bucks.

 
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TimboSliceGB said:
right when they named it wii u i was puzzled and worried it would affect it. Now nintendo even admits name was kind of bad idea seeing most casuals think it's a wii add on with gamepad. If nintendo was smart at launch of mario kart they would come out with a package without gamepad for price of 250 if not less.
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They aren't going to drop the gamepad, lol.

 
Yeah you need the gamepad just to get the game to start. I don't think there is any other way to get your game running without the gamepad.

 
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TimboSliceGB said:
gamepad is why they are losing so much money on the system
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If they get rid of the gamepad then at that point just discontinue the whole system.

They have admit the gamepad is the Wii Us weakness but they said its because they didn't do a good enough job explaining/showing whats so great about the gamepad which is why they are focusing on making games that make use of all the features the gamepad has to offer.

 
TimboSliceGB said:
same thing ms said when kinect had ot be plugged in we seen how that turned out. would not be hard for nintendo to not require gamepad
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They would have to completely change the software on the Wii U to do so and that is not something that is very easy to do.

Not impossible though.

 
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well mario kart should move systems heading into e3 and hopefully smash bros is out in fall that would really sell systems so could be a up year for nintendo.

 
The best thing MS did was get most the dude bros and kids that just want to play shooters and talk shit mostly concentrates in one platform so the rest of us can mostly avoid them. :)

Online gaming is much more pleasant on Sony or PC as you run into a lot less griefers, shit talkers etc. Though PS4 will probably end up worse since it's selling more and packs in a mic unlike the PS3. Moot for me as I quit playing competitive inline games or any type of gaming with randoms.
 
dmaul1114 said:
The best thing MS did was get most the dude bros and kids that just want to play shooters and talk shit mostly concentrates in one platform so the rest of us can mostly avoid them. :)

Online gaming is much more pleasant on Sony or PC as you run into a lot less griefers, shit talkers etc. Though PS4 will probably end up worse since it's selling more and packs in a mic unlike the PS3. Moot for me as I quit playing competitive inline games or any type of gaming with randoms.
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wait since when is not most highest selling games on pc/sony systems not some form of shooting games? i will admit at times people with mics are annoying but it's great to play games like battlefield and have team work then not having people talking and no team work going on.

 
Nintendo should put some efforts into one well made online game. They could use the exp building out all the diff systems that go into. Software wise & hardware.

A new IP or not. I have a hard time seeing their traditional franchises keeping an online community interested for too long. Obviously smash bros could but that's fighting so it'd naturally limit the audience size.

A good adventure game featuring maybe crafting or co-op teams would be cool
 
If either New Super Mario Bros U or Super Mario 3D World were online I think that would've been huge. Or Pikmin 3 with on-line co-op. They seem to just not get online whatsoever and I appreciate that they are pretty much the only company that still has plenty of "couch-play" stuff, but most of my friends and family are way too busy/spread out for us getting several people together at one place and I imagine that's the norm these days. Nearly every franchise they have could have some kind of awesome online aspect but they just don't do it or it's very limited.

 
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