Xbox One on the way. DRM removed, more details to come.

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[quote name='Superstar']Don't worry - it's just the cool thing to do to bash Microsoft. It will be back to EA bashing soon enough I am sure. ;)[/QUOTE]

once sony announces used game fee. NO WAY in heck EA gets rid of online pass if both sony and ms don't have some kind of used game fee in place NO WAY i don't care what people say EA would lose money on ps4 with no online pass and they hate to lose money.
 
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Great gif.
 
[quote name='TimboSliceGB']what dose that have to do with anything? they will make more with used game fees on next gen systems they don't care about these systems anymore[/QUOTE]

They should. How long is it going to take for these next gen systems to reach the current userbase? They are willing to give up 80 million + potential online passes to start a new interface that wont even effect 25% of that for several years.

And parts of me wonder if PS4 really will do a similar thing with fees. EA may be pissed they dont do it, but since EA signed exclusive stuff to MS, Sony may use that to their advantage.

"oh, you dont wanna give both consoles equal opportunity? We will remember that when it comes to online fees. Perhaps the money MS is giving you will recoup the costs of lost PS4 used game fees..."

Just a little thing to cross my mind.
 
[quote name='TimboSliceGB']what dose that have to do with anything? they will make more with used game fees on next gen systems they don't care about these systems anymore[/QUOTE]

Gonna quote what 4th Horseman said.

[quote name='4thHorseman']They should. How long is it going to take for these next gen systems to reach the current userbase? They are willing to give up 80 million + potential online passes to start a new interface that wont even effect 25% of that for several years.[/QUOTE]


And then also point out directly from the article:

earlier this month the company shared that it won't be including the certificates with new games
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[quote name='Blaster man']http://m.techcrunch.com/2013/04/23/...th-korea-japan-and-hong-kong-still-far-ahead/[/QUOTE]

True but you have to also weigh how spread out we all are in the US compared to Japan and South Korea. I'd have to say though yeah broadband needs to reach more people in the states, my folks are out in the sticks so to speak and are on Verizon's cell service for internet. Before that they had satellite but since I left they don't use the internet as much although the Verizon only gives them 5 GB for a cap so an always connected device, I don't think that would work there.
 
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lets be hoenst this past gen yes exlusives on ps3 looked way better then ones on 360 but some 360 only games looke great like gears of war. When it came to non exlusvies their was not that much diff between the two heck most games ran better on 360 then ps3 seeing most 3rd party games were ported to ps3. Seeing most companys never use full power of systems till at least end of life span games coming out that are 3rd party will not look that much diff on x1 and ps4.
 
[quote name='4thHorseman']They should. How long is it going to take for these next gen systems to reach the current userbase? They are willing to give up 80 million + potential online passes to start a new interface that wont even effect 25% of that for several years.

And parts of me wonder if PS4 really will do a similar thing with fees. EA may be pissed they dont do it, but since EA signed exclusive stuff to MS, Sony may use that to their advantage.

"oh, you dont wanna give both consoles equal opportunity? We will remember that when it comes to online fees. Perhaps the money MS is giving you will recoup the costs of lost PS4 used game fees..."

Just a little thing to cross my mind.[/QUOTE]

i really do think alot of companys will support 360 and ps3 for several years. thankfully microsoft is allowing it to happen unlike once 360 came out they did not want newer big games on xbox. i just think companys like ms know they will make tons off of used game fees on new systems that they no longer needed them on 360 and ps3 games.
 
The impression I get with Xbone is that whatever exclusive stuff Microsoft is going to get for it is because of how they're doing their used game/drm system. If Microsoft suddenly took that stuff away before the system launches, they'd have to change not only how the system works, but put on the shelf or throw away all the money they spent into implementing that system, and Microsoft is stubborn enough to not do that. Additionally, doing so would hurt their relationship with third parties that pushed them into that situation to begin with.
 
[quote name='tokyostomp']found Timbo out
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This is the first non deal thread that I've read through. I hope the others aren't like this.
 
[quote name='tokyostomp']found Timbo out

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/How-Spot-Viral-Marketer-Gaming-Community-56291.html[/QUOTE]

So is the whole "I can't speak English" part of the character he created for that job?

I don't know how you guys can read his posts without tearing your hair out. I know this is the Internet and people who actually know grammar are considered to be the weird ones (or "talk like a f a g" if you've seen idiocracy) but FFS how many times can you guys read about different "companys" and take the post seriously.
 
[quote name='KingBroly']The impression I get with Xbone is that whatever exclusive stuff Microsoft is going to get for it is because of how they're doing their used game/drm system. If Microsoft suddenly took that stuff away before the system launches, they'd have to change not only how the system works, but put on the shelf or throw away all the money they spent into implementing that system, and Microsoft is stubborn enough to not do that. Additionally, doing so would hurt their relationship with third parties that pushed them into that situation to begin with.[/QUOTE]

Microsoft appears to be leaning very heavily on the segment of the gaming population which only buys 2-3 games a year. That may be great for getting the console into living-rooms and Gold subscriptions and so on but it is a totally shitty strategy for third-parties, attach rates, and just plain long-term industry health type stuff.

Xbox One is Microsoft's full-on grab for the one box which rules your living-room but will it be more akin to their past successes or will it wallow in the realm of the new Microsoft with Zune and Windows Phone and Windows 8?

Ballmer is looking to completely restructure, Windows 8 is flailing while people are praying for 8.1 to be the fix, Zune, Surface, the new Office is having its share of woes and so on. Microsoft is still rich but they are twisting in the wind in terms of direction and leadership and they have been since Gates stepped aside.

Hell, nearly the entire original DirectX Box team is long gone and it shows. It's all Project Midway now when it comes to the Xbox and the gaming-focused people...they are almost all working elsewhere these days.
 
[quote name='Fell Open Ian']Microsoft appears to be leaning very heavily on the segment of the gaming population which only buys 2-3 games a year. That may be great for getting the console into living-rooms and Gold subscriptions and so on but it is a totally shitty strategy for third-parties, attach rates, and just plain long-term industry health type stuff.

Xbox One is Microsoft's full-on grab for the one box which rules your living-room but will it be more akin to their past successes or will it wallow in the realm of the new Microsoft with Zune and Windows Phone and Windows 8?

Ballmer is looking to completely restructure, Windows 8 is flailing while people are praying for 8.1 to be the fix, Zune, Surface, the new Office is having its share of woes and so on. Microsoft is still rich but they are twisting in the wind in terms of direction and leadership and they have been since Gates stepped aside.

Hell, nearly the entire original DirectX Box team is long gone and it shows. It's all Project Midway now when it comes to the Xbox and the gaming-focused people...they are almost all working elsewhere these days.[/QUOTE]

windows 8 is not bad at all it's just as good as windows 7 with added apps my gpu works even better on windows 8 then 7 which means games run better also
 
[quote name='Fell Open Ian']Microsoft appears to be leaning very heavily on the segment of the gaming population which only buys 2-3 games a year. That may be great for getting the console into living-rooms and Gold subscriptions and so on but it is a totally shitty strategy for third-parties, attach rates, and just plain long-term industry health type stuff.

Xbox One is Microsoft's full-on grab for the one box which rules your living-room but will it be more akin to their past successes or will it wallow in the realm of the new Microsoft with Zune and Windows Phone and Windows 8?

Ballmer is looking to completely restructure, Windows 8 is flailing while people are praying for 8.1 to be the fix, Zune, Surface, the new Office is having its share of woes and so on. Microsoft is still rich but they are twisting in the wind in terms of direction and leadership and they have been since Gates stepped aside.

Hell, nearly the entire original DirectX Box team is long gone and it shows. It's all Project Midway now when it comes to the Xbox and the gaming-focused people...they are almost all working elsewhere these days.[/QUOTE]

The problem is that casual 2-3 game buyers a year don't buy launch consoles. They wait for price cuts and a robust library to choose from. It's the hardcore fans and gamers that determine a console's first 1-2 years of success and casual game buyers/players that determine its long-term viability...
 
[quote name='confoosious']So is the whole "I can't speak English" part of the character he created for that job?

I don't know how you guys can read his posts without tearing your hair out. I know this is the Internet and people who actually know grammar are considered to be the weird ones (or "talk like a f a g" if you've seen idiocracy) but FFS how many times can you guys read about different "companys" and take the post seriously.[/QUOTE]

Yup, solution just skip those posts.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']The problem is that casual 2-3 game buyers a year don't buy launch consoles. They wait for price cuts and a robust library to choose from. It's the hardcore fans and gamers that determine a console's first 1-2 years of success and casual game buyers/players that determine its long-term viability...[/QUOTE]

Pretty much true.

Though there are those who game a TON but only play a few games a year be it just sports titles, CoD and another online shooter or two etc. who buy day 1 to play the latest and greatest versions of those.

MS seems to be banking on those since they have Halo and Gears with big communities as first party exclusives and a much more active CoD community.
 
[quote name='Erad30']Hahaha Windows 8 isn't bad now I know he's not a real human being.[/QUOTE]

Windows 8 isn't bad. It just has a 'different' start menu. Technically speaking, it's solid.
 
Yeah, Windows 8 is fine. And there are plenty of free programs like ViiStart that add a start button back and let you set it to start to the desktop etc.

I think MS is doing that with 8.1 anyway for people who hate the tiles. I don't mind them on my g/f's laptop, kind of handy once she tweaked them in size and layout.
 
[quote name='Blaster man']Pachter's predicting the PS4 launching at 350 and X1 at 400.
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articl...ystation-4-to-sell-for-USD349-xbox-one-USD399[/QUOTE]

:rofl: I hope this is the typical "Pachter's completely off-base" prediction. If not though, good luck launching as the most expensive console Microsoft when you're already on the hot seat...

A $350 PS4, provided there isn't similar DRM schemes is right about in my neighborhood of buying at launch. Xbox One, on the other hand would have to be $150-200 tops for me to even passingly considering putting up with all their garbage...
 
[quote name='GamerDude316']Man if thats true I may go with a PS4...$350 isnt a terrible launch price at all....[/QUOTE]
No. It's unbelievably low actually. I can't imagine it's not 400...
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']:rofl: I hope this is the typical "Pachter's completely off-base" prediction. If not though, good luck launching as the most expensive console Microsoft when you're already on the hot seat...

A $350 PS4, provided there isn't similar DRM schemes is right about in my neighborhood of buying at launch. Xbox One, on the other hand would have to be $150-200 tops for me to even passingly considering putting up with all their garbage...[/QUOTE]
$400 is more likely, might be $450. If it really ends up being $350. It will force nintendo to drop the price on wii-u
 
I love how people think $400, or even $500 is a lot of money for a console. Buy or build a PC with the same specs and see what it runs you.
 
[quote name='Superstar']I love how people think $400, or even $500 is a lot of money for a console. Buy or build a PC with the same specs and see what it runs you.[/QUOTE]

Okay where can I get the gddr5?
 
I think it's almost certain that they'll offer a subsidized version with 2 year XBL Gold contract, and that will be awfully tempting. Pay for the thing gradually with some interest, get Gold while you are at it.

 
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=576869

Take that for what you will 

- Supposed Heat issues (and here I thought MS would learn from the RROD)

- Because of said heat issues, system will be slower now. Perhaps PS4 even double the XBox One?

Time will tell. Me buying at one launch is becoming even a bigger gamble.

Theres also a video of the interface being laggy/choppy as all hell but I can't find that video anymore.

 
Something just occurred to me, you think they will put in some kind of Kinect feature, such as trivia or Skype or something, on the new Halo series?
 
So...what happens when a publisher declares bankruptcy?  Can you still "trade in" or "give away" your game?  Even if re-licensing is free, can you get a license from a bankrupt publisher?  What happens if that IP is not purchased at auction?  Will you even be able to move it from one Xbox One you own to another one?

 
Probably not.  They've developed an eco-system that's so central to you installing it to your hard drive that by removing that feature you've basically thrown a ton of money down the toilet.  Microsoft isn't going to do that.  They're going to continue to be Microsoft and say 'tough toenails' to those that don't like it, because they've made so many deals with publishers to implement it and doing anything other than would hurt them further.  They're going to do what they always do, try and spend the problem away.

 
So this is kind of a odd thing, but my friend entered the contest on gametrailers for a XBox One and saw this.
Just entered to win an Xbox One from Gametrailers and I wanted to see when they would announce the winners. But I saw this 
3. Entry period commences 11:59:59 a.m. (Eastern Standard Time), June 4, 2013 and ends 11:59:59 p.m. (Eastern Standard Time), June 6, 2013 (the "Entry Period"). One winner (the “Winner”) will be selected by Sponsor in a random drawing from among all eligible entries on or about June 24, 2013 (the “Drawing”). Odds of winning will depend on the total number of eligible entries received. Limit one (1) Prize per household.
 
The approximate retail value of the Prize is $350.00.
 
XBox One $350?
 
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Just saw on twitter, games journalists are reporting MS is cancelling pre and post press conferences. So all they'll do is put on the big stage show and THAT'S IT. What the fuck is going on over there?

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So this is kind of a odd thing, but my friend entered the contest on gametrailers for a XBox One and saw this.
Just entered to win an Xbox One from Gametrailers and I wanted to see when they would announce the winners. But I saw this
3. Entry period commences 11:59:59 a.m. (Eastern Standard Time), June 4, 2013 and ends 11:59:59 p.m. (Eastern Standard Time), June 6, 2013 (the "Entry Period"). One winner (the “Winner”) will be selected by Sponsor in a random drawing from among all eligible entries on or about June 24, 2013 (the “Drawing”). Odds of winning will depend on the total number of eligible entries received. Limit one (1) Prize per household.

The approximate retail value of the Prize is $350.00.

XBox One $350?
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Sounds about right based on Pachter. This could be the lower end SKU?
 
Yeah Windows 8 isn't bad now that more driver and software issues have been worked-through and it's even full-on good for certain games over Windows 7. I was mostly speaking to 8's sales and general perception in terms of it being a touchscreen focused UI that people can't be bothered to bolt a Start Menu app onto themselves. (yay ClassicShell)

But there are truly troubling things floating around now about Microsoft as a whole restructuring as well as with the more specific Xbox One stuff with bad yields, the totally faked and rushed OS, and so forth. I was a huge day-01-waiting-in-line-original-Xbox fan but the bad signs surrounding the Xbox One are looking more and more like how certain things were surrounding the 360 launch and that, my friends, ended-up with a 1 billion dollar fix due to RRoDs.

Things are looking rushed and scattered and potential day 01 purchasers should be scared shitless after what happened with the 360.

 
KingBroly said:
So this happened: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=61424181&postcount=1636

While it may seem drunk to you, this guy is 100% accurate. It's insane that Microsoft's been asleep at the wheel this whole time.
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Someone said this on there as a translation:
Mods, you can remove "rumor" from the title. ESRAM yields are "troubling" to put it lightly.

This is factual truth.

Btw, you won't hear tech talk at LS' conference. And the tech is cannot change at this point. They're stuck with it.

MS rushed, they were caught off guard by Sony, due to a failure in leadership.

Supposedly that guy is the holy grail there, only been wrong one. He posts like that to not get caught. This is REALLY bad for MS in terms of power, PS4 might double the xbox one?
 
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Really not looking good for Xbox one with the yield problems, cancelling the media round table etc.  It really does look like they were just caught off guard by Sony announcing the PS4 and rushed to get their next gen console out and are really mucking it up.

I'm still going to stay in wait and see mode, but it's looking more and more like I'll just go with PS4.  I've been playing my PS3 mostly the past week or two anyway, and have a pretty big backlog there, so no rush to get a next gen console.  On a related note, I got the Pelican real triggers and silicone caps for the sticks and like the dual shock controller a lot better now--just wish more games let you switch the shoulder buttons and triggers--would have loved to use the triggers for aiming and shooting in Uncharted 3 (finished it last night) with the real triggers on the controller.

Would be hard to miss out on Gears and Halo sequels though.  But I did love the Uncharted series (played through them all over the past year or so) and still need to check out some other Sony exclusives like the Infamous games.

 
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