Xbox One on the way. DRM removed, more details to come.

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This was a few pages back, but a point was brought up that you can look in the guide for your favorite channels instead of scrolling through hundreds of channels you don't watch.

Thing is, a lot of DVRs and cable boxes allow you to change your lineup to only look at channels you want. Hell, my TiVo does that and it's so old they don't make my model anymore.
 
[quote name='confoosious']Why are you comparing it to steam? Compare it to the 360.[/QUOTE]

I'm comparing it to Steam because, like physical copies of Steam games, all that the Xbox One discs are actually for is installing the game and registering the key to your account.
 
[quote name='DNukem170']This was a few pages back, but a point was brought up that you can look in the guide for your favorite channels instead of scrolling through hundreds of channels you don't watch.

Thing is, a lot of DVRs and cable boxes allow you to change your lineup to only look at channels you want. Hell, my TiVo does that and it's so old they don't make my model anymore.[/QUOTE]

They should have something with Kinect where you just say "Xbox HBO" or the name of the station and it goes to it. I know TNT is a station which may have something I want to watch for example, but I don't have a clue what channel it actually is. Or I could say "Xbox what's on TNT" and it just shows a pop up which tells me what's currently playing on that channel. Or maybe they have crap like that already I don't really know.

Edit: Of course I dont know why this crap isnt already a function of newer TVs or DVRs or whatver. Again though maybe it is or it will soon be I don't pay much attention to whats going on with TV.
 
[quote name='Fell Open Ian']I'm comparing it to Steam because, like physical copies of Steam games, all that the Xbox One discs are actually for is installing the game and registering the key to your account.[/QUOTE]

Except you can resell your Xbox1 discs. That's a huge difference.
 
Woo Xbox One!
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Dat fish AI!

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[quote name='confoosious']Except you can resell your Xbox1 discs. That's a huge difference.[/QUOTE]
Exactly this. It's the trade off for being able to sell your game disk and I think it's well worth it...

This helps a good bit with the problems I had with the Xbox One but I still have an issue with the "connect every 24 hours" and the "Kinect is connected all the time" things. Also the fact that it's weaker than the PS4 is a bit of a problem for me. maybe it will be cheaper?
 
[quote name='confoosious']Why are you comparing it to steam? Compare it to the 360.

Steam won't let you resell your games.

Steam !=Xbox1[/QUOTE]

If you wanna compare it to the 360, you need the disc to be in there if you install the game to the HDD, that's the only point of verification.

The new system will eliminate that need, but replace the authorization with many different points of verification, whether that's your initial purchase disc, download tied to your account or the online check the system will call home to do however often MS decides in the end.

What if you played a game you had installed on your system for months before you even noticed it was lost or stolen?

It is exactly BECAUSE they can be traded in used that the automatic de-authorization process becomes a problem. It's not a problem for steam because the discs are useless after installation.
 
[quote name='brandtron8000']If you wanna compare it to the 360, you need the disc to be in there if you install the game to the HDD, that's the only point of verification.

The new system will eliminate that need, but replace the authorization with many different points of verification, whether that's your initial purchase disc, download tied to your account or the online check the system will call home to do however often MS decides in the end.

What if you played a game you had installed on your system for months before you even noticed it was lost or stolen?

It is exactly BECAUSE they can be traded in used that the automatic de-authorization process becomes a problem. It's not a problem for steam because the discs are useless after installation.[/QUOTE]


Solution: don't lose your discs. Same as before.

There's a lot to complain about regarding the x1 but to complain that the lack of need to have the disc in the system makes it easier for you to lose your disc or have it stolen and you not notice it? Seriously. That's a complaint? Ridiculous.
 
[quote name='tokyostomp']Woo Xbox One!
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Dat fish AI!

That is all.[/QUOTE]

That might be Billy Bass Kinect. One of the new IPs they promised!
 
[quote name='spatenfloot']That might be Billy Bass Kinect. One of the new IPs they promised![/QUOTE]

Sadly I expect a minimum of 3-5 Kinect Only games.

The rest will have required Kinect mandatory features/segments...
 
[quote name='tokyostomp']Sadly I expect a minimum of 3-5 Kinect Only games.

The rest will have required Kinect mandatory features/segments...[/QUOTE]

There will be 2-3 kids games and 1-2 exercise games using kinect heart rate sensor to try to determine calories burned. They're going to have a heavy push towards casual gamers, women, and children. They'll have 4 or 5 core games at most.
 
[quote name='htz']The extent of Kinect 2's visual DRM is beginning to emerge.[/QUOTE]

Ok now I know that site is just stirring shit up.

"Kinect 2 will be able to employ certain DRM measures depending on what it observes in the living room.
That’s the conclusion suggested by a patent filed by Microsoft, and corroborated by sources talking to MCV in the weeks leading up to this week’s Xbox One reveal."

Just because there is a patent does not mean it is happening. Sony has a patent for used games yet no one is insisting they are doing that. This is the same site reporting the used game crap this morning that already seems like it has been debunked.
 
[quote name='cancerman1120']Ok now I know that site is just stirring shit up.

"Kinect 2 will be able to employ certain DRM measures depending on what it observes in the living room.
That’s the conclusion suggested by a patent filed by Microsoft, and corroborated by sources talking to MCV in the weeks leading up to this week’s Xbox One reveal."

Just because there is a patent does not mean it is happening. Sony has a patent for used games yet no one is insisting they are doing that. This is the same site reporting the used game crap this morning that already seems like it has been debunked.[/QUOTE]
First time I took a look at this site, saw it popped up as a hot article on n4g.
 
[quote name='brandtron8000']
I also love that some people's defense is that they will simply buy "one or two games a year" and/or "wait for price drops." Do you think you are the customer MS wants? Sure that may be a personal solution financially (this is CAG afterall), but it would be horrible for the gaming industry if every one did the same.[/QUOTE]

When those consumers averaged 12+ games a year on the 360 and they drop to 1-2 on the X1, they will absolutely care.

[quote name='tokyostomp']On the plus side. They spotted a Crackdown logo. New Crackdown coming?[/QUOTE]

There was a Crackdown orb on one of the dash screens during the presentation. Could just be filler so they wouldn't have to reveal one of the 15 games for E3.
 
[quote name='Broken Cage']Ok, time for an honest report here. If this really does go the way its looking, and MS has restrictions on used games, 24 hour online check in requirement, and always on Kinect sensor. Sony, on the other hand, continues business as usual, no used game restrictions, no online requirement, no Eye integration.

Can you honestly say you'll still buy an Xbox One over a PS4? I mean Microsoft NEEDS Sony to follow suit or they're dead, right?[/QUOTE]

If it was Sony trying to restrict used games, I'd go with Xbox. But people are still going to buy the system, no matter what. It's really a matter of what are you willing to give up to enjoy the system of your choice. There's going to be pros and cons for both systems.


[quote name='KingBroly']I'm sure Sony is going to follow suit with used games in SOME way, whether it be a publisher requirement, offline pass or whatever. Otherwise, it'd be a bloodbath.[/QUOTE]

That's a good point because if MS even has marginal success while restricing used games, then Sony would follow suit. As a matter of fact, the publishers would probably demand that they do. Sony's stance so far is that they're leaving up to the publishers to implement a restriction of used games. They've addressed this issue months ago. Honeslty, Its better for Sony to simply leave it up to the developers as if a developer were to implement such a feature the heat would go towards them and not Sony, however Sony doesn't want to lose business because they don't have the option available. I could see publishers not wanting to release games on PS4 if it doesn't have DRM feature.
 
[quote name='draven1089']I honestly feel we don't need new consoles. Right now we're paying $60 for 6 hour games that have day one patches.. After playing tomb raider it proved to me that developers can still do a lot with the current systems.[/QUOTE]

The first Crysis on PC blows away anything being released today on 360, and how old is that game? The graphics haven't "improved" in at least 4 years. This current generation is one of the longest stretches without a new console release in console game history, I do believe.
 
The whole thing with "no used games," isn't that one of the main advantages of console gaming at this point? I don't see MS offering 90% off discounts on non-big name titles like you can get on PC. PSP Go was a massive failure for one reason and Sony probably hasn't forgotten.
 
I for sure won't be getting a Xbox One if it requires a connection to the internet(I don't have wifi), and I sell/buy almost all my games on ebay used. Not at gamestop and only 1-2 new games a year at best buy. Looks like I will be stuck with my xbox 360 slim for a long time(I don't play playstation)
 
[quote name='Thomas96'] Honeslty, Its better for Sony to simply leave it up to the developers as if a developer were to implement such a feature the heat would go towards them and not Sony, however Sony doesn't want to lose business because they don't have the option available. I could see publishers not wanting to release games on PS4 if it doesn't have DRM feature.[/QUOTE]

Except that if one has DRM and the other doesn't the one that doesn't will easily outsell the other console. DRM or not, they'd be stupid to not release games on the platform with the larger user base.
 
[quote name='killercane']"We believe over the next five years we can break a 100m unit installed base," Microsoft’s senior VP of interactive entertainment business Yusuf Mehdi told OXM. “That's something we're shooting for, it's not a financial plan as such, it's just rough numbers if you will.

lol. They are so disconnected with their user base it boggles the mind. 40-50% of the country doesnt even have broadband internet access.[/QUOTE]

Nah man, they're talking about 360 and reaching a 100 million with 360. That's not completely unreasonable considering they're already at 75 million and likely planning a price drop soon. Instead the really amusing part of the article is this gem:

“To sell another 25m, half of those will probably come from replacements, but half will come from new buyers.
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#-o :dunce:

So 12.5 million Xbox 360s are gonna fail in the next 5 years, huh?

Well that and the fact that apparently next gen will sell a billion consoles...

"We think you can go broader than a game console, that's our aim, and you can go from 400m to potentially upwards of a billion units. That's how we're thinking of the Xbox opportunity as we go forward."
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So 1 out of every 7 people on the planet will own a next gen console... :rofl:
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Nah man, they're talking about 360 and reaching a 100 million with 360. That's not completely unreasonable considering they're already at 75 million and likely planning a price drop soon. Instead the really amusing part of the article is this gem:



#-o :dunce:

So 12.5 million Xbox 360s are gonna fail in the next 5 years, huh?

Well that and the fact that apparently next gen will sell a billion consoles...



So 1 out of every 7 people on the planet will own a next gen console... :rofl:[/QUOTE]
Good catch. Craziness. Their execs remind me of David Halberstam's The Reckoning. Great book about disconnect with consumers and lumbering dinosaur companies.
 
[quote name='killercane']Good catch. Craziness. Their execs remind me of David Halberstam's The Reckoning. Great book about disconnect with consumers and lumbering dinosaur companies.[/QUOTE]

It occurred to me after I made that post that if they really are planning on selling 400million to a billion consoles next gen, that may have been an actual consideration in their budgeting for the console. "NFL wants $400 million dollars? No problem, we're gonna sell a billion consoles baby, what's $400 million" God help them if they're budgeting for a 400 million to billion selling console...

In other news, Gamestop might not be Microsoft's best friend after this week...
GameStop stock closes week down 19%

19% over the span of a month is a cause for concern, 19% in less than a week is damn near a panic...
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']It occurred to me after I made that post that if they really are planning on selling 400million to a billion consoles next gen, that may have been an actual consideration in their budgeting for the console. "NFL wants $400 million dollars? No problem, we're gonna sell a billion consoles baby, what's $400 million" God help them if they're budgeting for a 400 million to billion selling console...

In other news, Gamestop might not be Microsoft's best friend after this week...
GameStop stock closes week down 19%

19% over the span of a month is a cause for concern, 19% in less than a week is damn near a panic...[/QUOTE]
It is still highest it has been since 2008 at the end of the last new console launch window. If it goes lower it would be a nice buy if you bet on consumers saying hell no to the used game nonsense and ms compromises.
 
How do the columnist from big blog sites feel about all the information circumventing around the xbox one? I know I'm only only one person, but I don't think it wouldn't be a far fetched idea to go protest MS at E3. Maybe some sort of online petition to go around to stop this bs from being allowed to happen.

I've already been swaying against my spending habits on games but this just puts it over the edge. The only used games I really buy are from lowballs and GameFly, occasionally I might buy one from Gamestop but shit storm just opens up a new can of worms.
 
[quote name='Blaster man']What a clusterfuck for them. It doesn't even make fucking sense. If it plays used games then why does it require to be online to authenticate the game?[/QUOTE]

it's to stop piracy
 
I hope everything gets answered during the week of E3. In the end, everybody's decision between which next gen console to buy or whether the next gen is even worth paying for in the first place will be directly correlated with their disposable income. The economy is still slow but where I'm at a big tell tale sign for me is seeing the rush hour commute getting worse and worse. Which only means more people are working. People are dumb, they'll spend whatever increase in their spending power on the latest gadgets so I expect the wave of casual gamers will still jump on these new systems. The cag group here represents a small percent of the gamers. For every ten customers I see buy an MSRP priced game 3 months after release, I see one guy smart enough to use a smart phone and price match the price on Amazon at Best Buy.

Frankly, all of these new games are SLIGHTLY noticeable upgrades over the current gen games available. The upgrade was more obvious between the PS3 and PS2. So far I'm unimpressed. The best bargaining chip that we have on our side is the power of time. Let's see how this plays out. Early adopters always get screwed. The only thing I need to worry about is fighting the urge of having the newest toy on the block the week it comes out. For the price of a new console investment, I can wait. It makes sense to wait it out to see how the new systems are received before making a decision. It's hard to make an informed decision when you don't have all the facts on the table. I've been able to max out my gaming options by joining this site and finding good deals. That won't change.

Most people seem happy with the way things are, so common sense would say just enjoy your current gen offerings for some time. You can still resell your used games as you please. If the next gen systems DRM our asses up the butt and gaming deals go away, then screw it the Steambox system will be the better option.
 
[quote name='spatenfloot']Developers and publishers may add online components to their games which would require connecting to the internet. This could prevent bootlegs from working since online would be part of the game.[/QUOTE]
Becuase that has ever actually worked, for a single player game:roll:.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']It occurred to me after I made that post that if they really are planning on selling 400million to a billion consoles next gen, that may have been an actual consideration in their budgeting for the console. "NFL wants $400 million dollars? No problem, we're gonna sell a billion consoles baby, what's $400 million" God help them if they're budgeting for a 400 million to billion selling console...

In other news, Gamestop might not be Microsoft's best friend after this week...
GameStop stock closes week down 19%

19% over the span of a month is a cause for concern, 19% in less than a week is damn near a panic...[/QUOTE]
After clicking on your link, I found a comment in that article showing that PS4 can be played old school without an internet connection. So we know the PS4 doesn't have the 24 hours online verification check.
 
i think that polygon article shows microsoft don't know what they want to do. if it turns out that thing in polygon article is true i think that's something alot of people can live with. my house and everyplace i would take my xbox would have access to internet so checking it for couple sec's every day or so would be pretty easy.
 
like people said before im really starting to think microsoft had no clue sony was going to do what they did so early. my guess is microsoft planned a typical 360 e3 an announce the system at the end and have a giant big conf in aug or around that time. But seen that sony did one and figured they had to do one before e3.
 
[quote name='itachiitachi']Becuase that has ever actually worked, for a single player game:roll:.[/QUOTE]
This is the situation where the fix only hurts the "good guys" so to speak.
 
[quote name='TimboSliceGB']i think that polygon article shows microsoft don't know what they want to do. if it turns out that thing in polygon article is true i think that's something alot of people can live with. my house and everyplace i would take my xbox would have access to internet so checking it for couple sec's every day or so would be pretty easy.[/QUOTE]
It's not the Internet connectivity issue, it's what they can do with it.
 
[quote name='Donut2922']If the next gen systems DRM our asses up the butt and gaming deals go away, then screw it the Steambox system will be the better option.[/QUOTE]

Which still contains DRM....and you can't resell your games, make used purchases, etc. Am I missing something here??? :drool:

Or are the magical and glorious Steam sales going to save us all from price gouging and piracy?
 
[quote name='TimboSliceGB']if it turns out that thing in polygon article is true i think that's something alot of people can live with. my house and everyplace i would take my xbox would have access to internet so checking it for couple sec's every day or so would be pretty easy.[/QUOTE]
I have internet and plan to have internet the rest of my life, but life is life, and anything can happen from second to second. With that being said, I won't support the industry/system if this is the future. I don't see how anyone finds 'having' to connect to the internet 'acceptable.'

:)
 
[quote name='uncle5555']Which still contains DRM....and you can't resell your games, make used purchases, etc. Am I missing something here??? :drool:

Or are the magical and glorious Steam sales going to save us all from price gouging and piracy?
[/QUOTE]

umm you can sell steam games
 
[quote name='VIDEOGAME IGODI']I have internet and plan to have internet the rest of my life, but life is life, and anything can happen from second to second. With that being said, I won't support the industry/system if this is the future. I don't see how anyone finds 'having' to connect to the internet 'acceptable.'

:)[/QUOTE]

im also a pc gamer where it's been going on for years so people already see it as acceptable in this day and age.
 
i really do understand why people on't want to accept a close to always online system. But with that said people need to understan the type of world we live in now. if polygon article is true it shows you pretty much cna blame this on piracy and idiots thnk it's cool to jtag your 360 so you can get games for free. i have friends that did that and i told them it's not right and they will one day destory the game industy an seems like that is going to happen.
 
I resell almost all my games on eBay so yes, I will not be supporting this device. My favorite place to buy video games is yard sales and the clearance rack. Moreover I do not want to support consumer unfriendly devices period regardless of what that device is. It's bad enough people caught onto DLC now we have games being released that are only half a game the other half of the game you have to purchase as a sometimes very expensive extra. Even Nintendo had day 1 DLC for fire emblem. The difference here is that most DLC is completely optional, this is forced, if I want to play a new game now I have to succumb to MS's demands. The more consumer unfriendly devices out there the worse it will be for consumer in the long run. If the sheep buy into such a scheme like MS is cooking up now who knows what will happen in the future, our money certainly won't go as far that is for sure and we will have to pay out of the nose for any entertainment option. At some point its time to say enough is enough and no more! I already pay out of the nose for things like groceries because I need food to you know, live,which seem to go up in price every single day even if I buy everything I can with coupons and don't even get me started on the cost of prescription drugs in this country which is absolutely criminal what they charge for things that are necessity for everyday life. The last thing I need is to be charged out of the nose for entertainment which is the one tiny little bright spot in my life. The only good thing is that video games are not a necessity for life so I can easily quit and play cheap or free mobile games or just not play at all. But that will not happen as I have a backlog of games that will easily last me the rest of my life.
 
[quote name='SaraAB']I resell almost all my games on eBay so yes, I will not be supporting this device. My favorite place to buy video games is yard sales and the clearance rack. Moreover I do not want to support consumer unfriendly devices period regardless of what that device is. It's bad enough people caught onto DLC now we have games being released that are only half a game the other half of the game you have to purchase as a sometimes very expensive extra. Even Nintendo had day 1 DLC for fire emblem. The difference here is that most DLC is completely optional, this is forced, if I want to play a new game now I have to succumb to MS's demands. The more consumer unfriendly devices out there the worse it will be for consumer in the long run. If the sheep buy into such a scheme like MS is cooking up now who knows what will happen in the future, our money certainly won't go as far that is for sure and we will have to pay out of the nose for any entertainment option. At some point its time to say enough is enough and no more! I already pay out of the nose for things like groceries because I need food to you know, live,which seem to go up in price every single day even if I buy everything I can with coupons and don't even get me started on the cost of prescription drugs in this country which is absolutely criminal what they charge for things that are necessity for everyday life. The last thing I need is to be charged out of the nose for entertainment which is the one tiny little bright spot in my life. The only good thing is that video games are not a necessity for life so I can easily quit and play cheap or free mobile games or just not play at all. But that will not happen as I have a backlog of games that will easily last me the rest of my life.[/QUOTE]

if the polygram article is really how it's going to work selling game on craigslist and ebay would still work. the code would be on disc and it would stay activated on your system till the person that you sold it to installed it onto his system then it would deactivate on your system
 
[quote name='TimboSliceGB']umm you can sell steam games[/QUOTE]

How? How can I sell the steam games that are in my library. I would actually like to get rid of a lot of them, since I know I will never play em again.
 
[quote name='confoosious']Solution: don't lose your discs. Same as before.

There's a lot to complain about regarding the x1 but to complain that the lack of need to have the disc in the system makes it easier for you to lose your disc or have it stolen and you not notice it? Seriously. That's a complaint? Ridiculous.[/QUOTE]

The likelihood of this actually happening isn't the issue, it's that MS' DRM would even make it possible. If MS makes the discs resell-able like they say, it would be a brand new problem never encountered before.
 
[quote name='nightmare452']How? How can I sell the steam games that are in my library. I would actually like to get rid of a lot of them, since I know I will never play em again.[/QUOTE]

well you can trade with friends which is what i was trying to say.
 
[quote name='brandtron8000']The likelihood of this actually happening isn't the issue, it's that MS' DRM would even make it possible. If MS makes the discs resell-able like they say, it would be a brand new problem never encountered before.[/QUOTE]

Ridiculous.
 
[quote name='confoosious']Ridiculous.[/QUOTE]

I agree it wouldn't be much of a problem if MS only allowed you to trade in your disc at a retail location, the disc would be physically missing just like it would be now. If MS allowed users to sell or trade games themselves online like they have alluded to, it would be possible for your game to be sold or traded without ever leaving your possession, and if hackers ever figure out your serialz?

Solution: Don't get hacked.
 
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